I think alot of people say CYA, but maybe she thought everyone wouldn't know what that meant so she spelled it out. [/quote]
And this is what I dislike about Carolyn. She thinks everybody around is such a fool that she needs to spell things out for them. But if it absolutely had to be spelled out for those of us who don't know what CYA is, she could've interpreted CYA as let's say,
cover your behind, which would not contradict the image of Carolyn she is trying so hard to go for: a prudish lady who gets indignant with improper language or any, even the slightest degree of deviation from what she thinks is proper.
I agree with DashRashi, who said:
How come Carolyn is allowed to say "ass" in a business setting and Clay isn't?[/quote] upthread. Nobody should be allowed to say that in a business setting, especially on national TV, not even Carolyn. And that gold dress with her almost exposed body parts, ... in the boardroom?... She could've, but chose not to cover herself... hmm... something that smells funny must be cooking there....
bkozz
Nov 6, 2005 @ 10:46 pm
She should have put a suit jacket or cardigan on. If one of the contestants showed up with that sort of improper boardroom attire on I am sure she would have some negative comment for them.
highlander
Nov 6, 2005 @ 11:16 pm
And this is what I dislike about Carolyn. She thinks everybody around is such a fool that she needs to spell things out for them. But if it absolutely had to be spelled out for those of us who don't know what CYA is, she could've interpreted CYA as let's say, cover your behind, which would not contradict the image of Carolyn she is trying so hard to go for: a prudish lady who gets indignant with improper language or any, even the slightest degree of deviation from what she thinks is proper. [/quote]
Carolyn said "Cover Your Ass"-she did Not say "one day my husband came to my office and I looked at his ass and told my assistant how much I liked his ass and hoped that he would slap my ass." That's the difference between Clay and Carolyn. Clay was crude to a bunch of strangers who came to his class to learn something relevant. You can bet that when Carolyn is giving a business presentation she does not even use the word "ass."
JeffersonAero
Nov 7, 2005 @ 1:02 am
I thought Carolyn looked gorgeous and loved the dress! As I remember, she was on her way to a dinner for/at the Trump National Golf Club and made a cute/funny remark about TD showing up last week in his tuxedo for dinner at the Met and her showing up in evening dress for this week. Maybe George will wear a pink tux next week!
After Adam, Clay and Markus came into the BR for the firing, didn't Carolyn appear in a satiny brown top then? Maybe after that she did choose to cover up somewhat but made her point first. I'm not sure what the point is, but...ah...there you go. She really is a lovely woman and if her hair was trimmed or she had her bob back, it'd just be perfect.
candoatt
Nov 7, 2005 @ 1:15 am
You can bet that when Carolyn is giving a business presentation she does not even use the word "ass."[/quote]
I, certainly, hope so.
I am not comparing Clay to Carolyn.
Clay is rude, unprofessional, and offensive. But, unlike Carolyn, he does not pretend to be a king of manners.
Carolyn, on the other hand, gets this cold indignation and contempt in her eyes whenever she sees or hears something she thinks improper that is done and/or said by contestants. I guess, I simply did not expect the word 'ass' coming from Carolyn on national TV.
canuck31003
Nov 7, 2005 @ 12:19 pm
unlike Carolyn, he does not pretend to be a king of manners.
Carolyn, on the other hand, gets this cold indignation and contempt in her eyes whenever she sees or hears something she thinks improper that is done and/or said by contestants.[/quote]
IMO, I don't see Carolyn pretending to be anything. My impression is that it's not a matter of Carolyn being a 'king/queen' of manners, but a reaction to what she views as unprofessional behaviour. What may be appropriate/acceptable in one setting can be unprofessional in another.
Quiddler
Nov 8, 2005 @ 9:29 am
Anyone else find it ironic that folks are calling out Carolyn for using the word "ass" in the boardroom, and that this thread is called "Carolyn: Ass-Kicker Extraordinaire"? Anyone? Bueller? Just me? ok...
I agree with your interpretation, highlander. I didn't find Carolyn's use of the word "ass" inappropriate in that particular context. And Clay could have probably gotten away with it ... if he hadn't used it so damned much. Of all the ways one can refer to the human posterior, "ass" is probably the crudest. A couple of times probably would have been ok, but he just couldn't stop himself.
Gotta give some props to the editors, though, as they seemed to catch (and use) every. single. instance. of Clay speaking the word "ass". And then putting them all together into one great big assy highlight reel. Classic. <heh>
shortytoo
Nov 8, 2005 @ 11:56 am
Maybe George will wear a pink tux next week[/quote]
No he's going to wear a bathing suit, and say, "Please excuse me, but I'm headed to a pool party right after this meeting"
pomme de terre
Nov 8, 2005 @ 12:28 pm
You can bet that when Carolyn is giving a business presentation she does not even use the word "ass."[/quote]
I agree that there's a difference in using a rather mild slang term once, among colleagues, than using it repeatedly, in a salacious context, in front of clients. If you want to argue that Carolyn was a trifle crude, I could see that, but I don't think it's the same as being as inappropriate and professionally tone-deaf like Clay was in the presentation. I'd also give her a little more leeway because she was expressing frustration, whereas he was supposed to be giving prepared (or at least outlined) remarks.
Blondie
Nov 8, 2005 @ 1:05 pm
Weighing in on the "ass" controversy: I also agree with those who think the Clay/Carolyn usage is "apples/oranges". Carolyn was using a very well understood euphemism in the corporate world AND she was using it in a very specific setting with people who understood (and agreed with her!) on the use of the phrase to that person. Clay was making comments that were inappropriate and very personal in a seminar setting with strangers of all ages and sensibilities who could have been very uncomfortable listening to him talk about "looking at & slapping asses" of co-workers. Totally INappropriate!!, whether talking about his being gay or not. Even tho the topic was about sexual issues, the audience should not have been subjected to the WAY he discussed the topic.
I have done presentations about this subject and it can be done professionally and still in a fun and comfortable way with all ages. Clay was mostly wrong because he didn't prepare well for what he was going to say and he didn't consider his seminar demographic!! Very sloppy!
Regarding Carolyn's outfit. Sorry, but IMHO it was classy, not trashy, and on a par (Hee! catch the golf reference?) with the tux DT has worn several times when heading out for a formal affair right after the BR. She shouldn't be judged differently when the attire is appropriately explained....just like DT's has been in the past.
Jacob
Nov 8, 2005 @ 1:26 pm
Please drop the ass "controversy" altogether -- it was a dumb, offhand comparison made almost a week ago and serves no purpose other than to promote argument for its own sake. No one is seriously comparing the two usages.
candoatt
Nov 9, 2005 @ 12:24 am
No he's going to wear a bathing suit, and say, "Please excuse me, but I'm headed to a pool party right after this meeting" [/quote]
LOL!
As they say, there is always some truth in every joke. Good point, shortytoo !
Tegan Jovanka
Nov 11, 2005 @ 2:31 am
I don't think Carolyn wanted Marshawn to go. After the firings she said Brian deserved to go.
ghettofabman
Nov 11, 2005 @ 3:53 am
Carolyn did look a bit uneasy after tonight's double firing. I agree with you, Tegan about Carolyn not wanting Marshawn to go tonight. Bill, on the other hand, sings a different song.
BubbaGum
Nov 11, 2005 @ 10:15 am
Carolyn did seem disappointed over the Marshawn firing, which is weird because she always gives the female candidates the most scrutiny...
musichic2000
Nov 11, 2005 @ 10:17 am
...
highlander
Nov 11, 2005 @ 10:26 am
I saw it a different way. First, I saw Carolyn bring up the presentation knowing she was targeting Marshawn but Trump took over. Then Carolyn went back to questioning Marshawn (maybe from the extra footage) and to me it was clear Carolyn had a disgusted look on her face when Carolyn saw Marshawn's real strategy of FUTR and CYA. She let Bill help Marshawn dig her own grave. After all, Trump gets his info from Bill, George and Carolyn. The execs at Lucasfilm would not have known that Marshawn was supposed to present.
Jacob
Nov 11, 2005 @ 1:15 pm
highlander, you make several excellent points. I'll rewatch with that perspective -- after all, it's a valid point that Rebecca's presentation did not contribute to the loss, so Marshawn's FUTR was only damaging in the Boardroom. Hadn't thought about that.
sproogle
Nov 12, 2005 @ 10:05 am
The execs at Lucasfilm would not have known that Marshawn was supposed to present. [/quote]
Very true; good point. I think Carolyn is usually interested (and this is coming from a relatively new viewer) in push comes to shove, who made the team lose the task. Donald however, usually will fire somebody that isn't contributing to the whole team dynamic and is causing problems (like in the 'Zathura' episode where Kristi was fired instead of Jennifer), unless the person who made them lose the task really effed up. It WAS Brian's fault for losing the task because he got them to the meeting late, thus not letting them get any good information from the executives. Yes, Marshawn was causing some last-minute problems with backing out from the speech, but that wasn't evident to the executives that judged them. I think that Carolyn wanted to give Marshawn another chance.
charleyhorse
Nov 18, 2005 @ 5:37 pm
Anyone notice how skinny Carolyn's legs looked at the beginning of last night's show (standing with Trump, George and Miss Universe)? They looked like toothpicks!
zenner
Nov 18, 2005 @ 8:51 pm
Definitely noticed that, plus the death's head glaring smile.
tres francaise
Nov 19, 2005 @ 12:13 am
Anyone notice how skinny Carolyn's legs looked at the beginning of last night's show (standing with Trump, George and Miss Universe)? They looked like toothpicks![/quote]
Girlfriend needs to lengthen that skirt a few inches; she didn't look like a top executive in that scene.
RainIsBeautiful
Nov 19, 2005 @ 8:47 am
Ah, but she looked like someone The Donald would want to have around, didn't she? ;)
growsonwalls
Nov 19, 2005 @ 7:18 pm
I loved her ponytail in the boardroom. She all of a sudden looked so cute I wanted to pat her on the head.
londonfroglet
Nov 20, 2005 @ 10:30 pm
I loved her ponytail in the boardroom. She all of a sudden looked so cute I wanted to pat her on the head. [/quote]
I know! I've not been feeling her hair this season, but it looks adorable pulled back. She needs to go with that look more often. For some reason, I found the look on her face while Donald was introducing Miss Universe hilarious. It was like that scene in A League of Their Own where Tom Hanks is smiling and talking through his teeth while waving his hat.
ETA: This is exactly what I'm talking about, with thanks to Jacob's recap:
Carolyn smiles at her like maybe she's retarded or on the verge of a seizure, and Miss Universe is wearing a necklace made of wooden beads as big as croquet balls. After being introduced, Carolyn smiles awesomely in a way which manages to say everything you're thinking, starting with: "Look out, Melania."[/quote]
welcomematt
Nov 25, 2005 @ 12:44 pm
I now have finally discovered where the candidates get all their English-mangling abilities from. Carolyn and Donald! Carolyn said, "If I was Shania, I'd be embarrrassed..." instead of "If I were Shania..." And Donald, in the clip show when they were talking about Markus not receiving an exemption because not everyone voted him one, said, "Markus didn't get a majority." Which, although I might be wrong, is incorrect, because Markus did receive a majority vote. He didn't receive a unanimous vote. Totally different word, Donald!
tjames
Nov 25, 2005 @ 2:52 pm
Heh. Carolyn may hate Felisha, but she can at least thank her for her Boardroom "niativity" that outdid any blunder Carolyn made.
As for The Donald - Excel voted 6-2 to not give Markus the exemption, so this is one of those rare instances where The Hair was correct.
Jaded Cat
Nov 26, 2005 @ 7:05 pm
Markus didn't get a majority." Which, although I might be wrong, is incorrect, because Markus did receive a majority vote. He didn't receive a unanimous vote. Totally different word, Donald![/quote]
Only 2 candidates voted for an exemption for Markus. 2 was not a majority of the men in boardroom at that time.
tjmor
Nov 26, 2005 @ 8:15 pm
I think it's all the way around: the majority voted against his exemption.
Jacob
Nov 26, 2005 @ 8:30 pm
Move on.
Blondie
Dec 1, 2005 @ 1:57 pm
Back to Carolyn. Since the show started, I've been very flattered that people say I look like her. But lately, her face has been looking positively gaunt and the hair needs a shaping trim STAT. I love you, Carolyn! But, honey, eat something!
growsonwalls
Dec 2, 2005 @ 12:19 pm
I think last night's show revealed a lot about Carolyn. Last week she was pretty harsh and blunt about Felisha, telling her she was the weakest link. But in the BR this week, Carolyn noticeably cringed when Alla browbeat and bullied Felisha to the point of tears. Carolyn then went after Alla. I think Carolyn has her "game-face" on most of the time on the show, but she also has a compassionate, nurturing side, and she did not enjoy seeing Felisha so down, even though it was clear Felisha was not Apprentice material.
I think Carolyn is the type of boss who is pretty tough and demanding, but also has a soft side. If you are having a terrible day, I think you could go to Carolyn and she would listen and understand. That's what I call a good manager. My boss is sort of like that. He can be REALLY demanding -- when he wants something done, I pretty much know that he wants it done on time, and he wants it done well. But he also treats me with respect and kindness and sympathy when I need it. Therefore, I *want* to do a good job for him, and make his deadlines.
Quiddler
Dec 2, 2005 @ 9:27 pm
growsonwalls, watch the Exclusive! Video! over on Yahoo - Carolyn came across as much less of a harpy and much more of a mentor in her feedback; it just seemed a bit softer and more tactful than it was edited last night. And, before Alla decided to go all Bobby Jon in the boardroom, both Carolyn and Bill were telling F'ing A (aka F&A) what went wrong in such a way that it seemed they were honestly trying to help F'ing A learn from their mistakes.
Then again, this is IMHO. YMMV. M.O.U.S.E. <heh>
Jaded Cat
Dec 3, 2005 @ 1:08 am
My boss is sort of like that. He can be REALLY demanding -- when he wants something done, I pretty much know that he wants it done on time, and he wants it done well. But he also treats me with respect and kindness and sympathy when I need it. Therefore, I *want* to do a good job for him, and make his deadlines. [/quote]
I've had a boss like that, unfortunately only once. It rocked for the time I got to work for him.
I'd still work for Carolyn anytime.
blocked writer
Dec 3, 2005 @ 3:57 am
I think last night's show revealed a lot about Carolyn. Last week she was pretty harsh and blunt about Felisha, telling her she was the weakest link. But in the BR this week, Carolyn noticeably cringed when Alla browbeat and bullied Felisha to the point of tears. Carolyn then went after Alla. I think Carolyn has her "game-face" on most of the time on the show, but she also has a compassionate, nurturing side, and she did not enjoy seeing Felisha so down, even though it was clear Felisha was not Apprentice material. [/quote]
I like Carolyn's style. She is blunt, and doesn't suffer fools gladly, but I really do think she does have a compassionate side. She doesn't try to go overboard for the kill, she just says what she thinks.
Over the seasons people have speculated that Carolyn is threatened by or jealous of certain contestants, but I really don't think that's the case. Carolyn's job seems to be quite secure, she's got a great balance between family and work, so I doubt that she needs to feel any envy of any of these contestants.
growsonwalls
Dec 5, 2005 @ 4:47 pm
I saw the extra boardroom footage, and it's fascinating at how soft *Trump* becomes when Felisha cries. Usually Trump is always very "Women in business don't cry, my dear" but last night he was like "Everyone needs a Kleenex." And they had a shot of Carolyn, and Carolyn had a sort of "chin up, Felisha" smile. In the regular show it seemed as if Carolyn was smiling at Felisha's tears, but in the extra boardroom footage this clearly was not the case. Carolyn didn't need a Kleenex, but she clearly didn't enjoy seeing Felisha cry.
Nutjob
Dec 5, 2005 @ 7:05 pm
I thought the same thing. To me, it looked like Carolyn really likes Felisha as a person, just not as a candidate, and was really uncomfortable seeing her get beaten up by the AllaMonster.
Scherzo
Dec 16, 2005 @ 8:50 am
For some reason, I'd really like to see what Carolyn has to say about "Randalgate."
JCVinEden
Dec 16, 2005 @ 10:15 am
My love for Carolyn shot through stratosphere when she fist-bomped with Robin at the finale -- as opposed to, say, throwing her coat at Robin (cough*DT*cough). Carolyn is really is a normal, fun human being. Trump could take some pointers from her.
Hours Left
Dec 16, 2005 @ 7:12 pm
I can't believe I missed Carolyn & Robin's fist bump.
I would love to see a video or screencap of that, it's just so random & awesome.
lauriecake
Dec 16, 2005 @ 7:40 pm
My love for Carolyn shot through stratosphere when she fist-bomped with Robin at the finale [/quote]
I thought that was incredibly cute. I wish we could see more moments like it.
Bobbalouie78
Dec 17, 2005 @ 3:00 am
It was a most enjoyable fist bomp. She and George should get their own special episodes for the season. You get the clip show... and you get a Carolyn and George showcase. or five. or a whole season.
druish princess
Dec 30, 2005 @ 9:56 pm
Felicia may be the only female candidate she has every liked.
anonymiss
Jan 9, 2006 @ 9:45 am
I don't know if that's true. I thought she was just feeling bad/reacting to the guilt of knowing that her unnecessary "You two are the weakest" comment was what prompted Felisha's breakdown and nutty task behaviour.
India
Jan 9, 2006 @ 1:52 pm
I'm currently reading Carolyn's book, Carolyn 101, and it's really very good. A nice piece for women in business; well, for anyone in business, really, but particularly for women! I started it the other day and am nearly done - she's quite a woman! She's been working non-stop since she was a kid, and has alot of good advice. I just love her!
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