Not to say that I feel Carolyn is dispassionate or cold, because I don't think she is. I believe she's highly competent and a grown-up and knows how to separate business from that which is personal. I could work for someone like Carolyn very happily, and I generally hate having a boss, so that's saying something.[/quote]
I'd work for her, too. After some of the crappy bosses I'v had and observed, I think Carolyn would be a welcome change. I imagine that if you were able to speak to her employees, you'd get some good reports.
I agree that she's able to separate business from personal, and that's a plus in my mind. Given the choice between a no-nonsense boss, and an emotional one prone to rages or tantrums, or even one of those too-nice people who can never make a decision or get things done, I'd take the no-nonsense one everytime.
Also, I do think there's a warmer side to Carolyn. When she cracked up watching the guys in TA2 buying fabric, and when she comforted Verna during her walkabout in TA3, she showed that warmer side. I also saw her on one of the TV newsmagazines, and when they showed her with her husband and children, she was seemed so loving towards them.
In TA2 or TA3, I started to feel that she was becoming a bit of a yes woman, and it disappointed me. But after thinking it over, I realize that Trump often put both Carolyn and George in a difficult position by saying things like, "I had no choice." They couldn't very well contradict him on national TV, even though I'm sure they sometimes disagreed with him. When Stacie J. was fired, I got the impression that Carolyn didn't really approve.
She certainly speaks her mind in the boardroom, and I do think Trump takes her opinion into consideration.
Also, she has a career that many would love to have. She's found a niche where she has a well-paying job, and has time for her family. One of the things that impressed Trump was that she pitched in and flipped hamburgers on a day when a cook called in sick. They had a golf tournament, and the food had to be cooked. Trump said he was first surprised to see her, then impressed. She was obviously willing to do what was necessary in a pinch, and if her experience as a waitress helped her, good for her.
Toral probably wouldn't cook if the President and some foreign dignitaries were coming, no matter how short-handed they were, because she'd consider it beneath her. Toral would have benefited from being a waitress for a summer between college semesters, and she could have learned a thing or two from Carolyn.
smokes7
Oct 17, 2005 @ 8:29 pm
There are seven female CEOs out of all of the Fortune 500 companies.
The world needs more publicity on extraordinary business women so women can hope for more than to work for someone who runs two golf courses.
blocked writer
Oct 17, 2005 @ 8:42 pm
The world needs more publicity on extraordinary business women so women can hope for more than to work for someone who runs two golf courses. [/quote]
Many women do hope for more, and do more. But not everyone strives to be a mover and shaker in big business. Some people want more than success in business.
For others who want to become tycoons, that's great. Carolyn is succesful, but certainly not a CEO, and IMO she doesn't need to be. There are many female entrepreneurs who have started their own businesses, and although those business are small, they are happy with what they have achieved. Others work in lower-level jobs that they like, and are happy. Some want to stay home and raise families. Still others won't be satified until they become multi-millionaires, and if they have the drive and talent to do that, good for them. But that life wouldn't make every woman happy, nor should it.
Carolyn has achieved a level of success that allows her a lot of choices in life, and some autonomy. I admire her for that. Despite not being a CEO, I still think she sets a good example for how to conduct oneself in a businesslike manner. YMMV.
goobaletta
Oct 17, 2005 @ 8:45 pm
[Snip.]
Lisetta
Oct 17, 2005 @ 8:46 pm
Also, I do think there's a warmer side to Carolyn. When she cracked up watching the guys in TA2 buying fabric, and when she comforted Verna during her walkabout in TA3, she showed that warmer side. I also saw her on one of the TV newsmagazines, and when they showed her with her husband and children, she was seemed so loving towards them.[/quote]
For a long time I wasn't too thrilled with Carolyn because I thought she was much harder on the female candidates than the men.
But I changed my mind when she offered to mentor Kendra over the summer. I think she just hadn't seen any female candidates that had impressed her before Kendra--which, come to think of it, is quite understandable.
She didn't have to give time and effort to do it (I'm sure, given his sniping at Kendra, Trump couldn't have cared less about it), so the fact that she did, makes me think she's probably a pretty nice person, as well as being an organized and fair boss, albeit one with high expectations.
BuonGiorno
Oct 17, 2005 @ 9:43 pm
There are seven female CEOs out of all of the Fortune 500 companies. [/quote]
Who are they?
Rabrab
Oct 17, 2005 @ 10:55 pm
greeneyed fem:
Sep 18, 2005 :
I just wondered if people who watch the show regularly had ever observed Carolyn wearing casual clothes when "on the job." I've only ever seen her in professional attire.[/quote]
Nobody really answered this one, so I'll take a stab at it, even though it was asked a while back.
Most of the time, she was in business suits with a skirt. During season 1 she did wear a tailored pantsuit a couple of times (the Atlantic City task comes to mind, and I believe that she was wearing a pantsuit while observing Bill's final project. But if you mean khakis and a polo shirt, or an unmatched pants and jacket? No, she never went that casual. Everything she wore was tailored and sleek. Some were verging on severe, and a couple teetered on the edge of dowdy.
I do remember that during Season 1, some posters opined that she was a walking ad for Talbots --country-clubby, nothing even approaching edgy, everything very quiet and classic. Which, considering that she deals with the country-club type a lot in managing the golf clubs, was quite appropriate. But really casual? No.
smokes7
Oct 18, 2005 @ 1:57 am
There are seven female CEOs out of all of the Fortune 500 companies.
Who are they?[/quote]
CEOs of Lucent, Xerox, Avon, Rite Aid, Mirant, Pathmark, Golden West Financial
Carly Fiorina of HP until earlier this year of course
Ebay CEO is also a woman (Ebay is not a Fortune 500)
Martha Stewart Omnimedia is interesting, because they say that men have a warrior leadership style and women have a nurturing one, I think she's both
For some misc. stats, see Catalyst, a nonprofit organization
Jacob
Oct 18, 2005 @ 6:28 am
Topic please.
lawm
Oct 21, 2005 @ 9:05 am
The November issue of Working Mother magazine has Carolyn as their cover story. The article is pretty good, and there are two cute pictures of her with her kids.
The
online version seems to be behind the print edition, but Carolyn's article will probably be up in a few weeks.
LurkerNoMore
Oct 21, 2005 @ 3:14 pm
One thing that makes Caroline relatable to me is her hair. Presumably she can get it done professionally; however, she seems to have bad hair days on some of the Apprentice episodes.
Tegan Jovanka
Oct 24, 2005 @ 4:03 am
Kristi really likes Carolyn. After she got fired she was in the taxi, and she had nothing but good things to say about Carolyn. I wonder if that's one of the reasons Carolyn wanted her to stay instead of Jen.
Thena
Oct 26, 2005 @ 6:30 pm
With Jacob's new recap of the Kristi firing episode, I wonder about what he and Sars questioned about Carolyn's venement dislike of Jenthura. It's true that in a lot of times, the editing does us no favours about who said what and which of the Apprenti gets along with the Vice Roys. I wonder about Carolyn's relationship with them. I can see how Kristi would like Carolyn. Kristi calls herself a straight shooter and tough business woman, and Carolyn seems to be the same type. I'm still wondering about what Jenthura did to piss Carolyn off like that. Maybe Carolyn does like Kristi more. Who knows?
I will say that Carolyn has been hard on a lot of these female Apprenti, and I'm somewhat glad of it. A lot of them are nowhere near her professionalism. In many cases, her disgusted faces and expressions reflect my own when I watch the show's more ridiculous contestants. I have also seen her on a talk show wherein I saw clips of her hugging her kids when they visited her at work. It was incredibly sweet.
Dispatcherbert
Oct 26, 2005 @ 9:36 pm
I'm still wondering about what Jenthura did to piss Carolyn off like that.[/quote]
This is just my take (and I may be way off base but here goes).
I think deep down that Carolyn is disgusted with Trump in situations like this. Unfortunately, she's not going to bite the hand that feeds her so Jenthura is the next logical target. Girlfriend is toast. It seems to me that Trump kept Jenthura around to see another week so that he could have eye candy. Also, when my boss asks my opinion (which, yes, it's just an opinion and not hard and fast) about something and then proceeds to completely blow it off, it pisses me off. And this isn't the first time Trump's done this to Carolyn, either.
I don't know. Just my $.02.
Edited for clarity of a point.
canuck31003
Oct 27, 2005 @ 2:43 pm
When Carolyn went after Jenthura in the board room, I didn't think it was that unusual or personal in nature. My take was that Carolyn just thought Jenthura had done a terrible job. Perhaps Carolyn thought Jenthura's weepiness (it looked to me as if she was close to crying at points) and poor presentation showed she was eminently unsuited for the job.
Kendra's tears were okay, IMO, because they were tears of joy/happiness after a successful task, while Jenthura's near-tears were more of "[sob]woe is me, I might get fired and everyone is criticizing me, too much pressure[/sob]".
I also admired Carolyn when she didn't respond to Trump's decision to fire Kristi--she didn't kiss Trump's posterior like Bill did.
tiggeril
Oct 27, 2005 @ 9:59 pm
I wish we'd seen more of Carolyn In Charge tonight. Maybe next season.
Mobius
Oct 27, 2005 @ 10:34 pm
Nah...Carolyn in Charge is a gimmick, just like Don't!Annoy!Carolyn! (or whatever it was) was a gimmick. I can't see TD giving up the limelight that much.
(Clarification: "Nah" means "nah---I doubt they will" not "nah---they shouldn't." I'm with you tiggeril : I want more Carolyn. And how sweet if she would have been the one to fire all four and inform TD afterwards)
Cherry Wire
Oct 28, 2005 @ 12:23 am
As always, this may be editing, but Carolyn seems kind of like a heat-seeking guided missile that instantly finds any mistakes made by a team. Right away, she was all over Capital Edge for their first error, choosing "golf" as their showcase sport.
I could see her as one of those consultants they bring into companies to reduce headcount.
growsonwalls
Oct 28, 2005 @ 7:33 am
My favorite Carolyn line tonight was when Josh was blaming his entire team for failing. "Josh? You failed too." Hee, priceless.
canuck31003
Oct 28, 2005 @ 8:11 am
As much as I like Carolyn and was glad she had more screen time, when she was reorganizing teams and assigning the task it felt a little odd to me hearing Carolyn speak for longer than a sentence or two.
ghettofabman
Oct 28, 2005 @ 8:44 am
As much as I like Carolyn, I thought that she came off kinda snotty and condescending when she was talking to(/about) Markus(/Capital Edge) about picking golf as Capital Edge's sports focus.
tiggeril
Oct 28, 2005 @ 8:56 am
Nah...Carolyn in Charge is a gimmick, just like Don't!Annoy!Carolyn! (or whatever it was) was a gimmick. I can't see TD giving up the limelight that much.
(Clarification: "Nah" means "nah---I doubt they will" not "nah---they shouldn't." I'm with you tiggeril : I want more Carolyn. And how sweet if she would have been the one to fire all four and inform TD afterwards)[/quote]
Yeah, I know. Let a girl dream, though. :)
Ahhhh, Carolyn finally losing it in the Boardroom and spin-kicking Donald in the head.... [drifts off]
Cat Whisperer
Oct 28, 2005 @ 12:04 pm
Carolyn has been around Trump for too long she is copying his cadence of speech. The robotic delivery, odd inflections, and frequent pauses were all there. Do they write the script that way? Do they have an Elaine Benes on staff, inserting commas instead of exclamation points? Disappointed to see her act like a Trumpbot.
Jaundiced Eye
Oct 28, 2005 @ 5:06 pm
Well, I don't even know what to make of Carolyn any more. I used to like her well enough, and at times I still do. But sometimes, like last week when she was ALL in Jenthura's face, she just seems like a bitch -- or maybe she tries too hard to look like a "killer" in front of Trumpy. Sometimes she seems so boring, I could fall asleep watching her. I don't feel that I know one way or the other who the REAL Caroline is -- and that kinda bugs. She just might be a Trumpbot at that!
anonymiss
Oct 30, 2005 @ 7:03 pm
As much as I like Carolyn, I thought that she came off kinda snotty and condescending when she was talking to(/about) Markus(/Capital Edge) about picking golf as Capital Edge's sports focus.[/quote]
I totally agree, ghettofabman. That's the reason I don't like Carolyn much personally (or her persona anyway), but I love watching her in spite of that. For that particular exchange with Marcus, there was a part afterwards where they cut out the audio, and we could see she was laughing with him, not at him.
She kicked ass in that chair and didn't seem nervous at all. I would love to watch her really take over for Trump more often.
Blondie
Oct 31, 2005 @ 12:49 pm
ITA with those who feel that we aren't seeing much of the behaviour that makes Carolyn go after a contestant. I also think that she is more focused on the qualities any person (male or female) needs to really be a viable Trump exec instead of who to keep for ratings on the show.
Trumpy has his own agenda which is a combo of business qualities, cuteness factor, and TV ratings grabber for each candidate. This is why I think Carolyn and George don't argue when he goes against all the logic during the "Fickle Finger of Firing" portion. They have come to be resigned to the fact that it is not just a business decision for him and no matter what they "counsel", he's gonna do his own thing.
I love Carolyn and really admire her for excelling at her full-time job (X 3!)....running the multiple golf clubs/housing developments, TV star, AND loving wife & mom!!
Odyssea
Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:03 pm
Man, Carolyn spanked Markus but good in the boardroom tonight. I really feel that her role on the show is to say what we're all shouting at the screen.
TheWildBoo
Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:05 pm
Carolyn spanked Markus but good in the boardroom tonight. I really feel that her role on the show is to say what we're all shouting at the screen.[/quote]
Ditto. She got that look in her eye like she smelled blood and I said, "She's on to him!"
Magsi2
Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:06 pm
I was glad to see Carolyn call Markus out on covering his ass. That was good!....She looked nice in the gold dress, but it was funny that the one topic was sex in the workplace and then they show her dressed like that!
My Way
Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:07 pm
Man, Carolyn spanked Markus but good in the boardroom tonight. I really feel that her role on the show is to say what we're all shouting at the screen. [/quote]
She did and I loved it! The only problem was that Adam felt the need to interrupt (bad form, but maybe it showed he could) in the middle of Carolyn's big rant. Which I loved.
Jer2002
Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:08 pm
Eh, what a BITCH. If she's really as good as she thinks she is she would've called Markus out forever ago. She can shove it.
DashRashi
Nov 3, 2005 @ 10:12 pm
How come Carolyn is allowed to say "ass" in a business setting and Clay isn't?
RainIsBeautiful
Nov 4, 2005 @ 10:56 pm
Because Carolyn isn't gay? *sigh* This world we live in...
*waves at Jer* :)
UncleJemima
Nov 4, 2005 @ 11:14 pm
Not sure how serious DashRashi was being in asking, but it seems to me that "Cover your ass" and "Slap my ass!" have very different meanings and levels of appropriateness in a business setting.
Caroline has really looked good in the last few episodes.
Scherzo
Nov 5, 2005 @ 10:31 am
(That gold dress was breathtaking, wasn't it?)
How come Carolyn is allowed to say "ass" in a business setting[/quote]
Wasn't she quoting someone?
Anyway, "cover your(his/her/my) ass" is one of those phrases that, once the concept has sprung to mind, any attempt to use a euphemism for ass will seem childish or prudish --- guess you might as well go ahead and say "ass."
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