musichic2000
May 20, 2005 @ 9:30 am
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welcomematt
May 20, 2005 @ 10:02 am
And also, he didn't even ask Bill or Kelly who they would rather have with them, which seems to me to mean that he already knew he was going to palm Kendra or Tana off on one of his deputies. Granted, in this case, the deputies have a great deal more to offer than the Number One man, but personally I'd be ticked if I made the sacrifice to be on this show, and I ended up being Carolyn's apprentice. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with Carolyn; it's just the principle of the thing.
Trump seemed dismissive of the whole show last night. I think the combination of the two, his general dismissiveness, and now reports that Kendra will be mentored by Carolyn, or might be, just underline for me Trump's unwillingness to be engaged here.
msiowa
May 20, 2005 @ 10:17 am
Granted, in this case, the deputies have a great deal more to offer than the Number One man, but personally I'd be ticked if I made the sacrifice to be on this show, and I ended up being Carolyn's apprentice. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with Carolyn; it's just the principle of the thing.
I don't think Trump mentored Bill - he was shipped off to Chicago and works under some construction guy there. Kelly, I don't know who he works directly with.
Both seem to have access to Trump - mostly to fluff Trump's ego (as if it needs it). So there's no saying that Kendra won't have similar access.
Personally, I think she's lucky to work with Carolyn. And despite the fact it looks (and probably is in this case) sexist that she was placed with a female mentor, there is a LOT to say for females mentoring each other. There are many things a female mentor can teach a younger female, that a male mentor cannot (mainly because men don't understand the issues facing many females in corporate culture).
Good luck Kendra!
Blondie
May 20, 2005 @ 10:40 am
ITA with those who feel that (no matter what reason Trumpy has for doing this) being mentored by Carolyn is a fab opportunity for Kendra. As others have noted, Carolyn IS a high level executive in the organization with direct access for herself (and her protege) to DT. Plus, we've seen what a caring, thoughtful & smart person she is, so this is a win/win for Kendra. I also know from experience that mentoring by a successful female in an organization gives some extra "navigation tools" in THAT particular male-dominated arena.
Whether Trumpy meant this as a sexist move doesn't really matter to me if Kendra gets to work with Carolyn....WooHoo! *fist pump* for Kendra!!
IfIKnewThen
May 20, 2005 @ 10:51 am
I think the combination of the two, his general dismissiveness, and now reports that Kendra will be mentored by Carolyn, or might be, just underline for me Trump's unwillingness to be engaged here.
Carolyn has a knowledge of what it takes to be successful in the Trump organization as an executive in general and as a woman in what many perceive to be a rather sexist environment.
Instead of looking for the negatives of not working that closely to Trump, I say that Kendra came out on top in all aspects...she is able to stay in Florida (her own county), she is able to work her way up in something where she has DIRECT EXPERIENCE already (I've always hated that they give the appearance that they immediately step in as the head of his corporation) and she gets to mentor with a savvy, dynamic woman who obviously has an emotional investment in Kendra already!
Trump's on to the next thing....Carolyn will actually teach Kendra something..
(though I did dislike how Carolyn talked about all of Tana's "great" ideas, etc, trying to make it seem more even....)
Mowgli
May 20, 2005 @ 11:11 am
Trump's on to the next thing....Carolyn will actually teach Kendra something..
That's how I see it, too. And I think Kendra's well served to be -free- of Trump, and his sexist attitudes (and obvious lack of appreciation for her business skills).
After her comment about how nice it was to work with people who believed in her again, how nice for her to have a genuine and supportive and -real- work relationship with Carolyn rather than what she would have had with the dismissive and sexist DT.
I have a hunch that Carolyn's offer isn't purely altruistic, either. I have a feeling that she saw Kendra's talents and may have thought of how her marketing ideas and creativity could be helpful with the property Carolyn manages. Since Kendra clearly likes to work...so much the better!
Also, could Kelly's "office" have been any worse? I'd take the golf course and Palm Beach assignment (and opportunity to be largely away from Trump, who obviously is -not- ever going to be much of a mentor to any of these "winners") any day!
Blondie
May 20, 2005 @ 11:27 am
That's the way I see it:
Mentoring by Carolyn (six months from now)....still fun, interesting, motivational, encouraging total learning experience.
Mentoring by Trumpy (six months from now)...."Do I know you? Oh, yea, from the show. Get me a bottle of Trump Ice, will ya, sweetie?"
Rinaldo
May 20, 2005 @ 12:11 pm
I'm actually really pleased for Kendra, who seems to have come out best of all 3 winners. Though her job does have that annoying girls-only tinge about it in contast to what was announced for Bill or Kelly, it will probably be her job, she will be able to make actual decisions and changes on the job. Bill is likely most a rubber-stamper sort of supervisor, well supervised himself to make sure no screwups happen, and Kelly... well, I dunno. But Kendra could really show her stuff with this assignment.
And mentored by Carolyn? That'd be my choice of the 3 Trumperies on the show. (You can be sure DT himself was in no way a hands-on mentor with the 2 guys.)
In addition, it seems a very humane thing for Carolyn to want to do. Miss Alli herself remarked in a recap that she hoped that if Kendra won, she received some advice on polishing some aspects of the way she presents herself (voice, etc.). Carolyn seems just the person to know about that and be helpful with it. Hurray!
Nadias O Face
May 20, 2005 @ 12:11 pm
Mentoring by Trumpy (six months from now)...."Do I know you? Oh, yea, from the show. Get me a bottle of Trump Ice, will ya, sweetie?"
Hehe. That or a sexual harassement lawsuit.
Anyway, there's a
short article over at Celebrity Justice about Carolyn. Apparently, she testified in a civil manner right before the live finale. And there's a good picture of Carolyn in that article (well, the guy in the background seems to be checking her out but, other than that, it's actually a nice picture).
Blondie
May 20, 2005 @ 12:43 pm
Thanks, Nadia, and can we guess what that guy in the background is looking at!?! Let's hope Carolyn didn't catch him at it.
BTW, from the pics noted in the media thread, Carolyn looks fab in cream satin at the TA3 afterparty!
Caltron
May 20, 2005 @ 1:42 pm
I think the fact that Carolyn is mentoring Kendra convinces me that Trump has given Kendra a "real" job tailored to her talents and experience level. If it were not a real job, she just woud have reported directly to Florida. Carolyn or George have no obligation to any of these candidates, so the fact that Carolyn has agreed to take her under her wing just shows that Kendra has real potential. I think this is a great opportunity for Kendra.
I'm willing to bet that Bill and Kelly have spent less that one hour total in the actual presence of Trump outside of the show, or George or Carolyn for that matter.
Bigwheels1971
May 20, 2005 @ 2:22 pm
And I think Kendra's well served to be -free- of Trump, and his sexist attitudes...
It makes me wonder if (off camera) Carolyn ever turns to DT and says, "Donald, what the hell are you doing/saying? Cut it out."
Compunerd
May 20, 2005 @ 2:59 pm
Part of Carolyn's experience is in construction and renovation given the clubhouses and luxury housing that is part of the properties she manages. In fact, didn't Bill even say that he's spending part of his time learning from a White Plains clubhouse renovation? So the job in the first season needed to be supplemented with additional training. This time, they scaled back the job and made it something that would leave Kendra with training, experience and contacts in her local area.
I'm sure Carolyn at age 26 was as rough as Kendra seems now, and I'll bet she had a hand in selecting the job opportunity for Kendra. The chance to learn from Carolyn and then go apply what she learned on a project is incredible. My bet is that she ends up working under Carolyn's org after her year is up. Regardless of Trump's sexist public persona, there has to be something about working for him that keeps someone like Carolyn around, and her org is as much about real estate as it is about golf.
Blondie
May 20, 2005 @ 3:11 pm
Exactly! Couldn't have said it better myself, Compunerd.
eclare
May 20, 2005 @ 4:31 pm
It totally pains me to say this, because normally she looks so lovely, but I really hate what
Carolyn's wearing. (scroll down)
If I was at all interested in business/corporate culture, I would kill to have Carolyn as my mentor. Kendra really hit the jackpot on this one.
Tegan Jovanka
May 20, 2005 @ 5:40 pm
eclare, you're right. Wearing a dress so similar to her hair and skin color blanded her out. Not one of my favorite Carolyn looks. And I don't really like the "flip" either, or her stiff body language. She looks like she hates being there, and I really can't blame her (a night with Trump, Assorama, etc.).
goobaletta
May 20, 2005 @ 9:06 pm
The style suited her perfectly, but the color was completely wrong as Tegan points out above. At least under all those bright lights. I did wonder if she looked less washed out or if the color seemed darker under normal lighting. That's a mistake a lot of people make with that color. She might ought to have borrowed some of Bill's spray tan.
And yeah, I'd love to work with Carolyn. I envy Kendra that, I do.
ghettofabman
May 21, 2005 @ 1:48 am
Jen C. looks like a harlot!! What the hell was she thinking with that bad getup?? Wait, don't tell me, Assorama is her stylist.
clairedawn
May 21, 2005 @ 10:56 am
In addition, it seems a very humane thing for Carolyn to want to do. Miss Alli herself remarked in a recap that she hoped that if Kendra won, she received some advice on polishing some aspects of the way she presents herself (voice, etc.). Carolyn seems just the person to know about that and be helpful with it. Hurray!
Did anyone else think that Kendra's voice was a lot less grating at the finale and also on the Today Show and Leno yesterday? I almost wonder if she's had some coaching after watching (and hearing!) herself on tv the last 16 weeks. I thought she sounded a lot more assertive and professional and less whine-y. (sorry, Kendra!)
2ys4me
May 21, 2005 @ 3:56 pm
Miss Alli herself remarked in a recap that she hoped that if Kendra won, she received some advice on polishing some aspects of the way she presents herself (voice, etc.). Carolyn seems just the person to know about that and be helpful with it. Hurray!
So Word. I am such a Carolynite, but even so, have to note the change from Season 1 to 3. Carolyn herself had to have undergone a stylist transformation of sorts through these years, and that in itself will be of benifit for Kendra.
The ability to look professional and feminine is a fine line, but when done correctly is powerful in so many ways.
I note the glam shots of Kendra on her site, and that's what they are, glam shots which have no place in business. There is no way she would look that way in day to day work, nor should she want to (hell, I didn't recognize in some of them).
But, with Carolyn, Kendra has a shot with the whole package: personal presentation and voice (without those, you lose 75 % of your power when you walk in the door), Trump operations, plus she has a true mentor at her her back.
This mentor will be tough as nails with her, no doubt, but she will be there for the good and the bad. Kendra will have specific goals and timelines, I'm certain of that. I'm not at all certain that Bill and Kelly have the same (as to goals and timelines).
Black Knight
May 21, 2005 @ 5:16 pm
Did anyone else think that Kendra's voice was a lot less grating at the finale and also on the Today Show and Leno yesterday?
I did too. I think she's been making a real effort to work on her voice.
It's not surprising, considering that to prepare for this season, she studied S1, and that for the live finale she'd clearly studied every episode of her own season to prepare for anything that might be brought up.
That's one of the things I like about Kendra; she doesn't think she's perfect, and she constantly works to improve. She's going to thrive under Carolyn's mentoring and sponge up all the knowledge Carolyn has to give. We already saw some of that during the season; for instance, Kendra clearly listened to the lecture Carolyn gave the S1 women.
Tana, on the other hand, would be Carolyn just beating her head against the wall. No way in hell would Carolyn ever agree to be stuck with Tana for a few months or allow her anywhere near the club members.
Wry Bread
May 21, 2005 @ 6:56 pm
What was with Carolyn's Carol Brady hair in the finale? I thought she looke atrocious.
Agreed. The
Brini Maxwell look must go.
hicks964
Jun 2, 2005 @ 10:40 am
I just finished reading Carolyn 101! All I can say is if the women of A4 don't take the time to read and learn from it, they should be fired in the first boardroom. Erin would have saved herself the embarrassment of trying to come on to Trump.
djmama
Jun 3, 2005 @ 9:46 am
hicks964, I promised myself that I'd read her book the minute it came out, and I haven't yet. So thanks for the reminder to check it outta the library. I'll give my review when I read it!
BugMobile
Jun 5, 2005 @ 8:44 pm
It's a good book; what she says is very practical and does work in real life.
sll
Jun 5, 2005 @ 9:48 pm
Yes, it is an interesting book and very well written. And read the part about "toxic bosses"--pretty amazing. She really is a tough woman.
meganhoney
Jun 5, 2005 @ 9:56 pm
I got Carolyn's book from the library. It was so interesting reading about how she started with Trump. She mentioned also how she got her job working on the golf courses. She also gave some info on what happened in A1. This is a book that I would say is a good read.
Bouquet
Aug 6, 2005 @ 9:18 pm
I know it's probably to get a front-on camera angle, avoiding Trump's back, but when the candidates always clump at the George end of the boardroom table it looks like they're cringing from Carolyn's vicious gaze. They should at least alternate.
djmama
Aug 23, 2005 @ 9:32 am
Hey y'all! I finally had a chance to read Carolyn's book, and it was a good read. She really puts a fine spin on the philosophy of "there is no such thing as a problem, just an opportunity to make a situation better". Also, she consistently shows her work ethic, always a plus in my book. I highly recommend it.
As an aside, her narrative of the real jerks in her professional life, how they screwed up situations, and how she was able to overcome them, made me think through similar situations in my own professional life. I even went so far as to write them all down, just so I have them in a nice, neat compartment and don't have to look at them anymore. No need to have that stuff rearing its ugly head for me all the time.
As a further aside, this is the fourth time I've requested a book at my library via inter-library loan, but the library decided to buy it instead. Sort of makes me feel as if I'm contributing to the good in the universe in some tiny way.
eta: You cutie-pie, goobaletta! Thanks!
goobaletta
Aug 24, 2005 @ 5:04 am
Sort of makes me feel as if I'm contributing to the good in the universe in some tiny way. [/quote] I never doubted it for a moment, djmama.
Bobbalouie78
Sep 17, 2005 @ 3:56 am
I really hope that they have more Carolyn (and George) in the new season. They are hands down the most interresting people on the show. Don't restrict to little blurbs, show full interactions. Oh, and more of Carolyn and George together, just by themselves. Just chatting.
greeneyed fem
Sep 17, 2005 @ 7:46 pm
Hi all - I'm sorry, I haven't watched the show since season 1, but I have a question about Carolyn's clothing. I hope y'all can help.
The redesign of her book cover (out this month in paperback) upset me - she went from business-suit-in-the-boardroom (on the hardcover edition) to a poor-man's-Martha-Stewart (on the paperback).
Can you share observations on her wardrobe during the past two seasons? Does she always wear a business suit, or does she dress more casually when running around following the teams on their tasks?
Just wondering - I'm writing a little piece on it. Thank you!
goobaletta
Sep 17, 2005 @ 8:06 pm
If You do some research via some of the standard library databases of newspapers and magazines you can find articles on Carolyn and her wardrobe during the last 3 seasons. You can find some of them listed in the Media thread here, but I doubt a lot of the links are still good, but they'd give you a starting place.
I recommend going to a college (even community college) library in your area. If there's not one then try your local library. You ought to be able to access what you need using their resources. As I said above, there are MANY articles on Carolyn's look over the course of the show. You should be able to find some that will give you the information you need.
Oh, you might should use the search function here at TWoP to whittle down the Carolyn relevant entries in the Media thread. It works pretty well for such as I've found from past experience.
greeneyed fem
Sep 18, 2005 @ 10:19 am
Thanks, goobaletta, for the tips - I'm actually not that interested in newspaper or magazine articles concerning her clothes - most of them are a "wardrobe tips for the working woman" kinda thing with a Carolyn twist, or some kind of discussion on what the female contestants are wearing (or not wearing). I just wondered if people who watch the show regularly had ever observed Carolyn wearing casual clothes when "on the job." I've only ever seen her in professional attire.
blocked writer
Sep 18, 2005 @ 10:31 am
I just wondered if people who watch the show regularly had ever observed Carolyn wearing casual clothes when "on the job." I've only ever seen her in professional attire.[/quote]
I don't remember Carolyn ever wearing casual clothes on the show. I think she was always in professional attire. My take of that is that she dressed that way on the show to be taken seriously. Once she saw how sleazy and unprofessionally some of the TA1 women were dressing, she probably went even further out of her way to project a very business-like image.
I've seen her on the red carpet at award shows looking super glamorous, so she obviously has another side to her wardrobe. But I don't remember ever seeing her make a glaring error in terms of clothing, or "dressing down" on TA.
I'll never forget the look of disbelief she had last season when Tana came into the boardroom wearing that red leather and fur (or feather) monstrosity. I couldn't believe that Tana believe that was something to wear in a business setting, ever! I'd love to know what Carolyn was really thinking when she saw that get-up.
tiggeril
Sep 22, 2005 @ 9:03 pm
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Carolyn gets to be in charge one week. Woooooo!
TiffanyNichelle
Sep 22, 2005 @ 9:04 pm
Yeah but what happened to her hair?
lauriecake
Sep 22, 2005 @ 9:05 pm
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Carolyn gets to be in charge one week. Woooooo! [/quote]
Thank god I wasn't the only one screaming in happiness!
dreamy
Sep 22, 2005 @ 9:06 pm
No, I was squeeing, too...TiffanyNichelle, I was wondering the same thing. Easy on the Clairol! Except I thought she looked pretty great standing on the golf course with the wind ruffling her hair.
I just re-read that sentence and realize am so pathetic. I need a life.
Stardancer2001
Sep 22, 2005 @ 9:06 pm
Yeah but what happened to her hair?[/quote]
I second that! Was she too busy kicking ass to run a comb through it?
I still luuuurrrve her though!
tiggeril
Sep 22, 2005 @ 9:10 pm
Maybe she was going for the Trump Hair as an homage. Hee.
Magsi2
Sep 22, 2005 @ 9:13 pm
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Carolyn gets to be in charge one week. Woooooo! [/quote]
I was squealing for that one too! That could be a fun week!
cggb
Sep 22, 2005 @ 9:21 pm
Yeah but what happened to her hair?[/quote]
She had the femullet going on there for a while.
SmittenMonkey
Sep 22, 2005 @ 10:17 pm
I also can't wait to see Carolyn in charge. That will be the best episode of the Apprentice ever! In fact, I think that the powers that be at NBC should have created a series for Carolyn instead of Martha...
Magsi2
Sep 22, 2005 @ 10:21 pm
In fact, I think that the powers that be at NBC should have created a series for Carolyn instead of Martha...[/quote]
That would be MUST SEE TV!
Cockapoo2
Sep 23, 2005 @ 12:03 pm
Yeah but what happened to her hair?[/quote]
Good lord, Carloyn, please don't try to grow that stringy ass hair with the 80's bangs out any longer, get thee a hair style stat.
SuzyP
Sep 23, 2005 @ 2:28 pm
When will these stupid people ever learn, do not underestimate Carolyn. When the stupid woman (who did, thank god, get fired) said that she couldn't work with women because all women were scared of her intellect and beauty, I thought Carolyn was going to fire her herself just to prove how completely wrong that statement was. Carolyn will always, even with unfortunate hair, rock and kick ass.
Jaded Cat
Sep 24, 2005 @ 5:03 pm
Carolyn will always, even with unfortunate hair, rock and kick ass.[/quote]
Ever so true, SuzyP. My Carolyn love continues unabated. She looked good in The Donald's chair. Much better than he does.
Must add comment about a hair stylist also. Please Carolyn, do it quick!
AlmondEyes
Sep 24, 2005 @ 7:05 pm
I was obviously asleep at the wheel when the Carolyn's in charge announcement was made. What's the deal? When does Carolyn become the new Alexander Haig?
lauriecake
Sep 24, 2005 @ 11:21 pm
I was obviously asleep at the wheel when the Carolyn's in charge announcement was made. What's the deal?[/quote]
AlmondEyes, at the end of the season preview shown on Thursday, Carolyn said, "Today, I'm in charge," and proceeded to sit down in Trump's seat. We don't know exactly when Carolyn's taking over, but we do know it's in the near future.
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