Thank you Goobaletta!

*warm, fuzzy feeling*

FWIW, I believe they're starting filming S3 now. I was in a cab home late Tuesday night, and they were filming what sure looked to me like cab walk outside Trump Tower.

mattmarcotte, male or female?

Great info, kate2.

Sounds like that suspicious betting pattern may pan out. Jennifer and Kelly for final 2 seem like a solid bet, now.

Ooooo, great info, kate2. To add fuel to that fire, I will point out that the Sun Times building is on the site of the future Trump building -- the project that Boyfriend Bill is working on.

So, if it is the site of the final challenge, then, yeah, maybe Jenn M is one of the finalists (unless she is one of the ones brought back to help in the last task, a la last season). Just based on the editing I think it is possible that she is one of the finalists. She's really the only woman (besides Pamela) who has gotten flattering editing (intentionally shown as disagreeing with the others about Stacie J) and other than that she's been shown relatively little, partly due to the focus on the infighting among the others. Reminds me of a certain Boyfriend from last season.

I wonder what the possibility is, though, that it was one of the regular tasks, as someone suggested? Seems unlikely that they would go that far away for a regular task. Last season, IIRC, the only time they left NY was for the final tasks, right? And, of course, it would make sense for the final task to take place on the site of the new Trump tower. Because Trump wouldn't be able to resist a three-hour promo for it.

Does anyone know if early May would be the right time-frame for taping the final tasks?

kate2--did you see anyone else there whom you now recognize?

The cab walk they were filming looked to be a male with short hair (maybe even bald), but I was in a cab that was going down 5th Avenue at 1 a.m., so couldn't see a lot.

I'll say that judging from the setup, they probably do film cab walks en masse (most likely near the start of filming), since they had a pretty elaborate light grid, etc. set up that wouldn't seem appropriate if they were just filming the one.

Her disagreeing with the others about Stacie J. and not participating in many of the fights isn't "flattering editing," though. It's different behavior.

Unfortunately no. The Sun Times building is relatively short, and though we could see similar filming equiptment on top - it was sort of like a balcony area - we were not close enough to distinguish characteristics of the people, nor even hair color.

Behind the building, near the McDonalds that graciously provided us with a bathroom, is a gorgeous little park area. It was relatively hidden and empty, so the filming was very noticeable. I tried to ingrain the image of the woman in my head so that I could pick her out if she turned out to be an Apprentice. We were pretty shocked while watching the first episode, to actually see her.

I've never been so thankful to need a loo! We never would have happened upon the park otherwise.

Two questions--do we know when filming started on Season 2? And Kate 2--do you remember the date when you were there? You said early May.

Off topic -- mrwestern proposed to me at the McDonalds in the Sun Times building (such a romantic!). It will be fun to see it on television.

Back on topic, I wonder what the task is, and what Boyfriend Bill's involvement will be?

First report in the Spoiler Thread for the current season's taping is in the middle of page 44. rosmum reported meeting Bill and Carolyn at Trump Towers on May 23. There's also a link on page 45 to a posting from elsewhere, dated May 18, by someone who saw Apex doing the Crest promo.

FWIW, I just made my way through a Law & Order: SVU shoot on Franklin Street last night, and the light grid, crane, craft services, trailers, and general hubbub looked like something out of a major motion picture, but it was for a scene that will probably end up being just a few minutes long, at most.
So I don't think they shoot the cab scenes ahead of time. If they did...wouldn't that make wardrobe an issue? Like, how would they know what the firee would be wearing for the firing?

Great info on Jen M. in Chicago!

Actually they do shoot the leaving the building, getting into the cab scenes early on, all at once. People or some other magazine did a 10 things you don't know about TA story last season. The pre-taping of the cab shots was definitely mentioned and confirmed by at least one or two contestants in their post-firing interviews.

As to the clothes issue? I think that's why we see them wearing coats much of the time during their exits.

Just note that Bradford was an exception. Remember him walking out of that building with nothing but his suit on? Hilarious!

Very true. Heh. Maybe they'll put the outtake of him with his suitcase with the Season 2 DVDs.

Sorry for the delay - I wanted to get home and check my credit card statements. I must apologize about guessing on the date. That's what I get for asking my husband, who replied "I know it was after the baseball season started." :) Anyway, according to my statement it was June 19th.

Ahhh, so that's pretty far into the tapings. I doubt they'd do the fashion task in Chicago, so anytime after the sixth episode. Whether it's as late as the final task? That's hard to say.

Thanks again, kate2! Yay!

I've read back quite a few pages and I still don't see how we know the women win next week's task? Short version, anyone?

Oops, sorry, wrong thread.

I agree, Miss Alli, that Jenn M's behavior is different and neither her behavior nor that of the others is the result of editing. However, it wouldn't have been absolutely necessary for the editors to show it to us. They could have let us go on thinking, for the time being anyway, that she just agreed with the group. But they made a point of showing her disagreement (granted, moreso in the Saturday extended footage than int he original ep). Maybe that was just setting up the smackdown from the men this week. But it can't be denied that seeing that behavior from Jenn M is a large part of why people on these boards now like her. So it has had an impact, whether the editors intended it or not.

If it is true that the editors can't show bad behavior if it didn't happen, the axiom would be that they could choose not to show behavior that does happen. Anyway, it's certainly nothing conclusive. I'm just saying that at the moment she is the only woman, besides Pamela perhaps, who's being positively portrayed. And I would think that would be important that the finalists be seen is as positive a light as possible, at least from Trump's point of view.

In fact, I would argue (assuming the last statement is true) that based on editing alone, Jenn M and Pamela are the only women who could possibly be in the finals. Unless, of course, Burnett and Trump throw us a curveball, which is always possible.

Jaded Cat--I looked back, too, and I found the initial spoiler in a post by Tashanir on page 52 of this thread. However, the information he/she posted from another site was simply an episode description followed by his/her comment that the women win by selling steak knives and the men lose selling panini makers. I don't see any other post where he/she clarifies where this spoiler came from. Hope this helps.

So, we know that Jennifer was in Chicago on June 19.

The Apex women were spotted on the Crest task with Piazza on May 18th. We've got about a month between the two.

I've seen it referenced on the boards (I wish I could specifically cite someone, but I don't remember when and in which thread it was said) that each task takes several days, but it's not the "one task per week" that they try to play up on the show.

So, let's assume we're looking at four days per task, which would be a reasonable estimate of the timeframe of this show (most of the tasks we've seen are two day tasks - do research one day, carry out the task the next). Throw in some flex time there, and four days a task seems like a reasonable average. It's a number to go by.

Including May 18th and June 19th, there are 33 days. Let's also assume that the Crest firing of Stacie was on the 18th for simplicity's sake, so the next task would start on May 19th - 32 days.

At four days a task, we're looking at 8 tasks after Crest, which would mean that Jennifer was spotted on Task 11. Also, assuming that they're only doing one firing a week, there would be 8 contestants left for task 11.

That's making a few assumptions, notably that 4 days total per task is the average. If it's sped up to three days for some tasks, the Chicago task would be a later task, and there'd be fewer contestants around.

Regardless, it seems Jennifer is a lock for the final 8, probably better. Final two might be pushing it, but it really depends on how quickly they push the contestants through tasks and if they have multiple firings or not.

So, nothing conclusive, but it does nothing at all to disprove or even throw into question the Jennifer and Kelly F2 gambling spoiler.

The Jennifer M/Kelly finalist betting spoiler only points up for me what seems to be a fatal weakness of The Apprentice, at least where its longevity as a show is concerned: Since the aim of the show is to find someone capable of running one of Trump's businesses, the producers have to find at least two people with the obvious strengths and experience to do that. And those are almost always easy to spot early in the season, as (at least in hindsight) Bill and Kwame were last year. And they have to have a few plausible but flawed contenders -- Nick, Amy, Troy last year; Kevin, Raj, Pamela this year -- to provide a modicum of suspense. And the rest can be the usual nuts and sluts, to be fired hilariously for however many weeks it takes to do so. On other reality shows, including even the wonderful Amazing Race, a nut or a slut can stay the course to the very end and even wind up winning the thing. That's never going to happen on The Apprentice, which is why after this season -- or perhaps one more -- this show is likely to lose its appeal.

That premise only holds true, Tenderfoot, if you assume that people don't watch the show primarily to watch the nuts and sluts implode. Not to mention The Donald's antics become increasingly more ridiculous.

While it may be a job interview, I still have trouble taking it seriously as one. But as entertainment? Terrific!

RhondaGC, thanks. I saw that but wondered if I'd missed something more definitive.

You're probably right, Mama Tiger, and of course that's why I watch the show -- and also because I've worked with/for so many people like these buffoons, so it's nice to see them get their comeuppance. But my point was that the predictability factor seems so much greater a problem with this show than with Survivor or TAR. I felt the steam go out of The Apprentice last year when Omarosa was fired, and by the time Troy was fired, I really didn't care much who won the damn thing as long as it wasn't Nick or Amy, and I never really felt there was much chance of that anyway.

This year, they'll have to keep Stacy, Maria and/or Ivana around for a while to build up the how-much-longer-will-they-put-up-with-her fervor. And unless they find other ways to build suspense about the ending, will we really care who gets the job?

As for The Donald becoming more ridiculous, it's going to be hard to top those entrances with a flourish of Trumpets.

Heh. Tis all.

Somehow, I have all faith that he will indeed do just that.


As my mom used to say:
"Tacky is as tacky does, and sometimes there's just no stopping it."

You do have to admire the paucity of truly juicy spoilers....I never thought that Trump could be as tight as Alan Ball.


did I really just say that? EWWW!!

Anyone notice on Jen C's web site that she has links to Rob, Bradford and RAj. Could this possibley mean that Raj is next to join her in the looser hotel?

No, I doubt it. For one thing, he's immune and nowhere near dumb enough to give up his immunity.
I think it's probably just because she likes boys a LOT! and all the bitches hate her.

ETA: heh, "looser hotel"? Freudian slip, given Trump's possible spoiler about a "romance" happening this season?

The QVC task was filmed on 5/24.

BlueSkies, brilliant find! Thanks for sharing.

*happy dance coz George is back this task!*

Here's another find that I've been waiting to share. Someone in another forum mentions that their boss was at a wedding with Pamela and two divorces were a result of the show. Go to Gulp!

Pamela gossip


This blogger said he knew Pamela at HBS and she had married one of his sectionmates. (towards the bottom)

http://o4brons.blogspot.com/

If this is at all true, who could it be? I'm guessing maybe Stacy because of the shot with her and the birthcontrol pills...I mean, why did the camera men even throw that in, unless it was an inside "joke" or something.


So any news on who gets the boot this week? Which unlucky guy is it?
ETA:
Maybe going on this show is BAD luck. Jen C gets fired in real life and Pam gets a divorce.

Found this on nbcumv.com about episode 7 - airing on 10/21

THE APPRENTICE --(9:00PM-9:59PM) --(TV-PG)
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"Episode No.7"
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"Barking Up the Wrong Tree" -- Teams face a corporate restructure that levels the playing field in a dog-eat-dog task that takes the battle to the parks and streets. One team gets their hands dirty while the other fritters away valuable time wandering the city in search of an idea.

In response to the "Who could it be?" (slutty Apex chick), if you read further down it says they think it's Jen C! Not that surprising although my personal vote would have been for Smellssomethingrotten Sandy, she looks like a dime store hooker. However, even further down the thread someone says that the final 2 are Kelly and Smurfette!!! Yikes, that can't possibly be true so I'll take the rest with a grain of salt as well.

Wow, I'm surprised that Pamela is married (or was)...she seems so icy cold I can't imagine any guy wanting her. Unless he's a complete wimp and she runs the show (which is what I'd guess, given her persona).

Given that possible gossip about marriages breaking up, who else on the show is married? I know that Jennifer M is married -- and one or two guys (which ones, anyone remember?). Don't know if any of the rest of the women are married, though. Anyone know?

Is that the reason they wouldn't give out last names when the show started? I remember on the Today show when Matt interviewed Rob that for reasons they couldn't yet disclose that they wouldn't be mentioning last names for a while.

I know everyone has pretty much found out their last names by now but still it is interesting.

Sandy. According to the Sandy thread she got seperated after the show stopped filming. As far as who slept around the house? My guess is Jenn C. Totally.

To be fair, that comment was prefaced with "I heard a rumor" and no source or anything. It was also before someone commented on the gambling spoiler.

Kelly, sure. Stacy? I can't possibly imagine a scenario where she'd be final two worthy. It would have to be the mother of all spontaneous meltdowns by the rest of the candidate pool for that to even seem possible.

Clandrith posted this in the "Sandy" thread:


Also, there was a report early on that Sandy was spotted at some reality TV party gloating and crowing to the Gotti kids that she was going to be a "big star" on The Apprentice. And Trump, himself, mentioned that we would be seeing some "sex" later on between contestants.

Based on this, I think Sandy will be around for a while... I wonder who she hooks up with? My guess is Chris.

Sandy seems to me to be a likely candidate. She and Jenn M are perhaps the most attractive, although I know that that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it and everyone has different tastes (blah, blah--I personally find Elizabeth pretty cute, but not everyone likes that kind of thing). But she also has been, largely, out of the spotlight, and hasn't been at the center of the infighting of the women's team. Maybe because she's busy doing other things? Hmmm . . .

As for the male half, well, I don't feel like I know too many of them well enough to really guess. Kevin, I think, is a stand-up guy who wouldn't mess with a married woman (also I think he's pretty disgusted at the whole group). Ditto with Raj. Andy looks like someone's younger brother, and I'm guessing Sandy's not that sick. John is pretty hot, and I could see the ladies being attracted to him. But I don't feel like I know him well enough to know how he would act. Chris, eh, maybe, but would Sandy be attracted to him? And then there's Wes. Again, we haven't seen a lot of him, so it's hard to know, but I get a bit of a slimy vibe from him. Again, it may just be me, but right now I'm feeling that he might be the most likely candidate. (Also note that we've seen relatively little of Sandy or Wes throughout the tasks--at least they haven't been at the center of attention--and I wonder if that means they are being "saved" for a later plot-line).

This has just got to be the women (Apex), right? The show hasn't mixed up the teams (a mix of both men and women) by this point have they?

You'd think with a sentence with so few words, I'd be able to get it right the first time.

She may have reached that point by noon on the first day.

Wow, thanks kulmo. So from that it's safe to say that the team winning week 5 wins week 6, as Trump only reshuffles when there's an imbalance of numbers. And if the spoiler earlier in the thread holds true, the women seem to win week 5/QVC, as per way back in the thread. 2 in a row for them--shocking.

Leveling the playng fields could mean "leveling" in terms of skill and success, not just numbers. If I remember correctly, someone in this thread Ivana said she was around til the 6th task. So that would mean that the women don't win twice in a row and actually lose the sixth task. Because, as the spoiler on another thread states, the women win the task this week. But another spoiler says that Ivana is around "for the first 6 episodes or so.' So if the guys lose someone this week, and the women lose someone next week...then there's no need to 'level" the teams in terms of numbers.

Hmmmm....now that I think about it....maybe , if "leveling the playing fields" does refer to numbers, that means the women's team loses the 5th and 6th task, and doesn't win this week as a spolier suggests.

Wow, kulmo. I looked and looked and played around a bit with URLs and didn't find the blurb on week 7. Who do you know?!

First, I'd like to note that I said that Apex would get a new team member in week 5 ages ago and it turns out I'm right. *bow* Even if I was practically talked out of it later. *sheepish grin*

And for Week 6, I do think the women lose and that Ivana gets fired. What I'm trying to figure out is who on Apex will be given busy work during that task because it seems that person will be vulnerable too. And it may well be Ivana.

Week 7, if they do another reshuffle, I'd bet that they'll do what they did before the flea market task last season and have the PMs choose their team members.

According to the blog that BlueSkies posted, Pamela returns to the womens team soon. Why on Earth would she do that?

She wasn't given a choice per the preview.

Yeah, apparently she doesn't have a choice. It seems to me this could happen one of three ways: 1) The Donald orders her back to the women's team; 2) Mosaic is allowed to "pick" someone to give to the other team and decides to feed Pamela to the wolves; 3) Apex is allowed to choose and, in a shocking show of intelligence, they choose Pamela in hopes that she can rescue them--or so they will have someone new to blame if they lose. I hope it is either 1 or 3. Number 2 seems to allow Mosaic a chance to dump someone they perceive as weak and sabotage the other team. Which I don't think is fair. (Plus, if they're dumping someone weak, Pamela probably shouldn't be at the top of that list).

I suppose it could also be done randomly (choosing a name from Mosaic out of a hat) but that's not how it's been done in the past. Perhaps because TD wants to get an idea of who the contestants consider to be the strongest/weakest players a la the swapping back and forth of Amy last season.

If the team leaders are allowed to pick teams for week 7, I hope they do it more equitably than last time. They should, at the very least, flip a coin to see who gets to choose first. I don't think they did this last time with the first reshuffle (although I might be wrong).