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coastcat
CheekyCricket, why do you think Brian will recommend Tana? I wouldn't expect Kristen or Chris to do so, but do you think Brian thought Tana did a good enough job?

The rest of your answers look pretty logical, although I wonder if Trumpy will fire Tana anyway... Kwame and Jen didn't have any huge screwups, and both had the respect of their teams. They did well, just not as well as Bill and Kelly. Tana had many foul-ups, a serious lack of professionalism, and a big lack of respect from and for her employees. Trump might fire her just to make the point - it's not just because Kendra did a better job, but because Tana did a mediocre job in a lousy manner.
Caltron
Didn't Trump fire Jen last year? It wasn't a huge deal, but I remember Jen being faked out by it. I would think that Tana deserves to be fired.
CheekyCricket
coastcat, I chose "Tana" because, despite the poor treatment Tana dished out to her team, I suspect Brian will stay with the StreetSmart candidate. He never worked with Kendra and so doesn't have much personal knowledge of her. Now, if what we saw (in terms of Tana's lousy attitude and performance) was only the tip of the iceberg, Brian might be angry enough to switch his vote to Kendra, or to reject both finalists. Probably, he still thinks Trump should hire him. (Heck, I'm sure he still thinks Trump should hire him.)

Good points regarding the possibility of Tana's firing. It will depend on how much weight Trump gives to Tana's overall record versus her performance on the final task.

Also, as a side note, I think Kristen might recommend Kendra just to spite Tana, but I see her as most likely to reject both candidates, out of sheer cussedness.
YourNightmare
There was a spoiler somewhere from Tanas friend that said that she did not register her kids to school for September and told her children that they are all moving! That implies a new job.
It's May, most schools don't open registration for new students until August. Most schools don't require registration for returning students. They simply send a letter home asking if the child will be returning, and even if you don't respond, they re-enroll them anyway. That's a pretty silly comment for this 'friend' to say.

Trump did fire Jen before he hired Kelly. I have a feeling he'll do the same since it supposedly adds to the suspense. Whatever.

Damn, I hate the options to these answers. Too many! For now, I've decided to say Kristen and Brian said neither candidate, because even though Tana sucked, they hardly knew how Kendra did. I believe they were interviewed the day of the task and their responses will not be live. The rest to me are all obvious so that means I'm probably wrong! Trick questions suck.

I wonder if it's possible that George would say both candidates. He really didn't get as much of an eyeful of Tana's problems as Carolyn did. But I'm sure he knows all about them so I'm going to take some Advil for my headache now.

ETA: Another thought is that throughout each episode Carolyn and George have always tried to say positive things about each person in the boardrooms. Even though Tana blew the final task, she still made it to the final two. They could give her some credit and say both candidates are worthy and go from there with their comments. As much fun as it would be to hear how much she sucked, I don't see it happening that way from George and Carolyn. Pointing out each person's weaknesses and strengths and leaving it on Trump's lap to decide might be a possibility.
ghettofabman
You know, I really don't care anymore about the Fantasy Game thanks to Tana as my final Apprentice choice, but I did say that everyone will recommend Kendra except Brian. I said that he will recommend Tana, and Kendra wins it all, and Tana will not be fired......Kendra will be hired. I think he will not fire Tana in front of her children, he will go easy on her because of the simple fact that her kids are there.

ETA: However, just because I don't care about mine doesn't mean that I don't care about the rest of you. I am rooting for ALL of you to place in the top 5, 10, 25, 50, and 100!!! Thanks to all of you (spindotdat, Cooler) for all the goods this season. You truly made me enjoy this entire season. I must admit, this is the first season that I watched from start to end. See ya for the fourth installment, and NYCers, be on the lookout and take pictures if filming goes your way. We need our spoilers so TWoP can take over the Fantasy Game next season, but I digress. pinkmamba, I think you will win it all.
pinkmamba
The 3 unknowns:

Brian
Kristen
Trump
anyone's guess here. my guess:

Brian-Kendra(even though he praises Tana's people skills on yahoo extra footage)
Kristen-ME, ah.. not a choice? than.. Tana (Fishbowl interview may indicate anger for betrayal, after she supported Tana in the boardroom)
Trump-axed - if QVC offers Tana a job, it will look better if she is not fired first- here it's all about the drama and I'm not sure what will make for a better story line.
But Trump almost has to fire Tana after last week- if nothing else but to pay her back for slighting Pataki.

Trump is desperate to get involved in the trade center rebuilding it kills him to be out of that project- so buttering up to Pataki who is taking charge of the reconstruction may be part of his strategy. if that is the case Tana will be fired.
coastcat
Okay, regarding Brian... I'm going with "neither", because I agree with CheekyCricket - he's going to say something like, "I don't think you should hire either of them. You should hire me."

Carolyn and George do try to be balanced, but there's a big difference between "I think Tana did an excellent job despite some rough spots" and "Yeah. She's nice." George might try to be balanced, but I think Carolyn will shred Tana like a Salad Shooter. (and you know Tana has a Salad Shooter in the drawer next to her Bedazzler)
YourNightmare
Aren't Tana's kids older? I think they can handle seeing their mom fired, especially if they saw her degrade every single person in her eyesight last week.

I don't think going easy on the candidates because they have kids is a good TV decision. Viewers want they want and that's pretty hypocritical to ‘go easy’ on someone for that reason when you’ve just shown them in a bad light (and in Tana’s case, a very bad light). IDGAF if her kids are 5, 3 or 10. Their mom just pissed off almost every viewer of the show. She deserves a good firing, and we, as the viewers, deserve to see it.

To further rant, because my hatred of her grows each time I remember things she's said, there are a number of things Tana said during many episodes that are far worse than Trump saying 'You're an idiot, you sucked and you're fired.' Yes, I know he won't quite say that, but I can dream. I believe Tana dropped the F bomb at least 3 times, not to mention calling people names, complaining about people, acting unprofessional, drinking on the job and so many others. If her kids have been watching the show, they've seen all this. If they haven't then why on earth did their parents let them come to a live show? That makes little sense to me.

ETA: By the way, there is no way in hell Tana saw that episode and thought she was about to be hired. She chose to bring her kids knowing full damn well she was going to get killed in the boardroom. If she thought otherwise, she is delusional.
CaliforniaSasha
In the Yahoo extended footage, Trump tells Tana that Kristen thought Tana was "great" and Brian was "brutal". Based on that, I would guess that Kristen will recommend Tana and Brian will not make a recommendation (since he never worked with Kendra).
AlmondEyes
Just want to say how liberating it is to finally roam the spoiler thread after all the tasks have been done and the Apprenti fired. To channel Russell Crowe in Gladiator, I'm looking forward to Trump telling Tana "I have but one more Apprentice to fire, and then it will be finished." Hee!

I'll resign myself to going to hell, but I'm seriously looking forward to the public bitchslap you guys hint that Tana's gonna get. Between the delusional rants about how the deal is signed, sealed & delivered, squeeing to the emcee and others at the event how she'll be the next Apprentice, and the horribly condescending and cruel way she treated her team? Bitch deserves to go down in a ball of flames.
coastcat
In the Yahoo extended footage, Trump tells Tana that Kristen thought Tana was "great" and Brian was "brutal". Based on that, I would guess that Kristen will recommend Tana and Brian will not make a recommendation (since he never worked with Kendra).

Ah, good point. The Boardroom discussions took place after the task but before the show started airing, so Kristen wouldn't have known about Tana's remarks. And Tana did make Kristen her second-in-command, appealing to her massive ego...
krazikat
Aren't Tana's kids older?


They're 10 and 6. And if TD takes it easy on Tana solely because her precious kiddos are in the audience, I will be TOTALLY PEEVED!!! Her children shouldn't even BE there because this isn't a children's show and there are times/places where children shouldn't be present (and I'm speaking as a mother of 6, btw).

Even if Tana's husband does bring the kids to the finale, Trump shouldn't water down his statements about Tana. She screwed up big-time, and if her plan is to have her kids present to act as a buffer against any negativity that might otherwise be spewed, then she is totally using her family (and how WRONG is that???). To me, having her kids there would show a total lack of good judgment (from Tana? Nahh....couldn't be!). Besides that, her younger child wouldn't have a clue what being fired was all about, and her older kid might, but wouldn't necessarily care all that much since he may not want to move from his home in Iowa, anyhow!

All in all, I hope the finale doesn't turn into a "rated G" show solely because there are small fries in the audience. That would totally bite.
orangepeel
(For some reason, I read "Tana's children" as "Tana's chicken." Sigh. I need new contacts.)


I did the same thing polka dots! It's because of the name "Perdue" on the line above!

(Sorry for going OT, but I wanted you to know that there's nothing wrong with your lenses!)
Blondie
I thought the decision to formally say "You're fired." to the runner-up was because there were so many comments made after Season One about Kwame never actually being "fired". Since Trumpy just said to Bill "You're Hired.", it was obvious but there were so many times in the media noting that Kwame was the only contestant who didn't win but never actually heard the words, "You're Fired." It was kinda stupid but it was a valid point.

I think that is why Trumpy made a point to say the words to Jen before saying "You're Hired." to StupidKelly. (Sorry, but I just cannot say his name without seeing his smirky little rat face during the finale.) HATE!

I think Trumpy will say the words to Tana just for the closure. As they say, "Tana, don't quit your day job just yet."
Kelley32
She screwed up big-time, and if her plan is to have her kids present to act as a buffer against any negativity that might otherwise be spewed, then she is totally using her family (and how WRONG is that???).
I see it all the time in court. People bring their kids because they think a judge won't come down on them with their kids there...sometimes it works.
mrsolive
I had a friend in grad school who brought her toddler into our seminar each week because the Professor was pretty ruthless and she thought he would let her off the hook or treat her more kindly with the little one there. It was a strategy that worked for her temporarily---in the end this same Professor refused to let her take additional time when her clock ran out and she never finished the PhD.

I don't think Tana is beneath using her kids as a shield, however, I also think she thinks this will be her shining moment and she wants her kids there to see mommy win. She sucks either way.
pinkmamba
I think that Tana really thinks she did well and is the next apprentice.
Some people go through this EST thing where if you believe it becomes reality-
similar to G Bush not acknowledging the possibility that he may lose. (worked in his case).
YourNightmare
I personally don't believe it's a big deal that her kids are coming. Nor do I think it's some conspiracy that she's trying to get Trump to go easier on her. I just don't agree that Trump will go easier on her just because her kids are there, but if there's even a hint of that happening, I will be pissed!

I believe her kids have seen the shows and whatever Trump, Carolyn and George say to her or about her won't be nearly as bad as what she said and did. If there was ever anything to worry about with those kids, it's what they watched their mom do last week.

That being said, I wonder if Kendra's boss/partner/possible love interest (aka Kendra's coworkers) will be there. If he is, I wonder if he'll get interviewed.

I am also curious as to why the QVC chick is going to be there. She wasn't even a part of the final task. I don't recall any other time interviewers were at the finale. Anyone else recall that? I will truly despise if she is offered a job right then and there by QVC. She doesn't deserve it and it sucks royally to see her rewarded for her behavior during the finale and Kendra's time in the spotlight.

It changes what the game is about. I realize many losers have gone on to get lucrative jobs because of their part on the show. But it doesn't belong on the show.

ETA: Article that confirms her kids watch the show.

I don't believe this has been confirmed yet so:
THE FINALE: The final episode is May 19. The conclusion of the previous taped tasks will be shown first. Then, in a live boardroom, Donald Trump will hire one of the finalists.
Also, there are more pictures from the final task up at Yahoo that weren't there before. If they were there before I missed them, and I apologize. Many of them were scenes never shown during the episode.
ghettofabman
Hey Fantasy Gamers, why don't we just ask Kristen herself through e-mail?? She said via Fishbowl that we can ask her anything and she will dish. Let's get some answers!!
goobaletta
But she hates TWoP. She said as much at that site where Nick and so on post commentaries. So I wouldn't ID myself as a TWoPer if I were going to ask her anything.
spindotdat
To clarify, I never said that the kids would be at the Finale. I just said that the show that would air on May 19 would feature Tana's kids. They still may be there - I don't know. I do know there is a taped segment with them (which may be cut at the last moment - that's the thing about live finales, they get edited right to the last minute, unlike shows that taped months ago, which get finalized weeks before airing).
Hail Eris
YourNightmare, that Joop dude or whatever from Unilever was at the last finale. He was one of those verbally felating Kelly.
polka dots
Oh okay, thanks for the clarification, spindotdat.

Hmm...taped segment of Tana's kids? I'm sorry, but why on Earth would I want to see that? I'm not saying that Tana's kids are horrible or annoying (one would only hope that they would turn out to be the opposite of mommy dearest), I just have no interest in seeing them on this show at all. I'd rather even see Jen M (hah, fat chance!) or any other past contestants (with the exception of Omarosa) than Tana's kids. I've never even seen Tana's kids and already I'm tired of hearing about them.

verbally felating


Heh. Verbally felating... hee!
Serving Size
Thought I'd post this article with a spoiler about the finale:

Change rules 'Apprentice'

For the first time in the reality show's history, Trump will pick a woman to win. It's down to Tana from the "Street Smarts" team and Kendra from the "Book Smarts" team.

Trump said he's leaning toward one of the women, but he'll make the final decision during the hour-long show.

"I'm going to have to see how they react under pressure," he said. "Life is all about pressure."

Last season, the show ended with a three-hour finale. This time around, it's just an hour, he said, with the winner named at the end.

And in another twist, rather than present the choice of a couple jobs within the Trump organization to the winner, the two candidates will learn of the potential jobs before Trump picks a winner.

"I'm going to have them choose which one of them they'd like," Trump said. "That may have an impact on my decision."
SmedIndy
Hmmm...

You know, I know everyone is on bash-Tana mode, and she did stink during the last task. But something, I think, may be up in Trump-land. Especially with that last article.

It may not be the rout that we're all expecting.
CheekyCricket
something, I think, may be up in Trump-land. Especially with that last article.

It may not be the rout that we're all expecting.

That's what I've been thinking, and the last article strengthens that impression. Last season's rout of Jen by the forces of Kelly made for boring television viewing, especially since many people expected Kelly to win anyway, and so I doubt the producers will repeat that blunder. I also think that Tana will not be castigated for her lousy attitude during the last task: her attitude will be addressed, but it won't be any worse than what we witnessed from Carolyn in last week's boardroom.
"I'm going to have them choose which one of them they'd like," Trump said. "That may have an impact on my decision."

Maybe, or maybe this is another attempt by Trump to make the decision look tougher and more suspenseful than it actually is.
I am also curious as to why the QVC chick is going to be there.

As Hail Eris reminded us, Unilever Guy was there to bolster the forces of Kelly, but if the QVC exec is going to be there supporting Tana, then one of Kendra's supporters should be there too, perhaps the Prudential Douglas Elliman exec.

ETA: Thanks for catching the typo, DeepInTheHeart.
DeepInTheHeart
[M]aybe this is another attempt by Trump to make the decision look tougher and more suspenseful than it actually is.
Bingo.
pinkmamba
It may be that Trump 2 jobs will be :
1: Real-estate sales and marketing for Trump projects in Florida( for Kendra)
2: Merchandizing his Scent and exec. clad lines (for Tana)

What if he hires both? Would that be a possibility in TV land? will we accept this?
goobaletta
IIRC, and considering my sinuses today there's no assurance of that at all, I think one gig is something to do with his new Las Vegas Trumpartment tower and the other is based in NYC. I think Kendra will choose LV since I seem to remember it being mentioned that she's expanding her business there already.
myshipp
Maybe Trump will say that Kendra is already too advanced to be an apprentice, and hire Tana because she is someone he can work on.
Magsi2
And in another twist, rather than present the choice of a couple jobs within the Trump organization to the winner, the two candidates will learn of the potential jobs before Trump picks a winner.

"I'm going to have them choose which one of them they'd like," Trump said. "That may have an impact on my decision."


Why on earth would which position they choose help him to make his decision, unless he really only has one and wants them to read his mind to pick the right one! DUH!!!

ETA: on and only are not the same thing!
ZippyDeBrain
Why on earth would which position they choose help him to make his decision, unless he really on has one and wants them to read his mind to pick the right one! DUH!!!


Extreme example to make the point:

We have 2 jobs:

1) Project Manager of Trump Towers 1.5
2) CEO in charge of rhine stone accessories

What jobe they pick says a lot about what they EXPECT to have to do for Trump. One thing that you ARE expected to do for an inverview is PREPARE (sorry Tanna...reasearch) what kind of jobs would you do in Trump Inc anyways?

When asked "What kind of things do you see yourself doing in Trump org?" she said whatever Mr Trump wants me to do...and from a job interview stand point that is a very week answer. Of course that was the answer given to the woman that absolutely loved her but whavever. General job interview strategy suggests that specific is good and general is bad. Whatever you want me to do is not a good answer.
Magsi2
ZippyDeBrain


Good point. I hadn't thought of that. I guess it's always a possibility that Trumpy would want more bedazzling done to his absolutely, fantastically already "dazzling" penthouse! Tana would definitely be the better choice for that! (hee hee)
Psyche78
Why on earth would which position they choose help him to make his decision, unless he really only has one and wants them to read his mind to pick the right one! DUH!!!

Maybe he is channeling Craig.
SnippyScholar
I think you are right, ZippyDeBrain. And I have to admit, it would be a pretty clever move on Trump's part. Tana will not be able to answer with any specifics as to why she would choose one job over another; she will not be able to show that she understands the demands of either job; and she will probably get panicky and continue to make personal attacks against Kendra.

This way Trump won't look like he and his henchmen are trashing a contestant. Tana will do it all herself.

Fiendishly clever. I can't wait.
CheekyCricket
Maybe Trump will say that Kendra is already too advanced to be an apprentice, and hire Tana because she is someone he can work on.

After the results of the first two seasons, I strongly suspect that despite the "Apprentice" moniker, Trump is completely uninterested in "working on" someone, but wants an Apprentice who can hit the ground running. (Maybe they should rename the show "The Journeyman"?) In terms of combined education and professional experience, Kelly was the most advanced last season, and also the oldest (the same age as Tana is now, I think). However, if he wanted someone with raw abilities that needed molding and shaping, I think he would have chosen someone more like Andy.
I guess it's always a possibility that Trumpy would want more bedazzling done to his absolutely, fantastically already "dazzling" penthouse! Tana would definitely be the better choice for that! (hee hee)

Once she learns where all the rhinestone beads are hidden in Manhattan . . .

Seriously, I could see Tana opting for a sales position, such as sales manager at one of the Trump condo projects.
Why on earth would which position they choose help him to make his decision, unless he really only has one and wants them to read his mind to pick the right one! DUH!!!

I still believe it's a bunch of old-fashioned Trump-style hooey, but we'll see . . .
funnymoney
I guess it's always a possibility that Trumpy would want more bedazzling done to his absolutely, fantastically already "dazzling" penthouse! Tana would definitely be the better choice for that! (hee hee)


Once she learns where all the rhinestone beads are hidden in Manhattan . . .


Even if the bedazzled apartment doesn't work out, at the very least Trump can rest comfortably knowing he'll always have a bowl of bitches around.
spindotdat
Mild Apprentice 4 spoiler: friend reports filming continues this Friday - in Coney Island. No more details yet. Anyone live near there? Email me.
Vermicious Knid
IRC, and considering my sinuses today there's no assurance of that at all, I think one gig is something to do with his new Las Vegas Trumpartment tower and the other is based in NYC.

It's not going to be Las Vegas. The jobs offered to the winners are for projects that Trump wants to get a publicity boost, as the job is really PR/spokesperson rather than CEO. Kelly is helping to get Trump Ice off the groud, Bill's working on the Chicago project that was running into lots of resistance. Trump Tower Las Vegas, or whatever he's calling the thing, has already sold out. No salesperson needed.
CheekyCricket
Trump Tower Las Vegas, or whatever he's calling the thing, has already sold out. No salesperson needed.

Interesting information. I'm sure Kendra would be amenable to a position in the New York area, since, as she pointed out in the boardroom, many of her Florida clients are from the Northeast, and I don't have any reason to doubt her statement. Kelly took the NYC position even though it was not in his immediate area (though as a West Point student, I'm sure he'd been down to the city a few times). Hopefully, the winner is smart enough to choose the position that will best benefit them in the long run, even if it requires relocating for a while.
jt9
However, if he wanted someone with raw abilities that needed molding and shaping, I think he would have chosen someone more like Andy.


Trump did give Andy a job. If there is any interest, I will find the article. It states that Trump had a change of hearts and hired Andy Litinsky (sp?).
jt9
Please don't double post.
jt9
Pretty please don't triple post.
Tegan Jovanka
It may not be the rout that we're all expecting.


I don't think it will be a rout. I think he'll give her kindness she may not deserve because she's a wife and a mother and he probably sees them as delicate creatures (unless he's divorcing them). He may insult Kendra over a few petty matters, perhaps something about Craig. But there's no way he will hire Tana after the George Pataki fiasco. I think last week was to show us why she loses, and this week he lets her down gently.
CheekyCricket
Trump did give Andy a job. If there is any interest, I will find the article. It states that Trump had a change of hearts and hired Andy Litinsky (sp?).

I believe Donald Trump, Jr. (Trump's son) hired Andy to do public relations. The article was over on the Media thread a few months ago, and maybe on Andy's thread too.

ETA: I couldn't find the article on Andy's thread, or the Media thread, although some early April posts on the Media thread referred to it. It's unclear whether he's doing PR, or working on the Trump Organization's development group, or both. Whichever, he wasn't hired to replace Kelly as the Apprentice.
rwwatcher
IIRC, there are plans for a Trump Tower in Phoenix.
Cooler
Oh well. I had my sights set on John tonight at the finale, but apparently he is up here in New York with his girlfriend, so I guess I can always flirt with Danny tonight. I will pump my friend/source for TA4 info and report back.

If anybody is interested....tomorrow night at Webster Hall (websterhall.com) there is a post TA3 cast party where all the apprentices are auctioned off for the Boys and Girls Club. You sit down with your person and chat for about 20 minutes or so, pictures, etc. I won't be going (too many bridge and tunnel people), but here is your chance to pay for a sit down with Alex and tell him what a bitch he is.
DeepInTheHeart
here is your chance to pay for a sit down with Alex and tell him what a bitch he is.
That is one privilege for which I would not pay. A chance to visit with Tara, Bren, Erin, Danny ... those might be worth $50.00 at least. (And no, I won't speculate on what Erin's going rate might be.)
bucketyell
Oh good lord, $50 to hear Danny sing at you for 30 minutes? NO thanks...

I'd LOVE to know what Erin's going rate is and just what is included in her package. Think Gene Simmonds might be the highest bidder?
AlmondEyes
I was curious as to whether any NY posters were going to the Webster Hall bash. While I won't be in the city this weekend, I still wouldn't have gone even if I would have been in town tomorrow nite. Don't think I need to pay for the privilege of seeing sucky people from tv in person. Because they'll probably suck just as hard.

Here's an idea for anyone who goes - take a bag of bitches and present them to Tana as a lovely parting gift . . . which she'll probably need after tonite's smackdown - oops, I mean finale.
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