CheekyCricket, I agree with the majority of your answers. Be sure to check the full explanation of the episode summary on nbcumv.com. Also, Kristen spoils what Tana put her in charge of in her Fishbowl interview.



I am basing this on Kristen's interview on Fishbowl and the picture of her and Brian standing before a Coke freezer at the event.



Something tells me that this is more along the lines of Tana's personality. I can almost hear her utter these words. Speculation, so take with a grain of salt.



I am basing this answer off Alex's Fishbowl interview. Alex said that Trump talks nothing but business and if the conversation veers off the topic of business, he finds a way to reel it back. Also, I get the feeling that Trump will say something along the lines of "Education is extremely important, but it means nothing without the business experience to go along with it. You must know the business in order to use your education to the fullest potential" or something.

I can't really see either Kendra or Tana crying after the task, nor can I see the sponsor offering Kendra a kiss (I'm going with "a job"). Otherwise I agree with CheekyCricket's answers modified with ghettofabman's alterations.

Well, there is that crying issue... I suppose tears of relief or joy are possible. Maybe Tana?

I am veering between that one, and the first one. I don't see her calling the task a "joke," given that it's connected to the Olympics. Perhaps she will say that "this task is a piece of cake" right before the missing flag is noticed? Based on some earlier discussion, I'm also wondering if this is a particular flag connected with 9/11?

One thing about the question regarding Kristen's task. I've only listened to part of the Fishbowl interview (thanks for the head's up, ghettofabman) because I can't stand hearing Kristen's voice for more than two minutes at a time, but I heard her say something like she was responsible for transforming the entire space into an Olympic-worthy athletic setting, or words to that effect. Which, I figured boiled down to banner design. But maybe I need to steel myself to listen to more of her interview.

Tears of relief and exhaustion, is what I was thinking. But to me, that question is a toss-up.

Trump will fire me."
Remember the Home Depot task Tana said" we are one minute away from you're
fired" In the vernacular as they say.

The answer to this question should be interesting. I can't see either PM crying at the end of the task either, but my guess is that it will be Tana. From the Pontiac task, we know that Tana needs her sleep. I'm thinking that Tana might cry tears of exhaustion and relief. I think it's unlikely to be Kendra, because she seemed really pumped after the all nighter she pulled on the Pontiac task.

Such an interesting question because the answers (one of which is correct) give some idea about how the show may turn out --

a. Dinner - too personal; very unlikely, but a compliment for sure.
b. An insult - unlikely; too unprofessional; Best Buy, Sony, etc. would express dissatisfaction or disappointment in less personal terms. (If this is the answer, disregard the rest of this post.)
c. A job - interesting possibility - something like "Hey, if things don't work out with Donald, you should come work for us." Would be a golden moment for Ms. Todd (Kendra).
d. A kiss and embrace - very likely; quick & spontaneous, no further committment like "dinner" or a "job." But still a strong endorsement of the performance.

What I see in these answers is that three out of four of them would be good news for Kendra and the fourth just seems unlikely. What I perceive in these possible answers is an indication that Kendra & team pull it together and achieve a good result (I'm figuring that Sony gets mollified with respect to the *yawn* supposed 'cliffhanger' with which the last episode ended.)

What I see for Tana out of these questions is that the Governor notices that an American flag is missing and points that out to Trump (flag + governor is much more likely to be at a city hoo-hah for the Olympics than at a video game tournament). That can't help her chances.

I think there are only two choices for #5. The reason I don't think it's a kiss is because the question is termed 'will offer'. I have a hard time seeing an executive saying 'Hey, can I have (give you) a kiss and hug please?' If it was a spontaneous action, there is a possibility.

I think its dinner or a job. I see dinner as inappropriate but so is a job. Its possible dinner is to celebrate and will include other people from the company.

I also think the crying question is a toss-up. The questions do make me think this will at least be an interesting episode. I also noticed this is the first time I believe that the questions are all worth the same, 10 points. That's always helped me to how hard the answer was by how much it was worth, so damn you Yahoo! I dropped 4 places last week but I'm still in top 50. I am predicting top 75 for me after this. Blah!

Thank you for the spoiler help ghettofabman. I would to add my thanks to everyone for making this season a lot more fun to watch, especially Miss Alli.

The Fish bowl interview with Kristen she talks about making the whole place look like the Olympics- Sounds more like Banner Design than Catering- Tana is doing the Athlete relations, and my guess Brian is food man. Brochure-no time for that.

Given your observations - I accept that these are the most likely --although I'm a bit reluctant to put great emphasis on something's being "offered" rather than "given." Still the choice of words is not to be ignored.

Offer of dinner, provided it includes "other people from the company" - could very well be. It is very common among business folks that, after some event or accomplishment, there be some sort of celebration to recognize those who have contributed.

Job - could be appropriate if done the way I guessed up top - in a joking fashion, "Hey if things don't work out with DT, give us a call!"

In any case, the range of answers (one of which must be correct) seems much more likely to indicate a good result for Kendra & Co. rather than a bad one.

On another note, did anyone in the audience attend either of these two events? It's not like either of these were small, private affairs.

Interesting discussion about question #5. I agree that, as the question is phrased, the word "offer" stands out.

I was just watching the Yahoo! extra video, including the scene where the EA rep and Danny come up with a good promotional idea for the charity fundraiser portion of the championship (gotta have a charity angle, I guess). The EA guy comes across like the sort of energetic, spontaneous person who might offer a quick hug and kiss after a successful event (to Kendra, not Danny, that is). The offer of a job, along the lines of "Hey, you can come work for us anytime!" also seems possible.

Another thing to consider by the word offer, is that it is declined or no response was given.

A job offer would probably be giggled at (if termed lightly), declined (if serious) or some other PC thing to say so as not to offend. The kiss and hug would probably be ok especially if it is obviously purely on a congratulatory level and not some greasy nasty pass. The dinner would also be agreed to I would think.

The reason I say it might be declined is because wouldn't the question be termed differently if it was actually an action and not an offer? They 'had' dinner, not offered. They shared a kiss and hug, not offered.

Insult isn't even in the running.

This puts 'job' out in the lead for me.

Complete disaster makes no sense for the finalists.
Very strong- High compliment. but firing a very strong candidate make little sense either.
Effective communicators- middle ground compliment for both.
Poor Motivators-middle ground put down.
Best here I think is effective communicators, what do you think?

However, DT doesn't "fire" the other person, he hires the one he wants. It can only be that much better if the choice is tough, rather than the lesser of two evils (if poor motivators, or if effective communicators is the best they can come up with).

Also - I'm thinking we shouldn't make as much out of "offer"ing a kiss vs. the other answers. I've used that vernacular before when the kiss and/or hug was given....I've actually not heard of it in an actual spoken, "can I kiss you?" offer so much as "The former beauty queen offered a kiss to the winner of the race...." which implies she actually gave him (or her!) the kiss. But I still think it's a job, like others who have said - if this doesn't work out you can work for us (or even in an interview, not directly to her).

I agree that DT might say this even though only one person will get hired. When he was choosing the final two and Craig was still in the room, didn't he say something like, "the interviewers had great respect for all three of you?"

I can totally hear Trump saying something like, "you are both very strong candidates and this is a tough decision."

I can also envision Tana saying that Trump will fire her, especially if it is taken out of context (e.g., "If I don't find this flag, Trump will fire me). Although Tana would probably say, "fire my ass." :-)

It's George and Carolyn that may say "Very Strong", I think they may not agree that both candidates are very strong (I can see DT say that though)

Yes, but this is Trump we're talking about. I believe "very" is his favorite word, so "very strong," in Trumpish, is an above-average compliment, not necessarily a high compliment, as it would be if spoken by someone less attached to hyperbole.

Also, and my memory of events a year ago is getting foggy, but in the final episodes, didn't Trump remark that he considered both Bill and Kwame "strong" candidates? --or "Very strong candidates. Very very strong candidates." I'm not trying to open a discussion of whether he truly felt that way, or whether his judgement was objectively sound, but there is a precedent for him calling both Kendra and Tana "very strong candidates."

As far as Carolyn and George, they're used to Trumpish exaggeration, so if they hear Trump say that both Kendra and Tana are "very strong" candidates, and they believe that Kendra and Tana are at least "strong" candidates, I can see them both nodding and assenting automatically, and then pushing for the candidate they prefer.

He's done it both ways. For TA1 he did NOT fire Kwame, he simply hired Bill. For TA2, however, he told Jen M. she was fired before he hired Kelly. I remember being very struck by the difference.

Oops! Thanks, pinkmamba!

Frankly, I can't see George saying that no matter how strong they both were. He's more the understated "both candidates did a good job" type.

FYI, disregard my time calculations for the bonus points! I just went back to change an answer (5:50pm Pacific time), and after saving the change my bonus dropped to 45%.

[Poor Todd got fired on day three, which was about September 28th, and had to stay until late November with everyone else. NBC takes away your money, cell phones, etc., ]

I'd appreciate if someone could educate me about the following.
I was led to believe that what we are going to see next week is a real live show, and that the candidates really don't know who won until the end of the show.
Does anyone know what the Apprentice rules are? Do the finalists wait for almost 6 months to know if they are hired? Can they work at this time, or does the Trump cover their expences?

The way I understand it, when filming finishes everybody returns to their normal lives. This is to protect the secrecy of who is the top 2 (it would be suspicious if Tana and Kendra went back and resigned or said I might be leaving in a few months depending on what Trumpy decides). So they get to sit around for 6 months not knowing whether or not they won. That would be the most anxiety-ridden 6 months for me!

This may have been posted already, but it's from www.nbcumv.com for this week's show:
I have another reason to dislike Tana.

Don't worry, coastcat. I also changed two of my answers earlier (about the same time you did 5:54 PM PT) and I also dropped to 45% bonus. Anywho, I thought about it and I believe some of the other posters convinced me.



Initially, I thought Kristen was gonna be the caterer since I believed that Tana would most likely assign a female the task of catering, but after viewing the E!B!F!, I changed my mind. I took it that Brian would be caterer since she said that he would be in charge of bringing her food. Also, whoever read into the Kristen Fishbowl interview when she said Tana put her in charge of turning the whole stadium into an Olympic stadium to mean that she would probably be putting up banners to show everyone where to go, I have you to thank for leading me into this direction.



Initially, I had put the kiss and embrace option, but after careful consideration, I decided to got with dinner because I somehow can imagine the sponsor offering to buy her dinner for a job well done. I picture the sponsor saying something along the lines of "Great job, Kendra. The rest of us are going out to dinner to celebrate a hard day's work, you wanna come with and grab a bite to eat??"

Now the question I have is that: Did they have time to design a banner? and would the design of the banner be left in the hands of Tana's team as opposed to the NYC Olympic committee?

There is a photo showing Chris unpacking a bunch of Banners/posters, If Kristen was only in charge of "decorating" why use the word "design".

link to photos, don't post them, thanks

When did they have the time (or the talent) to design 2 professionally looking banners? Now if Kendra was in charge maybe (ala Pontiac) but Kristen??!

Not to throw anyone in a tizzy, but there is a clip I saw somewhere of Tana looking at what I thought was a brochure or a flyer and saying something like "oh no, don't tell me they did this..."

I have liked that idea, but the more I've thought about it, the more I like the "grammar theory" that focuses upon "offer." You'd "invite" someone to "dinner"; you'd hardly "offer" "an insult"; you'd give, not "offer," "a kiss and embrace"; but you'd "offer" someone "a job." It's a thin reed, I know, but it is some basis for choosing "job." (Which would indicate - as three of the four possibilities do - that Kendra pulls it together . . . again.)

Meanwhile . . .Sounds like the WearableTech printing, Part II; I wonder if whiteout will fix a problem here.

Tana: Added to the info immediately above: (1) GOVERNOR Pataki expresses concerns to Trump; (2) a flag is missing; (3) Kristen screws something up; (4) one or both of the PM's is in tears by the end (which just by itself wouldn't mean much); (5) she thinks her teammates are idiots and hasn't been shown as delegating more than lunch duties to them; (6) it is at her venue that Trump cites "big mistake";

Kendra: (1) Sony rep was upset but that appears to be classic Mark Burnett misdirection; there is little more out there that indicates ultimate fallout - the probable answer to the Yahoo question is that the sposorship stays; (2) Danny was portrayed as initially foolish with the sponsors but the extra footage indicates that Kendra & Danny pulled it together and that Danny came up with good ideas (if they can sell off a chance to appear in EA's game for $50K ... wow); (3) Kendra seems to be making at least some constructive use of her team; at least, any lack of confidence in them is less pronounced than Tana's (which is obvious even to Carolyn); (4) probable that Kendra is getting a dinner invite, or a hug, or an off-the-cuff job offer.

I'm wondering if a spoiler thread even necessary at this point? Still, I'm eager to see how this all plays out in detail. I will be shocked and amazed if Kendra doesn't win this going away.

pinkmamba, that looks more like Brian than Chris. Look at the size of the guy's head and lack of neck. Also, you might wanna hyperlink the picture to avoid getting in trouble.

http://www.nyc2012.com/assets/EventImage/t51.jpg
see a photo from the NYC Olympics web site.

I do not think Kristen designed the banner! why use the word design when it was at best placed, or decorated? And designing a brochure??! that takes time and some talent!

and why would NBC care if we post a photo in a forum? How sic is that! forums like this one create a buzz for the show, they should be grateful to us.

pinkmamba -- If it's copyrighted material the following rule (from the Rules/FAQ section of TWoP) might apply:

I thought I sent this off once, but let's try again.

It was hard for me to believe that the NYC Olympic Committee would trust a small group of aspiring Apprenti to come up with the official event logo, so I took a look at the event photos on the NYC Olympic 2012 site here. It's clear that the logo used in the posters (I think they're posters, not banners) on the NBCUMV.COM site was designed months before the Apprentice task. For instance, the logo artwork appears in the photographs of the "Candidate City Announcement" held on May 18, 2004. There's also images of proposed Olympic event sites around the city which show various banners hanging overhead (probably computer-generated). So, I think the banners are probably based on the NYC 2012 logo, but are tailored to a specific event or category of events, for instances, swimming, diving, track and field, etc.

So cheeky you think it is possible that Kristen designed a banner or a brochure using existing artwork/logo/typeface supplied by the NYC Olympic committee?

I'm not Cheeky Cricket, but I agree that it's possible. It's not that difficult to do if you have the existing artwork for the logo to go to Kinko's and create a big banner on the spot or even to do so on one of the ever-present laptops the TAers carry about. All it takes is the digital file of the logo in question, figuring out text, fonts, and layout and voila! Especially since the colors for the event had to have been chosen so it wasn't exactly rocket scientist. IMO, of course, YMMV.

Thanks, goobaletta, you did the explaining for me. All I'll add is that of the four options, designing the banners is the only answer which makes sense of Kristen's remark in the Fishbowl interview that she was responsible for transforming the space into an Olympic athletic venue. Unless, of course, Kristen is BS-ing, which is certainly a possibility . . .

I have another question. I recall an interview with Carolyn earlier in the season where she makes a remark to the effect that something happens in the final task
that she never could have imagined. Now I can't find it. Does anyone else recall the remark, and recall when she made it?

I just realized (I'm slow sometimes) that the last 2 questions confirm that the boardroom is the ending of this episode. Knowing that, I have a feeling we, as the viewers, will obviously know who is going to win no matter how hard they try to edit. I imagine they'll do their best to make Kendra look bad with little errors and try to suppress Tana's many errors so it's suspenseful.

Since they end the show in the boardroom, that means we either have to suffer through audience/ex-cast mates interviews or a long recap. For some reason I had thought the final task was going to carry through to the finale. At least it's only 30-45 minutes of suffering instead of threehours.

I have read the posts about what Kristen did or didn't do at the task, is it confirmed that she did the banners or is this still speculation?

ETA: CheekyCricket, I remember that as well. I believe that was posted in the Media thread and it was blacked out because it was spoilerish. That might help you find out. I'll take a glance myself since my curiosity is aroused.

Source:By MAUREEN MORIARTY
SPECIAL TO THE POST-INTELLIGENCER
Apprentice 101: Even savvy Carolyn learns something from show
Monday, March 21, 2005
Posted at RTVOZ - p.2 The Apprentice 3. Media Items. Website Here

Boy oh boy, I just edited my answers because I can't make up my mind. For those of you wondering about bonus changes, it's now 10:45 am PST (24 hours later) and I am only going to get a 30% bonus. I hope it was worth it.

Nice work, Daltrim!!Since Carolyn was witnessing Tana's efforts, just how screwed is the hick from Iowa? Consider the Yahoo slide show for the task in which the phrase "leadership skills" shows several times for Tana, including one picture of a scowling Carolyn is captioned "Carolyn casts a critical eye on Tana's leadership skills during the crucial final task." (and Carolyn's stare at Tana is an extremely sharp questioning stare with folded arms - the body language is not favorable). I usually put little weight on Yahoo picture captions but when all the bricks are the same color it's pretty easy to tell what the wall is going to look like.

We shall see. I still think Tana is going to win despite it all.

And I don't think Tana is a hick. As a former beauty queen admirer, and current Hoosier, I know hicks....

Well, this is curious. I just checked out the Yahoo! site slide show here that DeepInTheHeart mentioned, and several of the photos also appear in the preview photos on the NBCUMV.COM site. Nice, since I can barely see the details in the NBCUMV.COM images. I don't know if this has happened before, meaning that Yahoo posts photos for an upcoming episode, but it's nice this time from a spoilerish perspective.

ETA: I went back to check for any sighting of banners at Tana's event, but most of the event photos picture Kendra's event: the photos of Tana's event only show close-ups of the team. Dang!

P.S. Thanks much, Daltrim, for finding the quote from Carolyn.

Cheeky: here is a link to NBC photo full size

http://www.nbc.com/photos/Primetime/The_Ap...e/2TAPrxN04.jpg

use the nbcumv site to get the name of the photo, you just need to replace the 2 letters rx, rw,rz,rv,rt,sa,ru ...etc from the jpg name from the link above.
so the photo name reads: 2TAPrxN04.jpg, 2TAPrwN04.jpg.....

http://nbcumv.com/entertainment/program_ph...apprentice.html

hope that helpes

Wow. There is also a caption that reads, "Tana's leadership skills prove to be an essential factor in the final task."

The caption regarding Carolyn and this one leads me to believe that Tana does not do so well on the task.

NBCUMV.COM has posted the longer preview here, but it doesn't provide much new information, although it does flesh out the original preview a tiny bit more. Here's the main section:

Also, we get a partial list of former Olympians doing exhibitions at the Olympic Athlete Challenge event, and learn that "Rap artist Fabolous" emcees the World Video Game Championship.

Thanks for the handy information, pinkmamba.

Interesting note on the NBCUMV site
and


Says something about what they think of the two guys.....

With regard to the differing descriptions of Kelly Perdew & Bill Rancic, it might be because Bill is no longer an apprentice. His year period has already ended, but Trump did offer him a job there upon completion of that year. I do wonder if he'll do the same with Kelly, though.

With regard to Tana's task to pull off a NYC Olympic 2012 event at Chelsea Piers - After visiting the Chelsea Piers website it looks like this task isn't that hard. They have great athletic (and banquet) facilities and they tout them as being "Olympic class". I can't imagine them not having an American flag.

Also went to the NYC Olympic 2012 website and the banners that we see in the photos are using the official logos and artwork that I saw on the site. There is also a listing of events and press info. This task is just one of many that will be going on throughout the year in NYC to qualify for the Olympics and impress the officials. Interestingly enough back in February there was a gymnastics event at Trump towers and there are photos of the Donald posing with the gymnasts.

I'm wondering that if Tana can't find an American flag, she thinks that Trump will fire her and she cries at the end of the task. Remember how unhappy she was when she lost the t-shirt task? She just moped around the apartment. But, who knows....

I might be reaching but it seems like they're (the NBC preview) having a hard time stating that Kendra's having problems, while Tana is 'struggling'. I know, it's reaching, but...

The bit about the missing American flag keeps sticking in my head. Flags and the Olympics go hand-in-hand, particularly during the opening ceremony, and the medal awards ceremonies. The newest preview mentions that Tana "has trouble locating an American Flag at a key moment." What key moment? The possibility that Governor Pataki notices it also makes me wonder. Either it's a flag with particular significance that has been lent for the event, which Pataki knows about, and doesn't see, or there's no flag present for the opening ceremony, which would be a big gaffe. Maybe the absence is noticed during a sound check/rehearsal, in which case Tana and crew would have a little time to locate a replacement.

I noticed that too, a bit above. I still think that what we're seeing in the NBCUMV photos are standard posters, not banners, judging by the relatively small size, and that the banners are much larger, and are designed to mark the individual events. I'm basing this more on my memory of past Olympic sites, though, than anything else.

Might it not be just an American flag that Tana cannot locate, might it be an American flag from 911?

That would be a hoooooge mistake if the case.

ETA: Clarity


Root canal+drugs+posting=smooth ride but incoherence.


My take, Patiki gave the event an American flag from one of the sites of 911, when he and Trump came, he noticed it wasn't flying.

It seems as is:

Kendra = very creative marketer, but zero management skills
Tana = very strong manager yet not a creative marketer the way Kendra is

Added together they make one good apprentice.

Beacuse there is so much speculation about the leadership issue, I am wondering if Kendra gets the boot because she has not demonstrated the strong leadership that Tana has?

Hardly a "spoiler," but worth a comment:Putting together all the pieces, methinks we'll see the exact opposite of this summary with respect to "management skills" in the final task.

BTW: Kendra managed FUSE auction just fine; her last two teams (with Beavis & Butthole) were not going to be managed, at least not by her. From the available evidence, she seems to have gotten her final crew working constructively. (See especially the Yahoo footage on Danny.)

Tana - strong manager? I don't remember how critical her role was on "Business on Wheels" but I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. American Eagle seemed to go reasonably ok (though the other team self-destructed) even if her "management skills" had them daubing white-out on shirts at the end. Otherwise, I can't think of anything she "managed" other than bombing the T-Shirt task. The "buzz" on her and only her final task keeps emphasizing "leadership skills" (or the lack thereof). All things will be revealed in due time . . . .

Remember at the Salt Lake Winter Olympics, when they brought out the tattered flag recovered from Ground Zero (in NYC)? If it's something like that that should be part of the ceremonies (in NYC) and isn't -- ouch.

Finally, upthread, when I referred to the "hick from Iowa," I only meant to be quoting Tana herself. "I may be just a hick from Iowa, but I'll take you down." (said after the American Eagle win).