I think it's going to come down to interpretation. Do we know for sure the idea was stolen? I could see a scenario in which the following happens. Magna under the leadership of what seems to be Tana looks online to generate ideas and to brainstorm. Maybe they aren't looking for a product to copy but to get ideas. They create something very similar but not exact to an existing product. Networth thinks the idea is solen, Magna doesn't because it's not exactly the same. NBC and Trump don't care, Magna wins.

Here's the other thing with Magna copying a product. If they did, wouldn't Staples, the biggest office supplier in the business, know immediately if a product was stolen? Have you seen their catalog? It's huge. If it was really such a blatant rip that Staples already carried on their shelves off why would Staples declare them the winner?

Unless spoilers say otherwise, I see this one coming down to interpretation.

Lastly, what the hell is Craig doing? While I will be happy to see Tana back to form, what does Craig think he is going to gain by letting Tana be PM and him shirking responsibility once again? Does he really think The Box is the only big idea he needs for the whole season? I'm not sure the Alliance theory holds. Why would Craig waste his time to make it into the Final Three and then NOT try to win? It makes no sense. What was his point for coming on the show in first place then. Obviously he would want his friend Tana to win over Kendra, but still makes little sense on his part.

He may have a plan--allying himself to a stronger candidate in order to survive to the end--but that doesn't mean that his plan will turn out to be successful or especially well-thought-out. Especially since, in the Home Depot episode, Tana demonstrated that she won't automatically support him. I find it hard to determine what Craig thinks, really, except that he dislikes Kendra. Of course, I found it hard to understand what Tana was thinking last week, too, because she didn't do herself any favors; at least she has a stronger track record to fall back on. At some point in the competition, as the numbers dwindle, the survival urge must kick in, so that most of the candidates just try to get through as far as they can, and so their decisions become rooted in emotion as much as reason. That's the only way I can understand some of their choices . . .

He's probably wondering about that as well - as he watches himself being edited to look like a shirking, bitchy, condescending, mumbling, bumbling, one-hit wonder, asshole.

It'd be great to hear Tana and Craig in the bedroom whispering about sabotaging Kendra at some point. If it's happened (I think it has), Trump knows about it already and Kendra will win this all for continuing to succeed when constantly being set up to fail.

I'd love to hear Trump call Tana on it during the finale boardroom. Tana’s smug ass thinking she did great on the final task only to be fired for being an unethical, sneaky bitch who tried to steal someone else’s thunder while Kendra sits there shocked. Good TV!

We have already heard Kendra plotting against Tana and Craig, which Trump may already know about. In Episode 10, after Tana and Craig were moved to Magna, I quote from Miss Alli:

Actually, if you look at that scene, Alex and Bren do all the talking. Kendra wasn't shown saying anything at the time (smart move whether she's with them or not) and I didn't see her "sort of snot in an interview" that they're on a winning streak.

She's got kind of a whiny way of speaking, but the fact was...they were doing well, with or without T&C. Imo, there was nothing wrong with reflecting on that in her interview.

So...I really haven't seeb any "plotting" against them on her part at all. On the contrary, she seems to be trying hard to work with them, even though Craig shoots down everything she suggests. She even gave the impression T&C had helped with the brochure when she presented (using "we" and "our").

I think she was quite generous to them, even when she could have easily implied to Trump and Pontiac how very, very little they had contributed.

Yeah, except that doesn't sound like Trump at all. For one thing, I'm hard pressed to remember him firing anyone for being unethical, as you call it. If I'm wrong, someone please remind me. When Sandy brought up Andy plotting against her last year in the suite, that's not what he got fired for. What he got fired for was that Sandy and Jen outdebated him in the boardroom. The Donald cares much more about what happens in the boardroom than plotting in the suite.

Two, there is lots of plotting that goes on behind the scenes. Do you really think Tana and Craig are the only two in the history of Apprentice to possibly hold a private conversation in the suite about other contestants? I don't think so. If they did, I don't think The Donald would even care. It's business. People talk behind each other's back in the business world.

Trump didn't care that Jen M. hijacked Ivana's presentation last year. In fact, Jen M. got praised for it! Why would it work any differently for Tana.

In fact, I get the impression that if Kendra were to bring up Tana and Craig plotting against her in the boardroom, Trump would tell her to grow up because that's what the business world is all about. I also think Kendra is smart enough to not bring it up in the boardroom for that reason.

Tana and Craig *had* been working with Kendra on the brochure for many hours, maybe about 20 (guestimate) before she stopped assigning tasks to them and starting keeping the project to herself, apparently sometime in the middle of the night. She ought to thank them. Tana and Craig are not quitters, but they're not stupid either, and they're not about to let Kendra waste their time by making them stay up all night just to sit around and do nothing.

Well, for one thing, Ivana started and was doing a horrible job when Jen M jumped in (and presented much better).

In Tana's case, she started out (probably without the PM planning on it) and sounded terrible.

Unlike Ivana, Kendra seemed perfectly capable of presenting well and seemed to do a good job with it.

(Also, the verdict's still out whether JenM was trying to grab credit or simply trying to save the floundering Ivana. In Tana's case, it is a lot less ambiguous).

Yes, but Trump has also rarely been shown to care what happens on the winning team. As far as he's concerned, a win is a win and I don't think he cares how they get there. The only ones he calls "losers" are well, not to sound completely stupid, are those that lose.

I also can't remember him ever harping back to something that happened on winning team as a reason or means to fire anyone. I think Kendra might pull out the big win, but I don't think Tana's being unethical or hijacking Kendra's presentation will have anything to do with it.

Seems like we've moved away from the spoiler thread a tad with this discussion. I kept it here because I thought it might be a reason why Trump wouldn't hire Tana in the finale. She tried to force a loss in my opinion so they could blame Kendra for failure. That's not good business in my opinion.

If anyone wants to continue this in speculation, I think I can show the differences between some of the other candidates whispering about a strategy win vs. sabotaging deliberately. I don't feel I've ever seen someone on this show throw a task to get at the PM.

I think Cheeky said it well earlier about the upcoming episode by saying it's everyone's perception (interpretation) as well as editing vs. the truth in what we think.

I think T&C (appropriate to call them this these days) viewed her as a threat, rightly so, and tried to lose on purpose to be able to throw her at the wolves. They didn't expect her to succeed without them.

I'm sorry this has moved away from Spoilers. One last thing and I will stop.

The reason I don't think it will effect the outcome is because you'd have to prove that Tana and Craig purposely threw the mission and that's pretty damn hard to do. How can you prove such a thing? There are plenty of people on this board alone who aren't convinced of that, myself being one. If there were whispered bedroom conversations, we would have heard them by now. There is no way editing wouldn't have included them in the show because that would lead to more drama which is what they want. Plus if Trump were to call Tana out on these so called conversations later without the viewers having seen them on the show, the viewer would feel cheated and violated in that they hadn't been given all the information in the first place with which to make a proper decision.

Obviously if Trump knows what went on up until this point, he can't care all that much because if the spoilers are accurate he has two more opportunities to fire Tana and doesn't. He doesn't fire her in the last task when her and Alex lose. He doesn't fire her after the interviews. I'm pretty sure Carolyn and George, his eyes and ears, don't want him to fire her. That means they can't be all concerned about her supposed sabotage of a teammate.

Since now it can stay in spoilers I'll respond why I'm still speculating on the possibility T&C deliberately tried to get Kendra to lose as PM.

Trump needs it to be two females in the finale to keep his viewers. Who knows why the public needs it so much. I sure could give a shit if it's 10 more men who get hired, as long as they’re the right 10, but the public seems to disagree. They want a woman no matter how shitty they act.

So if T&C threw that task on purpose, they wouldn't show it in editing, because then the public would ask why didn't he fire horse-face earlier. I try to believe Tana hasn't been as horrible as Craig, Alex or Bren. But after last task, I wonder why she's managed to stick around. The editing has shown, even though she was the 2nd best female, because the rest sucked ass, she wasn't exactly spectacular. They continue to show Kendra as the marketing genius.

I think it's been reasonably shown that Trump needed the females to end up on opposing teams in the final four and he found the best 2 and picked when needed who’d go to which team and let PM’s pick at other times.

I think any other contestant would've failed as PM this last task the way T&C acted. They edited it to show us that. Yet she won. It's the most obvious foreshadowing I've seen on this show in my opinion which is why I waited so long to change my Fantasy pick to Kendra. I kept thinking they were going to go for shock value. Hire the MILF who didn't exactly lead, yet she was a chick. Kendra has actually had some good ideas in many of these tasks.

The editors may or may not know already who will win based on final task performances (someone may really get screwed by ex-Apprenti). Hence, they show Kendra and Tana in the lights they've been shown and give us a shocker, or give us the obvious.

Alliances haven't really worked well on this show. It's not like other reality shows. You get to the final 6 and immediately in the boardroom, alliances break down.

T&C saying together they can't handle being awake past 2am is very weak. In my opinion, if there wasn't an alliance, one of the two would've stuck it out and left the other out to dry if they really wanted to win. They both bailed on the PM and went to bed? That's fishy in my opinion.

I was pretty shocked two went to bed one team without the task even being close to done while only one napped on the other team in the midst of the task. Even acknowledging Tana has immunity, I think real players would’ve stuck it out a lot longer.

I am not trying to talk anyone into seeing my belief. Just a hunch. Being in this forum helps me see other’s perceptions which is always wonderful.

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Yeah, I think the Norwegian Dawn bit is more "spoiled pimportunity" than "spoiler" . . .

The point would be more convincing to me if the men were any good. Love 'em or hate them, Kendra and Tana have both consistently outperformed all the men in both leadership and execution. Apart from the "it's time for a woman to win" idea, both of these women deserve to be final two.

Ditto to what Mowgli said. I, alas, have reached the point again where I don't really care and when I feel that no matter the winner, they fully deserve Trumpy and his supreme assiness.

I do admit, however, I totally ENVY those who get to spend quality time with George and Carolyn.

Any word on a play by play description for this week? The spoiling was so good last week that I just watched the task and changed the channel before the boardroom because I didn't want to feel any sympathy for Chris.

This is the spoiler thread. It's for spoilers only.

This is the spoiler thread. It's for spoilers only.

I'm 90% sure the Norwegian Dawn thingy is a reward for TA4. It times out well as a reward for the second or third task. TA4 is filming, now, in NYC. Hasn't anybody seen anything they can spoil here?

ETA: RhondaGC posted an article on the media thread, that the ship was to make an appearance on Sunday morning, April 17. TA4 started filming April 13. Going by typical schedules, that means that the ship was not being used for a reward, but as part of task 2 of cycle 4. Designing a cruise ship brochure? I wonder if we'll ever find out - looks like the ship never made it.

The Yahoo sneak preview video is now available: "Bren Tastes Blood"

We start off with the Aspiring Corporate Weasel Death Watch: Kendra thinks Chris will be fired, Tana and Craig agree it'll be Bren. Tana interviews that Bren is pretty useless. As we already knew, Kendra was correct. Tana looks a little pissed at his return. Alex and Bren talk about the boardroom. We get confirmation that it is in fact Bren saying he feels lower than whale crap.

The editors focus on Bren's handling of the boardroom - he says he avoided being a wiseass or otherwise smarting off to Donald and the Viceroys.

We end with a Bren confessional: "I have bit my tongue on numerous occasions throughout this process. Quite frankly I'm tired of the blood in my mouth. Then again, maybe the blood in my mouth is just making me thirsty for more."

Ninety seconds into the episode, and the anvils are dropping like bird crap on a Tennessee lawyer's head...

So perhaps we can assume that Bren does get testy in the boardroom, presumably over the Magna originality issue. He's going down, but he's going down fighting in proper prosecutor fashion. This should be a much better BR than last week's sobfest.

Have we gotten any word yet on how the Apprentices will be paired off for the Beefy T task next week?

Aaaaaand because I'm not emotionally invested enough in this show to care about being spoiled for the episodes, here I am in this thread. Interesting stuff.



Heh. Too bad Tana hasn't witnessed Alex's uselessness for the past several tasks.

Bren strikes me as being a proud man who isn't used to shutting up and staying quiet when he gets lambasted...and while Chris was all, "Mr. Trump doesn't like my chaw habit/temper problem, so I need to change my behavior for him," Bren might just say, "Screw you, home." Do we know who the PM for Net Worth will be this episode? I can't imagine how the weasel Alex manages to escape firing again, unless Bren (a) personally botches the task in a yooge way, and/or (b) really mouths off and irritates TD. I could see Bren harping on Magna's lack of originality, Trump telling NW to drop it, and Bren stubbornly refusing to budge. (Thinking back to the most recent episode and Bren's obsession with that tag in the interior of the Pontiac, it occurs to me that he may sometimes have these odd fixations he won't let go of) In any case, I'm looking forward to boardroom fireworks, even though it'll most likely be a let-down. Sigh.

Yep. Alex and Tana will be NetWorth while Craig and Kendra will be Magna. Magna wins (I really don't know how they manage this given their rocky relationship) and Alex FINALLY gets the axe.

Thanks, coastcat, I just watched the Yahoo! video preview. Bren promises to make a big bang before he exits. This is one preview that I hope pans out. Interesting that Alex refers to Chris as a "good friend," and that he feels like the mood is changing after Chris' firing.

I'm having a harder and harder time seeing Tana's good side, especially after last week, and now, hearing her high-handed dismissal of Bren. I admire her as an excellent worker but I just don't like her, and if she does end up winning the whole contest, I hope that she gets taken down a few pegs in the process.

I was told this by my friend/source at Mark Burnette/NBC: Tonight, Trump is leaning towards Bren in the boardroom. It is his second time to Alex's third, but overall, Bren has the edge with his work ethic (last week, Alex sleeping, etc.). The turning point is when Alex says something like...Mr. Trump, I am hungry for this (job). Bren in turn, did not kiss his ass and sacrifice his pride. So Bren got fired. It will be interesting to see the editing tonight. Alex only saves his ass for 3 days, then he gets fired.

FYI...the candidates were told there was no appreciation to be given to the actual cost of making the product for tonight, so Bren and Alex came up with something that was about 100.00 to maunfacture. Kendra/Craig/Tana came up with something around 10.00, and that difference was noted in the decision. My friend said it became really obvious at this point, that they were securing the top 3 of Tana/Kendra/Craig for PC reasons.

Also, FYI...what my source does is actually work behind the scenes in and next to the suite the candidates are in. They are monitoring all the fixed cameras at one time, all the time, in case they need to go in with the individual camera for more /additional shots when something interesting comes up (drama).

My friend invited me, not their spouse to attend the finale in May, so I may get hammered and spill what I have been doing on TWOP...can't decide.

Aha! Very interesting. This may be part of what sets Bren off in the boardroom.

As much as I hope that this isn't correct, I suspect that it may well be . . .

I wouldn't doubt that in the least. However, even if it weren't I can't really think of anybody else this year besides Angie who IMO was wrongly fired. I don't think Craig necessarily deserves it, but the other two do.

It also has to be playing into their favor that the Networth guys keep screwing up so badly. You'd almost think they're throwing the tasks on purpose.



I can see where that might piss Bren off but to me it again shows the stupidity of Networth (Bren and Alex). Even if cost wasn't supposed to be a factor, Staples when making a decision about a product to eventually mass produce is naturally going to favor a product that costs them almost nothing as opposed to one that costs them ten times as much. I'll bet you anything that's also part of why Magna kept the price so low.

Even though it may seem to be for PC reasons, I think Kendra, Craig and Tana are much better than Alex and Bren. Although I like Bren the best, personality wise, he really should have been fired for the Dove fiasco. And Alex is just ugh.

I have to agree. I don't particularly care for any of the three (they all have discpicable qualities, most of all Craig), but they are all intelligent. If I had to choose from the remaining Apprenti, they would be my picks.

You can keep phrases like "PC dream" to yourself. It's incredibly insulting, and all it's going to do is start fights. Don't do it.

I apologize for terminology and won't use it again but I wasn't saying it because I believe in the concept or that I think its right for Trump to do so if it is intentional. We've already widely discussed the fact that it seems Trump and NBC want an all woman final. We've widely discussed that they probably want a non college vs. college final. I'm not understanding the offensive part since I'm not advocating anything.

I also clearly stated that at least two of the three still deserve to be there and that I think Networth are idiots.

No, Cooler, don't do it! Keep the spigot flowing...

Yeah, Cooler. Please don't spill.....we need you for The Apprentice 4!!!!

ETA: Cooler, can you get the dirt on next week's Beefy T task early?? Perhaps your friend can offer an explanation as to how do Craig and Kendra manage to win a task with all of that fighting and feuding. I am just dying to know. Also, can your friend clue us in on why there is much hostility between Craig and Kendra??

Despite the fighting, I can see how Craig and Kendra manage to win anyway. Tana has gotten just a wee bit big for her britches lately, plus she would assume that C&K are too absorbed in fighting to present much of a challenge. Alex is a lousy follower and worse leader. Complacent plus incompetent will lose to combative yet determined. Also, Kendra would be aware that this was her last chance to make a big impression on Trump, and there's no way she would let a little mutual loathing sidetrack her from winning.

It would be quite interesting if C&K start off the Beefy-T task fighting as usual (yeah, cooler, can you find out the origins of this blood feud?), but then Tana ticks off Craig by smirking about how he and Kendra haven't got a chance against her and Alex. Craig seeks out a grim but civil detente with Kendra so they can kick Net Worth's ass and prove that they didn't need Tana to win. Hey, it could happen.

Whatever you choose to do Cooler, I'd like to say thank you for all you've brought to us to learn. It's been a pleasure. On that note, I'd like to say thanks to everyone who brings tidbits of information to this thread. Wonderful place this thread.

Since we're saying requests, I'd really love some confirmation on the cocaine use. I'm sticking with Angie if it was the latter people. Brian or Michael if earlier in the season. Someone working on the show must know if it's true. Angie was fired at such an odd time, that's why I think it was her. I don't believe it was Chris. To me, his emotions are clearly psychological, not drug-induced. Anyone know for sure?

Is it just me, or did they clearly, CLEARLY spoil the final two in the promo? We saw Kendra and Craig in a cab, bitchin at each other! They get fired! Fuck!

Kenn, Kendra and Assmaster II:Electric Craig-who? were seemingly fighting during he task. The lighting seemed all wrong for a cabterview, and there is not going to be a double firing at this stage. Plus, cooler has already let us know it's Kendra and Tana in the final 2.

I don't think so. Per the promo blurb at NBCUMV for the week after next there are three who go through the interview process, so only one gets fired next week.

I think there may be a spoiler, but I don't think that's it. Instead, if you zapruder the preview you will see there are two "flashes", which, which viewed frame by frame, turn out to be black and white pics of Tana on the phone (behind a sign that says Net Worth--possibly a spoiler that she changes teams again next week) and Kendra doing, well, nothing. The guys are both shown as well, but their pics are in color and are much longer (can be seen without doing frame by frame.) It may be nothing, but I suspect it may be a tiny spoiler.

AmberDawn, WOW to your fantasy ranking.

I moved up to 28 this week! Highest I've ever been ranked in fantasy anything!

Somewhat on topic: Did Trump really say at the beginning there were no exemptions anymore? I thought he let them have it if there were still tasks and no interviews yet.

Zapruder? Can you please explain that term? That's a new one for me.

Is it just me, or was there really no indication of any 'stolen concept' shown as stated in the spoilers? Yes, I saw Bren stating Craig had a brochure. But other than that, what else was mentioned? If I saw wrong, please correct me, but I never saw him say a word in the boardroom about a patented product.

Kendra rocked again as only one could based on the fact that they all are weak in different ways. I got 9/10 out of Fantasy and moved up to 53. AmberDawn you still rock as always. Thank you to Cheeky (I think) for showing me the light on the Bren 'whale crap' comment. I got a decent bonus for seeing that fast. The questions were a little easiler based on spoilers and perception, so many of us should've moved up.

If you ask me, they are showing Alex in a better light than Tana. They all three suck in the editing, yet somehow it's Alex who leaves next week. Why show Tana in such a bad light if she's final two? That's interesting if you ask me. I don't expect it to be obvious, but they haven't really stressed the obvious like before.

If they think we'll fall for Tana's horse face sweetness while she obviously connives her way through the tasks, they're wrong. Tana's been shown as weak and horrid throughout the last few weeks. Why would we believe Alex is worse? Craig, yes. Alex? Not so sure.

Congrats to both of you!! I just moved up from 1367 to 240 in the past two weeks!!! I wanna break into the top 100, hopefully, Tana can pull of a win somehow so I can get some mad points. (Pretty impressive starting from week 5 to now.)

Cooler, one more question regarding the final task....who comes back to help who on the last task before the final boardroom??

Congratulations! At least I moved back into the top 100 . . . (not that I'm complaining, since I could always fall out next week).

Yes, he did. But I think that he did the same thing the past two season, i.e., took away the PM's exemption award for the last task. Smart Kendra, to get herself guaranteed for the final three . . .

No, there was no hint of that, and since Magna's product didn't look particularly original to me, but more or less like things I've seen on the market, I was puzzled by the reaction of the Staples executives. But, probably we'll never know . . .

Yes GreenBean227 Trump did say no more exemptions. I think this is only fair sine we know Tana moves to Networth leaving Craig and Kendra on Magna. If Craig was exempt he could deliberately sabotage the task and Kendra is gone.

YourNightmare Zapruder was the name of the man who was filming a home movie during the Kennedy assassination. His film was what started the grassy knoll theory.

I keep forgetting that there's a whole generation who might not get that reference immediately. I was in my 4th period junior high class in Dallas when the President was shot, so we followed the whole thing thru all the conspiracy theories and such.

Great reference, Rhonda. Gives a whole conceptual image with one word.

... and "to zapruder" means to go over a film (etc.) frame-by-frame, obsessively analyzing every still, in search of further information/evidence for whatever...
(the background is all those who went over the Zapruder film frame-by-frame to find evidence to support/deny any particular theory of who shot JFK)

Celebrated Pop Artist Burton Morris to Appear on ``The Apprentice''; April 28 Episode Presents Artful Challenge in Trump's 16-Week Job Interview. I found this while looking for TA related stories. It doesn't offer much information, but it is interesting nonetheless.


Originally this release said "the governor of New York City" but someone caught it and sent out a correction right quick.

This is what I'm thinking for the order of the final tasks--

April 28--Beefy T task Alex fired
May 5-- Interviews, Craig fired/begin final task
May 12-- Final task footage
May 19--Live finale

This is my only reasoning for 17 episodes and the May 19th finale, which is definite. What do you think?

Also, I'm super excited because I moved up to #16 (!!!!) in the Fantasy game.

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Congrats to all who moved up in Fantasy.

Thanks to those who answered my Zapruder question. That is amazing knowledge. It's been awhile but one of you actually made me feel young today because I have never heard that before. Hopefully, one day I'll get that card in Trivia Challenge. My goal is to figure out the soonest I can use it in conversation. Snicker.

I think your rundown looks good Suza271. They may leave a little of the final task scenes for the finale or just recap it all at the beginning. The main thing is that it's a one-hour finale. If I had to sit through Regis again I would scream and probably not watch it. Last season I think I watched from the point of the decision until the end. The interviews and Regis were way too obnoxious. Not even a pint of tequila could numb that pain.

I wish Craig was getting fired before Alex. Damn you Magna (Kendra) for continuing to win. Will next week make it 9 in a row? I lost count.

ETA: Yes it's 9.

Does anybody have any info on how they are going to divide the teams for Apprentice 4