Miss Alli
Feb 1, 2004 @ 8:04 am
I disagree. I think that if he has had that web site for a while, and if it's always had a link to his resume, there's no way he'd take it down as a result of the show, even if he won. In fact, it might very well be specifically there to mislead. Furthermore, even if he got the job, it's not permanent, so if people are watching the show thinking, "I like that guy; I'd hire that guy," he'd want them to have a way to read his background materials.
gogobaby
Feb 1, 2004 @ 9:29 am
Regarding Kwame and Goldman, we know Bowie Hogg and his family. He had to quit his job and not accept another during the the time leading up to the show and perhaps the run of the show. (I guess he could now that the axe has dropped). I would imagine that is part of a standard contract for the contestants.
But, you know, if these contestants were winnowed down from 250,000 applicants, and they were the top 16 -- and with such breathtakingly high IQs (smirk) wouldn't the Donald want to hire all of them? Certainly his organization can absorb the 16 brightest young business-people in America. Assuming they want to be assimilated. Seems like the exposure could get you a better paying gig, without the Donald.
DariaG
Feb 1, 2004 @ 12:02 pm
The Donald implied in a USA Today interview that he wanted to hire the final five. So I think he wanted to hire five of them, because he didn't say two or sixteen or some other number. And after the show, he very well might hire five of them. Or try to.
archer1267
Feb 2, 2004 @ 12:45 am
Kwame's web site
http://www.kwamejackson.com has a 'Hire Kwame' link to his resume. This is an indication that he does not have a job working for Trump.
Well, Bill Rancic indicates on his web site (ditto Sam and Bowie) that he's available for appearances. It's possible - if Kwame is the last guy standing (I don't think he is) - that he's open to public speaking gigs. Who knows?
lovinbob
Feb 4, 2004 @ 1:15 pm
is the unholy alliance definitely sexual? I could see Nick and Assorama being considered an unholy alliance -- they are both the most hated members of their respective teams. But good god, I could *not* see them hooking up!
DariaG
Feb 4, 2004 @ 3:26 pm
is the unholy alliance definitely sexual?
When Trump discussed it in USA Today, he was unclear about that. The alliance is definitely between a man and a woman. And he mentioned it in response to a question about any romance developing. But the answer was such that he could have been deflecting the question with a marginally related answer.
So I don't think we know. I will guess that it is, however. On the other hand, with all of them in the same huge suite with dorm-style rooms, I can't imagine there are many opportunities for much beyond a quick kiss in a hallway. But I suppose anything is possible.
The Man Who Loves Women
Feb 4, 2004 @ 3:29 pm
Tying your tube-top around the doorknob is the "signal"
Maxwell
Feb 5, 2004 @ 10:51 am
is the unholy alliance definitely sexual? I could see Nick and Assorama being considered an unholy alliance -- they are both the most hated members of their respective teams. But good god, I could *not* see them hooking up!
Besides, isn't Oh-masrosa married?
GranolaMommy
Feb 5, 2004 @ 3:48 pm
The TV Guide does say "two candidates begin a romance. " for next week. Dunno for sure if it the same unholy alliance though
Blitzkrieg0850
Feb 5, 2004 @ 4:13 pm
Not sure this qualifies as "Speculation", but it's closer than anything else in any other thread:
Go to www.nbc.com, check out the application to be part of The Apprentice 2. I'm not kidding.
networkinggirl
Feb 5, 2004 @ 4:13 pm
Hmmm...the love that I dare not speak it's name....
My guess? Omarosa and Ereka are the "unholy alliance."
Geez...I'm tingly just thinking about it.
pistachio
Feb 5, 2004 @ 5:10 pm
The best part of the application?
You must not have appeared as a contestant in more than two (2) television competition reality-based shows within the last five (5) years ... you may not have appeared as a contestand on more than one (1) television competition reality-based shows within the past twelve (12) months
Miss Alli
Feb 5, 2004 @ 5:18 pm
Hahahahahahahahahahaha . . . that is indeed completely hilarious.
nea1982
Feb 5, 2004 @ 10:58 pm
Nick and Jessie are *so* involved and working to shave off members of their teams. Next week, they will try to sabotage VersaCorp and oust Bill. Nick wants to be in control, and he will be the only man once Bill is gone.
Beelzebubba
Feb 5, 2004 @ 11:45 pm
Just going from the end teaser, I think they made it very apparent Protege loses again and Heidi gets the boot. The clip starts out with, "Heidi survived the board room, but so did Omarosa. But now Omarosa will lead the team." Then it switches to *blah blah blah romancecakes*. Then the boardroom firing teaser.
DT clearly says to the firee, "You were rude. You ARE rude."
Although I think rude fits both of them, Omarosa leading might be another attempt at a Sam-firing, which the Donald has seen before and may not go for again, even though they lose. And Heidi may be overt about spiking Oma's guns.
And also Heidi IMO has consistantly shown as rude, where Omarosa has been standoffish, bitchy but not in an in-your-face way like Heidi was tonight as soon as she realized that she had to go to the boardroom. So I'm thinking it's another loss for Protege with Heidi as the boot. But either of them goes and I'm a happy kid.
columbiatch
Feb 6, 2004 @ 11:13 am
I swear I read somewhere that next week a "flirtation" develops between members of the opposite teams. Did anyone else see that listing?
RhondaGC
Feb 6, 2004 @ 11:27 am
Donald has been widely quoted as saying that he would have been willing to hire any of last five candidates, because he thought they all had potential: At this point I've gotta' say that I'll be totally shocked if it isn't these five:
Troy--Despite what some think about him being "simple" I think he has by far the best management qualities--as mentioned above he not only seems level-headed and intelligent (his "dirt" excursion aside, which I'm still not convinced wasn't done in jest), but also arguably gets along with people as well as if not better than anyone else. He's a motivator and he's positive. I would follow him unquestioningly.
Bill--A lot of what I said for Troy is also true, although he may not have quite the people skills. He still gets along well and is a team player. And he's always been the MVP of the guys in any task he's done.
Amy--I don't think I need to ennumerate her good qualities. Even Nick was smart enough to realize she is by far the best of the women and quickly snatched her up for his team (and perhaps for himself? Hmmm . . . next week will tell!)
Omrosa--As much as I have disliked her at times, I have to say that she does have some important qualities of a leader--she is very articulate and intelligent, that much is obvious. She does tend to be fairly level-headed and I could see her managing people well (although she doesn't necessarily get along with them well). She'd be more the type of leader that people fear rather than like, but that sometimes works. I think she'll be around until the very end.
Nick (or Kwame)--I'm waffling on the last one because I can't decide between these two. At the moment I'm leaning toward Nick, as much as I like Kwame. But as several have pointed out Kwame is more style than substance. He's very polished, intelligent and articulate, but I'm not sure he's got the stuff of a high-level executive. Word to whoever said he'd be great in middle-management. Nick worries me some because he seems like someone who would cut another person's throat without a backward glance, but then I suppose some of that is necessary in the real business world. But I'm not ruling Kwame out as yet. The next week or two will be telling.
pistachio
Feb 6, 2004 @ 1:33 pm
I'd be pretty surprised if anyone but Bill won this. He is the only contestant who has not had a bad moment make it to an episode. Donald I am sure wants his next president to be well respected so will be very careful about editing out any questionable moments.
(And I am not just saying this because he is HOT HOT HOT :))
Meady
Feb 6, 2004 @ 1:37 pm
I think Amy has a good shot at this as well. She has good business sense and negotiation skills and she is very creative. Bill is definitely the best of the men.
Next week, I am speculating that Omarosa wins one for Protege. I think this project is tailor made for her and she will excel in spite of her rather lackluster teammates.
networkinggirl
Feb 6, 2004 @ 2:58 pm
I think the "corporate re-ahiff;e" wasn't somuch about evening out the genders but about Trump wanting to find common denominators.
He wants to see who ends up of the winning teams the most and under what leadership.
I think he'll choose new teams every week for the next 7 weeks, with everyone being a PM twice.
My guess is that Tammie and Omarosa will lead next week and they will both pick their own teams. Omarosa will win. And she'll pick Ereka for her team for no othe reason that if she loses she'll want to bring Ereka in the boardroom with her.
WalkThruMyGloom
Feb 6, 2004 @ 3:24 pm
My guess for this "romance" would be Nick and Katrina based on last night's episode. Katrina must like seeing the smug grin on Nick's face. If not those two, I'd say Troy with anyone of the ladies because he is so damn sweet.
MadelenaS
Feb 6, 2004 @ 3:44 pm
It does seem like next week's task is perfectly suited to Omarosa's strengths but the Donald making the "you were rude, you are rude" makes me think he is directing it to Heiddi meaning that Protege loses again.
I think Katrina is engaged. She had that big rock on her finger when she was sitting, or posing, on the wing of the airplane for the ad project.
I'm predicting Nick and Amy for the romance, based upon info on the spoiler thread as well as his quickness in choosing Amy. Even Donald trump noted the speed with which he named Amy first. The previews made it seem that the romance, or alliance, somehow leads to a betrayal in the boardroom. If my understanding is correct, it's so obvious Nick would be the one doing the betraying. Word to whoever said he seems cutthroat. I get a shifty vibe from him.
JoBu
Feb 6, 2004 @ 4:07 pm
I think Nick and Amy are a good bet.
That said, is there any way to keep things like "Based upon info on the spoiler thread" out of this thread? The topic here is speculation, which I take to be predictive in nature, and not the result of finding spoilers somewhere.
DariaG
Feb 6, 2004 @ 4:08 pm
I would say Nick and Katrina if it were not for Katrina's rock. And rocks? Aren't the same as bands. (Did anyone else see the 2nd season of civilian Mole in which one of the contestants got engaged midway on a "family visit" reward? After the show, she went home and dumped the guy.) I'm not ruling out Nick and Katrina.
As for him picking Amy? If I were picking sides (so third grade!), and had to pick one of the women first -- as Trump instructed Nick to do -- I would choose her. She's competent without being abrasive, silly comments about Carolyn's smackdown aside. But yeah, they could also be an item.
kattam6175
Feb 6, 2004 @ 4:14 pm
I was thinking Bill and Amy would make a great pair, but Nick and Amy would definitely be interesting. How wild would it be if it was Kwame and Osorama. Can you imagine? Ok....eewww. That's not a good visual at all.
arlykeeno
Feb 6, 2004 @ 5:24 pm
I would definitely go with Amy and Bill as two of the final four. The alliance of lust and longing? Nick and Katrina were doing that dumpster dive flirt thing, and without outside info, I would've gone for those two. Yes, he picked Amy first for his team, but he could have noticed that she was an integral part of her team's victories and gone with the smart choice instead of the horny one, especially if they are trying to keep this alliance under wraps.
Who was it who was all chirpy about what a good leader Nick was and how he deferred to the women and listened to everyone and was just <shirley temple voice> EVER so nifty! <end shirley temple voice> I thought it was Katrina, but now I'm not sure. Anyway, that was a clue, too. Sounded like somebody with a crush in the making.
A more fun (and more unholy) alliance would be Nick and Jessie, plotting to take down their teams on a rotating basis to get rid of the people they want... I'm thinking all these Iago thoughts again.
tonypitt
Feb 6, 2004 @ 10:13 pm
Does anyone have any thoughts on how the end-game of this show might play out?
If it follows a pattern like Survivor, at some point the competitions are going to switch from group to individual competitions.
Of course, it may stay with a 2 team format until the final four. But then what happens when you're down to the last 3? They stand in the sun holding onto a pole until one of them lets go?
I'm wondering if somewhere around the final 6 we might see a change in the structure of the game.
columbiatch
Feb 6, 2004 @ 11:08 pm
Of course, it may stay with a 2 team format until the final four. But then what happens when you're down to the last 3? They stand in the sun holding onto a pole until one of them lets go?
It's a 13 week job interview, so my guess is that 12 are eliminated and the final episode is just the final 4
RhondaGC
Feb 6, 2004 @ 11:26 pm
A more fun (and more unholy) alliance would be Nick and Jessie, plotting to take down their teams on a rotating basis
That's a wonderfully delicious idea. And I could maybe see it of Nick (maybe). But I just don't see Jessie as being smart enough to pull that off. Maybe I'm judging her too harshly, and I know we are only seeing what the editors want us to see, but so far I've seen no reason at all for her to be in this contest.
If it isn't Nick and Amy (and I'm not basing that on spoilers, which I haven't read, but just on a gut hunch) then I think it could be Nick and Katrina, as mentioned above. Of the guys I really only see Nick being involved in a relationship with someone under these circumstances. Troy, as it has been mentioned, is married, and he doesn't seem like the type to be unfaithful (especially with a national TV audience!). Bill seems too intensely focused on the game, and that may well be what helps him win it in the end. And Kwame just doesn't seem like the type. Even though he's all Wall Street and Harvard MBA he still seems like a sweet "Aw, shucks" kind of guy who wouldn't want to engage in a relationship under these circumstances.
As for the ladies, I could see it of Amy and Katrina and possibly Ereka. But as for Omarosa, she would consider it beneath her and would take her focus away from the game. (Besides, who would be likely to want a relationship with her--sorry, but the truth hurts!) Tammy is also too focused and a bit snotty when she wants to be. And as for Jessie and Heidi, well, again, who would be interested in an affair with either of them. Especially Heidi? Just the idea squicks me out.
So in conclusion, I think it is Nick and someone, probably Amy or Katrina. Possibly Ereka.
SusieCue
Feb 7, 2004 @ 12:18 am
Katrina's engaged so I doubt it's her.
arlykeeno
Feb 7, 2004 @ 1:05 am
But when you stick people in a hothouse atmosphere (like in each other's pockets in a stressful environment) it's easy to get involved in, um, liaisons. (Affairs sounds so 1950's.) It's like being in the cast of a play. While you're rehearsing and undressing and getting all intense and nervous and looking at each other every frickin' night, sometimes it's easy to be stupid and forget about the people at home.
(Think Real World. Or film folk on location. Or law school.)
Anyway, that's why I don't think being engaged is that much of a bar if you really want to fool around.
Kromm
Feb 7, 2004 @ 1:31 am
Maybe I missed something. Why is everyone so sure that Nick is the guy involved in the romance?
Roark13579
Feb 7, 2004 @ 8:24 am
But when you stick people in a hothouse atmosphere (like in each other's pockets in a stressful environment) it's easy to get involved in, um, liaisons.
Yeah, there's a great
article by Joe Bob Briggs about co-ed dorm rooms that talks about this phenomenon. Money quotes:
- Obviously the bureaucrat who wrote this policy has never witnessed an office romance. The girl may look like your idea of warmed-over corned beef hash, but when you spend EVERY DAY with her, there's going to be that moment when the bare shoulder, the funny laugh, or the overheard conversation with her girlfriend when she talks about getting naked at the bachelorette party, suddenly ZAPS you, and you start wondering what's under there.
- It works the same way in reverse, too. "I used to think he was a loser, but then I saw the way he took care of his Chihuahua, and I don't know, he's just so SWEET." Pretty soon you've got full-bore heterosexuality flailing around on your modular dorm couch,
Considering most of these people are quite attractive, it wouldn't be surprising at all to see some hanky-panky start. I'd think the main thing holding them back would be lack of privacy in the suite, but now that the numbers are getting thinned down, some of them might have private bedrooms at least. Of course, there's the game consideration that if you start spending all your time off smooching with your new sweetie, the others may conspire against you.
RhondaGC
Feb 7, 2004 @ 10:12 am
Why is everyone so sure that Nick is the guy involved in the romance?
I think most people's logic follows along something like what I've posted above--Troy is married and Bill and Kwame don't seem like the types (although I wouldn't totally rule out Bill--I mean, even the stupidest of females they have on this show would have to notice how hot he is). Of course, this is all speculation, so we could be totally wrong.
And I do think that being engaged or married, in this particular context, would be a deterrant to having a "liasion". I mean, with the cameras rolling all the time, would they really believe that it wouldn't be found out? And shown to the whole world? Unless, of course, they're wanting to break-up the previous relationship, in which case this would be a pretty good way, I would think.
archer1267
Feb 7, 2004 @ 2:23 pm
Maybe I missed something. Why is everyone so sure that Nick is the guy involved in the romance?
Kromm, I think it's the salon.com article in which a writer ran into Nick outside a bakery, complimented him on the show, and got absolutely no response...it dawned on her that he couldn't talk about the show while it was still airing, so she said "Well, after the show is over and you CAN talk about it, I'd love to interview you." But that still evoked nothing and in fact he looked at her as if she was something he just scraped off the bottom of his shoe.
His strange behavior came into focus when Amy suddenly appeared, somewhat embarrassed but still very polite to the journo. The impression was that Nick and Amy are the ones that "formed an alliance."
Kromm
Feb 7, 2004 @ 4:03 pm
Well, that DOES sound like the behavior we've come to expect from both of them. Nick, acting like a prick, and Amy generally gracious (except for that one "pretty girl" fiasco, which hopefully was an aberation).
It would tend to argue that she's got bad taste in men.
Also, it might also argue that the "shocking betrayal" alluded to next episode has nothing to do with the romance. I mean, if they were still together...
arlykeeno
Feb 7, 2004 @ 5:13 pm
And I do think that being engaged or married, in this particular context, would be a deterrant to having a "liaison". I mean, with the cameras rolling all the time, would they really believe that it wouldn't be found out?
You'd think that, and yet on The Real World, it's always the engaged ones who fool around with their housemates in the hot tub. I guess they figure it doesn't air till later so they have a long time to explain it away to the fiance, or perhaps they find they like the new one better than the old one and figure they will break up with the fiance when they go home, which would be before it airs.
People are very stupid when it comes to the things they do on camera. As well as how they respond to the pull of their naughty bits to other naughty bits which are close at hand. I'm not saying everybody would do that, or even a majority, and if you think Katrina strikes you as a person who wouldn't, that makes sense to me. But I thought there was something very flirty going on between Nick and Katrina with that dumpster, so that's why my speculation leads that way. Of course, the fact that I like Amy and don't want to think of her with Beady Eyed and Underhanded Nick is probably part of it, too.
DariaG
Feb 7, 2004 @ 5:57 pm
But I thought there was something very flirty going on between Nick and Katrina with that dumpster, so that's why my speculation leads that way.
They certainly seemed to have a good time together, didn't they? That's always dangerous. And didn't one of them grab the other around the waist at the flea market?
I'm giving even odds to Nick-and-Katrina and Nick-and-Amy.
nea1982
Feb 7, 2004 @ 6:25 pm
THE APPRENTICE
Episode #6
02-12-2004 8:42PM
"Tit for tat" -- The teams compete to raise money for charity in a celebrity auction at SothebyÓs. While one project manager is too controlling, another candidate embarrasses their team by asking for outrageous items from the celebrities. A romance starts to blossom between two of the candidates.
The embarrassing one *has* to be Tammy. I predict she will be rude to the celebs and Donald and be fired.
goobaletta
Feb 7, 2004 @ 7:11 pm
I agree that Tammy has high embarrassment potential judging from what we've seen thus far, but what if Heidi loses her shit in front of a celeb or is merely her naturally crass self? TD already finds her overly agressive. If she pushes a celeb too hard the wrong way I can so imagine TD getting a pissy phone call about it. Diplomacy isn't Heidi's forte. And even though she and Omarosa got along during the flea market task it isn't a stretch at all to imagine those two screaming at each other.
Damn. Now I'm imagining all sorts of inappropriate things one might ask a celebrity to contribute to a charity auction.
Janet Jackson's busted bustier.
Regis' Who Wants to be a SuperMillionaire boxers.
A date with The Hair's stylist.
I'm sure you guys can do much better than I.
nea1982
Feb 7, 2004 @ 7:16 pm
See...it says *another* candidate, which makes me believe that it is referring to VersaCorp. Omarosa's controlling nature won't allow her team members to cross the line. Plus, it would tie in well with Katrina's opinion that Tammy says embarrassing things.
goobaletta
Feb 7, 2004 @ 7:22 pm
nea1982, I totally take your point and I agree. It especially works if Tammy's the PM next week. Maybe she'll call Steinbrenner and ask him to contribute his bling.
LEKatze
Feb 7, 2004 @ 7:37 pm
I have a question about the Amy/Nick spoiler. I read that the finale is supposed to be live -- so is it possible that they are still taping challenges or doing upcoming episodes and that's why the two of them are together in NY? According to their bios Amy still lives in Austin, TX and Nick in Los Angeles. Just a thought.
arlykeeno
Feb 7, 2004 @ 8:29 pm
Interesting speculation about who might be the embarrassment. Certainly sounds like Tammy the Blinger, although HeidoHo is a good candidate, too. Given celebs like Britney and Janet, I can't imagine what they could ask for that could embarrass them. Ask Paris Hilton for a copy of her sex videos? Ask if you can auction off a lapdance from The Donald's kid? Whoever it is, if they're rude enough to annoy The Donald, it's gotta be pretty bad.
Miss Alli
Feb 8, 2004 @ 7:52 am
Please keep spoilers in the spoiler thread. If you read information somewhere that suggests who the romance is, that's a spoiler.
Thanks.
Love2Hate
Feb 8, 2004 @ 7:37 pm
I think Tammy is probably the one who will embarrass her team, since the woman doesn't seem to know how to use a filter. However, Donald tells the one who is fired that they are rude, and however inappropriate Tammy is, she's not really rude the way Heidi is.
columbiatch
Feb 10, 2004 @ 12:04 am
I saw the commercial again last night and "you're fired" does not appear to directly follow "you are rude" - maybe the rude one lives?
networkinggirl
Feb 10, 2004 @ 7:25 am
The Episode 6 task requires candiates to approach certain celebrities and ask them to donate prizes for a celebrity auction.
All of the previews have stated that one PM is too controlling and one team gets embarrassed by a team mate because of the types of prizes they request from the celebrities. Who's to say that both people aren't the same person or on the same team? And the firing/boardroom scene is the "most dramatic ever" and refers to another back-stabbing.The teams are the same from last week. The PM's have been announced as Omarosa and Bill.
I think it's safe to assume that the "too controlling" one is Omarosa...but maybe that's what they want us to believe? All of the previews have been so overly exxagerated that it's tough to know what is true.
MY SPECULATION FOR EPISODE 6:
NEW VERSACORP-LOSE
Now, maybe I'm giving these people too much credit, but I would think that Bill's team (Nick, any. katrina. bill, erica, tammie) would all know enough by now, especially after last week's "bling" comment, NOT to let Tammie speak to the celebrities.So, I wonder if the one who embarrasses their team is on this team at all? The only other person on that team who seems clueless enough to not know how inappropriate she can be is Ereka or Katrina. Bill will go in to the boardroom and bringong Troy and Ereka/Katrina. Troy gets the big 'ol boot.(ooooohhhh...big back stabbing moment.)
NEW PROTEGE-WIN
My guess is that they win this task with Omarosa at the helm....but she is too controlling. And Heidi embarrasses her team with her requests. The "You were rude. You are rude" comment may potentially be when both teams are in the boardroom waiting to hear the reults of the task.
pistachio
Feb 10, 2004 @ 11:12 am
Bill will go in to the boardroom and bringong Troy and Ereka/Katrina. Troy gets the big 'ol boot.(ooooohhhh...big back stabbing moment.)
Troy is no longer on Bill's team. It is Nick and Bill.
jennblevins
Feb 10, 2004 @ 3:41 pm
While half asleep on the way to work this morning it occurred to me that if you substitute a 'c' for the second 'o' in Omarosa's name, and shuffle the letters around (swap each pair of two: 'O' and 'm', 'a' and 'r', 'o' replaced with 'c' and 's', leave the last 'a' where it is) you get ... Morasca, as in 'Amazon Annoyance' Jenna Morasca. I therefore predict Omarosa wins it all, much to everyone's amazement, and even Ereka ('Christy') winds up rooting for her in the end.
Either that or I just need more sleep.