I understand the rules of shabbos. What I'm asking is, was there some moment during the season where it was established that Lee and Dan are Orthodox? Or is that information you have based on outside sources? I didn't recall the subject ever being mentioned on the show. If they are Orthodox, I would they'd have to be fairly modern Orthodox (maybe UTJ) since it seems neither of them wears a kippah in daily life.

CosmicRayRay I know I got the info from Orthodox Apprentice where right on the top of the page it states that Lee and Dan are two Orthodox Jewish candidates competing on the Apprentice this season ...

This is such a boring season. Every week, Synergy scores, Gold Rush implodes, and someone from the team gets fired. It's as obvious as it was with Martha's Matchstick that these people can't work well together. Imagine if going into week 8, after Lenny got fired, DT ordered a full reshuffle instead of just moving Michael over. The PMs could move their weakest (aka least favorite) members to the other team, and we'd get:

Gold Rush - PM Leslie, Charmaine, Allie, Roxanne, Michael
Synergy - PM Andrea, Tammy, Sean, Lee, Tarek

Now that would make things interesting. On Synergy, Andrea would have to manage Tarek and Lee. Now Andrea and Tarek, although they claim to get along personally, would certainly clash, as both of them are leaders and neither of them would want to be managed by one another. The combined smarminess of Lee and Sean would make for some excitement, and Tammy would probably get annoyed by the whole thing.

On Gold Rush, we'd get to see Roxanne get flustered when Charmaine went into her whiny rants. There'd be some interesting teams forming within this group, as Allie and Roxanne would keep their close alliance, and Leslie and Charmaine would do the same. Roxanne and Allie would complain about Charmaine, and Leslie would complain to Charmaine about how Allie is trying to undermine her. Michael, of course, would fly solo and give off dramatic boardroom performances.

Maybe DT should have gone out of town. IIRC, the last time we had a full reshuffle, he was, and Carolyn had the teams do exactly that.

Thanks for the link, My Swag. That's really interesting. I definitely would not have picked Lee for Orthodox based solely on what we've seen of him, but I guess this is why you oughtn't make assumptions.

My apologies if the questions came off as aggressive. I remember seeing a lot of misconceptions about Judaism posted on these threads after the high holidays episodes, and there continue to be those who opine that Lee's decision to observe them is evidence of his "shiftiness." I just wanted to clarify that the presumption that Lee or Dan are Orthodox wasn't being made solely on the basis of them sitting out the holidays.

Tarek's website points out how surprised everyone was that Lee didn't take off Succot.

Since it will be Roxanne's turn to PM next against a very weak Gold Rush led by - I'm guessing - a very weak Michael, Roxanne will be 2-0 as PM, be the frontrunner and win this whole thing.

Lee is 2-0 also. But since she was on a winning team, Roxanne's overall record is better.

Oh I don't mean frontrunner only in terms of PM wins. Roxanne has been in the final boardroom 0 times as opposed to Lee's 4, and has had 7 wins as opposed to Lee's 3 measly wins.

I agree with the opinion upthread that a reshuffle that will put Andrea and Tarek in the same team would have been quite interesting.

This week's preview shows Sean very frustrated with the women of Synergy, particularly
Roxanne and Allie. It does a good job setting the stage for Sean's likely switch to Gold Rush.

It will be interesting to see Sean and Lee work together, but I think under Michael's leadership this week, they'll unite in their frustration with him. Lee seems to like Michael so far, but he hasn't been led by him. That will change.

Does anyone else think that we are gonna have Final Interviews this time with the final 3 a la Season 3? Something tells me that if there is an interview round this season, Lee and two women of Synergy will make it that far and Lee will fall prey to the interview round which would leave an all female final 2.

I do miss the interviews. I really like that scenario.

Also, is it just me or is Roxanne's edit getting more and more negative. This is nothing like the Craig/Kendra edit, either. She is constantly badgering Sean in the video along with Allie.

That preview clip was AWFUL! Poor Sean! Allie seemed like a perfect psycho ex-girlfriend, and Roxanne was just plain nasty. How "professional," indeed... I almost puked when I saw the clip, almost like I had inadvertently eaten some Peazza or something...

Yeah, that was pretty bad. Allie was as annoying as usual, but I was shocked how much Roxanne pissed me off in that clip. She was acting like she was "above" Sean, when she really was just being condesending and annoying. What is wrong with them? There like a two person Coven, and Tammy just there for her amusement.

I am curious about that clip. They didn't show ever of the women in really good light. Are they trying to knock down Roxanne a bit? Ever to set her up for firing, or so it won't be obvious that she's in the F2? Ever one of those could be possible.

I think Tammy can take it all. She is getting a very "Kendra" edit, and I wonder if Sean slobbering all over her was supposed to tell the audience how great she is.

I hope she can! Since I can't have my dream final 2 of Tarek and Tammy, I do hope my other favorite of the season can make it all the way!

Go Tamms!

Even with Tammy included, the remaining candidates suck equally. Each of them have a few positive traits, but unfortuntely each also have laundry list of shortcomings. None of them deserve an executive position.

Trump might as well draw the winner's name out of a bingo ball...or have The Apprentice be determined by who can kiss his asshole the longest.

This is the season to stick it to the pathetic finalists with the people who disliked them the most and not let the finalists pick their own teams.

Sean: Definitely Allie and Roxanne and either Michael or Brent
Lee: Charmaine, and two of Bryce, Tarek or Dan. Heck, pick all 4 for him. They'll collectively do less work for Lee than Lenny alone.

Ha!

But if they could pick: Let's sort the 16 out into groups first.

Loves Lee: Lenny
Likes Sean: Tammy, Andrea
Hates Lee: Charmaine, Bryce, Tarek, Dan, maybe Leslie, Michael
Hates Sean: Allie, Roxanne, maybe Michael
Indifferent and useless: Summer, Brent
Indifferent and maybe useful but probably useless worker (i.e. fired too early to tell): Pepi, Stacy, Theresa

Lee has Lenny, and may choose Allie and Roxanne since he's a politician. Lee managed to get Michael, Leslie, Bryce, Tarek, Dan, Charmaine fired so I don't think he'll be picking them. Maybe Theresa. He's in the same position as Bethenny in Martha's Apprentice. Burnt too many bridges because he lost too many times.

Sean will pick Tammy. Will he pick Charmaine because she dislikes Lee? He'll probably pick Andrea and Pepi.

Ghettofabman wrote (on May 6):



As we now know, there were no interviews, and I think I know why that was the case:

As previously noted in the 5-13: "Who Wears The Pants?" thread, it was reported by Orthodox Apprentice the final tasks took place last November 8, a Tuesday (and Election Day in fact, which is significant since there was a Gubernatorial election in New Jersey that day). Given in past seasons the final tasks have usually been on a weekend and knowing how bad the weather actually was in the New York metro area last October (when filming of this season other than the finale was done with last October being one of the wettest on record), this is what I think actually happened:

There originally was likely an outdoor task scheduled to have taken place last October 13-14 (a Thursday and Friday that included Yom Kippur), however, there had already been extremely heavy rain the preceeding weekend (which is why the Post GrapeNuts Trail Mix task that took place October 7-8 of last year was likely severely sped up to make sure the candidates could get back to Trump Tower before what turned out to be flooding rains hit). With more rain in the forecast for that Thursday and Friday, the task in question if it were an outdoor task likely was canceled out of concerns the conditions for the task would be poor at best and outright dangerous at worst. That if so forced another task to be quickly moved up to replace it, and I suspect in that scenario it was the Arby's task, as I now think that was originally planned to be the final team task on November 6-7 (especially since that could easily have been done as a final four task since you really only needed two people on each team for that task), quickly moved up to replace the task that got canceled (and anyone who saw the Arby's task may remember there clearly was extremely heavy rain falling in the New York area during that task). If that was the case, it had a serious ripple effect on this season.

Given the logistics of putting the show together and the planning that takes place well in advance, in all likelyhood any such outdoor task that had to be canceled due to weather could not be re-scheduled, especially since such a task likely required more team members than a later task would. They likely were one task short as a result, and to avoid a situation where there was a serious gap between the last team tasks, the interviews and the final tasks that likely were originally scheduled to have taken place from November 10-12, the events the original final tasks that would have been used likely were scrapped, with alternate events that took place on November 8 substituted. With the interviews likely scheduled for Wednesday, November 9 before any possible juggling of the filming schedule caused by a canceled task and given how the executives who would have handled the interviews likely already had plans for whatever date the interviews would have been re-scheduled for (most likely in this scenario Sunday, November 6), that likely caused the interviews to have to be canceled.

This likely means weather played a much bigger factor in this season than most people will ever realize. If a task had to be canceled on October 13-14 and the Arby's task indeed was as I think turned out to be the case moved up to replace it, in turn causing the interviews to wind up also being canceled due to the final tasks being moved up, that means had that not happened, Stacy and Pepi's being "fired" following the Gillette Fusion task (the second) would have been the lone double "firing" this season. That likely means if so, only Charmaine would have been "fired" following the Hair Cuttery task (assuming Charmaine would have still been PM of that task since it would have been in the same spot it was in this scenario) and would have potentially completely changed the dynmaics of this season, since with one more task plus the interviews, there could not have been a double "firing" the rest of the way.

Would if that was the case the final two still been Sean and Lee? I don't think so, as assuming most of the other "firings" would have taken place as they did (except for perhaps Embassy Suites as Allie would still have likely been PM for that and got "fired" there), with interviews the final three would have in my opinion been Sean, Lee and Roxanne. Given my suspicion that the executives handling the interviews would have had serious issues with Lee (due to his age) and less with Roxanne, I think the final two had there been interviews would have been Sean vs. Roxanne instead of Sean vs. Lee.

Once Charmaine got fired, there was no doubt that Lee would be in the final two. Seasons 2 through 4 and Martha's show featured members of opposite original teams in the final two and that seems to be how they like to do it.

FWIW, found a possible Apprentice 6 cast list posted at imdb:

MEN:

Eduardo Luna
Andrew Westman
Chris Penner
John Roberts
Donald Hatch
Sean Savage
Steve Brady
Kyle Burks
Sam Jackson

WOMEN:

Christina White
Andrea Schumann
Danielle Forbes
Jenny Cooper
Allie Morris
Sadie Lake
Chelsea Todd
Angela Ruggiero
Shannon Wells

Granted, beyond Angela (the Olympian who won the vote) the other names could definitely be made up, but the poster said the cast would be announced in mid-Nov or early Dec.

I'm not totally sold on it since the last names are all a little too common (no names like Yazbeck, Wartenberg or Olswanger), but it is something speculative.

Maybe someone saw a task being filmed and recognizes a first name?

Some of those names sound famous.

Steve Brady.....heh.

Chelsea Todd - Kendra's sister?

John Roberts - Supreme Court Justice?

Imagine if last season, Trump had decided to reshuffle the teams in Week 8, instead of just moving Michael to Gold Rush.

Week 8 - 7-Eleven. PMs Andrea (Synergy) and Leslie (GR). Leslie would dump her two least favorites, and Andrea would dump her three least favorites, leaving each team with two original GR and three original Synergy. Andrea would dump Michael, Roxanne, and Allie. Leslie would dispatch Tarek and Lee. The new lineups would be Synergy - Andrea, Tammy, Sean, Lee, Tarek and GR - Leslie, Charmaine, Allie, Roxanne, Michael. Synergy would choose the lower price point and win. Leslie would bring Roxanne and Michael to the BR for selling the least, but Leslie would get fired.

Week 9 - Ameriquest. PMs Tarek (Synergy) and Allie (GR). Tarek's photography would improve Andrea's design and Synergy would win. GR would again face the boardroom, where Allie and Roxanne would gang up on Michael for contributing the least and selling the least. Trump, liking Allie's fire, would fire Michael.

Week 10 - Hair Cuttery. PMs Lee (Synergy) and Charmaine (GR). GR chooses Sean, because the girls did not fight with him as they were no longer on the same team. The new GR is PM Charmaine, Allie, Roxanne, and Sean. The new Synergy is PM Lee, Andrea, Tarek, and Tammy. GR would win because Allie would sell tons of products. In the boardroom, Lee will accuse Andrea and Tarek of sabotage. Both Lee and Tarek will be fired after a difficult fight.

Week 11 - Outback Steakhouse. PMs Tammy (Synergy) and Roxanne (GR). Tammy and Andrea will choose Sean. GR will win again for focusing on sales. Tammy gets fired.

Week 12 - Microsoft/Wal-Mart. PMs Sean (Synergy) and Allie (GR). Synergy wins, and GR faces the boardroom, where Allie and Roxanne gang up on Charmaine. Allie gets fired.

Week 13 - Embassy Suites. PMs Andrea (Synergy) and Charmaine (GR). GR loses for designing uniforms that focus only on style and not on functionality. Charmaine and Roxanne are fired.

Week 14 - Andrea (Tarek, Dan, Leslie) and Sean (Tammy, Lee, Allie). Sean wins.

Imagine if in Season 1, Trump had fired Nick and Kwame instead of Nick and Amy after the interview round. The final two would have been Bill and Amy. Assuming that Trump had still allowed them to choose their teams from the last six fired candidates, here's what probably would have happened if Amy had the first pick:

Amy/Protege - Nick, Troy, Heidi
Bill/Versacorp - Kwame, Katrina, Assorama

And if Bill had the first pick:

Bill/Versacorp - Kwame, Troy, Katrina
Amy/Protege - Nick, Heidi, Assorama

If Amy had the second pick, she'd have a headache with Heidi and Assorama on the same team, and if Bill had the second pick, he'd have a headache with Katrina and Assorama on the same team. Now imagine if they were each able to pick people from their original teams:

Bill/Versacorp - Kwame, Nick, Troy/Bowie (probably Troy)
Amy/Protege - Kristi, Heidi, Ereka

This thread's really more about speculation on the upcoming seasons. If you'd like to start some kind of fantasy thread, that can go in the Creative section.

Regarding this year's final two, I think it will be two women. Trump has already had two combinations of two men (Bill and Kwame, Sean and Lee), two coed combinations (Kelly and Jenn M., Randal and Rebecca), and only one all-female combo (Kendra and Tana). Therefore, I think this year it's going to be two women, and even if not, the winner will almost definitely be a woman. It's not that I don't think some of the guys are alright this year, because all of the ones left, except Frank, are pretty decent. However, I can't see him hiring a fifth man and only having one woman.

Also, ever since season two, Trump has chosen two finalists from opposite original teams. Therefore, I think Stefani will definitely be one of the finalists, because she's been edited well so far, and I can't see Nicole making it to the finals.

As for the other woman, there are six left on Kinetic. However, I would rule out Aimee because of the preview clips of her stint as Project Manager. Her team might win the task, but based on the previews, she doesn't appear to have inspired some of the members of her team. I would also rule out Kristine, because I expect her to make a tactical error like her "chicken-fruit" creation when she becomes PM. I think Muna will make it far, but I don't think she'll be a strong enough leader or personality in the end. We haven't seen much of Jenn, and typically, when we don't see much of someone early on, they make it fairly far, but not to the end. We always get to know both of the finalists fairly well by the end, so I think she'll make it far, but not to the finals.

That leaves Heidi and Angela. I think either of them are possibilities. While we've seen maybe less of Angela than of Jenn, Trump has hyped her as the Olympic winner since before the season began, so I can see him keeping her around for that reason and because she doesn't appear to be catty like many of the women on this show. As for Heidi, she's a strong personality, a pretty good leader, and she's won twice. If she does well as a team player, I can imagine her going quite far.

However, just to make a guess, I'll predict that Angela and Stefani will be the final two.

Bring over from The Spoiler Thread, where paulyb84 said:



To which Gapkid replied:



Gapkid is right.

Those were purely guesses, but those that were educated and in each case would make perfect sense.

In the case of season four, I would think NBC would have been fearful of Alla's stripper past coming out and someone unauthorized hearing those, leaking it to the tabloids and having all of season four (except the final tasks) spoiled before the show ever aired (and keep in mind, the interviews for "A4" were likely scheduled for May 18, 2005, the day before the Apprentice 3 finale, so there already was press in place for that). It would not surprise me at all if in fact we find out down the road that NBC-Universal President Jeff Zucker himself ordered the interviews cancelled because of concerns of Alla's stripper past spoiling the season. I say about season four because Martha's version was filmed 5-6 weeks after Trump's season four was in the spring and early summer of 2005 and there were interviews with the final three candidates on that version.

In the case of season five, the New York metro area had a period of 16 straight days with rain from October 7-22, 2005, right in the middle of filming (and I know this because Philly got the same weather New York did during that time). If you remember from "A5", the final five task wound up being a combined task of Wal-Mart and Sony xbox360. What I now think happened was this:

Xbox360 was likely originally supposed to be the sixth task of the show, and given the time the sixth task was filmed (October 13-14), it likely was planned as an outdoor task where top gamers (yes, there is such a thing) would rate the xbox360 itself and displays the teams created. Heavy, flooding rain the weekend preceeding the sixth task probably made where they would have been staging that task a tough area to do so and the additional rain that fell during the sixth task probably made such areas downright unsafe, forcing that task to be scrapped and the Arby's task, which I think was originally supposed to be the final team task moved up on extremely short notice to replace it. That in turn forced them if so to combine Wal-Mart with xbox360 later on, while the final tasks had to be moved up by 3-4 days and the interviews, which likely were scheduled for Wednesday, November 9 moved up to Sunday, November 6, but the executives who were scheduled to handle the interviews probably were not able to re-schedule what would have been moved-up interviews, forcing them to be scrapped.

As one who actually lived through that particular stretch of weather, it really was that bad and it would not surprise me if that turned out to be what really happened with "A5."

Good point about Martha's show having interviews, so you may very well be right about the S4 interviews being cancelled. However, I think once Trump didn't do the interviews in S4, he probably decided to get rid of them for S5, since the double/multiple-firings of S4 were pretty entertaining. Besides, if Alla and Felisha were game for a double-firing, Allie and Roxanne were even MORE so, and I think Trump was going for the same effect there.

I think that Kinetic will realize that if they keep saving Aimee,no one else will get a chance to be
PM and this is not in anyone's best interest except Aimee's. By only doing what she tells them, they can throw her under the bus if she isn't any better on this task.

I think Arrow has a good chance of winning this next task without having to be real good.

The Nicole-Tim previews indicate that Arrow does win.

I think Stefani will win the competition and I think Heidi will go far but not to the F2 (the fact that her official nickname is 'the hottie' indicates that she won't be in a position where she could win it).

I also like Stefanie for a winner. If she gets to the finals, she'll have to compete against someone from Kinetic. We haven't seen much of Jenn and Angela yet. I think Jenn will be let go pretty soon - the unaired footage of her "genius" selling strategy last week puts her into one group with that asian chic who dropped her skirt in the middle of New York for $20; I doubt Trump will be interested to have Jenn run one of his projects. As to the remaining Kineticans, Heidi seems to be the strongest. But she does not have a college degree. May be it'll be Angela?

James is my pick for the winner. But Stefani I'm guessing will be F4.

Edit: I'll just go ahead and guess the entire season ahead for the heck of it coz I'm bored.

#7
Kinetic: Heidi, Derek, Muna, Jenn (PM), Kristine, Angela
Arrow: Surya (PM), James, Stefani, Tim, Nicole, Frankie
Jenn & Kristine fired (2-for-1 blonde special).

#8 (Surya volunteers to go back to Kinetic)
Kinetic: Heidi, Derek, Muna, Surya (PM), Angela
Arrow: James (PM), Stefani, Tim, Nicole, Frankie
Surya fired.

#9
Kinetic: Heidi, Derek (PM), Muna, Angela
Arrow: James (PM), Stefani, Tim, Nicole, Frankie
Derek fired.

#10
Kinetic: Heidi, Muna, Angela (PM), Stefani
Arrow: James (PM), Tim, Nicole, Frankie
Frankie fired.

#11
Kinetic: Heidi, Muna, Angela (PM), Stefani
Arrow: James, Tim (PM), Nicole
Angela fired.

#12
Kinetic: Heidi, Muna, Stefani (PM)
Arrow: James, Tim (PM), Nicole
Nicole & Tim fired.

#13
Kinetic: Heidi, Muna (PM)
Arrow: James, Stefani (PM)
Both Heidi and Muna fired.

James will have 1 less team win than Stefani and his PM record will be 2-1 vs her 2-0, so this palys out to a Stefani win, which contradicts everything else I said so far about Arrow losing and Stefani not making the F2. Oh well.

I can't even begin to speculate who will be fired next and who won't. More importantly, for what reasons. The editors are playing games with the viewers. It's insulting.

If I watch with my S1 hat on, it's easy to tell who will be fired. But now in S6, it's ratings free-for-all. One week it's based on actual task-related mistakes. And even then, it's arbitrary - whether or not your team or even Trump himself likes you. The next week it seems based on ratings appeal.

One week someone gets fired for a few small mistakes.
Another week someone gets fired for one mistake.
One week someone gets fired because he/she is disliked.
Another week someone gets fired, even though the team loves him/her.

It's so inconsistent. It drives me nuts. And this season is just insulting.

I can't remember off the top of my head, but remember in a past season - the girl who lifted her skirt in NY to raise sales? She was chatised in the boardroom for doing that.

Yet, this season Trumps implies that Tim might be the Apprentice if he 'taps' Nicole's ass? Not to mention Trump's love for using the word 'ass' in every episode. Hm...what's worse?

Sometimes it's ratings, sometimes not: Look how long S5: Lenny and S5: Brent lasted? But S6: Martin was just as annoying/ill fitted to the job, but he just as a much a ratings booster - if not more so. Yet, he was fired off very early.

Sick of it. Sick of this show. Sick of seeing speedos, speed-don'ts, Laker girls/Playboy mansion prizes, bathroom scenes, sucking face, poor quality candidates, ridiculous winners, it's a train wreck. Out of control. This show had such potential. But it has just sunk to low-grade, hypocritical, frat-boy keg party.

to gapkid, your prediction is very interesting, but after I saw the ad of next esipode, it seems to show me that next PM of Kinetic is Derek.

My thoughts on this:

#7
Kinetic: Heidi, Derek, Muna, Jenn (PM), Kristine, Angela
Arrow: Surya (PM), James, Stefanie, Tim, Nicole, Frankie
Jenn & Kristine fired (agree with Gapkid on this one).

#8 (Agree with Gapkid that Surya goes back to Kinetic)
Kinetic: Heidi, Derek, Muna, Surya (PM), Angela
Arrow: James (PM), Stefanie, Tim, Nicole, Frankie
Heidi fired.

#9
Kinetic: Surya, Derek (PM), Muna, Angela
Arrow: James (PM), Stefanie, Tim, Nicole, Frankie
Surya & Derek fired.

#10 (James moves to Kinetic)
Kinetic: Muna, Angela, James (PM)
Arrow: Stefanie, Tim (PM), Nicole, Frankie
Tim & Nicole fired.

#11
Kinetic: James (PM), Muna, Angela
Arrow: Stefanie (PM), Frankie
Muna Fired.

#12
Kinetic: James and Angela (PM)
Arrow: Stefanie (PM) and Frankie
Angela Fired.

#13 (The Interviews)
James and Stefanie dominate the interviews, execs are not thrilled with Frankie, so he goes.

That leaves James and Stefanie as the final two. While Stefanie beats James the one time they go head-to-head as PMs, James makes a huge comeback on the final task and wins it all (while Stefanie if she wants to do it heads into TV land and makes big bucks talking about big cases).

Stefani and James are from the same original team. That alone would not have allowed them to get to F2 in the past seasons.

For S5 and S6, the original teams weren't pre-determined and were only chosen in Episode 1. There's no reason why the F2 has to be from different original teams. The only season where there was a good reason to ensure that this is so was S3.

I doubt it, only because I actually lived through how bad the weather really was when filming for season five was taking place.

October is traditionally the driest month of the entire year in the northeast, but October 2005 was the wettest on record, and could not have been realistically factored in when planning for season five took place, likely even before filming for season four started in April 2005. The tasks are planned months in advance, and that's why what I noted upthread is what I think happened, causing the interviews to have to be cancelled due to having to juggle at the last minute. That's why I think there are only 12 tasks plus the interviews and the final tasks, with three "double firings" along the way as noted this time.

************
#8 (Surya volunteers to go back to Kinetic)
Kinetic: Heidi, Derek, Muna, Surya (PM), Angela
Arrow: James (PM), Stefani, Tim, Nicole, Frankie
Surya fired.
************
Not possible, If Surya goes back he wouldn't be leading as Derek, Muna and Angela are yet to lead. May be Surya gets fired (Hope he should, for giving bull load of crapola to his teammates) but he will not lead.

James is too aggressive when bitching. I don't think he wins. However he will go very far I think.

Ouch. I don't like the preview blurb about an "unexpected" firing. That could mean a double-firing for Arrow, as in Surya and maybe James. James has done well, so that could be unexpected.

More troubling, though, is the possibility of Kinetic losing. Does anyone have a guess as to who the new Kinetic PM will be? Someone said the preview showed Angela as PM, and I sure hope she doesn't lose, because if there's a double-firing, the PM is always one of the ones to get axed. Angela getting fired would certainly be an "unexpected" firing that might "blindside" the team. Furthermore, while Trump was firing Aimee, he was praising Angela's strength and toughness, but also calling her "silent." I wonder if that's foreshadowing for next week. Then again, I can also see the term "blindsided" referring to the team's reaction to the double firing, regardless of who is fired.

Kamtunghk, you posted upthread that the previews for the next episode indicate that Derek will be the next PM. Since I can't remember the previews, can anyone refresh my memory as to what the previews indicated about the next Kinetic PM?

What could blindside the team? I am guessing the double firing itself could be blindsiding. The Tim/Nicole firing could be totally unexpected especially after their romance has been so encouraged by Trump. But the most blindsiding effect, IMO, could be expected when a very strong and respected leader is fired. I can see Kineticans being totally blindsided and even lost when their beloved leader Heidi is let go. It could be Heidi and Angela. I think Trump will want Angela to be part of double firing to soften the blow for the Olimpian.

Totally agree. I've been wondering how/if Angela would be fired. Although I'd much prefer Heidi getting fired solo.

I have watched the previews several times. I saw absolutely nothing to indicate that Derek is the PM. His face flashed across the screen briefly, and he did not look happy. But there was nothing in his body posture that suggested to me that he was leading. If someone saw something to suggest that he was a leader, I wish they would enlighten me.

I did see a couple of scenes that would suggest contradictory conclusions. At least one of those scenes must have been a red herring (maybe they both were).

First there was Stefani (I think it was Stefani; if it was not, please someone correct me) saying that she “would crush him.” That might indicate that Arrow lost and that she knew that her esteemed PM was going to blame her. So, she was saying, “He’d better not come after me in the boardroom; because I will crush him.”

If Arrow does indeed lose, could that mean that both Surya and Stefani get fired, because she gets a little too aggressive? Stefani’s firing would blindside (and perhaps horrify) the team, who would be expecting Surya to be fired.

Secondly, there was Angela reclining on something. Next to her was one person who was sitting (perhaps consoling her). Angela was saying, “I won’t go down without a fight.” That scene suggests that Kinetic loses and that Angela was the PM. Because her team lost, she realizes that she is in deep doo doo. She then says (as many losing PMs have said before her), “I may have lost but I am not going down without a fight.”

Before the description of the next task came out, which suggested the losing team was blindsided, I believed the second scenario. I also thought that Angela and Surya would both be fired. I figured that Surya had too many vultures circling around his head for too long, and Trump would be looking for an excuse to fire him. If Trump did cobra Surya, he would not be the first PM who thought he had immunity . . . then said something stupid and was fired. Now, I don’t think it is going to happen that way.

Any ideas?

Actually, I misspoke slightly in my previous post. If Angela had a case to be made against anyone, I figured that person would be fired and not Angela. I thought that Angela has presently too much capital with Trump, and that he would be loathe to fire her at this point. However, if there is a double firing and Kinetic loses and Angela is the PM, I now predict that Angela will be fired. (Remember, I am just speculating.)

Yes, the clips with Stefani and Angela are what's causing the confusion. I only saw the preview once, so my memory is hazy: thanks for the refresher muncastro. I'm still trying to figure out where they are (in the mansion or in Tent City) when they make the remarks, since the losing team will be in the tents.

I'm hesitant to read too much into the hyping up of the double firing as an event that blindsides the losing team. It seems to me that the multiple firings are always promoted as shocking, unexpected, etc. I'm also dubious about the prospects of a Tim/Nicole firing this soon, since once they are fired, the producers won't be able to milk the "romance" for promo teasers.

"Crush him" is kind of vague. What Angela said is more typical of a PM that just lost.

The Olympian getting fired will definitely blindside people. And Trump has set the stage for it by mentioning her in last week's boardroom. Although I will be sad to see Angela go, she'll drag down someone unpleasant on Kinetic with her, which is fiine by me.

To have a double firing on the final team task this season we'll need two conditions.

1) The losing team needs to set up the stage so he can fire both without making it look obvious. Trump may want to fire both. But if one is obviously at fault and the other not then the choice may be taken from him. For example in season 2, Ivana was the obvious fire for the final team task and neither of the other two came close.

2) Both members of the winning team must be suitable candidates for the final two. Trump's done enough of these to know that its possible for the final task to be a blow out ( like in season 3 ) and he'll be effectively denied an opportunity to choose. So both contestants have to be acceptable. Craig from season 3 would be a good example of someone who won the last team task but whom Trump wouldn't want in the final two.

Season 4 as well as Season 5 both provided these conditions for Trump but there are no guarantees that it will happen this season.

Following your suggestion cheekycricket of observing backgrounds, I watched the previews again. When Stefani made her “crush him” comment, she was outside. She did not appear to be either in tent city or the mansion. I speculate she was probably at the project site. However, when Angela makes her “fighting” comment, she definitely seems to be reclining in a tent. Without going into detail, there seems to be green and tan canvass behind her. This makes the prospect that Angela was indeed the losing PM more likely.

I think that the young woman seated in front of Angela was Jenn. If anyone thinks or knows differently, please correct me.

Now, check out the interview at this URL: http://www.realitywanted.net/2007/02/21/fr...ising-intervie/

In this interview, Aimee suggests that the Kinetic contestants had formed alliances. She also suggests that Jenn possessed one of the most creative minds in the group. Interestingly, of the four people whom Aimee identifies as being the most creative members of Kinetic, only Jenn remains (response to question 3). She suggests that Kinetic will be in trouble once the four are all gone (is she foreshadowing what is to come in the next episode?)

I am wondering if Angela and Jenn have an alliance (or perhaps a close friendship). I am also wondering if Jenn tries too hard to defend Angela in the boardroom and winds up being fired. If Aimee is right, Jenn’s loss would be a huge blow to Kinetic.