I agree, and I personally think it's going to probably be Allie. She's had a decent amount of interviews, usually seems to be working, and hasn't done anything hate-worthy or stupid yet. I could be wrong, but she seems to be getting a winner's edit. I'm not a huge fan, but it would be cool to see the first winning PM finally win it all (instead of joining Ereka, Bradford, John, and Markus.)

From Dan's interview on Orthodox Apprentice:



Since he mentions two candidates from Synergy - who he never worked with - in his answer, along with Tarek (who we know gets to Episode #10, at the least) and Charmaine, looks like he might be giving us a hint of the F4 and/or those who get close to that point. And a F4 with these four actually makes okay sense so far from all the info and spoilers that have been posted - and I wouldn't have to actively root against any of them, either! Maybe Sean, though, too smarmy and 'plastic' for me.

We'll see how it plays out, I guess. I just thought these comments he made in this interview were interesting and perhaps telling.

If Tarek has great leadership skills, he should start demonstrating them pronto. I don't doubt that he wants to be a leader, and views himself as such, but the desire to be a leader, and the ability to make others want to follow, are two separate things. At this point, no one on Gold Rush seems to want to follow him. His allies were Dan and Bryce, and they're both gone.

I'm glad to hear the positive comments about Charmaine, though, since I also think she is a strong candidate but the weepy scenes have been worrying me. Kendra had one brief bout of crying--can't remember which episode--but it didn't last long and so far as we know, she didn't repeat it.

At this point there are 9 candidates left.

Out of those I just do not see Andrea, Charmaine, Lee, Michael or Tarek become the Apprentice, based on the editing they have received - maybe one of them will make the Final 2, but that's as far as they'll get. None of the previous winners have gotten any editing in which they were negatively portrayed, they had conflicts but not serious problems.

This leaves 4 possible candidates, Allie, Roxanne, Sean and Tammy (all from Synergy). Although Sean didn't get much negative editing, but he just seemed too odd to be potential winner (The way he was commenting on Michael in the past episode was just out there!)

So I am thinking the most likely winners are Tammy, Allie and Roxanne, in that order. I'll see how my theory holds up with the next episodes, it would be interesting.


Kendra cried after acing the final task, which I think is a little bit different from crying in the middle of season because something bad happened (like Charmaine did).

Personally, I speculate and I hope that the final 2 are Tammy and Tarek. They are the only two that I can still tolerate and like.

I wonder why Donald is asking for help from the viewers in deciding his final choice....unless the final 2 have the exact same PM record.

I'm going to narrow down my guess a little bit. Charmaine and Allie in the Final 2. Charmaine would be an undefeated PM 2-0 with many team losses, and Allie would be 1-1 as PM but with many team wins.

Or Charmaine and Tarek in the Final 2, both 1-1 as PM and both with many team losses.

I don't know whether stars are finally aligned right for a black woman to win after so many "crazy" (and there's a reason why that is in quotation marks) black women the show has had, but Roxanne I don't think is that person. She's a young inexperienced lawyer just like Marshawn.

I believe Allie will win. I have a feeling she is Trump's favorite. The other one in the final two, hmm, really hard to guess that one at this moment. Could be almost anyone. Could be Lee (fired for being too young), Tarek (fired for too many losses and boardrooms), Charmaine (fired for being a cry baby, remember, Kendra's tears were brought on, even if it was totally different), Michael (being fired for not much experience, or not getting along with team members), Andrea (same as previous), Roxanne (hmm, Trump would have to come up with something, or, ... fire her in the next episode), Sean (for being odd, well, I think he will show more negative sides in the future episodes), or Tammy (don't know yet, but I don't see her as strong, she is somehow hollow, quiet and passive).

I disagree. I think that anybody that Trump hypes up in interviews pre-show are destined to lose (the exception being Randal - those credentials could not be denied). Allie, Tarek, and Charmaine are three people that Trump has openly praised before the start of the show. I think of it as a hex, if you will.

If that did happen, then I wouldn't be surprised. Several candidates who have just been fired have identified Allie as a strong candidate in their respective exit interviews. Dan, Bryce, and Leslie have all stated in their exit interviews that Allie is a very strong candidate and is a most likely choice for winning this season. That would lead me to believe Allie performs much better than expected in later tasks.

Except it might be that she loses the next task as a PM. Hopefully Andrea gets fired.

Last season most of the fired candidates hinted in their respective exit interviews that Alla was a very strong candidate, and she did not make it. It sounds somewhat suspicious that this season's firees tell us that Allie is a very likely winner.
Also, historically, the final two are from the opposite teams. I understand that this could be changed, but something tells me that this is what will happen this season too. At this point of the game, I think the final two will be Tammy and Tarek or Tammy and Lee.

I've spent way too much time looking at the websites and those who do have links and those who don't, and who they link to. I've listed those not on teams with them. Allie has linked to Charmaine/Tarek/Lee /Bryce/Leslie/Dan. Charmaine has linked to Allie/Tammy/Andrea /Pepi. Tammy has linked to Charmaine/Tarek /Leslie/Bryce/Dan. Andrea to Tarek/Charmaine /Dan/Lenny/Bryce/Leslie. Pepi to Charmaine/Lee/Tarek /Bryce/Dan/Lee/Leslie/Stacy/Theresa. Dan to Allie/Andrea/Sean /Pepi/Brent. It would seem that the teams will be switched soon. Lee, Roxanne, Tammy and Tarek have linked to everyone. Sean & Michael don't have active sites yet. I was going to say that I think the teams must switch this week just due to the links, but I think I've now confused myself. I'll have to ponder my thoughts to see if it still makes sense. I can see a group of Tarek/Allie/Charmaine/Tammy working pretty well together.

Those bolded are not yet fired

That's a good point. I believe the fired candidates are commenting on who they like, or who they are personally impressed by, and not so much on who makes the finals. Last season, Rebecca was one of the finalists, and yet I don't recall any of the fired candidates mentioning her as a contender (except maybe for Toral, and I'm not inclined to give that recommendation much weight). Several of the firees did mention Randal, but I think that he was one of the leading candidates throughout the season, and fairly popular with most, if not all of the other candidates, so recommending him could be a relatively safe move.

Also, I suspect the candidates could get in some legal trouble if they provided too much information about the outcome of the show, especially who makes the finals. On Lenny's website, he's made it clear that he can't answer any questions about the show.

Now, some details on various candidate websites might be interesting to think about. For instance, Tarek's website gives the last names of the candidates, so I see that as a possible indication that he doesn't make the finals, since I doubt a finalist would risk his/her position by revealing supposedly "protected" information.

Just wanted to say that I think Lee and Allie are PM's next week based on the quick shot in the preview.
I want Allie to win but the preview makes it seem like Synergy loses but then again that could just be something to throw us all off.

I think Allie will make the F2 if she wins as PM. She has been getting a positive edit, people like her and she seems to contribute on every task rather than hide out til being PM herself.

I would like a Charmaine/Allie F2 but her edit has been so negative that I can't see Trump hiring her even though she does have great presentation skills. However, Char has been getting the majority of Gold Rush's commentary/confessionals since Episode 4 when she was PM. Once she was PM, it's like every show since then has been Char narrating the whole show which would lead me to believe that she goes far.

I think someone came up with that theory in Season 3, and it didn't really work. Erin and John were the narrators since the beginning, and they were fired mid-season.

I think that at this point it is safe to say that Allie and Sean will be in the Final 2. They're the only two who haven't had any bumps in the road.

While I agree with the Allie part, Sean did mess up the presentation in the Grape-Nuts task. It wasn't too bad, but it was enough for Trump to go after him a bit. He's made up for it for the most part, but I wouldn't put money on him for F2 yet. But it could happen.

I rec'd word that Char will be at WKU on the 24th, but I don't know what for. I would speculate that she will not be eliminated next week, since is there is no airport in Bowling Green, and I would imagine if she had to travel around as the lastest eliminated apprentice she would be in Nashville getting ready to fly out that day. We shall see.

Edited to add spoiler tags just to be safe.

Let's talk about Synergy first. I think Allie will survive this week and Tammy will get fired. Remember, Tammy is the ONLY one on the team with a loss as PM. She's more vulnerable than anybody else, and the clip shows her in some sort of trouble with the boat. Allie might lose as PM, but I think Tammy will pay the price.

Sean will probably stick around for a bit, but he's annoying and I don't see him going to the end.

Roxanne and Allie are both final three material, so I'm counting on at least one of them to be in the last three. I think it will be Allie.

Andrea is final two material for sure, because she was the first person to get 2 wins as a PM. Look at Randal, Kendra, Tana, Kelly, and Dawna from Martha's show. The first person to garner multiple PM wins always at least makes the final two. That said, I think Andrea will be the runner up because she's too difficult to get along with and is an abrasive leader.

On Gold Rush, Lee may win as PM this week, but I suspect he'll go out like Clay, who also was fired after 2 PM wins. His record is okay, but he's very young and he's not easy to work with.

Tarek, like Tammy, needs to get that PM win if he wants to stay in the game. He may get one, but I doubt he'll make the final three. Another "Mensa" mistake or two, and he's done.

Michael will probably mess up as a team member or as PM, by not being decisive enough. The chances are Gold Rush won't do as good of a job of putting the task together as Synergy did despite his bad leadership, and he'll pay the price.

Finally, I think Charmaine will get another PM win and she'll make the final two. She's lost many tasks, but she's the best member of Gold Rush and she always seems to be right.

Therefore, I think it will be Andrea vs. Charmaine at the finale, and Charmaine will be crowned the next Apprentice.

paulyb84,

You may be right, but I am not so sure about Charmaine winning TA title. As far as I remember, Kelly, Kendra, Randal, Dawna, even Tana were on the winning teams for the most time during their respective TA interviews. This fact seems to mean that their participation mattered. Charmaine is on the losing team. If she is that good to be a winner, why did she allow her team to lose 6 times in a row? Also, some time ago, right before she became a PM, Trump really wanted her in the boardroom as he thought she screwed up and deserved to be in the BR and may be even get fired. None of the past winners were edited like that. Even when they were wrong (i.e., Rebecca), they've been edited nicely. That said, I think Lee could be one of the finalists this season.

You raise good points about Charmaine's record. However, on most of Gold Rush's losses, she's been one of the strongest members and also one of the biggest contributors to the task. Keep in mind, on Martha's show, Bethenny made the final two with a losing record. The reason I mention her is because I felt like she was often seen narrating the shows, and we often see Charmaine in a similar manner. Up against someone like Andrea, who I think will certainly be in the final two, I feel like Charmaine will take it home and win.

I doubt Lee will be the finals because he's too inexperienced and a bit abrasive. Andrea is abrasive too, but she's much more competent. Also, I think DT is gunning for a female Apprentice this year, so he won't bother with Lee in the finals.

Something tells me that Allie and Charmaine will be the F2. Allie will most likely win because Charmaine has been such a whiner and Trump hates whiners.

That's possible, as is an Allie-Andrea final two. Remember, Andrea's record and Trump's high opinion of her will probably keep her in. The interviewers will respect her entrepreneurial spirit, as she's created everything she has, just like Tana. If it's Andrea vs. Allie, my money's on Allie, though. She's young like Kendra, and I could see it as a replay of the Kendra-Tana matchup.

Got my reply deleted :), so I'll write it again ;)

It looks like Trump doesn't like Charmaine, so it is hard to believe he'll hire her. Trump will find a way to fire her and justify it. She may even get to F2.

In my banned post I said that this is not a game. By that I meant that Apprentice is not a game, where collecting points(Won PMs) or win-ratio will make you the winner. In the end it is Trump's decision who he fires. With a little help of editing and grilling them in boardroom, he can fire who ever he wants over little mistakes.

Charmaine is not getting very good edit, we'll see in time how it will turn out.

We're down to eight candidates, so it's a good time to look at relative standings.

Lee is the only surviving candidate who has led twice and has won both times. Not that this guarantees anything, since other candidates with two winning turns as PM have been fired before the final four, but he has the best record so far. Allie also has two turns as PM, with one win and one loss, which lowers her standing: she still could turn it around, and end up in the final four, but reaching that goal will be harder for her from now on.

The remaining candidates have done one turn as PM. Charmaine, Roxanne, Sean, and Michael all won in their first turn as PM, so they have the opportunity to lead again and win, which would improve their chances of making the final four. Tarek and Tammy both lost in their first turn as PM, so they really need to win the next time around. Theoretically, they
*could* survive another loss as PM--it's happened before--but they'd be fighting their way uphill.

So, as I figure it, in terms of current standings (by "standings," I'm looking solely at the win-loss record), Lee is at the top and Allie is at the bottom right now. Charmaine, Roxanne, Sean and Michael are somewhere just below Lee, while Tarek and Tammy are somewhere below those four and above Allie.

I am looking at relative standings solely based on the negative editing that they received and going by the fact that none of the previous winners were edited badly.
Before today's episode I said


Now I add Allie to the list of those who are not going to win, because Trump is not going to hire someone who is so obsessed with blood.

I think Tarek's stock has gone up just a little. I can see Tarek winning if and only if he starts winning a lot from this point on, and then I can see Trump playing the "you started off slow but redeemed yourself at the end" card. Also Sean and Roxanne were edited pretty well.

At this point based on the editing I think the most likely winners are Roxanne and Tammy (in that order). Tarek and Sean both got mixed editing (Sean was shown as a weirdo, while Tarek was criticized for his mistakes) but I think stellar performance from them can overcome that. Charmaine, Lee, Michael, and now Allie will be fired at some point, even if one of them gets to the Final 2.

I agree about Charmaine, Lee, Michael or Tarek not winning, but I think you have too much faith in Tammy, she has a loss as a pm, and lost her notes in the last episode.

Roxanne is going strong indeed, but I still think Allie hasn't lost her chance yet.

Sad that Andrea is gone, I really expected her to make the final 4. She seemed like a really honest and genuine person, and maybe too much so--not enough squabbling and backstabbing skills in a cut-throat environment, and that's what got her fired.

Another person on that team who also has integrity (possibly too much) is Sean, and I see him leaving soon, too. I lost all respect for Allie after yesterday's episode, and clearly she is not a strong leader. And I think Trump hates Charmaine, and I do too, she is too vile and flaky. The Apprentice with a Thousand Faces--that would not be pretty.

So will it be Tammy the Sheep? What is this show becoming, The Secretary? (No offence to Maggie Gyllenhaal). I think actually that so far, Roxanne is getting the winner's edit.

Yeah I have no idea who's going to win either. Tammy is good in a lot of ways even though she lost as PM but in other ways she's just the female version of Michael -- a follower who doesn't really get a lot of screen time. Speaking of Michael, he doesn't seem to do much and is really indecisive and irritating.

As for the rest of Gold Rush, Charmaine is obnoxious and shrill and I can see her getting Cobra'd as PM in a spectacular loss. Plus her team doesn't seem to like her much so they might gang up on her in the boardroom. Tarek is improving but that's not enough for me to ignore how assy he was in the beginning. Lee is, like, Mini-Trump in a lot of ways both good and bad. His youth/inexperience will probably work against him.

Then there's Synergy ... Allie's spectacular "BLOOD ON THE FUCKING WALLS!!!1" meltdown might be a foreshadowing of things to come. I liked her a lot at the beginning but she's starting to bug. Tammy, again, a follower in a lot of ways. Sean and Roxanne are actually looking like the best bets, maybe Roxanne more than Sean though. Sean will have to be careful not to turn into a Michael-esque wimp and/or get caught on the wrong side of an alliance within Synergy (aka he'll have to avoid being on Allie's bad side.) Allie survived this week when she could have gone home and Mandrea got the boot instead so that says to me that if Allie/Roxanne/maybe even Tammy gang up on Sean, his ass is grass.

Actually:

I think Lee is in the final two because of the fact the finale is on Monday, June 5, which I think is earlier than what was originally planned.

As far as that goes (concerning Lee), its been noted in some circles that the 7-Eleven Task was originally scheduled to air on April 24 and then was moved up to April 17 before being moved up again to the second episode on April 10. That suggests that NBC may have originally planned to have the finale on Friday, June 16 (with a clip show originally on most likely April 3 and then likely originally changed to May 29 before that was moved entirely to CNBC and NBC moving the show itself to Fridays in June) since in the middle of June, Friday is the only night of the week NBC could have the finale.

That is the case because from Wednesday, June 7 to Monday, June 19, NBC has to to keep Mondays, Wednesdays and Saturdays open as possible Stanley Cup (NHL) Finals dates (NBC has Games 3-7 while OLN has Games 1-2) while at the same time, NBC really can't air the finale opposite an NBA Finals game on ABC (with the earliest possible starting date being June 8 and those on most likely a Sunday-Tuesday-Thursday schedule) as it would get killed by that. Since Dan and Lee are observant Jews, that would make a Friday finale difficult anyway because even though it's in LA, it would be very close to sunset at the time the finale would end in LA around 8:00 PM local time (11:00 PM ET), and even more so if Lee became The Apprentice because he would be expected to attend a number of photo ops following the finale. Since that would be impossible for Lee to do on a Friday night because of the Sabbath, that likely forced NBC to move the finale back to a Monday night and then to June 5 when it was realized NBC was almost certain to have a Stanley Cup Finals game the following Monday.

That to me is why Lee is in the final two.

Oh I actually don't think Tammy is so great, at least we have seen no evidence of it. She is a good worker bee and seems to have a nice personality but she definitely does not do anything out of the ordinary, and if she were to win, she'd be the most FUTR winner yet. Kendra received a lot of criticism for being FUTR but by this time in the season she showed her abilities at least a couple of times (golf task and some auction task), one of which was a PM win.

However, at this point Tammy did not get any bad editing: she has made mistakes and had a loss as a PM but those things were downplayed (kind of similar to how Rebecca's mistakes were downplayed). She didn't appear unpleasant, or odd, or arrogant and she is quite attractive and in Trump's world (as icky as it is) that is a definite advantage.

I think that the final four will be Allie, Roxanne, Charmaine, and Lee. Tarek, Tammy, and Michael will be eliminated for having weak PM records or for making mistakes on tasks, like Tarek's PM loss and mistakes in subsequent tasks, Michael's weak PM stint and bathrobes idea, and Tammy's PM loss and her notebook loss this week. Those three will probably have more screw-ups, and they'll go. I think Sean's relationship with Tammy will be his downfall.

To get the final four down to two, I would say that Allie and Lee will be let go for being a bit immature; they both have decent PM records and Allie has a solid team record, but Lee isn't great at getting along with his team and Allie doesn't handle conflict in a completely mature manner, as we saw in this last boardroom.

Therefore, I now believe that Roxanne and Charmaine will be the final two. They are both very smart, reasonably mature, and they are good presenters and speakers. Whoever wins is a toss-up.

From the Michael thread:


I'm quite interested to see what will happen the next time Gold Rush loses. I suspect they'll be winning quite a bit from now on though. Anyone want to predict what Charmaine, Lee and Tarek will do the next time they lose? Those 3 are the most dynamic individuals left, with no friends left. And they all dislike each other. Immensely. But they're desperate to win.

Will the TLC triad scheme to get rid of their weakest member? Or will they try to take one another down, as they probably the other two as their stronger contenders and Michael is just an easy target that can be taken down anytime. I suspect Charmaine will try her best to make Michael her girlfriend. They can bond over color selection or something. Or brightly-colored scarves.

I predict Gold Rush will win under Tarek and Charmaine. Next, Trump will ask for a volunteer from Gold Rush to lead Synergy to victory, and Tarek and Lee would be stumbling over one another for the "glory". But Lee, being the politician, may think twice about it and not want to move to a losing team and would rather stick with Tarek and Charmaine (better the devil you know...). So Tarek moves over instead.

To recap, here's how I think it will go:

Wk 10: Teams are 4-4. Charmaine & Tammy square off as PM again. Gold Rush wins, Sean goes home as the 3 women gang up on him for siding with Andrea the week before despite him trying to kiss up to Tammy.
Wk 11: Teams are 4-3. Tarek & Roxanne PM. Gold Rush wins, Tammy goes home. (Roxanne & Allie have an alliance and Trump is easily influenced by the "disruptive" argument, having sent Clay, Andrea, Melissa, Kristi and Brent home based on that)
Wk 12: Tarek moves over to Synergy. Teams are 3-3. Allie & Michael PM. Synergy wins, Michael goes home.
Wk 13: 32 min of the episode showcases Charmaine and Lee squabbling. Lee & Tarek PM. Tarek goes home. The reward video on Yahoo! is titled "Silent Night" as Charmaine and Lee don't talk to each other during the reward.
Wk 14: Lee is fired despite a 3-0 win as PM for being too young and Allie for being a bobblehead lacking substance. Roxanne and Charmaine F2. Charmaine's 2-0 while Roxanne is 1-1. But Roxanne has more team wins 7-6 over Charmaine 6-7.

There has been some speculation here and at survivor sucks about a possible Lee vs Roxanne finale. I am not crazy about either of them (though I have Roxanne winning at the moment for lack of a better idea) but I love the idea of two of the greener, younger candidates in the finale so that the winner is a real apprentice who ideally could learn something from a Trump job. In my opinion only, Kendra was the only real apprentice, young and less polished who won so far. I did not love her but she was the right choice. Lee and Roxanne have not shown as much creativity and marketing ability but they are pretty sure of themselves and thus good candidates for growth. I do not see it in the other candidates this time.

Maybe that's why Trump decided to allow voting for the audience's favourite F2 candidate. I don't see either of them as being "star" candidates and if DT feels the same way, he probably could care less who he picked, and so opted to leave a huge part of his decision up to the viewers. This would give him an idea of who people liked watching and could see as The Apprentice and, at the same time, allow for more viewer involvement (which would hopefully result in higher ratings and the like).

I don't see any of them as "star" candidates. IMO, this season's bunch is very week.

After last episode these were my predictions


Unfortunately I missed 2/3 of the episode so I am missing some information about Roxanne, Tammy and Sean's performance, but I did catch the reward part where Allie's bitching confirmed my theory that she'll be fired. Obviously Tammy's position as my 2nd favorite strengthened by her win

So now I still think Roxanne and Tammy are most likely winners (not sure of the order anymore). I really don't know how Sean did but I'm guessing his editing is still mixed from viewing people's comments. Allie, Lee and Michael will still be fired, Michael's good boardroom performance notwithstanding. I think if he was someone Trump was considering for a win they would not have shown all the footage of him annoying the judges in the task that he PM'd, they could have easily excluded the footage since the team won.

One thing that can always be counted on in this show is that the best candidates will get the best edits, and the worst will get the loser edits. Based on that, I think a final two of Roxanne and Tammy is inevitable.

Lee has been portrayed as a smarmy, obsequious kiss-ass with no actual leadership skills. No way is he getting hired.

Michael, while he has had his moments, has poor leadership skills at best, and his OCD-resembling attention to detail and Martin Prince-like demeanor will get him fired. Soon.

Sean, while undeniably charming, doesn't really strike me as the CEO type. I see Trump hiring him in precisely zero out of infinity scenarios.

Allie is this season's Alla. If you remember, last season Alla seemed tough and professional, and yet likeable, with a zero tolerance for BS. It wasn't until the 2-3 weeks leading up to her dismissal that her Eastern European/ vampire/dominatrix personality emerged, showing her for the harpy she was. Allie's "there will be blood" speech seemed just a little too over-the-top for me. Rebecca would not have done that.

Tammy is a definite contender. We've seen her mostly in a positive light. She hasn't gotten as much screen times as others, but at least she's been more vocal and supportive and less FUTR than Leslie. And I have never seen a losing PM coddled in the BR as much as Tammy, back when Trump pounced on Synergy's razor-thin loss to bounce Brent's chubby caboose.

Roxanne may just be the front-runner. She has gotten no loser edits at all, with only a couple of asterisks attached to her behavior. Her attachment to Allie may be both a positive and a negative, depending on how you look at it... Rebecca's attachment to Toral only did her good, and I think Roxanne is smart enough to jump the Allie ship should Allie crash and burn in the near future. She's led well, and followed well, and been very well-spoken in the BR. Trump clearly likes her, and while she's not the clear runaway winner that Randal was, I think that hiring her would do a lot to mend this show's scarred reputation when it comes to featuring crazy African-American women as candidates.

What worries me is: if Roxanne is hired, there will probably be a big discussion as to whether she was hired for just this reason, or because of an affirmative-action issue, rather than because Roxanne is simply the best candidate. If Roxanne is going to be the winner, I'm hoping the editors show us at her absolute possible best so that we can actually believe that her hiring is because she's awesome (which she is), and not for any other reason (which would suck, but that's the world we live in).

I hate everyone that remains. *sigh*

Isn't that just about what Trump wants? Lee didn't seem all that unlike Bill last night, except for straddling the fence too long, and annoying Trump and Bill a bit (Carolyn seemed more amused by it).


Trump seemed to take a sudden liking to him. A cynic might wonder if he was seeing another minority candidate plausible enough to make F4. Could just be a need to find some new stars quick.

After Lee's sexist comment in the last episode I can't see Trump ever hiring him especially w/ a hardcore female like Carolyn by his side. If Lee is F2 than he just handed the win over to his opponent.

The only contestants I can see possibly winning are Roxanne, despite her Allie worship, Tammy, despite her PM loss and Sean.
Sean, essentially did nothing wrong in the BR and imo showed that he can think for himself and is not easily persuaded by a crowd especially if he disagrees w/ their position. Sean showed that he is his own person whereas Roxanne, a clear frontrunner, has not. In fact she has shown herself to be Allie's sidekick on more than one occasion.

Lee is garbage, Michael is too weird and Allie is Alla in sheeps' clothing and none of them will ever win.

It is worth noting that there was no reshuffle this season. We saw Michael move to Gold Rush, and we'll most likely see Sean go there next Monday. However, after GR lost and Leslie was sent home, it would have made sense for DT to reshuffle the teams. Last year, Randal moved to Capital Edge and the women still lost, and DT then reshuffled. On Martha's show, Leslie moved to Matchstick and they still lost, so she reshuffled.

My theory is that DT decided after several weeks that the Gold Rush candidates, with the possible exceptions of Charmaine and Lee, were not qualified to work for his company, largely because of their personalities. Therefore, he decided that instead of switching up the teams and forcing some of the Synergy people out sooner, he'd basically keep the teams constant and let GR implode, as they have continued to do. Lee is the last remaining member of the original squad, and DT is probably very happy about that.

Are you certain that Lee is actually that observant? Not working on the high holidays, and particularly Yom Kippur, is pretty much universal among all Jews. It's not necessarily a sign that you're especially devout. I've known completely atheist Jews who still would not work on Yom Kippur, simply because it was such a major part of their upbringing and culture.

On the other hand, keeping completely shomer shabbos is relatively rare -- restricted, more or less, to the Orthodox and some Conservatives. Maybe Lee is that observant, but it's not something I'd just assume. He's not someone I would peg him off the bat as halachically correct. He doesn't wear a kippah, for instance.

Perhaps it's not about Lee, but some of his fans. They don't want to lose or upset any viewers.

Then they wouldn't put in the graveyard slot of a Friday night, no matter who the contestants are.

Except after June 5, Friday is the only night of the week NBC could have the finale until June 21 at the earliest due to NBC having to keep dates open for Stanley Cup Finals games and not wanting to go opposite NBA Finals games on ABC that would kill it.

Friday may be a "graveyard" night, but NBC really didn't have any other options after June 5, which I really think was caused by poor planning on NBC's part (not realizing a Friday finale would be difficult on Dan and Lee).

But, again, is there something specific that makes you think Lee or Dan keep the sabbath? Just because someone observes the high holy days doesn't mean they're Orthodox or that they also keep shomer shabbos. The Ellis Island task was on Oct. 22, which was a Saturday. Lee didn't seem to have any problems working then. The Week Four task happened over the weekend between Rosh Hashannah and Yom Kippur, and both Lee and Dan were around to work.

I mostly agree, in fact I have been trying to predict the winner (by eliminating the losers) for 3 weeks or so based on the editing. However, I think it is possible that someone with a relatively bad edit makes it to the Final 2 and loses. A good example of it would be Tana, even though she was edited well for the most part of the season, by this point in the season a LOT of the cracks started showing. I think in the past the editing would show some flaws of the person Trump will not hire, just to make the firing justified in the audience's mind.

That's why I believe it's possible for someone like Sean or Michael to make it to the Final 2. In fact they would be good runners up, because they both have their flaws.

So I think at this point it is inevitable that either Roxanne or Tammy will win, but it's possible that someone else is going to be the runner up. Unfortunately I haven't been watching all the episodes so I really can't judge who seems more likely to win, Roxanne or Tammy. As I understand, Roxanne basically had a greater visibility than Tammy which means slightly more negative edits and slightly more positive edits.

Lee may have been edited negatively, but I think he is one of the smartest among the extremely boring and weak cast this season. I can only imagine how fast they all would 'expire' had they been in season 1, 2 or even 3. I think Lee will be F2 against Roxanne. I also think Trump will hire them both.

CosmicRayRay said:



As far as I know, Dan and Lee both normally observe the Sabbath, as do most, if not all Orthodox Jews that I've encountered over my lifetime (and I went to a school of mainly Orthodox Jews from 1981-'84 in Brooklyn). I suspect for this show, Dan and Lee decided they would work on Friday night and Saturday if it were necessary, but not work on Rosh Hashanah or Yom Kippur (which Dan didn't on the former before being "fired" and Lee in both cases). Under normal circumstances, however, they would not work, ride cars, use electricity and so forth, and that would present a potential problem if on a Friday finale Lee became The Apprentice, as he would be expected to attend many photo ops at post-finale parties that would occur after sundown in LA.

That is why I think Lee is in the final two and his being in the final two resulted in the finale being moved up from an original airdate of Friday, June 16 to Monday, June 5.