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Susan StoHelit
Rebecca is hired, and so is Josh?(the guy that the autismspeaks lady really liked).

Now that would be a surprise!
scarletsmith

I'm wondering if Trump is allowing an ex-Apprentice comptete again in a future season, like LA Apprentice.[/quote]

If that's the case and Randal's event is the disaster of epic proportions the spoiler info says it was, then it will definitely be Randal who gets the re-invite.
donalsduck
I think the biggest shocker will be that there will be no shocker. Randal is hired and that's it.
johnnywang57
I just had the most frightening thought ever. What if the shocker was...they hire Rebecca. No double-hiring. No consolation prizes. Rebecca is the Apprentice. "We actually fucking did it. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!"

Now THAT's a shocker!
johnnywang57
never mind, sorry for double post
angusgreen

I'm wondering if Trump is allowing an ex-Apprentice comptete again in a future season, like LA Apprentice.

If that's the case and Randal's event is the disaster of epic proportions the spoiler info says it was, then it will definitely be Randal who gets the re-invite.[/quote]

Actually, that wouldn't be totally illogical. About a month ago there was a spoiler earlier that strongly suggested Randal and another female contestant (or possibly his wife) makes an apperance in S5 with Kendra and Bill (of course there were also spoilers around that time that indicate he'd be fired before the radio task.


Randal is hired as Trump's Apprentice, while Rebecca (if she does in fact lose) is immediately hired afterwards by CNBC and starts there on Monday (if so, in a deal NBC-Universal and Dow Jones, who jointly own CNBC would have been allowed to work on with Rebecca by Mark Burnett with the provision that it would be voided if she was picked by Trump).

Far-fetched? Not at all! Rebecca is a financial journalist, and CNBC is embarking on a revamp of its format that begins Monday. This includes:[/quote]

Rebecca, since she's 22 and had a career as a Bond Trader and Charity volunteer beforehand, must have spent all of five minutes as a journalist. A network are not going to put someone untried and untested in on an important national show - not least because Rebecca would be totally inexperienced and they'd have a mutiny on their hands from more experienced staff.

... on the other hand she is described as a 'Financial Journalist' on the programme and David Gould was described as a 'Venture Capitalist' even though he only got the job after he was fired from the Apprentice.
Wallyhorse

Rebecca, since she's 22 and had a career as a Bond Trader and Charity volunteer beforehand, must have spent all of five minutes as a journalist. A network are not going to put someone untried and untested in on an important national show - not least because Rebecca would be totally inexperienced and they'd have a mutiny on their hands from more experienced staff.[/quote]

Except a good number of those who appear on CNBC did not start out as journalists. Many actually worked as bond traders like Rebecca or in stocks and other areas. Sure, Rebecca is inexperienced, but she clearly is very bright and would very quickly learn the ropes, especially since she has been a financial journalist, even if it's been for a short period.

Another reason I could see Rebecca joining CNBC: Have you seen their ratings? They are practically non-existant at some parts of the day, and if Rebecca brought with her any significant number of Apprentice fans at all, that would cause a major boost in their ratings (and for CNBC, even a one-tenth of one point ratings increase is huge, and I suspect it would be more than that).
Magsi2

just forwarded me an invite to The Apprentice afterparty at Bed, Friday December 16th in Manhattan. Interestingly, it says that a portion of the proceeds will be donated to "autismspeaks.org". It makes me wonder if Randal's team didn't raise the most money, and this is a way to supplement.[/quote]
It could also be that as a "reward" to Randal for winning the F2 event, his charity will have the opportunity to be recognized again and garner even more $ for their cause. I know your scenario seems more likely, but it is a possibility. Does anyone remember if there were any charities involved in the last after party with Kendra/Tana? I know their final tasks weren't charity related, but I don't remember.
ghettofabman

Does anyone remember if there were any charities involved in the last after party with Kendra/Tana? I know their final tasks weren't charity related, but I don't remember. [/quote]

There were no outside charities involved with the Kendra/Tana final 2. They were working solely for NYC2012 and Playstation 2.
adrem

Another reason I could see Rebecca joining CNBC: Have you seen their ratings? They are practically non-existant at some parts of the day, and if Rebecca brought with her any significant number of Apprentice fans at all, that would cause a major boost in their ratings (and for CNBC, even a one-tenth of one point ratings increase is huge, and I suspect it would be more than that). [/quote]

I am not sure if CNBC will even want to deal with Rebecca. If they watched the show, they know that her performance was meh (i.e., mediocre). But if she tries to pull on them the "Integrity" bs, or steals something that is not locked good enough (i.e., megaphones), or states something bad on air to get back to a co-worker, she could be a liability. That's in addition to being totally inexperienced.
I know for sure I wouldn't want to lose an hour or two of my sleep time to watch Rebecca on CNBC - even if I were her fan. With that kind of performance, how many fans does she have anyway?

I think if there is a shocker on Thursday, and it is not Martha Stewart giving Trump a haircut, it should be something related to this show and current season.
her kind

Except a good number of those who appear on CNBC did not start out as journalists. Many actually worked as bond traders like Rebecca or in stocks and other areas. Sure, Rebecca is inexperienced, but she clearly is very bright and would very quickly learn the ropes, especially since she has been a financial journalist, even if it's been for a short period.[/quote]
I completely agree with this. It wouldn't be that much of a stretch to see her excelling in that area. Though I'm going to go ahead and put my hat in the ring with some of the others and say that my guess is the shocker will just be a double hiring. Which I'll be content with, because I think they're both deserving.
adrem
Another speculation. They could arrange two 1-900 numbers for viewers to call in and voice their choice of a candidate, with proceeds going to R&R respective charities. The story behind this could be that R&R are running so close that Trump couldn't decide (bull...!). Or that he decided to have formal interviews replaced with viewers' vote. Or something else along these lines. Would this qualify for a shocker?
jjj
If Randal's performance/event does not merit top place in the finale, I am betting that DT will take past performance into account and make the double hire -- they have set the stage for this with all the multiple firings. DT was on "Regis and Kelly" today, and talked about Randal's great educational background, about Rebecca's backgorund as a reporter, and that she is loyal -- extremely loyal -- loyal "to a fault" -- and how much he values loyalty.

So, if the two options are (1) overseeing the construction of one of the world's largest multi-use buildings, and (2) supervising the decorations for the new baby room in the Trump palace, which Apprentice will get assigned to which project?
SmokeyBear
Trump and the previously fired candidates will be on Donny Deutsch’s show tonight. Alla was on earlier in the week for a truly bizarre interview. Think Omarosa with blond hair, and a weird dress.

If Deutsch follows the format of his previous Apprentice shows, Bill/Kelly/Kendra will also be on, as will Carolyn & George.
CheekyCricket
Actually, the listing mentions Bill, along with Trump, George, Carolyn and the "16 castoffs." (Too bad it didn't say "castaways," a la Gilligan's Island). See
here.

I watched some of Deutsch's interview with Alla, thought I missed the first few minutes, but I didn't pick up the similarities to Omarosa?
SmokeyBear

I watched some of Deutsch's interview with Alla, thought I missed the first few minutes, but I didn't pick up the similarities to Omarosa?[/quote]

Both live in their own fantasy world completely untouched by reality. Both look you straight in the eye and lie without the slightest hesitation. Both are as mean as a snake. Just one example would be Alla telling Deutsch that the only way she could find out how to purchase a liquor license would be to take her clothes off, and therefore had to be a stripper. Say what??? Guess my business professors in college completely missed that one. LOL

However I do have to give both credit for fully exploiting their 15 minutes to the maximum, even if they are completely cold blooded.
donalsduck

I watched some of Deutsch's interview with Alla, thought I missed the first few minutes, but I didn't pick up the similarities to Omarosa?[/quote]
Both seem to evoke strong feelings in some people, these are the only similarities I can see.
CheekyCricket
Well put, donalsduck.

If anything interesting emerges during the DonnyDeutsch hour, and if I can keep myself awake, I'll post a report on the Media thread.

ETA: I was going to put this in the Media thread, but it might feed speculation about tomorrow night. Deutsch interviewed Trump for the first half-hour, and didn't ask him about Randal and Rebecca until the end. Trump claims that he still hasn't decided, that Randal has a great education and everyone loves him, and that Rebecca also has a great education, and he loves her loyalty. Then he mentioned Rebecca's bringing back Toral for the final task, and commented to the effect that Rebecca's loyalty is a good thing in some ways, and not a good thing in other ways. I should have written down his exact phrasing: perhaps someone else will recall it.

All of the firees were there except Alla and Josh. It's quite amusing because when Deutsch addressed individual people, the responses were clear, but once he started moving into addressing questions to the group, it became a bicker-fest. Hilarious. Deutsch did stick his foot directly in the muck by saying that from a media-watcher's perspective, Randal has a leg up in the final competition because he's African-American, and hiring an African-American candidate would be excellent P.R. for the show (God, Donnie can be a tool). After the sound of many voices died down a bit, Marshawn made an excellent point: the problem is that Randal is extremely well-educated, has run his own business, is respected by everyone, and yet the first thing Deutsch brought up as Randal's advantage was his race. And that bothered her, and rightly so. Earlier, Clay had made a related point by saying that what would bother him, if Randal doesn't win, is that Randal has a superior education, a superior track (win-loss) record in the competition, and is well-liked by everyone (which suggests that not everyone likes Rebecca). Toral, of course, supported Rebecca, as did Adam, but there was such a din of voices that it was difficult to hear anyone else. One thing most of the firees seemed to agree on was that Trump would do what he wanted to do, regardless of what others wanted him to do. When Deutschie asked them to write down their choice for winner, Randal was the overwhelming favorite. There may have
ghettofabman
I don't remember verbatim, but he said that Rebecca was "loyal to a fault. Sometimes, that is a good thing, but other times that can be very, very bad." He also spoke a bit negatively about Randal as well, but I can't remember what he said. Rebecca's loyalty comments are what stood out with me.
CheekyCricket
That sounds about right, ghettofabman, or close enough for me. I didn't remember Trump saying anything strongly negative about Randal; however, I've hardly ever heard him say anything directly negative about Rebecca, and it really stood out that he made the remark after he noted that Rebecca had chosen Toral to be on her final team. It suggested that he had mixed feelings about that particular decision of hers.
CurryMasala
CheekyCricket, can you write more about the Donny show? I was able to catch only the last 15 minutes. I cannot believe that I missed the previous similar shows, despite my being a big TA fan!
jjj
I think it is very interesting that he used exactly the same phrases on two shows today -- maybe rehearsing them for the finale?
toonces464
What I found interesting was that despite the fact that Mark seemed a bit annoyed with Randal during the set-up fiasco, both he and Marshawn, Randal's employees, picked him last night...while out of Rebecca's three employees, only Toral picked her, despite Chris and James both saying that while they liked Randal, their job was to help Rebecca win.
Booklord
Wallyhorse wrote in the Rebecca Thread

I still don't think Randal will lose even if he loses this task, since this won't entirely be his fault. Remember, Kelly didn't have a "Plan B" either when his event was in peril because of rain.[/quote]

That depends if the lack of shelter can be attributed to him or not. If they can't play the game.... oh well these things happen. But if they don't have adequate seating or shelter for all the assembled guests and celebrities..... Randal may be in trouble. If the lack of shelter and/or seating can be linked to Randal cutting corners because he was behind schedule and finishing setting up the field in the wee hours of the night..... Randal is toast. I also think the Party City shopping trip will come up as well. Both for spending may too much time and for giving out gift bags filled with cheap plastic crap. I think the folks coming to this event will not be impressed. It also is a bad sign that Randal has so far failed to impress either the Charity or the sponsor.

I hope Randal pulls this out. ( Watching Tana crash and burn was fun, but I like Randal ) But he was made a couple big mistakes that could really come back to haunt him. The stage is set for the softball event to be a critical failure. If Randal can somehow recover from his bad start and do a decent job in spite of the rain then he deserves to win. If not.... May Trump show mercy for the Outback guy shall not.
highlander
Did Chris and James pick Randal to become the Apprentice on Donny D.'s show? Did they say why Josh wasn't there? I assume Alla wasn't because she was on already.



I hope Randal pulls this out. ( Watching Tana crash and burn was fun, but I like Randal ) But he was made a couple big mistakes that could really come back to haunt him. The stage is set for the softball event to be a critical failure. If Randal can somehow recover from his bad start and do a decent job in spite of the rain then he deserves to win. If not.... May Trump show mercy for the Outback guy shall not. [/quote]

What may come back to haunt Randal is that he was asked if he wanted anymore tents. He replied he only needed one for the VIPs. I thought he should have asked for more (assuming they were free) and then if he did not need to use them, he wouldn't. Am I correct in thinking that if he had more tents for all the people, then if the game got rained out, he could still have the party outside? Does anyone remember this differently? I thought squeezing all the people in a room wouldn't have to be if he had tents for everyone. Also, does anyone know if the tents were free.
Booklord
I think the tents were free. My guess is that Outback was a bunch of tents in stock. ( with their corporate logo of course )

What I don't get is why Randal who mass hired temps in the Wrapping task, is so reluctant to hire help to set up the ballpark. 4 hired hands could have made a tremendous difference. Surely the budget can't be that tight. ( Of course their shopping at party city so maybe it is )
toonces464

Did Chris and James pick Randal to become the Apprentice on Donny D.'s show? Did they say why Josh wasn't there? I assume Alla wasn't because she was on already.[/quote]

Yes, they did. Everyone picked Randal except Toral and Adam. Adam kind of surprised me, because he never worked with Rebecca (something Felicia mentioned to him), although he remarked on her loyalty to Toral, which is why I assume he picked her.

No clue why Josh and Alla weren't there, but I missed the first few minutes.
highlander
It turns out that setting up the ballpark doesn't mean a thing if there are no plans to cover the field in case it rains. I think (or hope) there must have been a tight budget and they couldn't do everything they wanted. I also wonder why Marshawn who looks like she would know these things, didn't take charge of picking the party favors for the gift bags and saying no to what some of the guys were picking. It seemed she was picking ridulous things too. I was very surprised at that. I thought having her on Randal's team, would give Randal and the others, a classy way of arranging a party or fundraiser.



Yes, they did. Everyone picked Randal except Toral and Adam. Adam kind of surprised me, because he never worked with Rebecca (something Felicia mentioned to him), although he remarked on her loyalty to Toral, which is why I assume he picked her.[/quote]

Thank you. Is it possible that Adam and Rebecca became friendly when Rebecca went to him after the XM task and asked him about Clay because she needed ammunition in the boardroom. He seemed to really like helping her out. I also think that with them being the same age, both with good educational credentials, and both serious people that they had alot in common and that Adam related to her.
toonces464

Thank you. Is it possible that Adam and Rebecca became friendly when Rebecca went to him after the XM task and asked him about Clay because she needed ammunition in the boardroom. He seemed to really like helping her out. I also think that with them being the same age, both with good educational credentials, and both serious people that they had alot in common and that Adam related to her.[/quote]

Ah, that could very well be. I didn't think of that.

I was more surprised though to see two of Rebecca's three people picking Randal. Toral one would expect...but the way James and Chris talked about how their goal was to help Rebecca win, it really surprised me a lot that they would so openly throw their support behind Randal.
CheekyCricket
I don't remember anything being said about why Alla and Josh weren't there.

CurryMasala, I will post a bit more about the show in the Media thread. It will be stream-of-consciousness, based on the bits I remember.

I also think the Party City shopping trip will come up as well. Both for spending may too much time and for giving out gift bags filled with cheap plastic crap.[/quote]
I still think the quality of the gifts is due to budgetary constraints. If Trump and MB are expecting high-quality gift bags, they'd have to give Randal more than $5,000 for the event. Also, I didn't catch anything about the tents being provided by Outback free of charge. The head jerk from Outback asserted that they needed more tents but didn't offer to provide any; from what I recall,he just assumed Randal would get them.
cricket sa

The head jerk from Outback asserted that they needed more tents but didn't offer to provide any[/quote]

He did offer to provide more tents. Randal didn't take him up on it.
King Solomon

I was more surprised though to see two of Rebecca's three people picking Randal. Toral one would expect...but the way James and Chris talked about how their goal was to help Rebecca win, it really surprised me a lot that they would so openly throw their support behind Randal.[/quote]
I really wish I had seen the show (or thought to TIVO it). That being said, I can imagine that James and Chris supporting Rebecca and then voting for Potus, I mean Randal, is a guy-thing and kind of a jock-thing. Several of the guys built a very strong attachment to and admiration of Randal which probably transcends just about everything else.
SeaBreeze341

I thought he should have asked for more (assuming they were free) and then if he did not need to use them, he wouldn't. Am I correct in thinking that if he had more tents for all the people, then if the game got rained out, he could still have the party outside? Does anyone remember this differently? I thought squeezing all the people in a room wouldn't have to be if he had tents for everyone. Also, does anyone know if the tents were free.[/quote]

I agree, highlander; this might hurt him, which is why I have to think that the only way he could pull this off should he lose this final task is for him to refer back to the entire season and his success.

As for James/Chris supporting Randal, I'm not too surprised. While their goal was to help Rebecca, they actually bonded with Randal during their season and never really worked with Rebecca prior to the end.

It's interesting; can't wait to see how it plays out. I don't know if my final call is a spoiler since I haven't seen any for at least a week, but as much as I want to see a double-hire, I really don't think it'll happen tonight. I think they'll be hired, but just one tonight and one in the future. If Randal pulls out the win, then maybe that surprise would be Rebecca being hired down the road, and then being the new viceroy for the Fall 2006 season of TA. IMO, she would be one scary but tough viceroy.
CheekyCricket
I've been recounting parts of the Deutschie show over on the Media thread, and recall Trump saying that Bill will probably leave and go out on his own next March, which might mean that he won't be involved in the show after season 5, which must have finished taping by now. I could actually see Randal in a Viceroy role more than Rebecca. (I don't find her particularly intimidating, myself. Tough, yes, but scary, no.) Besides, look at Bill. Who's intimidated by him? He looks too perpetually frightened to be intimidating.

After watching last night's show, I felt like Randal truly does have the respect of all his fellow candidates, that they view him as a superlative candidate, and have viewed him as superlative since the beginning. I didn't get the impression that they felt that way about Rebecca, with the exception of Toral and Adam. That's why Chris and James voted for Randal, I believe. It was nothing personal against Rebecca, but they just were not as impressed by her as they were by Randal.
highlander
And as far as James and Chris endorsing Randal, I can see them working hard for Rebecca because they were "hired" by her and and have no reason to sabatoge her or anyone else but that they would have preferred working to help Randal win. Randal inspires loyalty. I really wish Trump could see that. I hope that Randal brings up his win-loss record in the boardroom and gives a strong performance there as well. We know Rebecca will be quite strong in the boardroom and Randal needs to know that by now and show that he has what it takes. Being that Randal told Carolyn and George when asked by them that he would be a good addition to the Trump org. because of his management skills and expertise in technology, I was wondering if Trump needs an expert in technology. Perhaps Randal needs to tell them tonight about all the other things he brings instead of narrowing this down to technology vs. business in general and international business as Rebecca has said she would be interested in.

ETA: I can't see Rebecca as one of the viceroys only because of her age and lack of experience when she has to critique future candidates that will be much older and more experienced than her. Some of these candidates have their own companies or several companies and are worth millions. How would they take being followed around by Rebecca who is smart but green? Bill was older and was the founder of his own company so I understand him being a parttime viceroy.
BethieJean

I hope that Randal brings up his win-loss record in the boardroom[/quote]

He did... when Trump asked him how he felt at the beginning of last week's episode, we went into full-on "Board Room" Mode. I felt like he was channeling Markus for a minute there...

I am intrigued to see what goes down tonight. I really don't care either way, in all honesty who wins, but I still think it's gonna be Randal unless he totally screws himself over tonight.
NO DOUBLE HIRE, PLEASE! Makes me feel like someone got cheated...
toonces464

I really wish I had seen the show (or thought to TIVO it). That being said, I can imagine that James and Chris supporting Rebecca and then voting for Potus, I mean Randal, is a guy-thing and kind of a jock-thing. Several of the guys built a very strong attachment to and admiration of Randal which probably transcends just about everything else. [/quote]

I'm not sure it's just a guy thing. With the exception of Toral, not one woman voted for Rebecca either.

Rebecca's guys voted for Randal. Randal's one woman (Marshawn) voted for him as well. I think he just has the general respect of everyone, regardless of sex.
CheekyCricket
Yeah, the votes broke down equally by gender: of the fourteen candidates on the Deutsch show, one male/one female candidate voted for Rebecca, and six male/six female candidates for Randal. Again, I go the impression that Chris and James like and respect Rebecca, but they simply believe Randal is the better choice of the two.

Also, I noticed that Trump didn't mention anything about a big shocker tonight, so who knows? Maybe he realized that people were avidly speculating that he'd hire both candidates, and that would screw up his usual declamations about how he "just doesn't know" who he's going to choose. And the more speculation about that particular shocker, the less shocking it becomes. So he dropped all the blather about the "shocker."
charma
Tonight's the big night. I sort of wish we could all talk in real time about this. Anybody up for AIM?Maybe?
CheekyCricket
It seems that the big shocker is that Trump really wanted to hire Rebecca, even though he knew he had to hire Randal, but he decided to shift the decision about hiring Rebecca to Randal. (Which is actually a good lesson in corporate interrelationships.) However, Randal had none of that BS. Good Randal!
mcwoohoo
Not sure if this is the right place for this, but I saw that the next Apprentice will be shot in California..

From NBC:
Are you ready to take it to the next level? Here's your chance! The next season of The Apprentice will take place in Southern California and will feature new challenges, twists and surprises -- including tasks indigenous to and emblematic of the new locale.
Wallyhorse
mcwoohoo:

This has been known for a couple of weeks now, and as I said previously, I'm thinking it has to do mainly with weather and the ability to film in the summer rather than in the spring as they have to in New York.

The weather is much more consistent in June and July in California (usually in the 70s to low 80s with no rain and low humidity) as opposed to New York, where by late May-early June temperatures can get well into the 80s and 90s (and even in June close to 100) with it often being oppresive on the worst days, making for potentially hazardous conditions to film in if you run into a heat wave at any point. Plus, while it can rain in California in December, you don't run the risk of having frigid weather in New York for the finale like what almost was the case this time around.
highlander
I thought it had to do with Trump having to be near where his golf course Hotel/Condo is being built in California (around that time, he has to be there more often) and it would be easier for him. Maybe I am wrong.
ensabah6
Is there any information about season 5 Apprentice?

Is this the season that is filmed in California? Will it air in January?
Wallyhorse
It's Apprentice 6 that will be filmed in California.

Filming on Apprentice 5 is already complete (except for the finale), but it won't begin airing until after the Olympics.
Newhope
I bet Trump will probably haul Rebecca to TA5 and ask the finalist if it is ok to hire her? If that winner says no, then deactivate her butt and try it again at TA6 and so on and so on.
ghettofabman
I speculate that this season, the final 2 will have the exact same record....which would seem to be an Apprentice first. I am getting the feeling that whoever makes final 2, both will have at least one loss as PM. I got my speculations on who I think will be there.
gapkid
I speculate that there will be no team reshuffle this season. There's no reason to, and the teams are neck-to-neck so far, unless Gold Rush loses again the next two weeks (two of Lenny, Tarek and Bryce will be gone.)

Edit: I also predict an all-female Final 2. Charmaine and either Andrea, Allie or Roxanne. Basically the 4 winning female PMs so far.
ghettofabman
I speculate that a woman from the original Synergy team will be the Apprentice this season.
kkong
Thought for sure Charmaine before I saw all the crying. Now I know she will be gone soon.
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