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whip1
Omarosa on Editing

How bad of an image do you have to have if you think hiring Omarosa as an Image Consultant is a wise move?
Rinaldo
And many people say they have their PhDs when they're approaching completion, as Oma now says she is.
Not in my experience, and I live and work among academics (and am one myself). "Many people" don't do that -- maybe the occasional skater-on-thin-ice does, but it's wrong and can get you in big trouble if you do it at the wrong time. Certainly anybody applying for a college faculty position who said they had their PhD, and on investigation were a semester away from it... would be dismissed from consideration immediately, no argument from anyone, on that ground alone.

On Ereka's statement, I agree that she's doing all she can, and "protesting too much" doesn't apply -- heinous groundless accusations need to be countered forcefully, and "That word isn't in my vocabulary" gets the point across as strongly as I mean to. It is sadly true that these kinds of accusations, once made and circulated, take on a life of their own, and the accused never gets free of them.

(I recall a Tomato Nation exchange a while back in which a man who had been accused of rape wrote in -- the girl had since confessed that the accusation was false, but people still believed it because "She wouldn't say something like that unless she saw the potential in him." Even Sars, not one to shrink from a righteous fight to say the least, advised him that his best move was probably to move to a new town, unfair though the situation was.)
Vermicious Knid
Oma would be considered ABD, all but dissertation. Not only would I love to know what her dissertation is about, I'd love to know what her committee thinks of the spectacle she's making of herself.
mookster
Oh, Whip1, thank you for providing another example of her cluelessness:

"I used to talk to Heidi a lot when we were first watching on TV, but it's hard for both of us to watch the horrible things she said to me," she said, "and for her to see me talking about her."


But this made me so sad:

a call from fellow cast member and Chicago-native Bill Rancic (they are just soooo close)


Not Bill!
BassetHound
And many people say they have their PhDs when they're approaching completion, as Oma now says she is.
I agree. Some of my friends who has an approved thesis and are waiting for defense or are just waiting for graduation do use "PhD." etc.

I feel bad for Ereka. It is impossible to prove you didn't do something. Also, I can't believe that Omarosa wouldn't make a bigger deal of it AT THE TIME.
examiner
Oh, but BassetHound, we know that O is so not the type to go on and on and on (and on and on. . .) about all the slings and arrows directed at her. She's an f-bombing trouper, gosh darn it.
RhondaGC
"I used to talk to Heidi a lot when we were first watching on TV, but it's hard for both of us to watch the horrible things she said to me," she said, "and for her to see me talking about her."

Uh, ok.

Anybody else want to bet that Bill and she are not close at all, even though they are from the same city. (After all, the article implies that they got that info. from Omarosa, not Bill). I'm guessing the phone call was Bill yelling at O to get her "noggin" off his freakin' TV set because he's tired of seeing her!

As amusing as the celebration of O's demise by those in the suite will be tonight, I almost would prefer to see the reaction of those in Hotel Loser when they realize that O is about to be in their midst again. That? Would be awesome.
Marlh
Anyone read the new US - O-man-rosa is in the top right hand corner and it says something about why she is angry now - details?

http://www.usmagazine.com

I'm angry that she is still on my radar but does anyone care about that? NO!
Brachiator
Also, while I agree that there's been a reality of personality types for black women shown on reality TV in general, the range of types of black women (and men) that Burnett has cast on his shows has been pretty one-dimensional. Excepting perhaps Ramona (S1) and Tijuana (S7), they could all be described by some combination of "angry/confrontational", "crazy", and "religious".

But if MB truly were insisting on some one-dimensional “type” for black women, Lingo, then neither Ramona nor Tijuana could have escaped it. And I don’t see that Vecepia was only religious, or religious in the same way that Linda or Joanna were. Could it be that because relatively small numbers of blacks have appeared on MB (and other) reality shows, it is easier to create convenient --- even if obviously contradictory --- pigeonholes into which to force these contestents? On the other hand, both Shii Ann (Survivor) and Tammy (The Apprentice) appear to be a special kind of space cadet; and yet I don’t see the same insistence that this is intended to say something about Asian women. I don’t see the burning need to fit them into a category. Katrina and Ereka and – God knows --- Heidi, have been confrontational, but this doesn’t count because they are not black?


And then of course there are the black men, most of whom have been (portrayed as) some combination of "lazy" and "dumb".

Again this is easily contradicted by even the small range of black male contestants. Ted? (and dumber than Clay?). Osten? (a hypochondriac quitter, but not dumb or lazy).


What I do agree with is that on a Mark Burnett show, often people of colour are cast to fall in very particular stereotypes.

Again, I don’t see that Tammy (Asian/The Apprentice) or Sandra (Latina/Survivor) neatly fit any stereotypes, delta888. I’ve been following some of Omarosa’s Blameless Diva Tour, and it seems to me that she would be a delusional bitch even if she were from Mars (and she may well be).

I'm really bummed that I missed George and Carolyn on The Today show. Sounds like Big Fun.
crisiswhatcrisi
As amusing as the celebration of O's demise by those in the suite will be tonight, I almost would prefer to see the reaction of those in Hotel Loser when they realize that O is about to be in their midst again. That? Would be awesome.


ITA, why Burnett hasn't come up with that reality show airing right after the Apprentice is a mystery to me.
bpr
I am totally using the Omarosa Editing Defense to start my new life of crime. "I was only speeding for 10 minutes, Your Honor! You never got to see all the times when I did NOT speed!" "I am being persecuted by the police for that two seconds when I shot somebody, Your Honor! They are twisting it to make me look bad! The rest of the day, I didn't shoot ANYBODY! Plus, they called me a bad name."

Heather B., who appeared on the first season of The Granddaddy Of Them All, "The Real World", got it right: "They can only work with what you give them."
RedheadNYC
From the Metromix article:

When finally reached on the phone, she split her time answering questions and shouting instructions to Miss Guyana, a beauty queen from South America who is competing in the Miss Universe pageant


This made me laugh. I can just picture her all, "Blah Blah Blah women need to find a way to add their diversity in the business world....PIVOT! PIVOT! SMILE!"

I hate her.
RhondaGC
Actually I think O would probably do a pretty good job preparing pagent contestants. Presenting herself and giving those "I want world peace" kind of speeches was the only thing she came close to doing well on this show, IMHO.

Considering that pagents are all about surface and not substance, O would probably be freakin' fantastic at it.
gramcracker
But Omarosa--fired by The Donald last week--refuses to complain about the show's editing.


Are you kidding me? That's all she's been doing!
Rabrab
First off, bpr, that's brilliant--it got a laugh out loud from Mr Rabrab, and he doesn't do the laugh-out-loud thing.

From the article whip1 linked to:
[Omarosa] thinks that--other than herself--Sam Solovey or Troy McClain deserved to win the competition. Or perhaps Tammy Lee.
Oh. dear. god. Sam? Tammy? Clearly Assarama misunderstood the point of the game. She thought she was on America's Next Top Froot-Loop. No wonder she thought that she was the strongest contender.
pistachio
a call from fellow cast member and Chicago-native Bill Rancic (they are just soooo close),

I don't buy they're 'sooooo close' for a second. It's as Nick said, Bill is just too nice a guy. (Which endears him to me even more.

Omarosa hopes to use her celebrity to advance her passion for motivating other people of "humble origins" to follow their dreams....the story of her own journey "from the projects to the White House to Trump Tower."

Humble. I don't think O knows the meaning of that word.

As for herself, Tammy or Sam deserving it, just HEE!!!!!
SimoneSays
Thanks, gramcracker! (The clip wasn't there this AM, I swear.) Wow, I guess every man is your teacher. Thanks, Omaroadkill!
The Man Who Loves Women
Damn, Carolyn looked pretty hot!
peacheskdd
Not in my experience, and I live and work among academics (and am one myself). "Many people" don't do that -- maybe the occasional skater-on-thin-ice does, but it's wrong and can get you in big trouble if you do it at the wrong time.


How do you know that "many people" don't do that? That's impossible to know. I've known many people that have done that. It happens, especially when someone is waiting to defend. I think Ereka bringing this up is petty (not that Omarosa isn't), because it happens all the time. You don't "prove" that Omarosa is a lunatic by pointing out that she "lied" about her doctorate, when she only has to defend. She's done the work, written the dissertation, and is one step away. There are a multitude of ways to "prove" that Omarosa is a lunatic.
barkley
I thought Ereka did rather well on her View appearance this morning. She did a hell of a lot better than I would have if some crazy bitch had accused me of racism on national television and tried to hurt my entire future.

Assorama was trying to cover her own ass and explain why she would take a commonly used phrase and turn it inot something it wasn't. She thought the editing excuse would cover her ass and everyone would back her up since she is a minority. She is prone to exaggeration, witness the drywall/plaster turning into ceeement (and BTW Ms. PhD, ceeement falling on you would be like me turning a bottle of Elmer's glue on your head, concrete would hurt like hell).

The View ladies were very direct in their questioning. Erieka came right out and stated that Assorama was a liar and she used a very logical progression in proving that the incident did not happen. She mentioned that they are miked 24/7 and Burnett would have used in a hearbeat. Ereka also mentioned that the other players would have never jumped to her defense if the word had been used, and Omarosa was trying to be all chummy with her in the third episode (which she says she mentioned on camera) and this would have been after the supposed n-word incident.

Meredith asked her what else Asso had lied about and Erika specifically mentioned the basketball game happening 4 days after the plaster took one for the team. Ereka said what a lot of other forum posters have mentioned, that 4 days later they were on the water task.

Elisabeth chimed in about talking to MB about the supposed incident and how neither he nor his producers knew of anything happening. There was nothing on tape or not on tape and therefore could not have been editied out since it didn't exist.

Meredith made an interesting parting comment about Assorama being incredibly stupid to say something like this because it could severly hurt Asso's career.
Blueshot
I just saw Omainsanity on Fox News and she finally appeared without that god-awful lipstick that made her look like she had rabies.

She also mentioned that the N-word was used against her but she would not name the person. She also said it was edited out.

If it really happened then she should name the name. Hell NBC has it on tape whats the other person going to do? Sue? Not if they actually said it.

It is really making me angry that the media seems to be giving her a real pass on this stuff instead of really pressing her to explain her various comments.

I really hope at the shows finale that everyone from the contestants, Viceroys, the Donald, film crew, and even Burnett himself jump all over her for her comments.
Anaralia
O was on a local radio talk show this morning, and the host flat out asked her about the N-word accusations. She avoided the question. The host insisted, (and I paraphrase), "So, you're not commenting, but you're implying that something happened?" and the response was "Let's just say that the reality shown on TV wasn't my reality.". So, now she's put herself in a martyr position, implying that something did happen, but that TPTB won't let her speak. How can you fight against that? You can only fight back when dates and times and places are specifically named, so that your whereabouts and actions can be concretely proven. If I were Ereka, steam would be coming out of my ears.
barkley
If I were Ereka, a slander lawsuit would be coming out of my ears.
bpr
"Let's just say that the reality shown on TV wasn't my reality.


Her reality? Step into any of 3000 theaters across the US where "The Passion Of The Christ" is playing. That's her in her mind, except that instead of being flayed and scourged, she's pummelled with two-inch pieces of drywall.
Resmudge
"Let's just say that the reality shown on TV wasn't my reality."

Non-intentionally truer words were never spoken. Girl wouldn't know what was real if it fell on her head. Oh, hey . . .
SerendipityCA
Anyone read the new US - O-man-rosa is in the top right hand corner and it says something about why she is angry now - details?

http://www.usmagazine.com


The main cover story is about Martha Stewart and is entitled "The Fall of Miss Perfect." Great - a title that works for both Martha *and* Assorama. Oh, I'm sorry, it doesn't quite apply to Assy. In her case it should be "The Fall of Mrs. Perfect Washington DC"
PikeyPower
From the Metromix article:

She's busy launching a line of business suits to correspond with the show's April 15 finale, running two businesses, completing her doctoral degree, contemplating book deals and making the rounds on talk shows.


Ah, now I get it. "Making the rounds on talk shows" is actually a literal, synonymous translation for "in talks for a show," or whatever. Thanks, Assy: I now feel empowered to fully re-learn English.
kattam6175
If MB had any brains, he'd do an "Apprentices Tell All" special. That's the only way I could be convinced of who's telling the truth and who's not. Put them all in a room (including DT, Carolyn, George, the crew, etc), ask all the hard questions, show all the contentious and unflattering footage, and see who's stories hold up at the end.

Hell, they could do an entire hour with just Assy in the hot seat. I'd love to see her get skewered on live tv!
lnoggl
OH YES!! That would be television the world would stand still to watch!
Blondie
It doesn't reflect my reality.


You know, this quote by Assorama is her daily mantra & sums up how she deals with EVERYTHING that she cannot control. *Sigh* how sad. ;(
RhondaGC
She thought the editing excuse would cover her ass and everyone would back her up since she is a minority.

Exactly. I wonder if that is why she waited until she was on the View (at least I think that was when she first did it) to make her accusations. She just assumed that Star would jump onto her bandwagon with no questions asked and she would have a natural ally. Which, from what I've heard (I didn't see it) certainly did not happen.

Just a thought.
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J&D said, "Oh shut up, Omarosa. Don't be 'that' girl. 'Next question' my ass. America is going to hate you if you are 'that' girl."

Then they asked about her talk show. She said that there were several options on the table and one of them she was particularly fond of. Danny asked who it was with. She said that she couldn't discuss it.

Danny said something to the effect of, yeah, all of our negotiations have to remain confidential also. You're fired.

Shortly thereafter, Omarosa hung up on them.


Heeeee!!!! I'd have given anything to hear O-girl getting the bitchslap that she so badly deserves. Talk show, my ass. Why more media outlets aren't checking her the way these guys did is beyond me.
RedheadNYC
Actually I think O would probably do a pretty good job preparing pagent contestants.


Oh, I agree. Anyone who has been successful in pageants would be a good coach because there's really not much to it, the image of Osama's mutli-tasking in that article just struck me as really funny.

I think Ereka came off pretty well on The View. I just wish she hadn't brought up the PhD thing. I felt sort of a "who cares?" vibe after she said it.
lynettefl
Quick! Ereka is on LESTER HOLT LIVE right now! She is furious.
bpr
Well, I think she acquitted herself very well. Would like to see independent confirmation from MB that they reviewed tapes, however. This is getting to be too serious a claim to let it fester, and I can't believe they wouldn't be vigilant about this after the recent fiasco on Survivor.

ETA Of course, the publicity of the fight is priceless.
The Man Who Loves Women
I hope they do a Survivor-style 3 hour finale, with the reunion show tacked on at the end. Get those two face to face and have it out on national TV. I predict a major Ass-whipping.
peacheskdd
What I'd like to see is Oma and Ereka go toe-to-toe in the boxing ring. But Oma would never raise her voice. And Ereka would say, "Please don't say it, Mr. Ref."
goobaletta
Quick! Ereka is on LESTER HOLT LIVE right now! She is furious.


Don't leave us hanging! What happened? Anybody else see it?
lynettefl
She pretty much said that same things she said on THE VIEW. Nigger is not in her vocabulary. For some reason, it seemed as though Lester did not believe her completely.
Lingo
I've been All But Dissertation for the last year and a half, and the only time I'd be remotely comfortable with saying I "have" a Ph.D. is after the dissertation defense, which in my mind is a BIG step, not a small one. And then I'd only feel comfortable saying it if the committee didn't recommend major revisions.

But I guess this is drifting off-topic.
DariaG
What I find weird about Assy making that accusation is that I don't know people who use that word. Last time I heard it, it was from a skanky co-worker at a job I left in 1991. Does Assy really think that word is still used anymore? Why would anyone find her accusation credible? Aside from the fact that she lies about everything else, we're talking about a word that is leaving the vocabulary.
lynettefl
Does Assy really think that word is still used anymore?


Believe me, that word is used *a lot.*
ClaytonBigsby
What I find weird about Assy making that accusation is that I don't know people who use that word. Last time I heard it, it was from a skanky co-worker at a job I left in 1991. Does Assy really think that word is still used anymore? Why would anyone find her accusation credible? Aside from the fact that she lies about everything else, we're talking about a word that is leaving the vocabulary.


That word is still used a lot. A lot. I wish it were leaving the vocabulary? Nigger's stock has risen to the point that it isn't bleeped on some stations.

What I'd like to see is Oma and Ereka go toe-to-toe in the boxing ring. But Oma would never raise her voice. And Ereka would say, "Please don't say it, Mr. Ref."


Either Ereka would get knocked out or she would win with her and Katrina switching places each round.

Either way, I wish O would stop going on TV because the credibility of people crying racism in certain situations is being devalued by her.

Stupid post too early mumble grumble
Miss Alli
Wha-huh?
Gabria13
Watching Access Hollywood; they did a piece on the Assorama v. Erica feud. This thing is turning into ratings gold. Evidently there is now also an Apprentice music video featuring The Donald himself.

Miss Alli was right when she said people need to start watching this show a few weeks ago. I know I'm riveted.
Kromm
She said that she would never say that the saying "pot calling the kettle black" was a racist term.

Er. But she HAS said that.
I caught Conan and am surprised no one has mentioned how she grabbed onto Jeff Goldblum(sp?)'s hand and held onto it for a few minutes, while Conan was 'kidding' her about her on screen reputation.

You don't have to be surprised. It's been mentioned. Yes it was weird, and no doubt Mr. Goldblum still had the claw marks on his hand, as do male guests sitting next to her on each of the talk shows she's been on.
It will also be hard for Ereka, because it is extremely hard to disprove a negative.

Ereka is an idiot, but being an idiot is not the same as deserving a branding she can never get rid of now. In fact, her idiocy shows in that she made that insane statement about being able to prove she didn't say it.
The other thing that occurred to me was that I never really noticed Kwame acting skeeved by Ereka.

The two were not shown interacting that much, but I agree there was no obvious aversion. Then again, Kwame is obviously a very patient, reasonably controlled man, even if he's occassionally shown some other problems.
The clip is now on the Today Show website

Hey, it may be sexist to say this... but Carolyn? Hubba hubba. :-) Nice look for her.



I actually think there should be a special circle of hell for people who use false accusations of racism to gain advantage. It not only attacks in a way that's potentially a brand for life, but it also weakens the position of people who really DO suffer the effects of racism.
Tashanir
Didn't Ereka and Elisabeth from The View go to BC together? I thought I read somewhere that they are friends/acquaintances from college. While that doesn't disprove anything, I did find the way Elisabeth chirped up with her "I called my friend Mark Burnett..." a bit staged, especially when Burnett's comment didn't really close the book on the issue.

At this point, I think both of them should just go away. They've been in a pissing contest for months, each taking turns criticizing each other in the press. I think the false accusation was horrible (if it is false and I have no doubt it is), and for some reason think that this was just O's way of stepping up the "game" if you will. Stupid, horrible, disgusting step that it was.....she knew Ereka would never be able to really prove whether or not she said it and knew that the accusation alone could be paralyzing. But, and I'm playing devil's advocate here, if Erika had been less critical of O. in her interviews (especially when she was fired before Omarosa and therefore got to have her side "out there" first) then maybe none of this would be going on. Both women have displayed poor attitudes in the press, which is a shame because the post show interviews were really their chance to let people see the sides that weren't given enough air time on the show.

I can't tell if Ereka is using this situation to defend herself or stretch out her own 15 minutes...or both. O. seems to know how to work the media and now Ereka is tryng to do the same. If Ereka has an agent or media rep, then I think they would have told her to issue a statement that included Burnett's quote of not being able to confirm the accusation, state emphatically that she made no racial slurs, say it was unfortunate that the situation escalated to where it did and just leave it alone.

I understand why Ereka would want to defend herself, and I would too, but sometimes it's best to leave certain things alone. The press can work for you as well as against you.
SerendipityCA
On Access Hollywood just now (you guys on the east coast may have seen it 3 hours ago, but I didn't see a detailed post about it)...Ereka saying it never happened, and "that word is not in my vocabulary." Looking pretty pissed.

Omarosa, probably in a clip from some other show, saying (I paraphrase, but closely) "It was definitely the N word, and I was shocked because I've never been called that in my life."

She looked great by the way. Softer makeup, hair up. Wow, she really is stunning looking sometimes. (Yes, I'm talking about Assy).

They show the scene from the plane where Omarosa is chiding Ereka for being childish, and Ereka says the pot/kettle thing, and Omarosa says "See there you go with your racist terms. What did you say about black people?" and Ereka replies heatedly "NOTHING!!!"

Then Trump said the producers say it never happened, everybody denies it, it's not on tape, and to bring it up at this late date so long after the fact is "sad."
Tashanir
Ereka saying it never happened, and "that word is not in my vocabulary." Looking pretty pissed


Looks like a lot of words are not in Ereka's vocabulary. She used the same quote on the other interview she did today.
clandrith
Nobody posted this with all the Assaroma lying/Ereka denying flap going on so I will.

Apparently USAToday thinks Troy has this game all sewn up.
The accompanying photo of Troy is soooo hot. I want to lick him.

A lot.
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