txsunshine33
Oct 4, 2004 @ 3:55 pm
Nothing really new in the People article, but these two things...
Speaking to the New York Post, Donald Trump said he was not aware of Crisafulli's comments until after he had fired her.
Crisafulli's mother, Dale Crisafulli, told the Post that her daughter is "the most unprejudiced person I've ever known," and that the unflattering remarks surfaced because of the "strain" on TV contestants and producers' desires to "show them at their worst."
goobaletta
Oct 4, 2004 @ 3:58 pm
Thanks, txsunshine33. You're great!
Mama Tiger
Oct 4, 2004 @ 4:06 pm
There's a find the glaring error game for this review. Find the mistake and get a gold star!
Okay, I accept your challenge,
goobaletta.
Dressed in black slacks and dress shirts
Okay, here's glaring error #1: Last I knew, t-shirts weren't dress shirts.
Also:
award winning décor
this probably doesn't qualify as a glaring error so much as a nitpicky error, but award-winning should be hyphenated. Especially since they got their hyphenation straight in the rest of the article.
Do I get a gold star?
goobaletta
Oct 4, 2004 @ 4:09 pm
*PING!* *PING!* You get two 'cause you're so awesome!
Mama Tiger
Oct 4, 2004 @ 4:10 pm
Nah, just obsessive. Although not as obsessive as you, digging up all those links in the first place. (We're all in the right place, aren't we?)
alicia19
Oct 4, 2004 @ 4:42 pm
Zycron I personally did feel that the women, including Ivanna, played into some negative archetypes about Black women in their gang banging of Stacie J. Even though....
princss812 You know that didn't bother me as much as the Apexiennes trying to use another more specious stereotype of the violent black archetype...
Is it possible that Stacie J. may even have inadvertently contributed to this herself.
A number of her Subway employees are probably teenage boys. Maybe they see her as female, pretty, kinda young and oh yeah, the boss -- in that order of priority.
So to get their focus back on their work and back on her as the "big B" Boss -- who knows, she may have included into her repertoire some in-your-face street posturing. Again, as a way of getting the attention of the young male employees and maybe even as a way of amusing them and building morale with laughter. (I'm guessing that her actual background is more likely debutante genteel.)
So perhaps during the whole 8-ball incident, at the point at which no one seemed to be listening to her and instead carrying on with their own conversations, Stacie J., feeling awkward and not reading the room or using the best social judgment, may have gone into some kind of mild street-gesturing mode thinking that everyone would "get it" and laugh. But instead, what happened was...
...I don't really know, though... Just a thought.
NYCynthia
Oct 4, 2004 @ 4:58 pm
She's like Tim-the-Dentist on Seinfeld who converted to Judiasm and started making "Jew Jokes".
Actually I disagree simply because once a person converts to Judaism Jews are obligated to treat them as Jews-by-birth (whether they do or not is a different question, but they're supposed to). But yeah. She's obnoxious as hell--as was Tim the Dentist.
BibiBella
Oct 4, 2004 @ 5:19 pm
alicia19, interesting point you make re: her employees. However, if you've ever been in a fast-food place in Harlem, you'll notice that most of the employees are women...every time I've been in Harlem at such a place, the only guys I've seen are doing clean-up. It's women behind the counter, waiting on customers.
At any rate, I don't think she's crazy, but she is odd -- I mean, interrupting your new boss at a press conference? Not good and not professional (as reported in one of these posts).
She strikes me as the type who does all kind of posturing 'cause she's a got a few screws loose (not crazy -- not at all, just eccentric. But then I think most of the women on the show have a few screws loose!).
Zycron
Oct 4, 2004 @ 5:20 pm
alicia19, Stacie did behave oddly, but you're right, I got the impression she was trying to liven things up in her own way by playing with the Magic 8 Ball. It may have been a misguided attempt to boost morale gone awry. My comment about the Apex women was in reference to their feigned over-the-top reactions to the incident. In the actual clip, they appear to be rolling their eyes or laughing at her, and Bradford tells her to chill out. However, in the Boardroom, the women, described it as Terrifying! The!Most!Scary!Experience!Of!My!Life! and Ivanna said she was curled up in a corner in fear. On top of that, the armchair psychiatric diagnosis of "borderline schizoprenia" and "multiple personalities" was just ludicrous.
Then again, after watching their subsequent behavior in the Boardroom, it's apparent that these women, as a whole, are prone to hyperbole, exaggeration and revisionism.
Speaking to the New York Post, Donald Trump said he was not aware of Crisafulli's comments until after he had fired her.
It's interesting how relatively quiet Trump has been about this topic. Last year, when Omarosa made her allegations about Ereka, Trump was quite vocal. This time? Not so much. He was positively crowing about Bradford's firing, but he hasn't really commented on Stacie J and Jenn C's "Jewish old bags" fiasco.
goobaletta
Oct 4, 2004 @ 5:30 pm
FWIW, I've been checking the NBC site and so far Omarosa's commentary isn't up.
Here are a couple more Media articles I just found:
The Apprentice blows its load. Elites TV. Oh geez, GLARING ERROR alert! Gah. Moron. This one should generate some conversation...
TV Gal mentions TA2 and quotes Carolyn. Zap2it
randolph
Oct 4, 2004 @ 6:11 pm
Looks to me like SFrischer made Baldford's mistake and called her "Caroline." Next thing you know he'll be waiving his exemption.
kittybidee
Oct 4, 2004 @ 7:18 pm
Katie switched the conversation back to the show, and got Carolyn talking about the women. Katie asked her about being harder on the women, and Carolyn basically said they've been in the boardroom so much that it was hard not to be hard on them;
The gist of her statement was actually that the men were only in the boardroom once, on the first week when it's hard to even know all the names of the team members. Since the men haven't been back in the boardroom since, there's nothing to which to compare her treatment of the women. She can't be "harder" on the women than she is on the men when she doesn't have a chance to show how "hard" she might be on the men.
BadLilSister
Oct 4, 2004 @ 8:12 pm
There's a find the glaring error game for this review. Find the mistake and get a gold star!
goobaletta, I found another error (typo) in the blackenterprise article.
sleep depravation
Should be deprivation. May I have a gold star too? I hate being the odd one out and always like to be part of the group. :-) Unless of course the group is a bunch of shrill, back-stabbing, havoc-wreaking, history re-writing, blame-shifting, finger-pointing, .... well you get the idea.
Miss Alli
Oct 4, 2004 @ 8:15 pm
The ElitesTV one, don't even play "glaring error." Because there are, like, a million. Factual, grammatical, word choice . . . NIGHTMARE.
goobaletta
Oct 4, 2004 @ 8:16 pm
As a former bad l'il sister myself, I'm more than happy to give you a well-deserved gold star.
*PING!*
There you go, BadLilSister. Right in the middle of your forehead!
ETA: Absolutely why I didn't offer the gold stars for that one, Miss Alli. It is just too awful.
pinkgodzilla
Oct 4, 2004 @ 8:42 pm
Hell, I couldn't even finish reading it as it was so bad. Yuck.
Mama Tiger
Oct 4, 2004 @ 8:43 pm
Damn, I missed a blatant spelling error, checking instead for factual accuracy? I guess I missed my nap today.
There are times when it's just too painful to nit-pick. Nevertheless, the phrase "[Caroline's] real ability to snuff out those who were good" was truly brilliant in its ineptitude.
oldbabe
Oct 4, 2004 @ 8:46 pm
Just saw an ad on QVC announcing a show they'll be doing on Monday, Oct. 11 at 10:00 pm EDT featuring not only the products sold on the Oct. 7 episode of The Apprentice, but extra footage from that show and some "surprise guests". Mark your calendars!
goobaletta
Oct 4, 2004 @ 9:04 pm
Humiliation and the man with an ego the size of Staten Island The Herald, Scotland. Review of the UK TA1 premiere. Scathing.
lonelyteardrop
Oct 4, 2004 @ 9:06 pm
sfrischer, the indignant Tolstoy of the Elites TV article, wins this week's Ashley- Judd-let-me-see-how-many-multisyllable-words-I-can-use-Award. Compelling! Boisterous! Juggernaut! What an insightful & clever soul young Frischer must be. And yet, this badly written & overwritten piece is eerily perfect for the show that has introduced 'casted', 'teamship' & 'unorganized' into the global lexicon.
Miss Alli
Oct 4, 2004 @ 9:07 pm
Normally, I frown on slagging other sites, but . . . in that case, I am willing to make an exception, because it qualifies as entertainment all on its own.
And . . . "indignant Tolstoy." Hee.
ClarionGrad
Oct 4, 2004 @ 10:11 pm
" ... she was a pleasant surprise in her real ability to snuff out those who were good ... "
Now I can't get the image out of my head of Carolyn in a trench coat and felt hat, packing heat and lurking in shadows, biding her time until those upstart competitors in
her organization can be issued the ultimate "you're fired."
Los Angeles Unified School District, you have much to answer for.
eveningshade
Oct 4, 2004 @ 10:21 pm
"And yet, this badly written & overwritten piece is eerily perfect for the show that has introduced 'casted', 'teamship' & 'unorganized' into the global lexicon."
But, unorganized is a proper word.
goobaletta
Oct 4, 2004 @ 10:37 pm
True, but the word they kept repeating was
unorganization, which isn't a word.
Imagine Trump as a debate moderator. Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. There's a little registration window that comes up, but it only takes a moment to fill in and then you go straight to the page. Just check that you do NOT want emails from them. At any rate,
Miss Alli, this article made me think of your recap.
lonelyteardrop
Oct 5, 2004 @ 12:57 am
But, unorganized is a proper word.
True, but the word they kept repeating was unorganization, which isn't a word.
Yes, indeedy, it was
unorganization, not
unorganized that was used. My bad. I must have been disfocused -- er, unfocused when I last posted.
NYCynthia
Oct 5, 2004 @ 1:07 am
Heh...so if the show were done according to Mr. Milwaukee Journal Sentinel's standards, Andy would win?
Gah, that Elites TV article is just...there are no words.
Procrastinating
Oct 5, 2004 @ 2:09 am
Carolyn was on Deborah Norville tonight.
She said on the ice cream task the women oringinally chose port as their flavor, if I understood her correctly. She also said that they were told by several "ice cream experts" to just use vanilla with something added to it, as vanilla is the best selling flavor. She seemed irritated that they chose to ignore that advice.
She wouldn't talk about salary when Deborah asked her about George saying they weren't paid extra for their appearances on the show. She said she's never discussed salary before, and wasn't going to start now.
The most interesting part to me was some of the advice she gave on how to climb the corporate ladder. She said there was no reason not to know all of your employees' names. She gave the example of stopping to shake hands with the person washing the windows and telling them they were doing a good job. She talked about how much it helps morale, which of course in turn helped job performance. It kind of took the edge off her ice queen image.
She said she gets alot of e-mail asking for advice, and also receives videos. She looked into the camera and said "please stop sending me videos!". She said, in part, that's what convinced her to write the book. She turned down requests from publishers twice before finally agreeing to take on writing a book.
goobaletta
Oct 5, 2004 @ 2:26 am
SURVIVING REALITY TV NY Post. Why yes!
Jen C. is mentioned.
Omarosa and
Ereka are too. Heh.
The Futon Critics In Development column.THE TOWERS (New!) - Donald Trump ("The Apprentice") is reportedly looking to branch out into scripted series as "The Donald" has pacted with writer/producer Gay Walch ("Summerland") to develop a new drama series set, at least in part, at Manhattan's Trump Tower. While no network has picked up the series, it's understood Trump is in talks with NBC for the project which he'll executive produce alongside Walch.
My Way
Oct 5, 2004 @ 6:56 am
She said there was no reason not to know all of your employees' names. She gave the example of stopping to shake hands with the person washing the windows and telling them they were doing a good job. She talked about how much it helps morale, which of course in turn helped job performance.
And I thought I couldn't like her more! Ahhh, I love CArolyn.
Sine
Oct 5, 2004 @ 7:36 am
Nevertheless, the phrase "[Caroline's] real ability to snuff out those who were good" was truly brilliant in its ineptitude.
Oh, so
that's what happened to all the good ones.
Silver Angel's Mom
Oct 5, 2004 @ 7:58 am
NYCynthiaGah, that Elites TV article is just...there are no words.
Sure there is..."inexcusable." And probably many, many more.
My daughters were better wordsmiths than that when they were in eighth grade!
blocked writer
Oct 5, 2004 @ 11:17 am
I just read the article on DT and the show in TV Guide. Strange article, IMO. Titled Has Success Spoiled Donald Trump?, the author argues that Donald Trump has a softer edge than last year. He seems to base this theory on how friendly DT is to him during the interview.
From the episodes of Season Two that have already aired, it appears to me that just the opposite is true from DT's performance on the show. He seems less patient, and far less diplomatic than he was last year.
There's a lot of the usual grandiose claims by Trump, who downplays the fact that ratings for Season Two's opener was down 32% from last year's average.
The article mentions how dramatic the show has been in terms of the firings so far, but glosses over what made them so dramatic. The article tells very little that regular viewers don't already know. It almost sounds like it was written by someone who had read up on the show, but hadn't watched it.
alicia19
Oct 5, 2004 @ 11:35 am
Thankyou, Thankyou, Thankyou, goobaletta.
I've said this so many times but, alas, only silently to myself.
The media links and all your efforts are so invaluable and so much appreciated!!!
lonelyteardrop
Oct 5, 2004 @ 11:45 am
I just read the article on DT and the show in TV Guide. Strange article, IMO. Titled, Has Success Spoiled Donald Trump?, the author argues that Donald Trump has a softer edge than last year. He seems to base this theory on how friendly DT is to him during the interview . . . The article mentions how dramatic the show has been in terms of the firings so far, but glosses over what made them so dramatic. The article tells very little that regular viewers don't already know. It almost sounds like it was written by someone who had read up on the show, but hadn't watched it.
blocked writer, I thought the same thing. Or maybe he watched a poorly edited version. Also weird: the need to bring up so-called 'racial tension' as related to the firing of Stacie &, even more bizarre, the reporter's labeling of Maria as a 'steely, tough-talking marketing guru'. Are we watching the same show? (Hey! that's how Maria came up with Bloody Mary as her ice cream flavor of choice. Her whiz-bang guru side realized that Apex could serve the brunch, cocktail & dessert industries in one swoop. Or scoop. Golly gee, all those focus groups that marketing gurus love so much are sure paying off. Next on her list: hot wings sorbet, perfect for heating up the palate & then cooling it down.)
edited because, altho I consider eating an art form at which I excel, 'palate' is not spelled 'palette'.
BadLilSister
Oct 5, 2004 @ 12:06 pm
Donald Trump ("The Apprentice") is reportedly looking to branch out into scripted series
From
goobaletta's post above. This probably means the Trump Network won't be far behind. It will be the yooooogest, most popular, most successful network in the history of television.
NYCynthia
Oct 5, 2004 @ 12:24 pm
It almost sounds like it was written by someone who had read up on the show, but hadn't watched it.
Actually, about half of these articles sound like that to me.
goobaletta
Oct 5, 2004 @ 12:27 pm
mswestern
Oct 5, 2004 @ 1:12 pm
The
People article says that Bradford showed up at the launch party for Trump World Magazine (O.M.G. ... really?!? He has a magazine now?!?). Other attendees included Melania, Carolyn and Heidi.
Carolyn and Heidi both say they knew that Bradford was toast as soon as he gave up his exemption.
"I was not shocked," Kepcher tells us. "As soon as he gave up his exemption, I knew Donald would not think highly of that."
Heidi claims that she knew Bradford was in trouble because he was refusing a gift from Trump, and that insulted him. "You don't mess with that. It's an ego thing." (Trump has an ego? Why have I not picked up on this before?)
Heidi then goes on to say that she's not at all impressed with the second season candidates.
"They don't compare to us – the first cast," she says. "Because of the second cast, I've gotten 30 more speaking engagements. The public is bored by them."
The article concludes by announcing that Trump has just agreed to be the spokesman for Holeproof Socks of Australia.
vicesick
Oct 5, 2004 @ 2:10 pm
Nevermind.
RhondaGC
Oct 5, 2004 @ 2:30 pm
OK, that UK Herald editorial on TA1 was indeed scathing, but also very, very funny. I disagree with him on a lot of things, but some of his stuff made me laugh. Particularly these two gems:
The first problem with The Apprentice, the first of too many to count, was that each contestant claimed to be doing fantastically well already. To hear them tell it, they were all running utterly fabulous companies, looting the stock market merrily at will, and killing babies in their spare time. If you believed them, they didn't need the gig.
"Killing babies." Heh.
Along the way we enjoyed a tour of Trump's absurdly-tacky penthouse apartment, saw one contestant reduced to actual, on-all-fours grovelling and learned that it is legal in the United States of Ambivalence to be known as "Kristi".
Double Heh.
blocked writer
Oct 5, 2004 @ 2:39 pm
Or maybe he watched a poorly edited version. Also weird: the need to bring up so-called 'racial tension' as related to the firing of Stacie
lonelyteardrop, what was strange about his mention of racial tension as related to Stacie J. was that he jumped on an issue that is up for interpretation, and ignored the clear-cut issue. A person can speculate how much race was a factor in the Apex pile-on of Stacie, but only the Apex women know the truth about that. But it is clear that they ganged up on her, for whatever reason. The author totally ignores that in the article.
He also talks about Bradford's rather run-of-the-mill sexism, yet completely omits any mention of the much more interesting "immunity waiver."
Actually, about half of these articles sound like that to me.
NYCynthia, I think you are right. So many of the articles on the show seem to be written from press releases or commercials, rather than the authors having actually watched the episodes. I don't know how much deadlines are a factor, but in the case of the TV Guide article, it's pretty inexcusable. TV Guide is a pretty well-respected magazine, and they should do a much better job than this.
The TVGuide article also speculates that winning has caused Bill Rancic to change "from corporate brownnoser to boardroom badass." It also says that "Rancic fans might not recognize the white-toothed pit bull who reappears in Season 2." Bill was justifiably tough on Apex in the boardroom, but I'd hardly say that it qualifies him to be described as a badass or a pit bull.
The article had a patched-together feel, with little new information for existing fans, and not much of interest to entice the uninitiated to watch the show.
BlueSkies
Oct 5, 2004 @ 3:16 pm
Here's a hometown article on
Wes. Lots of good information about the show itself.
Claudia Moss, Wes' mother and a Realtor with Century 21 Alliance in West Chester, said the 28-year-old decided on a whim to apply for the second season. The process was grueling, she said. He sent tapes, completed countless questionnaires and endured hours of interviews. His past and present employers were grilled and an extensive background check was made. The applicant pool was pared down to the top 50 who were flown to California for more scrutiny by executive producer Mark Burnett, one of the initial inventors of reality television. Finally nine men and nine women were chosen. The 18 candidates were sequestered in a posh Manhattan loft apartment in the Trump Tower. Even the first candidate fired had to stay until the show was finished taping 15 weeks later. Little about the show could be shared in phone calls home. Claudia Moss said she spoke to her daughter-in-law several times a week to compare notes "analyzing every word he said" to try to glean information. The secrecy continues to drive his family crazy and they will sit on pins and needles until the truth comes out as the show progresses, she said. Every cast member is dressed to the nines, and Claudia said that is no accident. The blond haired, handsome Moss, she said, had to take his proposed wardrobe to New York for inspection. Everything was "nixed," and he had to purchase a whole new wardrobe for the show. She said he did get a lot of free clothes from photo shoots, including those he wore for a Vogue magazine layout, which can be seen in the November issue. Cameras followed cast members 24 hours a day, seven days a week. In the season opener Wes Moss was seen drinking champagne out of the bottle. His employers would not like that at all, Claudia said. The higher ups at UBS are less than pleased about his participation in the show because they are worried about the image he projects on the show, she said.
lonelyteardrop
Oct 5, 2004 @ 3:21 pm
lonelyteardrop, what was strange about his mention of racial tension as related to Stacie J. was that he jumped on an issue that is up for interpretation, and ignored the clear-cut issue. A person can speculate how much race was a factor in the Apex pile-on of Stacie, but only the Apex women know the truth about that. But it is clear that ganged up on her, for whatever reason. The author totally ignores that in the article.
Yes, they ganged up on her for whatever reason &, unless they choose to speak plainly, we'll probably never know the players' genuine motives, but the racial tension reference in TV Guide seems inserted for no reason other than it's an incendiary topic that will generate a 'hmmm, could it be?'
TVWriterguy
Oct 5, 2004 @ 3:25 pm
This probably means the Trump Network won't be far behind. It will be the yooooogest, most popular, most successful network in the history of television.
The Trump Network, the yooooogest, most luxurious television network ever! The logo will be "$$$", and if you call your cable company to order it you get a free diamond encrusted universal remote!
Obleek
Oct 5, 2004 @ 3:25 pm
Hmmm, I wonder why Raj's wardrobe wasn't "nixed"?
Blondie
Oct 5, 2004 @ 3:30 pm
Hey, thanks Rhonda for the great quotes for the UK Herald. But, if I'm understanding this, the writer is from England (or at least somewhere in the UK), right?
I don't think we here in the US need to be sneered at for calling someone "Kristi" by people who were crazy over people called "Baby Spice, Scary Spice, Posh Spice, etc"!!
BTW, my given name is not Kristi, I just thought that comment was especially snotty for no reason!
Zivra
Oct 5, 2004 @ 4:00 pm
Hmmm, I wonder why Raj's wardrobe wasn't "nixed"?
Because it’s scrumptious... or good TV. YMMV.
Does this mean that the women were
told to pack all those tube tops? I wonder if the non-starters got different advice than the real candidates.
Lucabella
Oct 5, 2004 @ 4:03 pm
Good question, Zivra. I wonder how the pink, bedazzled tube top from hell made it past the fashion police?
blocked writer
Oct 5, 2004 @ 4:11 pm
Yes, they ganged up on her for whatever reason &, unless they choose to speak plainly, we'll probably never know the players' genuine motives, but the racial tension reference in TV Guide seems inserted for no reason other than it's an incendiary topic that will generate a 'hmmm, could it be?'
I'd have more respect for the author if he had given some real insight into any possible racial tension on the show. But it was lame that he would attribute racial tension to the fact that there were some stares and snickers at Stacie J's quirky behavior.
He would have been closer to the mark if he had said that the Apex team's over-the-top reactions in the boardroom before Stacie was fired may have been in part racially motivated. But snickers and stares at the 8-ball incident? I don't think so.
I do think race may have played some part in Stacie J's firing. But if this guy couldn't come up with something more substantive on the matter than he did, his specualtion was just a waste of time.
And the fact that he didn't even mention the boardroom witchhunt does make me wonder how much of the show he actually watched. How could a writer ignore such drama?
BibiBella
Oct 5, 2004 @ 5:13 pm
Part of the article detailed by blueskies (about Wes) says that the taping takes places over 15 weeks....huh? I thought it was six weeks or so. 15 weeks would 3 1/2 months, more time than I can figure most folks can get off work for...anyone know for sure how many weeks this was done over?
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