Why am I not surprised by this? Wasn't Kristi Frank and ex-porn star? Now Elizabeth produces soft-core porn movies. *snerk*

Bill Rancic postpones Oct. 13 lecture at WFU. WFU News Service

Donald Trump enjoys success during QVC debut. PR Newswire

"I'll show you crazy!

Hmmm. That was the weekend before homecoming. Maybe I'll skip homecoming and go up in November instead.

eta: I wonder how much he gets for a speech?

There's some interesting stuff in the Apprentice 2 entry at Wikipedia, including everyone's last name and many personal websites.

Just going by names, Members of the Tribe seem to include Bradford and Andy as well as Stacy.

From the article about DT's QVC appearance:



Heh. No wonder DT thought Lisa did such a terrific job. She's a former beauty pageant winner (I think she was Miss Tennessee in the Miss America pageant, don't know what year).

Carolyn is to be featured this Sunday on Dateline. I think it shows at different times in different parts of the country so you'll have to check your local listings. Should be interesting as I think we see her in her private life as well as in her work.

Catty attitudes sink 'Apprentice' girls. Vail Daily News. Find the errors, get a gold star! I counted two, but I may have missed one.

Andy was the "buss boy"? What did he do, kiss all the customers?

Yay! You caught that one Mama Tiger! That just cracked me up. Here's your gold star: *PING!* Right in the middle of your forehead.

Here's a hint about the second error:

It may as well have been typed by Katrina from last season. Particularly referencing her post-show interviews. Think verb tenses.

Number 2, after MamaTiger got the first one.



No they didn't, they tied in food.


Number 3



Katrina! You changed your name and moved to Vail! Who knew?

Yay! Hooray for Jaded Cat! You get two gold stars for the middle of your forehead: *PING!* *PING!*

There's an interesting article in Salon magazine called "Big Apple Bigots" that places JenC's gaffe vis-a-vis the elderly female diners in the larger context of similar recent offenses by Paris Hilton (who called two African-American designers "dumb n*****s") and a person on another reality TV show who condescended to one of the people on his show. The article's writer asks at the end:



I'm having difficulty deciding if Jen C's little diatribe was truly the result of some deep-seated racism or a careless insult made in the heat of the moment by someone who didn't understand the impact of her words. I lean toward the latter. I'm beginning to think that Jen C's mistake was one made by a clueless wealthy white person with the sort of attitude that is found only in those who have no first-hand experience of being on the receiving end of bigotry or oppression, and who possess the truly awesome sense of entitlement that can be born only of a lifetime of privilege -- akin to Ivana's "you're raping me" comment, and like Ivana's comment, the sort of thing that could be said so lightly only by someone who's never been in that place (i.e., the victim of religious prejudice, ethnic bigotry, or sexual assault). Mind, I don't condone anti-Semitism, but I don't think Jen C's rant means she has fantasies of goose-stepping down Park Avenue in jackboots and a coal-scuttle helmet, either.

[The Salon article is available in its entirety to subscribers. If you don't have a subscription, you can still get to the article if you first watch a short advertisement.]

And, if we get picky - Which ever - no space please.

Heh, poor Cassie Pence (the Vail Daily writer). First she had to print corrections from her last story thanks to me being snarky in an email, and now her "grammar" is being ripped apart. Maybe we should all chip in and send her to college.

I find it peeving that a person of Pence's ineptitude has a position in the press when I know many unemployed writers who could write circles around her and be accurate in their reporting. Bah.

JEN TO JEWS: 'SORRY'. NY Post. CLICK HERE for a picture of the front page.

Of course, accusing others of mental illness and flipping someone the bird behind their back are other manifestations of "love and deep understanding"

SHEESH!

Word! Then again, really, how prestigious is the Vail Daily?


Ohyeahright, because they give a shit. Please.

Valid point, Cynthia. It's not too prestigious a gig as compared to big city papers, but it's a sweet one. Ski resort. Famous faces abounding during ski season. Fabulous location. Not so much work that a person writing a novel would lack time to create. Yeah, it's a sweet gig for sure if you like the mountains. Me? I'm an ocean lover.

Trash plan may dump on Trump. NY Daily News. Heh. I find this story way more amusing than I probably ought to. Just think of the task possibilities for TA3, TA4, etc. Heh.

Yeah, I'd love to live in Vail actually.

Man that is the worst idea (the trash thing). That area is all set to explode in price and tax dollars due to the new (Trump-involved) AOL Time Warner building and other projects...unless they do that. Short-sighted dummies.

Article says that the producers are scrambling to include footage that provides context to JennBangs' remarks. This should be interesting on many levels. First will the context appear to make her more sympathetic? Second, just how good are the editors at manipulating viewers?

From the Post article:



Taken out of context? Exactly how were they out of context? We saw her say those things, several times. Once maybe, repeatedly, not so much.



More likely, JennC, you are tremendously disappointed at losing your job.

End quotes

I can't imagine any successful business person not realizing that what they say on a TV show or in a printed article will be held up to extreme scrutiny. She was pissed that Apex lost and she went on and on about losing, assigning blame to anyone but herself. The expressions she used were wrong in any context.

This leads me to think that Stacey R. did make Jenn's comments an issue in the boardroom. And If Jen C. knew that the show was going to make an issue of this and air her "old bat" related comments, and that those comments went on to be part of why she was fired by Trump, then she really should have said something to her boss's about their publicity campaigns. No need to bring them down with her.

I tend to agree. The fact that she uses "Jewish" so freely as such a derogatory descriptor lends credence to the suspicion that this is common in her circles. I suspect this is habit with her but that this is the first time she's ever been called on it. If you're a "minority", you tend to be more sensitive or at least aware of the impact of words. As much as I despise the lil gremlin, Stacy, she had every right to feel offended and upset by Jenn C's comments. It's also interesting that the people who were most upset about the questionable conditions of Stacie J's departure were Kevin (African-American), Raj (Indian/Irish) and Jenn M (married to a Jewish dentist).

One more grammar mistake in the Vail article - of Raj, the writer says that "he casted" his team well. The correct word is "cast".

I just saw an ad for The Apprentice on QVC -- complete with the show's "Money" theme song, the opening scene, and "watch on NBC". It was a plug for QVC being on the Oct. 7.

Ya gotta love DT's marketing strategy. Now he has the "yoogest" mass marketing channel plugging not only TA, but the book he was selling on a show earlier this week. Apparently he offered Lisa Roberts, who was the show host for his book appearance, a job! The fact that she's really attractive and was a beauty pageant winner probably had nothing to do with it (heh). Damn, of all the shows to miss ... I would have loved to see him offer Lisa a job. [I know ... it's a sickness]

Oh dear! Shrimp Eyes is coming back? I hoped we were rid of her for good...

Whoops.

Oh, and Trump? Shut it. Calling StacieJ's new position as a publicity stunt is a little like the pot calling the kettle black.

Heh. It actually warms me to Elizabeth to know she made an "erotic" student film.

Jenn C being dragged out of her boss's office by security: "It's out of context! I was sick of Italian! The decor was good-good-good-good! The munchkin's behind this, I tell you! The muunnnnchkin....."

You know what I think about this one? I think there's just about as much of a chance of running into a giant polar bear after you miraculously survive a horrible plane crash and find yourself on a deserted but lush island in the South Pacific. With monsters.

So, basically, I'd have to see it to believe it.

Hi everyone. I'm new to this forum, but used to post frequently in TAR, and others. (Hi Miss Alli!)

I don't think Jenn is a racist. Her remarks were clueless, unfortunate and downright stupid, but I didn't see anything "racist" or bigotted in what she said. Her big gaffe... aside from the huge gaffe of "not watching everything you say, because dammit you're on tv," was that she called the women Jews. She didn't say jews were bad. She didn't say Jews were cheap (a major stereotype). She didn't say anything other than those ladies that gave us the bad review were fat, jaded and jewish. As I said... "you're on tv... govern yourself," but I fail to see what was bigotted about it. Being a lifelong New Yorker (until the last few years), I know we don't see a problem with bringing up someone's ethnicity. We have many in the city. It's an identifier that makes things easier. I'm italian... she's a jew... Joe is puerto rican. "See that guy over there?" "The black guy?" "No... the Waspy guy." It just makes things easier. Would I ever say it on TV, god I hope not. But I don't think Jenn is guilty of anything more than being stupid.

Oh, and for the record, I hated Jenn anyway. She was evil.

I agree the only reason Trump would bring her back is
1. to fuck up a task for the two finalists or
2. for the pleasure of firing her again.

Two more errors from Ms. Pence:



I do believe whichever is one word.

And



It's whom, not who.

Ha, ha. Trump's obvious annoyance at Stacie J's new job just tickled me. I suspect that Trump is experiencing something he never expected from a former Apprentice contestant with Stacie J. In her post-firing interviews, she called his decision wimpy, and she has an obvious disdain for the way he handled the Apex pile-on.

Last year's contestants seem to be generally respectful and diplomatic in their comments about Trump. As far as I know, even Bradford, from this season, refrained from taking any shots at DT. I think most of the contestants have hopes of working with Trump in some capacity in the future, or at least using him as a connection.

IMO, Stacie was so disgusted by the whole experience, she probably doesn't want to have anything to do with DT in the future.

It will be interesting to see whether Stacie shows up for the finale. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump refused to have her come back. Or, if she is not compelled contractually, she might just blow off the finale. But if she does show up in the finale, I'll be quite interested in seeing just how she and Trump relate to one another.

Hee! And true. I have a theory that some of these production people are aware of some of these stories (not all but some) of cast members before the shows begin airing. But that they release knowledge of some of this later on to help boost ratings.

Speaking of which, there was as blind item on Fametracker about one of the women on this season had a wild groupie past, and among the men she's slept with were members of Bush and Marilyn Manson. Eww...

This is pretty self-explanatory to everyone except Jenn C.

Reality TV can be a dangerous game.

I still don't get where people think that Jen could have defused the problem with her day job by letting TPTB at Douglas Elliman know what was coming, since she's technically still under a $5 million gag order, an NDA that applies to everyone she encounters.

Edited because I'm a true grammar queen.

From the Albany Times Union article posted by Absurdist:



This is the best, most lucid comment on Jen C.'s troubles that I've seen in the media so far. It's also the most accurate, as Americans are indeed less guarded about their views on race and religion in private than they are in public. It's not just a white thang, either; my family is Chicano, and we've been known to complain about the gabachos (Anglos) when we're among our own, using some less-than-complimentary terms. Do we hate Anglos? No -- although let's face it, some of you White people can get pretty weird sometimes (I keed! I keed!).

All I'm saying is, I don't think Jen C. is guilty of anything more than what the vast majority of the American populace of all races, religions and backgrounds have done behind closed doors from time to time. But most of us aren't being followed around by a cameraman and a mike, so we get a bye, so to speak.



Even without a gag order, I doubt Jen C. could have done anything to defuse the situation ahead of time. The apprentices don't get to see the episodes before they air, nor do they get "final cut" or prior approval of episodes, so she probably didn't know which of her comments would make the final broadcast. Saying she should have known isn't really germane; does anyone really censor him or herself when speaking in private, and in heat?

I still don't like the woman, particularly after she commented in one article that she was a "person of love," or some similar nonsense. Puh-leeeeze. Loving human beings don't call their coworkers "crazy," or lead a jihad against them. But painting a brushy little mustache on the woman isn't really appropriate to her sins.

Hee, hee!

Axed again.



Yeah. We noticed.



Like Richard Butler?

You're hired! Ciao Bella shows how to handle success. The Star-Ledger. More of a business oriented story, but it does illustrate The Apprentice Effect.

Sure, right after Sam, Bradford and Stacie J come back. (Did this info come from a magic 8-ball, perchance?) And you know, with her mouth, I'm not sure coming back would actually help her.

NY Post's recap w/Trump commentary.

TRUMP'S OBNOXIOUS APPRENTICE LONG FILLED WITH 'FIRE' NY Post. Dish on Jen C. Highly recommended.

About Stacie J. NY Post

Ok, Gucc pooch is hilarious. She seems like a real winner, though I don't exactly take everything said in that second piece as the gospel. But still, funny.

Oh no, it's the Post after all. Heaven forfend anyone treat it as fully accurate. One thing I do believe? Jen C. has pissed off some folks with media connections during her time in the big city. That's a gift, that is.

Oh good grief. Now she's made the news on another continent - all the way to Oz.

Here`s an interview with George, in which he says he wasn`t paid for the first Apprentice and wants compensation http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/C...lay=Programming

Yeah, me either. Someone could say the same about me in my early 20s. I had many obnoxious moments. I learned. Let's hope Jen C. will do the same.

I think she should pursue the acting career.

1) She is gorgeous.
2) She would make an excellent villian.

In the latest Entertainment Weekly, in the What to Watch section they have a little blurb about watching the Oct. 7th episode. It talks about how if Donald wanted to get rid of a minority woman (probably mentions this due to an earlier article about the possible racial motivations behind Stacie J's firing and the casting of minorities in general on reality TV) he should have eliminated Ivana because "[she] needs the entire coven to do her backstabbing for her."

TWOP shout out or generally accepted term for Apex? I'm okay with either.

jellyeggs, that article you linked to sounds interesting but it's a pay subscription site; could you sum up the salient points of the article for us since there probably aren't many people here who subscribe?