I was so close to suing Mark Burnett for stealing my idea that I posted 4 days ago...


But he left out the part about hiring one of the fire-es. Damn. I went to far in the thought. DAMN!
:)

I do think it would be cool to see Bill in action--but, from the workers perspective, it would probably be such a hassle. I mean, they are trying to actually work and construct this building. You know they would throw Troy, or Asso in the mix or something...can you see Asso on a huge construction site? Trying to balance a hardhat on her pageant hair and teetering around on her heels on the scaffolding...

It's likely to run much more that than. I've lived in NYC for 9 years now and decent studio apartments in any part of the city pretty much (for the past several years which is probably when he might have bought it, given his age and when he got out of business school) run at least $250 - 300. You're lucky these days to find a decent one bedroom for $350, if at all.

Of course, Kwame might be renting - the rental market has been very soft over the past few years so even high-rise, very nice buildings are making good concessions to renters. Still not cheap, but not bad.

Word on the Wall Street bonus system. There's a standard base salary, and the rest is comprised of bonuses which are usually two to three times the base salary. As for his apartment, I think that's pretty typical for that area of New York.

I didn't mind seeing Bill&Kwame disagree on Norville. It's good to see people actually disagree on things as they do in real life without the cattiness, eye-rolling, shouting, swearing and tears demonstrated by the women on the show. I honestly think this show has set back professional women. Even now, I still get irritated when I see any of the Apprentice women on TV, either in hysterics, trash-talking, famewhoring or continuing their petty feuds.


I've been a fan of Bill since the beginning but I will NOT watch any show that involves the Apprentice1 cast-offs, especially if it's just an excuse to bring back Omarosa onto a construction site. Yeah, I get the joke, Omarosa wearing a hat hard getting hit on the head with plaster. Assy, Katrina, Ereka, Sam, Nick - piss off from my TV screen! When will MB end his lurve affair with Assy. His insistence on bringing her back and inlficting her on the public is a form of cruelty.

Lordy, they have to have a policy? How many Goldman Sachs employees are on reality TV shows? Or, is there an epidemic of yuppies trying out for reality TV?

The winner of the last The Bachelorette, Ian MacKay, also worked at Goldman Sachs. I wonder if he and Kwame knew each other... Actually, Ian was almost the new Bachelor too, but he backed out at the last minute and did Bachelorette instead. Goldman employees work really long hours and the burn-out rate for those jobs is pretty high. A lot of people take a year or so off to go travelling or just kick around. I guess they can afford to do that because the salary is so high.

That's the case with most Wall Street jobs. It's one reason why so many Wall Streeters (not all, but a LOT) have problems with alcohol and drugs. The pressure is so intense, the hours so long that it's bound to create opportunities for these kinds of problems. But so many stick with it, regardless, because of the huge financial payoff that results from climbing the ladder at such firms.

I don't know. Perhaps he didn't say it the most humble way, but it doesn't reek of ego to me since it is factual. As far as we saw on editing, he did not lie, cheat, steal or act cutthroat towards anyone.

Apprentice Bill's Gig Uncertain?

Thanks, everyone, for clearing up my Goldman Sachs compensation question. The article is less than clear; it compares Kwame's $125K to the $250K to be paid the Apprentice and quotes Trump as saying that Kwame gave up so much "it scared him". This makes no sense at all unless you assume a yoooge bonus that the author didn't mention. Sloppy, sloppy writing. Not everyone who reads the Journal works on Wall Street! Some of us are even stay-at-home moms trying to keep up with the world.

blocked writer, I thought of you and your very eloquent post when reading the Globe article, and imagined the top of your head blowing off when you read it. All this article does is spotlight black women who are making a living off of perpetuating an ugly stereotype that, while it may profit them in the short term, is doing untold damage in the long term. Omarosa may talk about all she's doing to "help black youth" and hold herself out as a role model, but the reality is that she is providing supporting evidence for those who are looking to have their prejudices and biases confirmed. She is a truly horrible excuse for a human being.

I must add, though, that I doubt Condoleeza Rice, Rosa Parks and Harriet Tubman would appreciate being lumped in with the likes of Omarosa, Eve and Wanda Sykes.

If anyone wishes to send an email to the ad agency who is pitching Omarosa to their clients, here's where to send it:

Write to Linda Kaplan Thaler at:

kaplanthalergroup@kaplanthaler.com

I sent one today - this is the agency that represents Clairol and had sent Oma to test for an ad - seems Clairol got a huge response of emails against this so they've dropped her - but the agency still seems to be pursuing opportunities for Omarosa which I think is horrid and I told them so.

You know, with all this bad blood going on between the girls, it's astonishing that MB and DT didn't think to give them interviewing lessons. Really, Sam seems like he's taken a few notes on the subject. All this bickering is looks bad for DT--after all, he was out at the beginning trumpeting (no pun intended) how great they were. Shouldn't they have at least taken Interviewing 101?

On a similar note, Omarosa seems to have a vague idea of political "spin" in interviews, but she's flat-out TERRIBLE at it. If you listen to politicians and general political people when they give "light" interviews, like on the local radio station and such, they find a way to jokingly deflect questions back onto the questioner ("Why run for President? So I can appear on morning radio shows, of course!") Omarosa tries this tack, but is so condescending and rude that it backfires and just makes her look worse: "I know you're a new journalist, but check your sources, dear." Who really says that anyway?

BibiBella, nice work. I don't wear use Clairol products anyway, but I absolutely admire your dedication to this. Good job!

Meghan Jill, I don't use Clairol products either but the thought of Liar-rosa getting more publicity and making $$$ makes my skin crawl - thus my emailing Clairol (as did many others, it seems) about this and now emailing the ad agency who is pitching Oma to their clients.

So I say, round up the troops and deluge Linda Kaplan Thaler with tons of emails letting her know that any product/service that uses Oma in an ad will suffer from a swift backlash. Ad agencies and corporations are far more sensitive these days to consumer backlash and they will pull someone who will cost them $$$.

And since I'm unemployed right now, I figure I might as well do my public service to America by working to keep Omarosa off the airwaves, LOL!

I would SO watch The Bill Show. Do it, NBC!!

Received this email in response to my "please don't hire Omarosa" request. Anyone else get this standard reply?

I don't think has been mentioned before - Wed. night on Larry King he's scheduled to have cast members from The Apprentice on for the hour.



Also, did y'all see Fametracker.com's latest Galaxy of Shame? Good snarky digs at Bill, Kwame and Nick.

Thanks, all, for the email addresses. I contacted everyone, including Passions. (passions@nbc.com)

One or two people have mentioned Omarosa's interview on Scarborough Country, but here's a link to the transcript if anyone is interested. Even if you totally disagree with Joe Scarborough's political views, you'll probably enjoy this anyway. When introducing Omarosa, Joe mangled the pronouncation of "Manigault". All I could think of was: Mizrahi! Yay mispronouncation!

Some other highlights:


Sure, dear. Nobody minds when a man lies. (eye roll)



Yes, it is bigger than editing. It's called LYING.

I thought Scarborough actually did a pretty good job at treading the fine line between trying to get an answer and bashing Omarosa into the ground (although I wish he could have, I do understand that is not considered polite for talk-show hosts to do to their guests). She pretty much looked like the liar we all know she is. And that's good enough for me.

Nice proofreading. Dorks.



Nice revisionist history. Bitch.




Great way to NOT answer a question. Lunatic.

Is it me, or is this a political news program? Because the fact that they find it acceptable to have Omarosa on the same show as the Democratic Presidential candidate really lowers my faith in the American viewing public.

Er, she's a businesswoman? Since when? She studied at Howard, worked (or not) at the White House, entered pageants.

Oh, yeah, maybe it's her husband's Radio Shack she's talking about - she sells cell phones in the suburbs... (say that fast 10 times)

ETA: on Jay Leno last night, in his banter with his sidekick, he mangled Omarosa's name and then made a reference to how annoying she was. I was struck by the fact that she'd been a guest yet that didn't stop him from bashing her! Guess he won't have her back anytime soon.

This was not a disagreement in the sense of an exchange of ideas. This was Carolyn and Bill ganging up on Kwame, saying he was irresponsible on a task, after the show is over. What purpose does it serve now, particularly since Bill won? It's not like Carolyn should feel the need to defend Bill's record in the event he had lost. Conveniently she doesn't say what Kwame wasn't doing that could have lost this task. Where's the "to do" list that Kwame was so flagrantly ignoring? Carolyn described Bill as "going bananas" or something, I guess meaning he was running around. Well, I think it's been shown that Bill goes into Banana mode fairly easily. It's not necessarily an indication of urgency. Clearly the key to winning this task was the VIPs. Bill was meeting with them. So what's the problem? Kinkos was just logistics, an easy task that apparently Bill had agreed to do. If Bill was feeling overloaded he could just ask Kwame to go to Kinkos for him, and does anyone think Kwame would have said "No"? Maybe the Kinkos visit was contingent on information from the VIP meeting. Apparently Bill is both a badgering boss and a martyr employee. He shoud stick to being a one man operation I think.


What's interesting is that Bill wanted credit for the Casino task win because of the VIP idea (which is fine), but very pointedly did NOT give credit to Amy just moments before when he was describing what he thought was his own turning point in the game, which was PMing the pedicab project. He said they won by a substantial margin because of advertising and he really thought outside the box. No mention of Amy whatsoever, yet it was her idea to do advertising. Deborah even joked that he was taking credit for a group effort and Bill defensively said (paraprhasing) "Well I would have been held accountable if we had lost, so it's fair for me to take credit for the win". Yet, somehow that doesn't apply to Kwame on the casino task.


What is not factual is the "success" part of his statement. He's comparing success on a series of game show tasks to success in real life business.

So I was moved to finally place my first post by the irony inherent in this statement from the Scarborough Country interview:



So now the other 15 apprentii are added to the ever growing list of items to hit her on the head?

It's been discussed on this forum that on the pedicab company's web site, they mention that they accept advertising on their cabs. And that the team checked out the website the night before the task. So it looks like that was not a "think outside the box" idea at all, but may have been something they all knew was an option, and which by chance, Amy said on camera.

If that's the case, then the real value-added was Bill suggesting they revisit companies they'd worked with in previous tasks.

BTW, if it's true that it's on the company's web site - how did the other team fail to pick up on it? That makes them look even worse. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it think. (sic)

Meghan Jill

I think it is a political news program. But it is also part of NBC, so who can resist jumping on the bandwagon with everyone else at NBC? After all, Joe doesn't want to be left out!

Did Bill do any of those things in building up his cigar company, then? I think he proved himself succesful before he ever went on the Apprentice. And then his series of wins on the show only backed up that you don't have to be dishonest to be succesful.

Because it's all about Assorama's suffering. The woman makes me retch. How in the hell did she suffer? In what possible way was it suffering to stay in a suite in Trump Tower, be given the opportunity to compete for a high-paying (compared to working at the White House) position within the Trump Organization, meet high level celebrities and executives and get her fame-ho'ing self on television?

She suffered?

I'm outraged. Ereka suffered. Kwame suffered.

And the advertisers and studio executives allowed Assorama to suffer for the sins of the show? Who is she, Jesus? Or, Jesus, who is she?

She got conked on the head with a little piece of cee-ment and was fine. A-OK.

And she did not answer one question directly. She deflected, she demurred, she put blame squarely on everyonbe else. She's abhorrent!

GAH!!!!!!!

Must. lower. blood. pressure.

from the Scarborough Country interview:



Yikes. This woman is scary! Too bad there are people who really think this way. Luckily, I've run across only one like her. This is a very sad sentiment.

I am beginning to wonder if this rumor of the MB cease and desist to Omarosa has legs. IIRC, Omarosa began with the "I've moved on" speech just after the rumor started. I first noticed it in the Oprah show. Although the issue was most definitely addressed, Omarosa was full of all that vague speech and, "I was called much worse than that" but never replied to Ereka, "yes, you did call me the N word." In the Scarsborough interview it was more of the same. I haven't seen her address the issue with the same vim since prior to the rumor. As Joe pointed out, she wouldn't even assert that it did or did not happen.

This, of course, flies in the face of what Kwame himself has said: that he didn't fire her because he didn't think he could, and that in the amount of time he had he felt that a sub-par employee was at least useful as an extra pair of hands.

(italics added)

Cease and desist order, anyone?

This interview was one of the most unintentially revealing ones she's given. She dodges, she weaves, she delights in the tricks she played on people, she revises history, she refuses to answer direct questions ("I‘m just not going to talk about it, Joe"). In print any positive effect her presence might have drops completely away, you focus on what she's really saying, and her horrible personality shines through.

Ugh.

Nope. From what I've gathered, the Cease and Desist is a rumor. No one other than ZAP2IT has gone forward witht he story, and if it were true I'm pretty sure other shows would have picked up on it.

Omaorosa's "I'm moving on" snippets are out of Omaorsa's refusal to give Ereka anymore press time becuase of this situation. It's a game. If Omarosa doesn't respond or offer a response, then Ereka has nothing new to complain about. It's really just a passive aggressive way to bother Ereka, and Omarosa knows it, which is why she's doing it. Omaorsa just does not want to provide Ereka with any material to comment on or use to gain press/media appearances.

Plus, Omarosa does comment on certain things if they can work to her advantage. When she was asked about Ereka's lie detector test, she responded with something to the affect of , "The fact that she would take a lie detector test administered by someone who was hired by a racially charged "shock jock" or show should tell you how credible that test is." Of course, it bullshit---but she found a way to spin that question to her favor. This is was Ereka fails to grasp.

Omaorsa is batting Ereka around like a cat with a toy mouse.




I think she's referring to the gag order that all candidates signed concerning the show.


Also, Starr Jones did not hear about Kwaame supposedly beign the winner form Oamorsa. On the show yesterday, Starr said to Bar bara Walters that the person who told her Kwaame wins was the same person who tokd Barbara about the Sex and The City finale ending. So, I doubt Omaorsa would have personal or inside scoop on SATC.

Yup, I definitely think revenge was her motive. It was payback time. Kwame better get a bodyguard before she starts chopping up rabbits.


Bwah! Kwame was running around fixing Assy's fuck-ups. Troy was the only employee who contributed anything, and Assy even tried to sabatoge him too, IMO. I suspect that entire breakfast mix-up was orchestrated by Assy to make Troy look bad.


Well, that is certainly what I saw.

I'm going to stop reading anymore Assy interviews. She just infuriates me. When is her 15 min gonna end?

Tashanir, I have a slightly different take on why Omarosa is avoiding the N-word controversy and saying that she's moving on.

I think it's because her ploy to get sympathy with this accusation has backfired, and because she can't back it up and knows that if she keeps making the accusation, Burnett and Trump will go even more on the offensive and she'll be outed even more as a liar.

IOW, I think it was a calculated strategy that backfired, and she's abandoning it because it would cost her more than she thinks she would gain by pursuing it.

That, and maybe she got a "cease and desist" letter. Who knows?

ETA:

I read the Scarborough interview in its entirety and it's really fascinating. He was able to draw out something she hasn't admitted publicly - reading between the lines it appears she was seriously pissed off that Kwame brought her into the boardroom and she got fired. She lays that directly at Kwame's feet, and feels it was unjustified because she was the only one who sold any artwork in that challenge.

Basically, she feels he took her to the BR, got her fired, and why the hell in those circumstances would anyone in her position be motivated to help the person directly responsible for her downfall win the whole shebang?

If she weren't so used to beating around the bush (when she's even in the same zip code as the bush in terms of truth-telling, which isn't often), she'd probably come right out and say she had it in for Kwame. In terms of how indirect and evasive she usually is, she practically shouted it from the rooftops in this interview!

And I lost count of the number of times in this interview she used the phrases "move on" and "moving on."

I disagree that Kwame was being "ganged up on" regarding his performance during the casino task. When Bill talked about his idea of approaching the VIPs, it was as a member of the winning team, not to take away anything from Kwame. But Kwame was adamant in pointing out that of course he was aware VIPS would be a good target, as if Bill really hadn't done anything he wouldn't have done.




But Kwame said he felt it was important for him to go to the magician act, to meet the producers and for he and Troy to choose what they wanted to use from the act at the casino, so I think he would have chosen "helping" Troy versus helping Bill if he'd asked. A lot more fun to attend an evening of entertainment than to attend a boring meeting and oversee boring details of printing stuff at Kinkos.



I didn't see him as either a badgering boss or martyr employee. Even Trump has said, "God is in the details," and no doubt recognized Bill's ability to do whatever it takes to get the job done succesfully as more desirable than a laissez-faire attitude.

Perhaps it's my hormones making me bitchy today, but I'd like to make the point that it was ME who posted the NY Times article about the ad agency as well as links to the agency's website and contact page first. You can find them HERE.

I also posted the link to the web-based contact page for Herbal Essences over in the Omarosa thread HERE the night of the finale during a commercial break before the final BR had even begun. Also, Girlysogroovy posted the snail mail addy and contact #s for P&G that night in the O thread HERE. I know I'd like to get some of the credit for helping things along and Girlysogroovy deserves some too.

/bitchiness

Oh yeah, STOP OMAROSA!!!

Goobaletta, I was not trying to take away anything from your efforts - I simply re-posted the info about the ad agency so that folks could find it even more easily (not in a link, but as a posted e-mail address) since the thought of Oma getting $$$ and publicity makes me ill. And I'm guessing that Meghan Jill perhaps hadn't seen your posts given that they included links, etc.

I've lauded you publicly on these boards (as have many others) for all your efforts, so I'm not sure why your beef is so strong with me. I was simply trying to add to that effort by making the ad agency address more apparent.

Tashanir, I've rarely seen such a continued strong defense of someone so disliked before, so I have to ask you:

Are you Omorosa?

C'mon, you can tell us! We're all just the best of buds here at TWoP....*snort*...

SerendipityCA, that's not the first time Jay has trashed her. Glad to know that he's keeping this up.



. . . but reading it is nowhere near as fascinating as it was to watch. Girlfriend is not only delusional but seriously creepy. It was hilarious to watch her dancing around the issue and get all snippy with Scarborough. It was obvious he thought she's full of shit. He made her seriously uncomfortable, and damn that made good television.

I read the Boston Globe article linked earlier, and ugh. So now if I'm legitimately angry at work about an issue, I can't simply be angry - now I'm an ABW, thanks in part to Assy glamorizing it. Blocked Writer said it best, so there's no point repeating her, but word to her entire post upthread.

edited because, when giving props to my fellow posters, bold is a must!

I apologize, goobaletta, because I was thinking that everyone seemed to be working hard against having Omarosa sponsor anything, and BibiBella's post was the most recent I saw. I completely did not mean to slight you.

I have also been wanting for some time now to thank you for all the research you've done concerning articles on the show. I have to think it's contributed quite a bit for my love of the Apprentice, and that's not a bad thing. So thanks to you for that as well.

And thanks to everyone for all the comments, quotes, opinions, and fun snark.

Maybe she already has. Have you seen the white dress with the little white furry things dangling from it?

This kills me-- it's almost like she's trying to send a message that MB and Co tweaked the show (ie: by asking contestants to active sabotage), without saying it. Despite repeated assurances that no one was out to get the finalists, people refuse to believe anyone could be so incompetant, and this is a way for Assy to keep that hope alive. (I overheard a middleaged man outside Bloomingdale's the other day saying "I still think Omarosa was a plant. She had to be.") Nope, she's just completely incompetant, and perhaps very vindictive. It's like she's got some voodoo power-- even the boss who went on Access Hollywood to say he had to have her reassigned after a month finished the interview by telling Assy "if you're listening, I know you'll be a success" Guh????:

Graz, I did receive the exact same reply, and was just coming here to vent about it. Sigh....

Clairol sent me the same canned reply too.

I'm trying to decide if writing the agency that is handling her is a good idea or not. If we just write letters to all the companies that consider working with her, this agency will get the hint eventually.

Then again, the idea that she could profit from her lies and misdeeds is really appalling. Standing by and doing nothing seems like too much of a cop-out.

Dog gone it, I was gonna post my response to Clairol, too.

Humorously enough, if Graz did an exact copy/paste of his/her email to the boards, then Clairol actually misspelled Omarosa's name. In that post, it said Hee. Even Clairol's spell checker hates Assorama.

ETA: It was correctly spelled in the email I received, so they must have realized their mistake at some point.

erinjsnark: I copied and pasted their message, so someone (the Ass herself?) must have caught the error. I'd like to reply to their "love to hate" comment with "I don't love to hate her, I just hate her!", but doubt they'd care. I still have some of their body wash - think I'll use it clean my toilet :)

Good point. Seriously? The last thing I need to see? Assorama going all orgasmic on my television. No. Thank. You.

Don't post copyrighted articles, link to them.
http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/faq.c...i?show=0&q=2069

mswestern I wouldn't even lump Omarosa in with Eve and Wanda Sykes. Both of them may have strong personalities (abrasive to some), but at least they have talent in their respective fields. I see Wanda Sykes as a straight-talking woman who may occasionally offend, but an honest person. Something very different indeed from Omarosa.

As far as Condoleeza Rice, Rosa Parks and Harriet Tubman, it is a definitely a disgrace to mention this reality show freak in the same breath with these renowned women!

ITA, blocked writer.

Those women are truly strong black women and strong women and strong human beings. I'm still trying to decide if Assorama is even human.

And reading about Kwame's prospects post-Apprentice makes me like him even more. He's very smart. My business partner and I jokingly discussed doing something similar, but she hates to be on-camera and I'm impatient and would drop more f-bombs than Heidi (but without the blue eyeshadow).

divadoes it's best to post a link to the article rather than cutting and pasting the entire text of the article (copyright infringement, you know). I think that's covered in the TwoP FAQ's BTW.

Wow, Kwame had a plan all along! Good for him.

And as for Omarosa saying Kwame knows she didn't lie - er, ahem, she might want to read that interview. Or rewatch the episode, for that matter.

And, a sidebar/trivia question:

Q: how does National Security Advisor Dr. Rice spell her first name?

A: CondoleeZZa

I'm glad Kwame said this. Something I think is weird is that Bill (I don't think) has ever really talked about the projects themselves in considering his decision. He only considered "nice weather" vs. "home town". The jobs are totally different, night and day, managing a golf course vs. overseeing a building construction. I'm just surprised Bill didn't have something specific in mind regarding what he wanted to "learn" from Trump as the apprentice. Seems like a hardcore businessman like himself would focus more on the actual job than the location.

Thanks to Assy, I now hate the phrase "Strong Black Woman." The scariest thing about that article is that it basically brands Assy the face (and behavior) of Strong Black Women everywhere. Think about it. Anytime you say such a phrase to anyone who reads the paper or watch the show, they will immediately think of her. And if you claim to be a SBW, they'll assume that you possess the same character flaws that she does.

Kwame has said that Assy's trapped in "The Reality Matrix" and she needs to be unplugged. Which if you think about it is kinda creepy. We all know that she's crazy as shit. But what if she has whole heartedly assumed the role of "villian," and is so out of touch with reality that she doesn't realize that the game is over? Which leads to my other question. Do you think these people have to go through psychological evaluations?