Me too . . . I have questions I'm dying to have answered. Specifically, has Jessie had more pigeon experiences? Does she still think they are funny? Or has that novelty sort of worn off?

IzzyB,


Sorry to say - but the first person I ever heard say that is Amy. So, more kudos to Amy, as if she needs more . . . Although I'm over my Amy hate. Yeah, she's a bit irritating and full of herself, but, eh, decent and capable enough.

Dateline Very interesting that the entire panel would hire Amy over anyone else.



Carson was not talking about the entire game. Carson thought(cannot believe I am typing anything related to that man's throughts) that the final task had "roadblocks" put in to test the finalists. Like how will Kwame handle the "lost" Jessica. Thank god they said why didn't he just ask the father/manager.

Very turned off by Kwame inferring that his marriage broke up because of his skirtchasing. His stock just went way down in womanworld. He played a respectful game on the show and last night his interviews were just about him being a playa.
Awesome Burnet interview.


Usually you use the money you win in one pagent to finance the next pagent. Also, you can pick up sponsors. Very turned off by her talking about having a brother in jail-he ain't on the show so leave him out.

Glad to hear that Troy is getting work as a motivational speaker. Loved him with his little sister.



Damn! Now I wish Oma, Katrinia, or Erica won the show.

Today's Chicago Sun-Times has a lot of Apprentice material, including a couple of very smart observations:

1)Of the 16, Bill and Kwame are the two who least needed to be on this show to get a hotshot corporate job (especially since Kwame already had one);

2)Had they held the Four Horsemen interviews back when there were 16 contestants instead of four, Kwame and Bill still would have been the last ones left standing.

In other words, what was the point of lemonade stand, Marquis Jet, charity auction, etc., in terms of picking the finalists?

Sam:

Never thought I'd hear myself say this, but Sam rocks.

Baltimore Sun article - how many times is that chef, Groupy, going to re-hash the story of the Caesar salad? It's like the third time I've read that. This, though, was great:


What I'd give to say that at a staff meeting and walk away with my job intact.



Pretty ironic, considering Trump is a registered Dem.

OK, I've got one to add - from the Boston Globe: one reality show you're not ashamed to admit you watch.

Oy, I'd almost forgotten about the pictures of Ponderosa (TM someone else cleverer than I) with Gore and Clinton. When they showed those last night I remember thinking that O probably had them blown up to life size and has them plastered onto the walls in her living room so every single person who comes in will know that she was "an advisor" to the Clinton administration.

The funny thing is that the pictures, I'm guessing, were probably ones that the president and VP take every year with all the "interns" and other little people who work for them as a bone at Christmas time or something so they have something to take home and impress their friends and family with. In other words, there are probably hundreds of people running around out there with pictures just like it.

I can see the photo shoot now.

Photographer: "OK. Next!"
(Omarosa steps up next to President)
O: "Mr. President, I just want to say what a great honor it has been to serve in your administration. After all, I'm just a poor girl who grew up in the rough projects of Youngstown, Ohio and now here I am taking a picture with . . . "
Clinton: "Yeah, whatever, sweetheart, we're on a schedule here. Look at the camera and smile."
Photographer: "That's great. Next!"

Is it bad that I watched the whole Dateline show last night (though must have somehow missed the introductions to the panelists) and sat there watching them talk at the end saying to myself "I know who that guy is...wait, I think I... no...who the heck is he?...haven't I seen him in a photo with Tiger Woods recently?...who the heck is he?!"

Seriously! I didn't realize it was Carson Daly until I logged on here this morning. Just call me Tammy!

No! Wait, don't do that...

I remember reading in this thread a while back about a "black" paper having editorial reviews on every episode. The writer was focusing on the afro American contestants and said he would keep on until there were some left in the show. Do anyone know were those reviews can be found?

Tried finding the old link but..... you people spam tooooooo much =)

Or you can call Carson Daly old. After all, he's getting a lifetime achievement award.




Was it Black Enterprise?

You're welcome, RhondaGC - she just reminded me of every little kid I've ever seen interviewed on TV, who couldn't answer the questions posed to them because they were so transfixed by the sight of their own image on the monitor.

On the Dateline special they said that Bill's degree from Loyola was in criminology. Criminology? IMO that takes a lot of wind out of his sails when it comes to his bragging about his education. I'm not sure what kind of classes you take for a criminology degree (fingerprinting 101? criminal psychology?), but I can't imagine they would be all that helpful in running one of Trump's companies -- unless perhaps it is the Donald Trump security company. I'd take Kwame and his MBA any day.

The coiner seemingly was Amy, on The Tonight Show. (EDIT- oops-someone got it)

THIS is a great one. Ponderosa--as in "ponderous". Hee.

My opinion of B. Smith went way, way up last night after she referred to Assorama as a "diva". You want a strong, black woman who made it on her own? Then B. Smith is your gal.

Thanks Goobaletta for all of the great links!

My favorite part about the scary Assorama NY Post cover picture is that the most noticeable headline is not the one about Assy, but rather the one right next to her photo which reads DEATH TICKET--unintentional snark, perhaps?

Oh yeah, absofrigginglutely. OhWhatLieDidITellNow?Osa can't call B. a racist. She also can't accuse her of being someone who is trying to hold strong black women down or someone who doesn't know what it means to struggle through adversity and rise above it. She also can't say that B. is jealous since Assorama is a "beauty queen" because B. started her career as a professional model, I believe.

That was a beautiful verbal slam dunk.

Word! And Troy had two other people depending on him, whereas Assorama had only herself to support. There's a world of difference right there.

Count me among those who were disappointed in Kwame's revelations. My only comfort is that at least he's not the complete non-entity some folks try to portray him as being. Oh well, I still love him. Just not as much. Well, then there was that thing about giving Troy a suit because he didn't have one. There's a real friend.

And I loved B. Smith for giving the subtle smackdown to Assorama.

You know, I can't stand Carson Daly, but he actually got off the best line last night. When Mizrahi was claiming Kwame was the best at logistics and Carson shot back, "Then where's Jessica Simpson?" I laughed for about a full minute.

Word on Omarosa's husband being scared of her. When she leaned in for that kiss and he just kept staring forward with that blank expression in his eyes, it was a seriously creepy moment.

And I now feel bad for ever thinking anything uncharitable about Troy. What a great guy.

Sleepy Head, you are correctamundo that B Smith began as a professional model - and a very successful one at that, as I recall. Her achievements as a model is all the more impressive given that she was modeling back in the 70's when black women weren't exactly getting loads of modeling jobs back then. And she created her own business - restaurants, books, a TV show - through her own initiative.

She is fabulous, IMO, and could show Oma a few things about what a 'strong black woman' is all about!

Some additional thought son the Dateline piece:

* Sam's apartment is very Trumplike. Beautiful marble bathroom with this fountain thing... I loved his Shaddup Sam notes he carries with him.

* Bill has a slew of interviews and photoshoots coming up. I suspect he will not be single for long.

* The panel like Amy the best as an employee (except Isaac, I think...He lurves Kwame). Carson Daly and Danny Deutch seemed to be especially taken by her. But they wholeheartedly agreed that Bill was the best one to actually run a company. They also discussed whether Trump was looking for another Trump-like maverick or a steady viceroy. Bill's a maverick, Kwame's a viceroy.

* I liked the scene of Amy sitting on her motorcycle holding her divorce papers. I wish we could of seen more of that Amy on camera, rather than the insipid Amy/Nick. I also liked the way she laughed at Nick spouting off his presidential aspirations. He looked so annoyed. There was the stirring of a catfight about to erupt between those two.

* If you don't know Omarosa, she can come off really well. A friend of mine who is not an Apprentice junkie like I am was over at my apartment when I was watching Dateline. He was really impressed with Omarosa and thought she was a major babe. She is very tall and statuesque (though a little too thin for my liking) and has a really beautiful face. She also sounds so eloquent and educated. When she's in front of the camera, she tends to eclipse everyone else. She does have a certain presence. Although I still think she is pure EVIL, she is certainly fascinating to watch. For some reason, I really liked the scene of her sitting on the carpet with her little cat and its tiara.

* I wish they would have profiled Heidi instead of Ereka. I have no interest in Ereka and her abs. Enough about n-gate. Why is she even on my screen? Heidi deserved to be profiled more than she did. Evidently, Heidi was not Heathery enough to merit attention. Sad.

* Carson Daly looked very old and bloated. Is he retaining water? His face is monstrous - and he's bitchy too.

You know what to do, Sammy -- flash them manson lamps, and scare those fans off for good!!

From today's Ted Casablanca's Gossip Column on E! Online...

Nick Warnock of The Apprentice, getting nakedly intimate with a UV bed at L.A. Tanning, Sunset Blvd. Booted off The Apprentice last Thursday with his showboating partner in crime, Amy Henry, redheaded Nick-babe was probably prepping up his freckled skin for this week's live finale showdown. Or maybe he was trying to impress the pants off the Donald.

Nick getting some orange skin to match the hair.

E! Online Articl

Nick logging time at a tanning salon? Not surprised. The smartest thing he ever did was get a haircut. He looked like a big red Chia Pet in his audition tape.

Okay, it's Tax Day 2004 but all we're thinking about is The Apprentice. So to help you get through your jones, I offer a few more articles.

TV Guide Online's Watercooler column.Snarkalicious commentary on last night's Dateline. You gotta scroll down a bit, but I swear it's worth it.

The Apprentice's Secrets Revealed! From the Insider column at TVGO. Not much, if anything, new for diehard fans.

Why Does Omarosa 'Trump' Condi? From the Philadelphia Daily News - free registration required. Read this one. Very interesting.

Trump this, pal. From the Baltimore Sun. Snarkesque and worth reading.

'You're fie-uhd!': The Donald's a whiz at playing the Trump card. From the Richmond Times-Dispatch. An homage. <insert eyeroll here>

Donald Trump Can't Say 'You're Fired!' to the Winner of Verizon Wireless' '15 Minutes with Trump Text to Win' Sweepstakes. From PR Newswire. Somehow I can just see Sam txting over and over again to improve his odds at getting 15 more minutes...

If there's one thing we've learned from the Apprentice, it is: never underestimate the insult capabilities of Omarosa!

Don't know why it didn't occur to me that the Today show would have a segment about The Apprentice; heck, even my local NBC station is finding ways to mention it every chance they get on the local news. But, I did catch Dateline last night. A few comments from upthread:



Even more scary, I don't think it was a perm; I think it was just longer and probably lacking in styling products. Wordy word word to choco on the big red Chia pet comment!



I'm getting the impression that Dramarosa had the tiara permanently attached to the poor cat (which wouldn't surprise me all that much; it must be so much effort to actually find where the cat buried it and get it back on her, in case a camera shows up).



The only problem I had with that bit, was she seemed to be implying that her husband dumped her when she lost the dot-com money (that's how it came across to me, anyway). I neither know nor care whether that's even remotely true; it just came across as bitchy (on the other hand, maybe it was a tactic to engage Trump's empathy; I'm sure he can relate to feeling as if people are using you for your yoooooge ban account). I know Sars has this tm'd for Katrina, but: Hate!

Now, where do I sign up for the Troy doll? Someon should suggest this to him, 'cause the boy could make some serious money with this!

Ereka (and her lie detector test), Kristi, and (I think) Katrina will be on Howard Stern's E! show tonight.


He looked like he recently had an eye job, too. He looked wide awake and slightly surprised. All the time.

This quote from Bill's sister....why does this not surprise us! Tee hee!

I agree with all the posts so far about the Dateline show last night. (Loved the "regular flavor NBC" reference. I also was saying WTF when Assy arrogantly said "Everyone thinks I'm wealthy." Who, you bitch? African tribesmen who have never heard of a television? Who? As a brilliant poster here noted, Troy has the TRULY sympathic "pulled up by my own bootstraps" story because he doesn't "pimp it like a ten-cent hooker"!

My thoughts about Assy's husband....that face was either heavily medicated or incredibly terrified. Talk about a "Stepford" response!

And, I've tried, y'all, but even without the uniquely delusional personality, I cannot see Assy as "beautiful" except in a "woman who's really a man dressed like a woman" sorta way! Her features are just too large and overdone.

Word!! OK, it's one thing to adore your pets and to provide them with, say, a sweater for when it's below freezing (like I've seen on dogs here in NYC), but another to put a frickin' tiara on the animal! I bet Omaorosa also beats the cat into submission to 'meow' at her that 'yes, Omarosa, you are the most beautiful, you are the most beautiful'. Weird.




I agree, Blondie. Her features are very 'hard' so she looks (JMO) like a drag queen...

Was anyone else bothered by the VO during the OMA-rosa clips saying she needed only one more unit to finish her Ph.D.? They made it sound like she only needed to finish one more class, for one unit's worth of credit and she would have the sheepskin in her hot little hand.

She very likely needs to finish her dissertation and then defend said work in front of her major professor and faculty committee. Before she can finish the dissertation, her topic needs to be hashed and re-hashed by her major professor, mucho research needs to be conducted (maybe primary research, maybe secondary, depending on the topic) and many, many drafts and rewrites of the manuscript have to be produced. This belies the ease of "finishing one more credit" to obtain "Dr." in front of her name. Many people stall out and hit what's referred to as "the dissertation wall." They are forever after known as A.B.D. (all but dissertation). How will the O'Diva have the time to finish up her degree if she's so busy with book deals, radio shows and what all else?

I didn't see any chemistry between O'Diva and her husband. They might as well have been strangers paired for a sound byte. Mark Burnett, please lay your cards on the table. If you're just being "playful" the time has come to let us in on the joke.

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catrina, you may wish to reacquaint yourself with these FAQs. That article has been linked to and discussed several times already.

Eek! Hey, BibiBella, get outta my brain! ;-)

I picked up on that too. And I keep thinking that maybe, just maybe this whole Apprentice experience is somehow connected to her efforts to finish her PhD. It is in Communications. Just imagine all the angles she could take:

1. Corporate America vs. The Strong Black Woman
2. How to stretch your 15 minutes of fame
3. How to drive the people around you plumb crazy while maintaining a calm demeanor.
4. How people respond when you lie right to their face and they know you're lying.

The list could go on for...years. What if she is a nice charming person (as Jay Leno said she was backstage) and this was all one big mind-fuck? I'm not saying I believe that, but what if? It's kinda brilliant actually.

Catrina, that article has been posted many times - so you may wish to re-read the FAQ's which have a rule against re-posting what has already been put on the boards.

I feel totally cheated by the Dateline special: I was counting on profiles of George & Carolyn. We got nothin'! Harumph.

I'm so glad to know that I was not alone last night in screaming at the TV, "but what about Jessie's pigeons?! Won't somebody think of the funny pigeons?!"

Word to everyone else who flipped out when they claimed that Omarosa only had "one credit" left for her Ph.D. There's no such frickety-frackin' thing, unless by "credit" you mean "write and defend your whole goddamn dissertation." I guess considering the presumed paucity of doctoral-degree holders at Dateline, though, it was like shooting fish in a barrel for Oma to pull yet another fast one.

Quando said:



Whoa now...a Criminology degree does not come from the B school, that's true. It comes from the Sociology department, and is basically a specialized Sociology degree (assuming that the Criminology degree from Loyola at least loosely resembles the one I got from my undergraduate school.) "Fingerprinting 101" would be more along the lines of a Criminal Justice degree, which is a completely different thing. [/OT]

But as someone who got a degree in the Sociology family, Bill should have picked up quite a good bit of knowledge in such business-crucial areas as human relationships, communication, logic, language, and perhaps even conflict resolution. Combined with his innate entrepreneurial savvy, any degree from a good school (and Loyola certainly qualifies) would hardly make him unlikely to be able to hold his own in the business world. In fact, he seems to have already demonstrated he's a pretty capable fellow. MBA's are wonderful, but they don't guarantee a good executive. No degree can do that by itself - it's much more about the total package - education plus experience plus instinct, etc.

Thank you oh vienna! There have been so many great moments on this show -- and yet Jessie on the bench wondering about the pigeons remains my fave. I'm chuckling about it right now. Why do we get tiara-ed cats on the Dateline special, but no pigeons? Damn Odawalla taking all the spotlight again.

So what does it say about him when his degree he should be good at all of those things but he comes across as terrible in terms of human relationships, communication, and language (I'm sorry but when you say sweet to imply homosexual that implies to me that you do not have a great grasp of the English language)?

Hey guys check it out! Bachelor Bill Ahhhhh what could have been....

I read very carefully and didn't see these cites so if they're really here and I missed them, well, we'll just have to decide I'm blind in one eye and can't read out of the other. These appeared in my Chicago Tribune (the print edition, as opposed to the on-line Metromix article which was linked several pages ago) this morning, and the first one -- about Quirky TV Characters -- includes both a paragraph or two about Omaraosa and a quote from Sars.

The second is about Boyfriend Bill and is mostly complimentary and kind. You'll find it here.

I think you need a subscription to read the Tribune, but it's free.

Ugh. So Bill really is nothing more then a famewhore. Dammit, naive little me really wanted to believe that someone on this show was actually on it because they wanted the job. Sigh...I bet Troy wasn't in it for the fame.


Somebody please reassure me that
ExtraTV.com is simply a crackpot gossip site. If not, Boyfriend Bill is "That Guy" and I'm going to have to place him in the "Shut Up and Just Look Pretty" pile.

Adding my "Harumph!" to yours, Ms Anthrope! (Luuurrrvee your screen name, BTW!)

I was so hoping for more on Carolyn & George with less on the fame whores, but that's TV. So typical that we get inundated with "info" about ppl who crave the spotlight and do EVERYTHING possible to stay in it, when we'd really like to hear more about the ppl who make us all feel BETTER about the human race!

I was also really squeeked out about that interview with Bill. If it's true, I'm with Rachel:

So.... condescending, sexist and shallow are perfectly acceptable. But Easy? No way!


It's funny how he makes no apologies for being "all about looks" yet he feels a need to justify that fact he gets drunk and horny.




For me it would be "Bill, Shut Up...Lie Down...and Just Look Pretty." God, I wonder if he whines during sex, too.

The story pechluck linked to appeared in today's Red Eye in Chicago with the following person-on-the-street interview snippets in response to the question, "Bill or Kwame?" They were so amusing to me that I had to post them:

"I'm for Kwame because, although he didn't do anything great like Bill did, Kwame isn't rude. But really, Amy should have won."

-Leif Brodersen, 20, student, Gold Coast

"I'd go for Bill because he represents Chicago, and I went to Loyola too. Kwame has the education, but Bill has the personality for running a large corporation."

-Bruce Davis, 27, real estate, River West

"Kwame, because he's just the best. But Omarosa should have won."

-Sonya Carlisle, 30, social worker, Albany, GA

"Bill should win because of the way he presents himself. He's all up on his thing, his business."

-Will Brown, 21, laundry attendant, Albany Park

"I want Bill to win because he's hot and level-headed."

-Renee Norman, 32, sales, Nashville


I am profoundly mystified at some of these comments. Someone actually wanted Omarosa to win? Someone thinks Bill is level-headed? I love me some Bill, but he's no cucumber. What the hell is a laundry attendant anyway?

Don't think I've seen these yet. USA Today has 10 Lessons of the Apprentice, and a profile of Mark Burnett.

Why am I not surprised both Bill and Kwame turn out to be playas?

I so hope she's not counseling people. If she thinks Assy is sane, she should be fired.

Exactamundo. Everyone even loosely associated with the WH staff gets these pics taken at least once a year. It's kind of like how the big boss of the international corporation that owned my publication came around once a year to hand everyone a holiday card and shake hands.

Yeah, we've all gotten "that picture" & "that card", haven't we! And, if the Big Boss walks by us the next day, he doesn't have a clue who we are or what we do for him.

Well, except for Assorama, of course, because she is so very remarkable.

Tell me about it. I overheard some girls talking at the mall at lunchtime, and The Apprentice finale came up. This is what they said:

I want Kwame to win. He's the cutest one!

Yeah, Kwame should win. He has a nice butt. Is he married?

Dunno. Bill seems kinda smart too. But I don't like his hair.

Omarosa wuz robbed! She shoulda won.

Word. You know she'd be running that thang.

Granted, they looked like high school girl but it was amusing nonetheless....

Gad.

Syracuse, you're exactly right. I have a Sociology degree from Loyola in New Orleans and Criminology/Criminal Justice fell under social sciences. Loyola is not an easy school and no matter what your major, you were required to take many courses in many different areas in order to be well-rounded in liberal arts.