Word, Isabella! Norma "wasn't born yesterday", as the saying goes, and she obviously saw right through Amy's use of charm, etc. on men and how she would treat women. Very astute observation on Norma's part (like you, I thought it was an odd question at the time, but now see why she asked that given Amy's treatment of the women on the View).

Thanks, goobaletta -- I don't know how I missed it earlier!

ITA with Girlysogroovy and others that initially Omarosa presented a good front, so I don’t think that anyone could have anticipated her actions. She even continued her stealthy stuff in the most recent episode by talking about how she was going to make Kwame look good before doing her worst to undermine him. Apart from that, she is simply a terrible human being; to attempt to say that some people might look at her as saying something about black women in general or that she was deliberately chosen to reinforce a stereotype is highly unlikely. Omarosa reminds me of what Lucy in the Charlie Brown comic strip would be like if she grew up to be a passive aggressive conniving weasel.

Aside from being pointlessly defensive, Mitchell’s article is flat-out factually incorrect in some places in its attempt to emphasize the “inappropriateness” of Omarosa’s casting. She claims, for example, that Omarosa was "usually the only woman in the boardroom wearing a skirt that barely covered the essentials." She never saw Amy? Makes you wonder if she saw the show at all.


Between cattiness, backbiting and general bitchiness exhibited by some of the other women, it is clear that they didn’t need any help from Omarosa to look bad. And of course, not all of the other women were white.

At 4:20 PM CDT, there'll be a brief interview with Troy on WGN AM 720 (Real Audio feed).

From the Sun-Times article:





I can be a conspiracy theorist with the best of 'em, but I really don't believe that the producers deliberately picked Omarosa to fulfill negative stereotypes of African Americans. I think Omarosa just wound up giving the producers far more than they thought they were getting when they cast her. Survivor's full of those types of casting tales - on paper, a contestant seemed one way (quiet or outgoing, exciting or blase) and then, on the island, turned to be a very different character. People who were thought to be "ones to beat/look out for" before the show started turned out to be among the first gone.

Regardless of the tales she spins, Omarosa does have an interesting background - this "from the projects to the White House" story has definite appeal and could be why Entertainment Weekly picked her as one of the finalists before the show aired. Omarosa can be articulate and charming when she chooses to be, and that's probably what the casting folks saw - a self-possessed African American woman who had come a long way from the projects. How could they have possibly foreseen the Omarosa hijinks that happened? They might have caught a whiff of her diva-like behavior and sensed that she would have some personality clashes with others, but to that extent? I doubt it.

If critics want to play the "playing up to negative stereotypes" game, where do you start? Was Bowie, an underperformer, lazy because he was fat? Were Sam, Heidi, and David Gould portrayed as obnoxious (or, in Heidi's case, avowedly "money hungry") because they were Jewish? Was Tammy supposed to be the socially awkward Asian outsider?

C'mon now! As cynical as I am at times, I really don't think the casting folks were that sinister about the choices they made in terms of contestants' ethnicities.



Bollocks. Many of the women - Katrina, Amy, and Heidi as well - wore "bandaid skirts." On occasion, Omarosa looked demure in contrast.

The original press release about the auction was posted yesterday morning in this thread on page 123 HERE, RainIsBeautiful.

Omarosa may have been the most malicious apprentice, but I don't think she was the most "incompetent" apprentice. she had a lot of competition in that area.


Amy also lied. She lied about her rental car idea to Trump in the BR.


Sam fell asleep curled up in the fetal position. That's as slack as you can get...


And that money could have easily fallen out of Kristi's incompetant ass.

I don't think Assy is at all representative of all Black women. Tammy is not representative of all Asian women. And the 3 Heathers, Amy, Katrina & Ereka are not representative of all White women.

Let's face it. Each and every one of the women on this show sucks! I seriously hope all women in business will not be reduced to the pathetic stereotypes of the female Apprentices. Blech!

archer1267, ITA.

Assorama probably came off very well in the initial interviews. It wasn't until a few episodes into the show that I was absolutely certain she had a bitch factor magnified to the nth degree, and it wasn't until last week's episode where she out-right lied to Kwame that I truly believed she was evil. So, the producers probably saw what she wanted them to see. Her inital impression is excellent. It's hard to believe that such a lovely facade could house such a rotten core.

But it does.

Just like the one interviewer told Kwame that he heard it through the grapevine that Kwame wasn't energetic, I had assumed that the reason Norma asked Amy if she'd have a problem hiring women was because she "heard through the grapevine" that Amy brought the last woman to the boardroom instead of the men? Basically, that Amy went after the women to get rid of them all? I don't remember if she brought only women prior to that. It is just speculating on my part, but it's what I thought of right away when that question was asked.

One thing that annoyed me in the Dennis Miller interview of DT was that DT said it was all so real. He said that there were no retakes, "If I flub up a line, that's how it goes in. Not that we have lines." (paraphrase) I wish Dennis Miller would have asked about those intrusive, obvious voiceovers!

As Rachel RSL said, I was joking about why would Amy bother greeting hosts who, after all, weren't men (I should have inserted an eye roll, but I'd had a headache all day and my eyes were too tired; no, I wasn't hit on the head by a chunk of cee-ment). In all seriousness, I can't imagine a valid reason why she would blow off two of the hosts and just rush to her seat; on every talk show I've ever seen (of the ones where the guest is announced and enters on-screen, as opposed to those where they cut back from commercial to find new people in the guest seats a la Dr. Phil), the hosts always rise to greet the guests and they exchange handshakes, hugs, whatever. OK, I just thought of one thing that would make me take a dive for the chair like that, but it involves a monthly female problem, and a large leak problem that one wouldn't want exposed on camera. Other than that, I'm at a loss.

Sure, she got four jobs in DC, at least one of them with the White House, and there's no way she would have landed them if she'd been as outwardly psychotic as she became on the show. Granted, she got fired from all of them, but that was after the bitch came out - same as on the show. That article doesn't hold water.

It's good to see that Mary Mitchell has sparked a good discussion. I believe part of what she said in that they cast Omarosa as the fly in the ointment so to speak, but not because she was black, but because they could see that she was a grating person with a lot of diva-like tendencies, and she would be great for ratings regardless of race. The producers spend a lot of time going over these people and analyzing them, I think that they figured they were getting something like a female Sam, someone who thought more of their leadership abilities than what they actually had, and would annoy the crap out of her teammates. They knew she was just too good to pass up. They don't just do a couple of interviews and say, alright, you're good to go, they make sure that they have people who can bring the drama.



I don't think that you understood what I wrote, it was toungue in cheek about how badly all of the other women also came off in the show. And well Tammy probably negatively impacted any stereotype anyone could have about Asians, thus covering all of the racial groups of women on the show. No need to be so snippy about it.

Choco while you can find one or two of these negative characteristics in most of the players, Omarosa has them all, and that is what she is alluding to.

When Amy got to the couch (and Barbara called her on ignoring her), Amy protested that they had been told not to greet the hosts. I would think that the thinking was that two guests greeting all five hosts would take too long, but it's certainly happened before so it seemed weird that all of a sudden the producers would be against it.

He addresses that in the article from the Star-Ledger I linked upthread ladyveg.

I think it's ridiculous to say Oma was brought back just to sabatoge Kwame. There was no absolute gaurantee he would pick her. More important, they brought back the last six people to be fired for the last challenge. Oma was one of them, therefore she was brought back.

Sheesh. That reminds me of Omarosa having supposedly been told she'd have a private chat with TD when she burst into the BR.

However, it's not ridiculous to speculate that the producers TOLD Kwame to pick Omarosa. They couldn't pay me to believe he chose her before Heidi.

In the latest issue of US magazine, Trump compares Omarosa to Madonna. He says she "has fight in her", and that if she had run Gore's campaign, he would have won. I think Trump likes her.

Oh, this is an excellent interview with George and Carolyn on MSNBC with Deborah Norville.

They said the final task centers on loyalty and inspiring people to work for you. Apparently quite a few of the ex-apprentices were sluggish and resentful. It also has George and Carolyn's opinions of Bill, Kwame, Troy, Amy, Nick, Omarosa and Heidi. Those were funny!

I lurve these two!

I don't buy Amy's excuse at all (she seems to be making more of them lately.... like her excuses about doing the FHM spread - 'we weren't told we'd be wearing lingerie' -yeah, sure) at all. As another poster said, the show has had two guests on before and both greeted all five hosts.

Plus, Nick DID greet the hosts so that, IMO, blows Amy's excuse apart.

As I've said earlier, the more media appearances she makes, the worse she comes off. Girl should probably keep her mouth shut now!

Amy had never been to the Boardroom with a losing team prior to that.
She'd never brought anyone to the firing Boardroom, so that was the only example of her choice they had to go on.

OK, Amy and Nick sat in the middle, right? So they walked past Barbara and Elizabeth to get to their seats. The producer probably told them not to try to greet all of the hosts, meaning: don't go past the couch to greet the hosts over there, then try to climb back over each other to get back to the middle. That would waste time and would look like ass if they actually stumbled into each other, so a comment like that would make some sense. But, I'm sure the producer didn't mean to not greet the two hosts that they would be walking right past on their way to the couch. I'm with Barbara; it's just rude (and silly). But fortunate for us, otherwise we'd probably be discussing Dramarosa.

Agreed. And since Nick DID greet both Elisabeth and Barbara (the first two hosts they had to walk by to get to their seats), it doesn't jive that they were told 'not to greet the hosts'. Again, bad judgment on Amy's part if she interpretated that as 'don't greet any of the hosts'.

That, coupled with her 'bad judgment' re: participating in the FHM lingerie photos, really points to some very poor judgment when she's making independent decisions. Seems she's fine with working within a group as a team, but not so hot when making decisions on her own...not a good quality to have for someone who will head a company.

I can believe this, but she may have misunderstood. Starr and Meredith (the last in the handshake chain) sometimes just get a hello wave. That may be what the producers intended. I just don't see what the motivation would be for Amy to purposefully diss the hosts. Genuine or not, she seems to prefer spinning things in a positive way for appearances sake (Stepford?). Her high road tactics with Katrina don't jive with a childish snub to Barbara Walters. And except for Elizabeth, the women of The View don't exactly threaten her either in looks or professional turf, so I question it being girl-on-girl hate. I might also add that it's sort of a faux pas to point out someone's faux pas (Ms. Walters), particularly during an introduction and if it's a relatively minor infraction. Just sayin'.

Listen Lady, I agree, it's not nice to point out a faux pas as Barbara did...however, given that there's been speculation that one of Amy's downfalls (re: making the finals) was her lack of deference to authority (from working in a young, lateral, no hierarchy industry like dot-coms, and that this probably also came through in her interviews with the four Trumpettes), I'd bet that Barbara picked up on it and said that because of this.

After all, Amy and Nick were going to be asked about why they thought they were fired and Barbara couched her criticism in "Well, your first mistake..." which could lead to discussion of her downfall on the show. Just a thought...

The Morning News

An article that seems to have been overlooked by TWoP posters. The writer, Keith Hollihan, lived in the apartment building in Brooklyn that the Apprentice folks had to rehab. Turns out the whole challenge was a fake--the woman had actually rented the apartment before it was renovated, for a price lower than was stated in the show. The woman received $2,000 worth of furniture for going along with the phony negotiation.

I was enjoying the Apprentice until I read this article. It made me wonder if they'd picked the winner in advance and if all of the challenges were total b.s.

Just saw on "Extra" where Dateline will have a special tomorrow night about the show...including the audition tapes of the Apprentices.

They showed a clip from Amy's audition tape and it was so gag...one scene shows her in a convertible with a date (who looks to be about 20 years older than her) and she says (in that very nasal voice), "Honey, tell them why I should be picked for the Apprentice" and he says "From one CEO to another....". Yuck. The other clips from her tape clearly show that she was already so in love with herself before going on the show.

I'm right there with you. Ever since the Atlantic City episode, I've felt that way. She came across as a clear victim, and Amy became the attacker. Maybe it was because Omarosa was gone.



RainisBeautiful, you couldn't pay me to think he'd pick Heidi over Omarosa. They're both awful in many respects, but I'd take Omarosa's poised and degrading bitchiness over Heidi's trashy, potty-mouthed attitude any day of the week ... especially in the business world.

ACCESS HOLLYWOOD is showing clips of Omarosa with Nick and Jessica and her audition tape.

Yes, Amy seemed extremely ditzy in the audition video.

Here are the individual poses from FHM:

Katrina - looks the best and missed her true calling

Kristi looks too lanky.

Ereka's face looks odd.

Amy looks like a Stepford Wife gone insane.

Today's Boston Herald has an article by columnist Margery Eagan about the FHM spread and whether skimpy underwear paves the way to success in Beantown.

I guess we view the lesser of two evils differently. :)

Just read the Deborah Norville transcript, and I have to say, I love George and Carolyn more than ever. I love how no one seems to know who The Donald will choose -- they seem to think Bill & Kwame are equals.

write gurl, the article was discussed in great detail beginning with this post.

I missed it somehow the first time. If I had been the writer, I would have thrown the breakers at 10:01pm, fuck the production company.

yeahwhatever, thanks for the heads up. I read through the thread looking for posts but obviously missed them.

Re: Amy's FHM photos...I don't remember Amy as having much of a chest on the show. Were these photos retouched, or was she more buxom than I remember? I'm a het female, so I don't spend much time analyzing boobage...



Hee! I work with a milder form of Omarosa in my office (his assigned tasks are somehow beneath him, he delegates everything, has botched up many grants, does nothing and blames it on not having enough staff to help him) and would rather work with someone like Heidi in a heartbeat. As long as someone pulls her weight and is reasonably easy to get along with, I don't care if she talks like a sailor. And if I had a problem with Heidi, I don't think she'd pull that "You're just intimidated by a strong Jewish woman" crap.

If you want to see what BibiBella typed about above regarding Extra, CLICK HERE. Kwame and Bill are also featured. The link takes you to an article and a video.

archer1267, I think she either had a surgical enhancement or extra false boobage plonked into her bra cups. The group photo in FHM really makes her look like she's got something unreal pushing up that which is real. That bra just fits funky somehow.

Kwame's finale party evite.

Thank goodness they didn't do Playboy. That would have been the least classiest choice. Also, Kristi? I know you have a skirt on, but I can still see your underpants. I can see why Amy is trying to backpedal out of it. Bleah.

Oh my. Is that thing genuine? Breadth? Remised? Oh Kwame, Kwame, Kwame. I mean breadth I can accept as a typo. But remised? Dang. I'm ever so disappointed if this evite is real. I can see him being remiss if he "didn't say thanks..." but if he's truly remised then that means he's "relinquished a claim to or surrendered by deed" according to my dictionary. All sorts of things might be read into that.

Word to that. Except for Katrina, the rest look bad, esp. Kristi and Amy.

WORD! I saw that too. Amy was frankly nauseating. I gasped when I saw her doing her Madonna impersonation and singing, "I am a Material Girl" in her most ditzy high-pitched squeal. Good Lord! No wonder the producers "casted" her.

Bill and Kwame's audition tapes were eerily similar. Both looked directly at the camera and spoke about why they would be good.

Sam hired a tour bus and went topless. Blech!

Omarosa put on her tiara and did her beauty queen pageant schtick.

I'm confused...the link for Katrina's FHM solo photo was of a man???

As far as those FHM pics... I can't believe they did that nonsense for free, because that kind of "stuff" will definitely have a price to pay. Nice to know none of them were really serious about making in the corporate world.
I heard Trump comment how it was a bad decision... not to do the photo shoot, just the fact that they did it for free.
He also said they actually encouraged them to take the Playboy offer. Of course, that doesn't surprise me cuz he would LOVE that kind of publicity!

Give me real ladies like Carolyn who respect themselves for their abilities and true talents. She'll still be successful in her career (and life) LONG after these gals are on E's or VH-1's "whatever happened to??"

pitiful.....

Goobaletta I won't be surprised if it's the real thing because the location mentioned is where last week's viewing party was held. Maybe Kwame delegated putting out the Evites to someone else, but even then it still reflects badly on him. Wouldn't he proof it before it went out? That's just a darned shame. Way to make an impression there, dude.

I love that TV Guide interview with Nick - thanks to the poster who linked it. I wonder whether the 2 hour Dateline tomorrow (set your TiVo, folks!) will show more of the Amy to whom Nick alluded in that interview? Nick could be bitter, as evidenced by commenting that Amy's being older than him is one reason things didn't work with them. It's obvious from what we do see that she's completely self-absorbed and she believes that the hype surrounding her is real. But Amy was definitely portrayed as the most level-headed among the women, and I'd love to see a more balanced showing of how she treated her female Protege counterparts.

She definitely has some good old silicone falsies plopped right into her bra. She has what looks to be an A-cup on the show, and a C-cup in the pictures. Add that to retouching, and voila, instant boobage.

Frankly, Kristi's abs frighten me. I saw one pic of her where they looked like a man's washboard.

I think Kristi bears a bit of a resemblence to Greta Van Sustren in those pics -- yeesh.

Talking of Heidi...was she asked to do that shoot as well? Or did they just pick the Heather-y ones. I cannot believe those women could be that stupid. But they were.

On another topic:



This is from the George and Carolyn interview with Deborah Norville. They are talking about the final task. Sure sounds like Kwame could fire Asso if he wanted to...

Someone somewhere has to put down the crack pipe...according to Access Hollywood, Bill is dating Jen Schefft (the "winner" from Bachelor 3 and Andrew Firestone's ex-fiancee). Whaaa? Didn't he get engaged within the last couple of weeks? I'm assuming that he didn't get engaged to Jen. These reality show crossover romances are a little weird for me...yes, I know that "no one else understands the pressure unless they've been there too" but who's next? Blob Guiney and Ereka?!

Well, I guess Bill will set us all straight in just a few days...

IMO, none of the women looked good in their FHM shots.

The only thing I find attractive about Katty are her eyes. The rest of her face looks like Mr. Ed. She's got nice hair, but I don't think the style compliments her looooong features.

Kristi looked like she was going to the bathroom and trying not to touch the toilet seat.

Ereka just looked uncomfortable and had no sex appeal whatsoever.

I thought Amy's makeup was well done, but she looked even more uncomfortable than Ereka.

After seeing the snippets of Amy's audition tape, I understand why they picked her. They figured TD might get lucky since she seems to have a thing for CEO's that are old enough to be her father.

It's pretty clear that only one or two of these people were picked for their brains.

FHM has posted more pics of the Apprentice Heathers along with more detailed interviews: More FHM

Here's a snippet:


Some entertaining quotes from the Heathers:

Katrina says:


Kristi says:


Ereka says:


Look at her ass indeed! That's how the women won Planet Ho' Wood.

And Amy says:


All I can say is Thank God for Carolyn! She is the only decent businesswoman on this show.

Oh my gosh. Those quotes are idiotic. Heidi, Tammy, Jessie, and Omarosa (yea) are lucky they were not asked to or declined to do the layout.

YourDensity, if one red cent of the proceeds went to O, not a chance. But I would be morbidly curious enough to listen to it on the radio.