and:

Even season 2’s ‘Our town’ has a very brief moment where one woman, who works in the chicken factory, hallucinates and sees the head of the town’s latest murder victim (and dinner) stuck on the production line instead of chickens!

From Lili Von Shtupp's first post of this thread:
And futhermore, from where? I watched "Demons" on TNT tonight. In that epiode, she's taken from the den of the Mulders' summer home in Quonochontaug, RI. In "Paper Hearts," written not half a season before, it's the den of their summer home on Martha's Vineyard. In the pilot, she's taken not from a den but her bed. I can forgive retcon when it comes to a pilot, because I can understand not having worked out nine years' worth of plots in advance. But not five months elapsed between the airings of "Paper Hearts" and "Demons." Shouldn't have been too tough to get the two eps to jibe.

Oh wait, I've got another one!
Maggie Scully, at her husband's funeral, in "Beyond the Sea": The Cuban Blockade occurred in October 1962. Melissa Scully, as we know from "Emily," was born in 1963, and Scully was born in 1964. Judging from his size relative to young Scully in the flashbacks in "One Breath" and "Emily," Bill Jr. is older than both of his sisters. (We'll forget Charlie for the moment, since the casting directors always did.) I know it's possible to have babies before you're married, but I'm guessing this is actually more fuzzy history on 1013's part.

Very good catch on the Cuban Blockade - that one flew right by me.

But as for DEMONS, I thought all that was going on was the choice about giving one of them up, not actually the abduction itself.



To be fair, I haven't watched the episode in a while, but I don't remember having the impression that Samantha was taken in the episode, just fought over. And I know it gets all jumbled with Mulder's memories, but I thought that was a reflection of his mental state. I'll have to watch it again...

That's a good explanation. But I'm still left to wonder why the Mulders had two summer homes.

Because "Quonochataug" is more fun to say than "Martha's Vineyard"? ;-)

Also, wasn't there one episode where they address the changing story of Mulder's memory of Samantha's abduction - that it wasn't from her bed as he once thought? Is that in DEMONS, too? Or have I made that up?

I may be entirely missing the point, but in Paper Hearts, Mulder took Roche to the house his father bought after he and Mrs. Mulder divorced in Chilmark on the Vineyard. With the whole argument about liars and the other house in West Tisbury (which is where Mulder and Samantha grew up, correct?) and... where was I going with this exactly?

I had a point...

I don't know if they ever address the change. In the pilot, Mulder tells Scully Samantha was take from her bed. In Conduit, Scully tells Blevins By Little Green Men, we get the scene with the Stratego game and the Watergate trials and Mr. and Mrs. Mulder next door, which is repeated almost exactly in Paper Hearts. Incidentally, in Demons, we do again see images of the Stratego board and Samantha being abducted through the window intermixed with the scenes of the Mulders and CSM arguing, which suggests they all might have occurred the same night in Quonochontuag. But, since they're all Mulder's mixed-up special-K-induced hallucinations, I guess 1013 is safe on this one.

Here's the PAPER HEARTS scene:



But I could still swear a remember an episode where Mulder is all, like, "I know I said she was taken from her bed, Scully, but now I know the real truth! I have the real memories back!"

Maybe I just dreamt it...

I think you just dreamt it. Then again, I effed up the West Tisbury/Chilmark thing, and couldn't ID an episode clip, so I may be off and losing my touch.

not to mention the subconscious reconstructions.

as for the two houses, i thought the parents splitting up was the "key" to that. he finds the alien stilleto in the lamp in one of them following his mother's stroke, which one was that? the vineyard or quonochataug?

Well, in TALITHA CUMI, I found this:


So there's 3 houses: the one in West Tisbury was one his father bought after the divorce, the one where the arguments took place (QUONOCHAUTAUG) and then the house from which Sam was abducted (Chilmark)?

So, does that mean the QUONOCHAUTAUG house was the "real" summer house and that Samantha was abducted from Chilmark, which I'm guessing is in Martha's Vineyard? If so, is the Chilmark house not a summer home, but a "normal" home?

Did anyone else ever have that CD-ROM, X-Files: Unrestricted Access? It had this thing that would pop up show facts every time you turned on your computer. I remember a few of them I'd never heard before, like that Mrs. Mulder said that Mulder suffered from epileptic seizures until the age of 12.

I found that really interesting, what with Samantha being taken when he was 12, etc.

Of course, CC never played with that on the show, and the mytharc and many of the XF Facts from UA fell to the wayside. Or into space.

Am I the only one that wants to send Carter a shirt that says "I fought the future and the future won."??

Oh, yeah! I had that CD-ROM, too! It was one of the first X-Files things I ever bought. Remember how it was supposed to be constantly updated with stuff to always keep you current with the "world of the X-Files!"? Well, um, let's just say "chalk another one up for 'the future'" because the damn thing stopped updating years before the show ended...

Another night of TNT programming, another question from me. Redux was just on, so I figured I'd post a confusion I've had since it first aired.

A brief recap: Mulder kills the DOD guy who's spying on him and takes his phone records. Those records show the DOD spy repeatedly called the PBX oberator at the FBI. Scully calls Holly (the woman whom Pusher made kick Skinner) to find out to whom in the FBI the spy was transferred by the PBX operator. Holly's screen shows the number 0130, which she calls "a branch extension" that could be "anyone at that level." Scully asks if it's Skinner's extension. It is. Scully concludes that Skinner's dirty.

But he's not, and Blevins was the man inside. So what was the deal with the branch extension? Do Blevins and Skinner share a phone number? Were the phone records doctored? Did the spy call Skinner for some reason, perhaps to do with Skinner's deal with CSM to save Scully? Or is Holly still being pushed to screw Skinner?

so, which is the home in which Bill Mulder is murdered? and which is the home to which alien Samantha returns in Colony? neither of them look like the Paper Hearts house nor indeed the Demons house. altho', to me, the Demons house could conceivably be the Talitha Cumi house and also the one where X photographs Teena arguing with CSM.

oh, and, "chalk another one up for the future"? you guys kill me.

Blevins/Skinner extension? i got bupkiss.

I thought Scully asked if Skinner's extension is one of the many that is at that level. Since Holly couldn't link it to a specific #, she answered truthfully that Skinner is on that branch extenstion. As it turned out, so was Blevins' ext.

Well, according to transcripts, in ANASAZI, CSM and Bill Mulder meet at the West Tisbury house and then, later, Mulder meets his father there before he is killed.



And, in COLONY, it appears it's the same West Tisbury House:



And in TALITHA CUMI, we're back in Rhode Island for the confrontation/argument:


It is also at the QUONOCHAUTAUG house that Mulder finds the alien weapon.

So, it appears the house where Samantha was abducted is never revisited in the series, yes? Just the other two? According to CLOSURE, Teena Mulder lives in Greenwich, CT.

From Redux:

So the spy called the PBX operator and got transferred to another operator (the "branch extension") serving the higher-ups like Blevins and Skinner, and that operator then transferred the spy to Blevins? Makes sense, although I don't know why Blevins didn't just give the spy his direct line. Sort of rude, if you ask me. Also, why couldn't Holly trace the calls that far? The whole thing seems over-contrived when you dig too deep. But I suppose that's true of a lot of things on this show. Perhaps I'm overthinking.

this is from memory, but earlier in the ep when M rings to see why his family is trying to get in touch with him, doesn't he say, "Dad, what are you doing at Mom's?"? or is this from another episode? guh-laring mistake if this is the case.

First, can I just give a shout out to the fantabulous X-Files Transcript Site? I can't seem to talk XF without it...(which reminds me, I should copy all those scripts, just in case the site disappears like the OS)

Second, you were so close, Glasgow, but I think 1013 played this one correctly:

tarnation.

or should i be relieved?

and - i know, i love those folks at the transcript site. i once emailed to say thanks. the pdf files are the greatest asset for lonely nights when your video is on the blink. that, and the recaps, natch.

Here's an interesting thing I deduced about the transcript site:

On the actual foldout disc holder in the DVD box sets, there are quotes from the show printed on the packaging. And on the Season Three box, they have a glaring error in the quote from THE BLESSING WAY, saying that it's William SCULLY that comes to Mulder while he's in his dream state. I always wondered how such an obvious error could have been made (I know, I know...haven't I learned anything?). Then one day I happened to be reading the transcript for THE BLESSING WAY at the aforementioned site and, lo and behold, I find this:



So, I concluded that the DVD box production folks used the same transcript site for research and happened to use a transcript that contains an error. I felt like Sherlock Holmes for just a moment...

Or maybe William Scully is Mulder's real father!

Ew.

No, wait. We're still OK, because didn't someone recently suggest the brilliant suggestion that CSM is really Scully's father?

That means Moose and Squirrel are still not brother and sister. Phew! That was close.

Eeeeg! Sounds like that's what happened, all right. Those friggin' hypocritical moochers; remember when they were being all super-strict about shutting down fan sites? (In fact, I seem to recall them actually shutting down a transcript site at one point.) And now they're using a fan-run transcript site to get information (that they really should already have in some form, I would think) to produce official materials? Without even proofreading it? :P See, we do all the work, they get all the glory, man. (Er, not that *I* did any work.)

I remember one April Fool's Day someone posted to alt.tv.x-files saying that Fox had copyrighted the letter X. Of course, it turned out to be a joke, but people kind of believed it for a while, because with the stuff we kept hearing at the time it honestly didn't seem *that* farfetched.

In any case, that's some fine detective work, ejluther. :)

Question: What ever happened to M's degenerative brain disease? Was he cured? Did that get dealt with in Truth I/II? Is there any guarantee that his health will hold out until the final colonisation? What impact would this have on the content/"plot"/timeline of FTF II?

The aliens fixed it while he was their guest. In Three Words, Scully tells him he is 'in perfect health'. Cassandra Spender also says they are great healers in (I think) Season 5 or 6???

The scene from Three Words:

LOLOL! And, exactly.

Seriously, that was one of the most infuriating things that ever happened on the show.

And that, as I am sure you would all agree, is saying A LOT.

As is so often the case on the show, it was the execution and conclusion that was lame, not so much the idea. It made sense for Mulder to have repercussions from his alien DNA brain stuff (much like CSM had side effects) but they "wrapped it up" pretty badly. Why even start it if you're not going to finish it properly?

I think that should go on the next button.

Heh, Crow, I totally remember that scene. The Yikes! was kind of a girly scream, right? ;-)

I agree with ejluther that the idea was good, they just screwed up the execution. Every time I think of Mulder's Mysterious Brain Disease, I think of the "brain cloud" that Tom Hanks is diagnosed with in Joe vs. the Volcano (an absolutely brilliant movie that everyone needs to see). I love how at the end of the movie Joe tells Meg Ryan that he's dying of a brain cloud, and she laughs in his face and says "they told you you had a brain cloud? And you believed it? Didn't you get a second opinion?" Anyway. Guess you had to be there.

I, too, have made the "Brain Cloud" - "Brain Disease" connection! And, yes, JOE VS. THE VOLCANO is quite excellent with lots of great lines that stick in your brain. But I also have friends who hate it, so YMMV.

Back on topic - don't they realize that just one line - ONE LINE!!! - about Mulder hiding his "brain disease" from Scully would have made all the difference. And it didn't even need to be a whole line! Just a:

Mulder: "Scully, I know I should have told you what I was going through, but..."

Scully: (putting her finger to his lips) "Shhhh...no need to worry about that now. You're here. And you're well."

would have done perfectly fine. And the brain disease plotline would have been finished. Over. But OH NO! We have to ignore it or imagine it played off-screen.

I can explain/rationalize almost everything 1013 does story-wise, but the brain-disease thing leaves even me reaching. It did set up THE GIFT, though, an episode I really enjoyed. Maybe they thought it best to ignore it since it went over so poorly with fans...

Me too. Doggett was actually dead for a period of time in that episode, and I was thrilled!

And naked. Don't forget the naked part.
http://www.xfroadrunners.com/epimages/seas...ift/gift195.jpg
Sure, he was covered in some sort of life-giving regurgitation, but he was naked nonetheless...

Wait, I thought Mulder went and had the Indian spirit thing eat him and puke him up to cure the brain disease. Wasn't that the point of that episode? That I haven't watched in a couple of years and have no desire to?

I thought Doggett was the only one (of the regular TXF characters) who was eaten and puked up? Maybe I'm terribly confused, though.

bmills, actually thinking about this was one reason why I brought it up (no pun intended) originally. The way I remember it Mulder sought out the monster-man-spirit-thing in order to visit him and be cured. But then when M saw it and understood that it was becoming all the ailments and suffering that it was taking away from people, he couldn't go through and decided to end its misery instead. And then when the lynch mob were about to truck it away, it came out to save D of its own volition because D had actually shown it some compassion. Am I remembering this correctly?

I do recall that it struck me as a nice piece of foreshadowing about D & M, i.e., that they kinda sorta had the same reaction to the spirit-thing, and therefore were not all that different from each other as people.

Ok, so it wasn't an excercise in subtlety.

Lili, you remember correctly. It was indeed the girly scream.

About the brain disease: Do you guys think it was in character for Mulder to keep it a secret from Scully? There were plenty of things that he never bothered to explain to her while they were investigating cases, but other than his discovery of her frozen ova, no big un-ret-conned secrets jump to mind, health-related or otherwise.

Bumped for DaynaPhile.

And also because The Truth Is Still Out There, people. C'mon, we're not giving up already, are we???

Thanks, Lili, for bumping this thread back into operation. So, here goes...

Just rewatched S1 on DVD...in Genderbender, when the other victims died of heart attacks after sex (is that right? a heart attack?) what made Scully sick instead? Was that just what a little foreplay with one of the Kindred does to you? Man, did she look awful in that scene. From the moment Mulder led her out of the house until she tossed her proverbial cookies she looked like I did for three months straight during each of my pregnancies. Hmmm, was that too early in the season for this look to be real life morning sickness?

http://xfphotos.fredfarm.com/season1/genderbender/cap209.jpg

Wow - she does look like holy hell there! Great cap!

I think it was the pheremones that made her sick. She and not!Amish guy didn't do the deed, so she didn't get the full dose, which led to death in the case of the other victims. I think that's right...

It's definitely too early for real-life morning sickness. Piper's birthday is 9/25/94. Genderbender aired on 1/21/94. I'm not sure what the lead time was on the episodes; does anyone know? How many weeks elapsed between filming and airing? At any rate, counting back forty weeks from late September puts conception around late March. So, not pregnant yet. But a very convincing depiction of illness by GA. Heh.

Annie, I'm not quite following your math... if Piper was born in the ninth month, and gestation is typicall forty weeks (or about ten months), then wouldn't Piper have been conceived back in like... October or November (or possibly December)? I also remember once reading a statement by Gillian in which she talked about finding out she was pregnant, and realizing that back when they'd filmed "Young at Heart," it probably hadn't been too good for her filming the scene where she had to fall backwards. And "Young at Heart" aired 2/11/94.

As for figuring out time between an episode's filming and airing... well, Gillian was back at work ten days after giving birth... so, around 10/5. "One Breath" aired 11/11, and it probably takes about a week for an episode to film, maybe? So, I'd say there's a month between episode filming and airing.

To kinda go along with Dayna's observation, my mom was watching "Genderbender" when Sci-Fi showed it last month... and she called me downstairs to ask me whether or not Gillian Anderson was pregnant. :P

Hooray for this thread!
Speaking of "Genderbender"...that is Nick Lea's first X-file appearance as Random About To Die From Getting it On Guy...which reminded me of something I have been mulling over..

XF tended to re-use the same actors for bit parts, especially while they were still in Vancouver...like the Bleepedy Bleep Sheriff guy, and like random doctor folk...but what's the deal with Darius Michaud? When he reappeared as as Supah Soljah in Season 9 I was like "Holy Crap! It's Darius Michaud! The dude who blew himself up in FTF so that the FEMA offices and the evidence in them would be destroyed!"-ok, well I sorta said something along those lines in my head. But then...it's never mentioned...that it's the same guy. I mean, was it supposed to be the same guy? Or were we supposed to forget?? Was it just another case of re-casting???But with a more major character???? Because that's jacked up.

We've discussed this a lot around here and a lot of people think he's an entirely different character. I, on the other hand, think he is the same. I think they left it that way (he's not give a name for a reason, after all) on purpose.

Either way, it is, IMHO, lame. If it's not supposed to be the same guy--then that was a dumb move--irresponsible, especially since it was a mytharc episode, and dude--you move to LA with the world's biggest talent pool and you... recast? And if it was supposed to be the same guy, then... the hell? A little hint, maybe? God!

Sorry. Had to get that off my chest.

I still think there was a hint when Scully was like, "Who are you?!", like she almost knew him or something. Anyway, I'm probably close to alone in that. Still, is the only thing that makes people not think it's him is because they didn't tell us/Scully didn't recognize him? Or do folks think it wouldn't fit in with the mytharc? (Wouldn't fit with the mytharc?!? I know...I know...I'm a funny guy!)

FWIW, I do know that CC and/or FS said they really liked the actor and that's why they liked to use him repeatedly...

Well, he is a Yooper, and who doesn't love a Yooper? But seriously, if that's the case, then they should have cast him as Doctor #4 or Dad #2 in a ton of MOTW eps. But mytharc eps?

Oh well. Their prerogative. When I get my own show, I won't recast anyone.

He's a what now?