Why is there so much shark jumpage on teen shows during the transition after high school graduation? I'll go over what I can remember:

Beverly Hills, 90210: The only thing I remember from that show was the whole "Donna Martin, graduate!" chant. After that, I think I stopped watching and/or caring. Discussion on this thread brought up that EVERYONE has to end up at the same college or near each other.

Buffy, the Vampire Slayer: Season four was after Graduation, and, although I wouldn't call it shark jumping, there was a decrease in quality. The writers lost what, to them, was a huge reason for the success of Buffy: the demons as metaphors for issues in high school schtick. I liked how they tried to extend that to the frosh experience with first day apprehensions, roomies from hell, the beer experience (in retrospect, I don't think Beer bad was that bad), and longer arcs of the scuzzy boyfriend (Parker), the sexual experimentation, and the splintering of the Scoobies. Eventually (after a year), the writers were bored with the college issures or they chose to deal with larger adult issues or they spent time hammering in the long-term arc into the viewer. High school really was where the series shone. Was it the college-ness of it all that caused the decrease in quality? When I think of it, I do think that Buffy's adjustment into adulthood was well done (I think I am even fine with Buffy becoming more of a bitch in later seasons as just a progression of her character), but what was missing was ... the fun innocence? I don't know. The redefinition of a few characters/relationships definitely hurt the show a little, ie. I thought Gilles was best as Buffy's proper watcher.

Shows I don't/didn't watch: Dawson's Creek, Gilmore Girls. How did(are) they do(ing)? I know they had to shift the locale and it seems to me that it would be hard to have to go from one scene in Boston to [insert the Creek's town name here] or wherever else. Also, it seems that they have to keep inventing reasons for Rory to see her mom again (I picked these up from various media, so I might be wrong).

So, is it because the show is forced to change its identity/characters/relationships so much that it isn't the same product as what the viewers initially fell in love with? Or is that just when the characters/writers/actors start finding it harder to keep interest, ie. would Buffy's season 4 be as great as seasons 2 and 3 if it were set in high school for another year? What are examples where the transition was well done?

I'm writing this post because I watch Everwood and The O.C. and I'm dreading/fearing that the magic will be gone once they leave high school.

Oh, God, yes. The Road Master was bad enough, but the whole "we have to vote someone out" thing totally ruined the show. I would totally get back on board with it if Bunim and Murray stopped taking hits off of their massive bong and realized what a bullshit idea it was.

As much as I don't like the "Survivor" twist of RR either, I wish it had been around during the MV season bc the entire cast bugged me, except Masada. It might have meant getting Holly or James off my tv quicker that season.

The Simpsons used to have not just storylines, but also was like a 3 part play.

I watched some of the older episodes, and it really hits you how badly the show has deteriorated over the years. Thank goodness for the funny on Futurama and Family Guy (still watching reruns so am not sure if the current shows exist/are as funny)

Actually, I heard that Fox is bringing back The Family Guy sometime next season (I think).
As for shows jumping the shark...

Frasier jumped after Daphne and Niles got together and they disguised Jane Leeves' real-life pregnancy by saying that Daphne was a food addict and while she was on maternity leave, they shipped Daphne off to a spa. Miraculously, when she returned a few weeks later, she somehow managed to drop like a hundred pounds.

Friends: I still watch it (after all, I have put in 10 years, might as well hang on until the end). I think it jumped when Rachel got pregnant and Ross was the father. Blech. I never liked Ross. Rachel must have been pretty drunk to hook up with him again.

Will and Grace: I stopped watching when I realized that the true title of the show is Jack and Karen.

And even though this is the cheeziest show (I loved it when I was a kid), I have to mention it: Who's the Boss?. Jumped when Tony and Angela acted as guardians to some brat named Billy. At that point Sam and Jonathan had to take a back seat while their respective biological parents fretted over the grandson of one of Tony's neighbours in the Bronx.

I could mention more, but maybe I'll continue my list another day. :)

I'm with those that think Buffy jumped after The Gift. While I do believe that S1-S3 were definitely better than the rest, S4 and S5 didn't jump. There were too many shows that were just so damn good (Hush in S4, The Body in S5). Plus, the general dynamic between all the characters was still there. Yes, they were growing up and changing, but I do not see that as Jumping the Shark, merely adapting to their new lives.

Flat out, the show should have stopped after The Gift. Yes, we would have to live without Once More with Feeling (which I did like), but if it meant not having to endure S6 and S7, and most of all Spuffy, I would do it. The characters became horrible and shrewish - every last one of them. The last two seasons were just so depressing for me. I couldn't watch. It's sad when a great show doesn't know when to end.

I've recently been watching old tapes of Boy Meets World and I realized that this happened in that show. It seemed like after the first season in college, they just ran out of ideas.

Especially since Feeney actually followed them to college. WTF?! He doesn't see enough of these kids living next door to Corey?

Has Cheech Marin reached Ted McGinley status, if not I want to elect him the new Ted McGinley?

See: this week's Judging Amy for proof.

Shows that jumped the shark:

Family Matters: When Urkel got popular. People used to say that I looked like Urkel & it pisses me off to this day. I never liked Steve Urkel & I personally wish that he gets doused with paint thinner. I also hate Waldo Geraldo Faldo. What an F---in bastard he is. He needs to be pistolwhipped. This show really makes me sick. As a matter of fact, this tripe jumped the shark since the day that it camed on the air.

Full House: This piece of crap jump the shark on so many levels. Stupid, ADD, & illiterate Olsen Twins, Stephanie gets older, Awwwww....... every freakin episode, etc. Need I say more?!

Martin: Jumped the shark when Gina started not appearing on episodes due to the sexual harassment case or she was doing her role in another scene. C'mon give me a break, they were married, it's not plausible for her not be around her "husband".That was so unrealistic, sad, and dumb.

The Parent'Hood: Jumped the shark from day one. Whoever was writing the show, more than likely Robert Townsend, was horrible at it.He would jack plots from The Cosby Show, Martin, and any other black show on tv.For instance, on one episode, teen daughter Zaria and her friends wanted to try out for a music video but they had to wear trampy clothing and shake their booty to be on it. Similar to when Vanessa and her friends put on those trashy outfits and sung "do the locomotion". Also, he had a flashback scene in every episode, where he said a line and imagined some ridiculous thing..on every damn episode.

Family Matters:Jumped the shark when every other episode was about Urkel vs. Stephon and Jaleel White started getting too old to be that nerdy so Urkel was no longer convincing.

Arrested Development: Jumped the shark Sunday and is still as brilliant as ever. Hee. (For non-watchers: Henry Winkler's character Barry jumped over a shark. And why aren't you watching??)

That didn't even come to mind for me! Low-key humor is what makes AD such a great show. And probably why more don't watch it.

"The Parent Hood" was never a great show. It was always a D-grade "Cosby" rip-off, with one buffoon thrown in for good measure. Even with that crapfest, though, when the oldest son left and they brought in Streetwise Teen to Rehabilitate, they were officially chum.

I'm sure the son left on his own accord; he was one of the few decent actors on the show. OK - one of two - the mom wasn't bad, but I never liked that character's attitude.

For a while there I could see Fonzie heading through the town square of Stars Hollow (GG), but it appears he's headed back to Milwaukee for the moment.

The balance between Rory at Yale and Rory at home has improved dramatically - her visits to SH are more organic than they were in S4.

Friends seemed to jump the shark multiple times, like it couldn't help coming back for more. I would say that it first jumped the shark after Monica and Chandler were found out in season 5. There had been some fun and excitment in the secrecy plot, but after that, the interest was gone and the show was never the same again. The increasing Monica/Chandler dynamic decreased the Joey/Chandler dynamic, which had been one of the cores of the show in its early seasons. When Chandler moved across the hall, it made the separation more stark and permanent. Meanwhile, Ross was going through a character assasination with his third divorce.

The show jumped the shark again after the proposal, because Monica became a bridezilla and a full blown harpy in season 7, so that even though I liked/tolerated Mondler before, I was truly appalled and rooting for Chandler to run away from the wedding and never come back. The show made a slight rebound in quality during season 8, but jumped the shark again with the Joey/Rachel plot, because Friends had now turned into a melodramatic soap opera. By that time, the other characters had been thoroughly ruined too--Joey getting horrifically dumb, Rachel and Ross getting really whiny and boring, and Phoebe getting cynical and bitchy. The writers forgot why these people were ever friends in the first place, and why the audience cared about them. Even the plots were more ridiculous, and the jokes were more tasteless and juvenile. It was limping toward its finale the whole way, and should have been cancelled seasons ago, at one of its earlier shark jumping moments.

Due South jumped when Paul Haggis left and the network wouldn't pay enough to keep David Marciano. First off, Paul Haggis is a great show builder/maintainer and his light touch makes a show satire instead of ridiculous slapstick (I'm looking at you season 3).

Also, the chemistry between RayV and Fraser was real and enjoyable. You could really see that these two guys could be friends. I tried to like RayK when he came but just couldn't due to the awful writing and lack of the buddy dynamic I had felt with RayV. I hear that they tried to cram RayK into stories they'd already written for RayV and that's the problem but it stunk either way.

Another thing was the character assassination. Fraser stopped being delightfully Canadian(smart in a different way) and just became a dumb hick. Frannie became a nymphomaniac. Welsh became an archetype not a person and they brought in Dewey. I watched up until <i>Mountie on the Bounty</i> but when it descended into fart jokes and Fraser punching RayK I stopped cold.

Daria:Tom appears.
ER:Mark dies.
Malcolm In The Middle: Jamie is born.
King Of The Hill: The 1,000th time they use the "Bobby gets interested in something Hank thinks is unmanly" plot.

Desperate Housewives has already jumped the shark for me, at least for this season. After a great premiere and a few episodes thereafter, the characters all went down hill and the plot got too complicated, with threads dropped and never picked up again. Lynnette started out as a somewhat sympathetic harried mother, now she's a horrible harpy. Susan seemed a little dumb, but then she went retarded, and Gabby became a horrid bitch. Only Bree holds any interest for me anymore, and it is waning.

Sex and the City jumped when all the girls got into relationships. Sure, that was probably the natural ending for the show, but they didn't have to play it out over three seasons.

Had I known how bad the show would eventually get, I would have been happy if Buffy had ended with Oz saying 'Let's just take a moment. We survived high school.' Plus the musical episode with the mayor would've been freaking awesome. The fourth season had some really good episodes, but the cohesiveness was gone. And after the fourth season, all the things I loved about the show, the humor, the metaphors for life and relationships, went away and never returned. The writers lost their ability to produce a season-long bad guy, or any bad guy really, that was actually frightening or interesting, the characters I'd loved so much became alienated pods of their former selves, and the snappy dialogue was gone.

90210 was jumped when Shannen Doherty left. And then again when Tiffani Theissan left.

Friends died for me with the introduction of Emily. She was the Scrappy Doo and the Cousin Oliver. After the Rachel wedding vows fiasco, Ross went from sweet sap to angry basket case. The Chandler and Monica thing was funny in London, when they were kind of embarrassed and weren't sure where it was going. When they got back and it was clear they really liked each other, all the sneaking around was stupid.

What I've noticed that when the show jumps, there is some key person to attach it to.

Angel has Connor. I was so confused as to why they added Connor and then brought him back until they revealed a season later that it was to bring Jasmine to Earth. Ok, I can KINDA give it to them but Connor was such an annoying asshole that I wanted HIM sent to the bottom of the ocean for the hiatus. Another candiate, Spike. Once Spike showed up the show appeared to be less dramatic but more comedic.

Buffy has her bratty sister Dawn. What the FUCK were they thinking adding Dawn? Yes, she was foreshadowed in Season 3 and so was Buffy's death but Dawn was such a bitch and even after she found out she was the key she was even more annoying. Plus, Season 7 wanted to pretend that Dawn was a Slayer potental and even had that episode where she had a Xander and Willow. The only way they could have fixed the show would have been if they had Dawn kill herself at the end of Season 5 to save Buffy.

Charmed has Cole. With the appearence of Cole, the show had gone from Charmed to OMG IT'S PHOEBE, SHES SO HAWT PHOEBE PHOEBE PHOEBE show. It was Phoebe this and Phoebe that. Yes, you might complain that it was the Prue show before hand but at least Prue wasn't spending her time lying to her sisters and off with a half demonic man. And with the Cole bullshit, they killed off Prue and that's when the show no longer was Charmed. (Don't forget that we got the Assy Nymphs and fairy creatures as well)

Daria was a very witty show until Tom showed up. He was alright with Jane but then he dumped her and got with Daria completely destroying the Jane-Daria dynamic and destorying Daria's character as well. The series finale gets props for finally getting rid of Tom and leaving the ending open that Jane and Daria would be able to hang out again.

Now I love Farscape and I always loved Chiana and Zhaan. However, once Zhaan was killed off, I was worried. Then they added Jool which made me more worried. Good thing that Jool had a nice dymanic with Chiana and Chiana still had somewhat of a story line. But! Then came Sikozu! Once on screen, she managed to absorb ALL of Chaina's original storyline (the Nebari, the rebels...) and even had fucking superpowers like walking on walls and that explody light thing. Also, this was around the point when the show became JOHN/AERYN not John/Aeryn And Castmates. Also, Cleavage Braza and Wrinkles (Norantu) are possible candiates for being the new character to summon the Jumping Shark.

I was always on the fence about Gilmore Girls but once Digger showed up, I can't stand this show anymore. He tried to go against his father which ended up hurting Richard's company as well and once Loreali was finally with Luke Digger's around to mess things up. I haven't watched the season lately so it's very possible that it's changed. Jess and Dean might have played roles as well but I kinda missed the season Dean was introduced.

Married with Children jumped with the DREAM season! The actress for Peggy was pregnant so it was written into the show but then she had a miscarriage so the producers decided to make the season a dream instead of writing in a child. Ugh and then after that was Seven's arrival. Even though they kicked him off within the season and gave small references that he was there it was never the same again...

Roswell started going downhill with Tess. Seriously. The show was never the same after her.

Friends - around season 6-ish. Joey got went from slow to retarded. Phoebe went from weird to crazy. Monica went from endearing to psychotic and obsessive. Chandler went from sarcastic and witty to gooey and romantic. Ross went from nervous and sweet to bitter and annoying. Rachel went from ditzy to painfully indecisive. It was a bad Spanish soap those last few years.

Seinfeld - Last 2 seasons. The laugh track became tacked on. There was way too much going on and only interjections of conversations about "nothing". Usually 4 storylines involving each of the characters that intersected in some way at the end -- not funny.

Frasier - Actually long before Niles and Daphne got together. Somewhere in the middle of the show's run, it became repetitive and predictable. One big misunderstanding that caused humiliation to Frasier, who then made his meek tight-lipped face as credits rolled.

The Simpsons - I'd say season 37. Or maybe 40. No really, it's been on too long and hasn't been funny since 1997. Almost all shows peak and descend. But rarely do they actually bore into the ground due to their banality.

You know, it takes one piss-poor memory to give the exact same shark jump from the exact same show that you'd already posted previously. I have a piss-poor memory.

I pretty much lost interest in Friends as soon as Monica uttered the phrase "Shark Porn". That was beyond idiotic.

Yeah, waaaay before that for me. I think the definitive "The shark, she has jumped" moment was Rachel's pregnancy. After that it became like "Didn't I JUST see this storyline today on Passions?"

Yep, when you start asking this question it's pretty clear the shark, he has been jumped.

God, yes. I've tried to watch the Tara King eps but I can't do it without crying.

7th heaven the musical- geeh

That show jumps the shark every week. I don't think it was ever on the other side of the poor fish. It started in the pilot when Mary wanted Matt to kiss her and continues to this day with Lucy giving birth in an elevator and Simon asking his non-doctor older brother to prescribe brith control pills and being refused because that will teach the little sinner to stop having sex.

Whoops

House: the entry of Vogler as the Big Bad and Cameron's crush on House. The writing's bad, people start worrying about who's gonna get fired, and the whole thing becomes a freaking melodrama. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

I actually thought that Seinfeld still had some funny episodes in it's 8th season, but the last season was truly painful. I will say the show was definitely completely different in it's final seasons. There was less talking and more broad physical humor. I actually attribute the time of the change with the changing of Elaine's hairdo. The show was so meticulous about continuity up until that point and all of the sudden one of the main characters has a big physical change. Something also changed with the lighting or something. It all of the sudden was much brighter. All in all, the final 3 seasons had just such a different tone that it just didn't resemble the same show it was, but to me it didn't truly jump until the last season.

Frasier: I'm very disappointed with the last season, but I think the jumping began, as many others have suggested, with Niles and Daphne getting together. The Niles/Frasier interaction was diminished and nohting really came in its place. As soon as she hooked up with Niles, Witty Daphne became Docile Daphne. Her job seems to be to smile and be a good girlfriend/wife to Niles. She has no personality and gets no good lines. She just is there. The fat plot was sad, and the character never seemed to recover. In a way, they made Roz the new Daphne, who got the wittier lines and more screen time, but it just didn't work.

What I was even more disappointed with was the loss of the psychology of the show. There were some really good, deep eps in earlier seasons, and I feel like it ended with the Halloween episode where Daphne was Elton John etc. Frasier had to face his lack of skills in organizing a fun party and his jealousy to Niles. It was a well-made episode, but somewhere after that they started with stuff like "Martin eats Niles' marijuana brownie". The plots just became clichéd and dull.

BlackCorduroy>> I agree on Seinfeld to some extent. The storylines definitely became less cohesive and the plot twists sometimes seemed just stupid, whereas they used to be so stupid they were funny. But I think there were still some good moments and lots of truly funny stuff - the Voice, the Comeback, the Merv Griffin Show, etc. To me, the show never jumped the shark. Or if it did- maybe it was in the Finale.

dearandgp>> I always thought that, as you suggested, if Northen Exposure had been continued, it might have gone back to quality - maybe not awesome, but good. The theatre episode was good, and I liked the finale too. Michelle Capra was a good character, I thought, but sadly the new doctor was pretty lame. And I wasn't a big fan of Maggie+Chris. It just seemed forced. But they could have pulled it off, because most characters were really good and multi-dimensional.

WHAT? I thought I'd seen every ep from the first season, but damn! I guess it's off to the recaps for me.

Yeah, baby. These Camden women have an obsession with getting Matt closer to their intimate parts. Remember when Lucy didn't want her own husband to assist her in giving birth, and insisted that her not-quite-a-doctor brother help?

Topic: Seinfeld jumped the shark for me with Susan's death. I know they were supposed to be callous, superficial people, but that was a really serious event and they reacted the same way as they did to everything else. I refused to watch it after that.

That's what a lot of people say about Sabrina, the Teenage Witch, that it jumped the shark when she graduated from high school and went off to college (around the time that the show moved from ABC to The WB.)

The more that I think about it, though, I think that the show improved when Sabrina went to college. During the series' last year on ABC, the writers had essentially run out of ideas - they'd spent the first three seasons having Sabrina develop her powers, but once she obtained her Witches' License they didn't really seem to know what to do with her anymore.

The network change helped remedy all that. Now that Sabrina was in college, the show began tackling more mature topics like racism, cults, and prejudice. All of the characters were greatly developed, and the show as a whole matured SO much (even though it was never as funny as it was on ABC.)

That being said, I think that the show jumped the shark at the beginning of the last season when Caroline Rhea and Beth Broderick (who played Sabrina's Aunts) left the show, and Sabrina graduated from college and took on a job at a magazine. The whole premise had pretty much fallen apart at that point. Melissa Joan Hart also seemed to have given up on the show at that point - she began doing these enormous takes and generally looked like she didn't care anymore.

I think high school shows always face that problem sooner or later. High school takes three years, so if you want more than three seasons, you gotta make something up. And it's often pretty sad. BH 90210, which was mentioned upthread, is a classic example: after high school they all went to state school, then all stayed in LA, living in their college apartments, the parents left, the kids had the house and people kept moving in and out..It was just really forced after that.

How does a show jump the shark after it's over?

Well, it was a two-part finale. So if it jumped the shark in the first part, it was still -eh..sharky?..- in the second part. It's possible. After all, a finale comes before the show ends, not after it.

Roseanne the entire last season, when they were rich and then it turned out that Roseanne had dreamed the whole thing. Terrible.

If not for about three good episodes in Season 5, I would say that Angel jumped the shark when Connor left. Connor was part of a very interesting storyline in Season 3 and was also part of the major storyline for Season 4, which was arguably the best season of the show. When he left, the quality of the show dropped dramatically. Indeed, I think two of the three best episodes since he left were the two episodes in which he made return appearances (the other one was "Smile Time").

For me, a key element in shark jumping is when the writers decide the audience loves a quirky supporting player and starts playing to the quirk.

Kramer skidding in on Seinfeld, Jack's coffee house thingy in the hall on Will & Grace, and of course Karen's drinking and doping on the same show; the way everyone in Cicily suddenly seemed to be unbelievably cultured, well-read and philosophical on Northern Exposure (the thing that finally totally stopped me from watching anymore was when the doctor's assistant was seen at home playing Bach on a Bechstein grand piano). Larry, Darryl and Darryl on Newhart, Wilson on Home Improvement. I could keep going but that's my theory, that the writers get lazy and think we love secondary characters so much we can't get enough of them. Oh, but we can.

Any show with kids in prominent roles is in trouble eventually because kids grow up. Shows that revolve around the family theme almost always go for the hail mary of adding a new child; adoption, surprise pregnancy, whatever it takes to put a new adorable moppet onscreen. It hardly ever works. One of the saddest shark jumps of all was when The Andy Griffith Show became Mayberry RFD; not only a new moppet but a new dad, too.

I know I'm probably evil and wrong for saying it, but I don't think Angel was ever good enough to jump. I watched every episode because there were things in the show that were good (some characters that I liked, some storylines that were cool, an occasional "Hell yeah" moment,and so on), but there were only a few episodes that I liked as a whole. Kind of frustrating to see the potential for a good show going to waste.

"Numfar! Do the dance of annoyance!"

I think it was even earlier than that. The show jumped the shark when Barney was replaced by Warren.

For sure the skis were on the motorcycle boots when that happened. Some fans say it all went to hell when the show started filming in color. I guess I was thinking more of the point where the corpse of the once vital show was dragged out of the casket and propped up in a chair.

Great screen name, btw!

GooberPyle:

No, I think it was even earlier than that - when Goober replaced Gomer.

Sorry, GooberPyle, I couldn't resist once I saw your screen name. Truth be told, I liked
Goober better than Gomer.

sofa addicted



Didn't that co-incide with Don Knotts leaving, though? I can't remember any Barney episodes in color.

Orion7



But didn't the show really hit its apex when the two of them were on the show together, and Gomer would goad Goober into doing his Cary Grant impression to impress the chicks? It may be that the show jumped the shark when Gomer was replaced by Howard Sprague.

Ditto on:

X-Files: The show is DD and GA. What is the point in going on without DD? Idiots.
Simpsons: I think it was 2003. Ever since I have been like, "What the F*** is this about? Makes. No. Sense. What. So. Ever.
Friends: Several times - Ross calls out Rachel's name at this wedding and they though get together. Ross and Rachel get married in Las Vegas and don't stay together. Ross knocks Rachel up and it takes 2 damn seasons to get together. Joey and Rachel, WTF?
Will & Grace: Two seasons ago I was like, "What the F*** is up with Will? Why is he so angry? Such a harpy? Grace, even dumber and needier than usual. Karen? STFU! And Jack, STFU!"
Living Single: Kim Fields left. What is the point in continuing?
ER: After Julia Marguiles left, it was like what is the point of watching? Every major character, save Carter, is gone. Carter couldn't carry the show for me.
Mad About You: How the F*** is Paul going to get mad at Jamie for kissing/almost kissing another guy when he did the same thing? Hypocritical ass!
Family Matters: About halfway through if not sooner. Probably at the point most people realized he is too old to be such a loser.
Martin: After about 2 season, Martin's schtick was grating. I kept screaming at the TV, "CALM THE F*** DOWN! WHY YOU HAVE TO BE SO OVER THE TOP? GINA SHOULD LEAVE YOUR ASS!"
Married with Children: Seven. Enough said.

New:
Girlfriends: Brock. Enough said.
My Wife and Kids: DW starts acting like he is on Martin. And Jr. gets a chick preggers.
Scrubs: Why JD and Eliott broke up the last time. Asses.

Wait, let me get this straight. Can a show suck ass every episode but still jump the shark?

I thought Martin was a pretty funny show. I still watch the reruns on TV1, but only when a Golden Girls rerun isn't on (because GG is funnier.) I'm not sure what the exact season was, but I think Martin jumped the shark when he lost his job at the radio station and then Gina was no longer in episodes with him.

Friends definitely JTS with the Rachel and Joey thing. It was really good up until then, but afterwards...

Syone26, I totally agree with you about My Wife and Kids. I'm so glad that America's Next Top Model comes on Wednesdays at 8 so I don't have to be subjected to watching this idiotic show. But seriously, looking back on it...was it ever any good?

cinaminsweet281, I though the first half of the first season was good. Then it started on a steady decline to Martinville. DW just wouldn't tell a joke, get the laugh and move on. No he to drag joke out and make faces and jump around and just annoy the hell of out me. I kept watching hoping it would get back to Cosbyville. Never happened. Then once they pernmanently relocated to Martinville, Jr got some chick pregnant. DW explained it by saying teen pregnancy is a reality so they put it on the show. Yeah, it may be a reality but I ain't watching a sitcom for reality plus it just seemed out of place.

Clubber Lang, IMO, Martin was good in the beginning. It was Must See TV in my house. Then it went to shucking and jiving all the damn time and I was like, "Gotta go."

syone26 there was a funny comment on the whole Simpsons JTS situation over at the Shows that go down in a Blaze of Glory thread.

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