I think this must go in the season 9 thread – it’s the DNA test in ‘William’ once more:
No, actually we don’t know that. What we do know is that Mulder and Jeffrey Spender have the same father (because of their matching DNA/Y chromosomes). I’m with Glasgow on this one – their father could have been Bill Mulder.

As for ejluther’s theory that CSM is William’s father and made Scully pregnant in ‘En Ami’ – (a very, very disturbing theory!) – and the possibility that William had CSM’s DNA. I may remember this wrong, but they didn’t test William at all did they? They don’t know anything about his biology/genes/DNA/chromosomes (father/mother, human/alien)?

I looked for a date in ‘En Ami’ to see if I could find out when it took place – but neither Scully’s newspaper nor Mulder’s e-mail had any date references. I found only air dates for the episodes: ‘En Ami’ was aired in Mars 2000 and William’s birth in ‘Existence’ aired in May 2001 – 14 months later!
So, I mean, really! It couldn’t be – could it????

Well, we never saw a test or heard about a test but there was enough "your baby's fine" crap thrown around that I like to think they were run, proving Mulder the father and the baby fine. The "question" remaining seemed to be "how" she got pregnant and not "who".

And, as LiveBait and Glasgow pointed out, the DNA evidence could work the opposite way, that Bill Mulder was the father of Jeffrey and Mulder. I guess one would have to compare Jeffrey/Mulder's DNA with CSM and Bill Mulder's to answer that one.

As far as EN AMI airing and the passing of time, I realize that there's really no way there was enough time to have CSM impregnating Scully in the episode. But I do think the viewers were intended to suspect that CSM returned her fertility because two episodes later comes the sentimental favorite for fertilization: all things. As for there being 14 "actual" months between EN AMI and EXISTENCE, remember that, in the XF world, the summer break never happens. WITHIN picked up the day after REQUEIM ended. Still, even with the break not happening, it would be way too long for Scully to be pregnant. I just think it was an interesting possibility. Of course, CSM could have used slow-acting, alien-altered delayed sperm...okay, I'll stop now.

I actually like to think of all things as being the beginning of a lifelong series of fertilization attempts.

So, check this out:
http://www.50centhat.com/

Click on the item for "The X-Files Season 9 DVD" and see two edits; one that recaps Season 9 and one that recaps all 9 seasons, quite well, I might add. Apparently, this is the website for the company/editor who does the "The Truth Behind Season..." documentaries and this will be on the Season 9 DVD set...

Given the penchant of folks on this board to call Chris Carter "Asshat", am I the only one tickled by the fact that a hat is featured so prominently at this website?

Is Fox totally going to skip releasing season nine on DVD or what? I mean, by now they should've already announced it. Maybe they're trying to pretend it never happened. Hey, just like me!

No, Season 9 is coming. There was a Season 9 DVD flyer in my Season 8 box and it will be out in May. They've released 2 DVD sets a year, one in May and one in November, starting with Season One. And if you look at the post above yours you'll see a link to some of the Season 9 DVD materials...

Well, I just got my season 8 DVDs, but I'm really warring with myself over whether or not I want season 9. There is very little I'm eager to see in S8, and I want to see S9 even less. Although... if I have the first 8 seasons, shouldn't I just get 9? And how can I not have the series finale on DVD? Ack! Why did it have to suck so much there at the end?

I stopped with S7, but if you have S8 you might as well spring for S9 as well. Having trouble making up your mind?

Con: Not much Scully, even less Skinner, even less Mulder. The LGs die. Moronica. The Burtisode. And of course, the general crappiness.

Pro: Well. Um. Give me a minute. I suppose Doggett wears a white T-shirt in an epy or two?

Mmmm...Doggett. I'm bored, so let's make a list and let the episode guide help us:

[*] Doggett in a trach tube. [4D]
[*] Doggett with Polish sausage in his face [4D].
[*] "Señor un zapato." [John Doe]
[*] Doggett being hit by a van. [Providence/Provenance]
[*] Doggett almost pulling the plug on Moronica (well, we can't have everything). [Audrey Pauley]
[*] Doggett in a cop uniform. [Underneath]
[*] "Scahed yet" and the match of manliness [Scary monsters]
[*] Crying Doggett [Release]

I know you people like to pretend S8 and S9 never happened, but when you do so, you're pretending that Doggett never happened and that's PLAIN WRONG. And the love that dares not speak its name!!! Are you capable of doing that to our precious Waltah?

I personally am not investing in the S9 or S8 DVDs (even though I also feel the need to have "The Truth" on DVD). Unfortunately, the whole pro-Doggett argument doesn't work in my case because I like M & S together a lot more than I like Just!Doggett (and Moronica, while I try my damndest to ignore her, is still there).

In fact...I found that I don't really like Doggett all that much. But that's probably just me. So I think that I'll just end up adding S3 to my collection instead.

And don't forget "dazed, confused, nearly drowned - but most important - shirtless Doggett" from NOTHING IMPORTANT HAPPENED TODAY II

And just because it deserves a second mention, broken, bloody, unshaven, dirty, bittersweetly happy Doggett from JOHN DOE

Ah, the Doggett moments I hadn't really considered. Crappy writing be damned! The "scahed yet"/match mo' is completely worth all of the $.

Found this:


http://www.thedigitalbits.com/rumormill.html

I wonder why they're waiting until November and not the usual May release schedule?

ETA: Here is a link to a pic of the Season 9 DVD set box and disc art - from what I can see, there are two discs of Bonus Materials - hooray! Go here and scroll to the bottom to find the link:

http://www.davisdvd.com/images/covers/gallery_w.html

Season 9 may have been the Black Hole of X-Filedom (in that it really, really sucked), but that cover art is wicked, wicked cool. I can dig it!

Very cool. I like that they even-handed the image of RP and GA, with David and Annabeth off-center at the top.

Is it overly picky of me to be annoyed that they used a reverse image of that final cuddle on the bed for disc 5?

Hmm, didn't noticed that it was reversed. I was actually just happy it was there.

an even bigger shot:

http://www.dvdanswers.com/index.php?r=0&s=...=3400&n=1&burl=

good eye on the reversal shot - i wonder why they did that?

Sorry, edited due to intense stupidity

Well, it looks like Season 9 WILL be released in May, as the usual schedule suggested:

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?N...ID=1179&Nav=Yes

Some interesting things of note :
a suggested retail price of $99.98 (i'm quite sure the MSRP on the other sets was $149 or so. I've never paid much over $80 for any of my other 8 sets, though, thanks to discounters on the internet)

"The Truth" commentary by Kim Manners - as pointed out by RDJisAOK on the Season 8 thread - most likely a waste. We'll hear things like, "Fans were looking forward to David's return. So were we." and "The mytharc of the show is complicated and hard to follow, but makes sense in its own way." and "I wanted the camera in the right place to actually film the actors' faces." Oh, boy. Still, I may be wrong.

"The Making of 'The Truth'" (90 minutes) - that's as long as the show itself. Might be interesting. Might not.

Brad Follmer (part one 1:50, part two 2:34, part three 5:00): A three-part profile of Brad Follmer? Add those times up and I bet it's more than his entire on-screen time during Season 9!

Cake Cutting (5:00) Yay! http://www.xfroadrunners.com/200thepisode/big3_1.jpg

On location (15:00) Could bloopers show up here? That would be quite awesome. But I imagine then it would be called "on the set" or something. I fear the bloopers may never see the official light of day...

Secrets of the X-Files (45 minutes)
More Secrets of the X-Files (45 Minutes)
Weren't these shown on FOX at points where original episodes were not available to run?

Tribute to the X-Files (20 Minutes) By whom, I wonder...

I read that and threw up a little in my own mouth.

Ah, good times.

Aw, one of those self-congratulating Look how great we are! And famous. Also, rich. things.

I love those!

If "More Secrets of the X-Files" is subtitled "Frontal Male Nudity and Full Penetration" then I'll buy it.

Yeah, but it's the kind of sense that's not. (It's always fun when you can throw Buffy lines around.)

If you just want “the Truth” from season 9: they have released it alone on a DVD in Europe.

But I don’t know how helpful that is for you, it all depends on where you live. Apart from the DVD region coding – and you can always get by that - there’s also the PAL/NTSC TV-systems. And, if I understand it correctly, it’s easy for the European PAL system users to watch DVD’s with American NTSC system – but it doesn’t work the other way?

Found this over on another XF board, thought it was interesting in respect to Mulder seeing "dead" people...

So, I've been reminiscing lately and reading Jessica's recaps for the hilarity and can I just say how "William" peeved me off. I know there are a million rationalizations for it but Scully would NEVER give her kid up. She's been wailing about how she'll never be a mother for the previous umpteen seasons and the baby was ( or may have been. whatever.) sired by her "perfect other" and various other reasons. If there is another move (crosses fingers and toes and various other appendages) I ask for two things, they better get their kid back and there better be some saucy R rated special agent sex, ON SCREEN, FULLY LIT or at least dimly lit, with Mark Snow rocking some piano of agents in love. This is coming from love people. I just bought season seven and eight in a tax return related frenzy and I have rent to pay!

I totally agree, Corikins.

ETA that it really is a shame that CC lost touch with his characters so badly that he couldn't even bother to write a story line that made sense. The way I figure, not only would Scully never have given up William, but Mulder never would have just left the two of them.
I probably wouldn't be thinking about it too much, but I also have been reading some of the (always snarkilicious) S9 recaps. Mad props to Jessica.

I've always thought Scully giving William up did make sense - she knew that the nefarious forces she's up against would never leave him alone. yes, it was a huge sacrifice, but that was the point. it was right in line with Saint Scully, I thought. don't forget that she also said she would "let" emily die.



Besides, she thinks Mulder is dead, right? why put the only thing left of "them" in constant danger? and, injection or not, he would always be in danger.

my problems with the storyline come with not exploring the issue with Doggett or Reyes deeper. Doggett LOST his son. Reyes is ADOPTED herself. they might have had things to say about the subject. well, maybe reyes did - she certainly seemed to want scully to keep william, she just never directly mentioned how she was adopted.

And a little more evidence that the adoption tracks were covered well would have been nice.

For me, I had more of an issue with the fact that Scully constantly put William in danger. The whole season was pretty much Scully either leaving William with her mom to run off on X-Files cases that she shouldn't have even been involved in or letting strangers into her apartment and in close proximity to her son.

To be honest, I didn't like that she gave William up either, but I wasn't surprised. What did shock (and utterly infuriate me) was when it was revealed that Skinner wound up telling Mulder about the "adoption". And offscreen to boot!

Ooo! Maybe the movie will be entirely composed of scenes like that one that we didn't get to see!

You know what bugs me the most? The name: William. Could it BE any more boring? How many Williams does that make in the family tree?

He should have been given a name of his own. Like... Archibald. "Baldy" for short.

Maybe not Archibald. But something that fourtyeight ancestors haven't already worn out. There must be a million other names to choose from. And Scully picks "William"? Poor girl has no imagination.

It's sort of like the badfics where M&S's kids are always named Fox Jr., Dana, Katherine, Melissa and or Samantha.

Heh - CC and Co. had as little imagination as girlfan fic writers.

Love.It.

Perhaps we should be glad they didn't call the kid Chris, eh..?

Hmm, if Baldy had been the kid's nickname, Mulder would really have been wondering about Skinner's involvement : P.

Come to think of it, Bill Scully, Jr., and his wife must have had a girl, or I'm sure they would have snapped up the opportunity to make Bill III. Hey, is li'l William's last name Scully? If so, maybe he's Bill III.

Didn't Bill Jr. have a boy? Matthew, I think?

No, it didn't make sense for Scully to give William away. She knows from personal experience that their enemies never give up. Where could William be safer than with one of the handful of people in the entire world who actually understand the degree of danger he's under? As portrayed in the episodes, of course, Scully came across as a pretty ineffectual guardian, but that doesn't mean William would be safer with anyone less consciencious. That was a writing flaw rather than a logical flaw, and William should have stayed with her. But then again, I always thought it was an idiotic idea to bring a baby on to the show, and as a viewer, I was relieved when William was farmed out, even if it didn't make a lot of sense.

Gosh dang it! Why don't I check insidethex.co.uk before every single post? Yes, Matthew is the name of Bill Jr.'s child. Wonder why he didn't continue the rampant Williaming.

I agree that William probably wasn't much safer with the farm family than with Scully, although I guess if Scully had kept him, he would have been subject not only to his own persecution, but also the residual persecution of his parents. In any case, it probably made Mulder suspicious that William had been hit by a car and then euthanized by the vet when Skinner (grumble) told him, "We sent William away to live on a farm, where he can run and play with the other boys!"

It's finally finished.

I especially like the disc 3rd down from the right. Eeeeee!!

(Edited because I don't know how to code properly)

God, I'm going to end up buying this, and it's going to be just like my season 8's, in that I'll end up watching one disk over and over and the rest will collect dust.

I just started re-reading Jessica recaps of season nine, and I realized something — It really was as bad as I remember.

Notice how low the price is on Amazon. This time the price on North American DVD isn't much lower. I might just go with Amazon this time around.

Yeah, I'll get it - I'm that anal.

*hides in corner - must have complete set, must have complete set...*

I haven't bought S8 yet. I'll be purchasing these in the distant future when I have REALLY disposable income.

Dare I say it, but I've been watching a few of these eps in the TNT evening run the last week or so and I like them (or, rather, the ones I liked before I still like). I'm a sucker for RP, though, so I'm not looking for the S9s to hit specific XF-quality targets, although I do think he did some damn good work there.

That said, WTF, man? They still have the reverse cuddle image on the DVD...

I am SO going home and asking my man for a "reverse cuddle."

I boycotted season 9 the first time around, but TNT and Sci-Fi have gotten my sleep schedule so out of whack that I'm up until 3 am anyway, so I've been watching the episodes for the first time this week. I was surprised to find John Doe actually interesting, until my husband pointed out that it was written by Vince Gilligan. My overall impression of the mytharc eps is that they show technical proficiency but are as a whole intrinsically dull. Oh, someone has broken into Scully's apartment again and is trying to abduct William. Scully is quietly distraught. Kersh is shifty. Supersoldiers are resilient. Mulder might be dead (again). Eh.

I don't know if this was pointed out back in the day, but wouldn't it have taken William a while to get complete control of his telekinesis? Babies can't use their hands well enough to bring a spoon to their mouths, but somehow this kid can spin a spaceship shard on a metaphorical dime above his head. It would have been more interesting, had 1013 had time to allow William to grow up, to show him developing the telekinesis. First objects around Scully's apartment would spazz around or crash to the floor, and Scully would have no idea why. Then, slowly and in tandem with William's motor control, his telekinetic powers would gain more accuracy. Just a thought.

Excellent point. After nine years, I'll give them that it would be a little more difficult to make the Scully'sinjeopardy!Again! scenario new and interesting, but I'm holding to the fact that they should have shifted focus... not to new characters, (or entirely new plots--at the expense of ignorning others--hello mytharc! still bitter!) but to William, to past plot points that they never, EVER resolved, etc.

Good point about William's development, too.

Well, to be fair, PROVIDENCE/PROVEDANCE did address the African spaceship and how its message seems to have been meant for Scully. I'm still not entirely sure what it all means but it was a look back at past elements of the mytharc.

True, but it also involved cults and super soldiers and William's desitny and Canada. Also, it made no fucking sense.

Yes! I mean, "No!" Amen, sister-friend.