Help - Search - Members - Calendar
Full Version: The Old Commercial Thread
TWoP Forums > Other TV Shows > TV Potluck > Commercials
Pages: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 106, 107, 108, 109, 110, 111, 112, 113, 114, 115, 116, 117, 118, 119, 120, 121, 122, 123, 124, 125, 126, 127, 128, 129, 130, 131, 132, 133, 134, 135, 136, 137, 138, 139, 140, 141, 142, 143, 144, 145, 146, 147, 148, 149, 150, 151, 152, 153, 154, 155, 156, 157, 158, 159, 160, 161, 162, 163, 164, 165, 166, 167, 168, 169, 170, 171, 172, 173, 174, 175, 176, 177, 178, 179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186, 187, 188, 189, 190, 191, 192, 193, 194, 195, 196, 197, 198, 199, 200, 201, 202, 203, 204, 205, 206, 207, 208, 209, 210, 211, 212, 213, 214, 215, 216, 217, 218, 219, 220, 221, 222, 223, 224, 225, 226, 227, 228, 229, 230, 231, 232, 233, 234, 235, 236, 237, 238, 239, 240, 241, 242, 243, 244, 245, 246, 247, 248, 249, 250, 251, 252, 253, 254, 255, 256, 257, 258, 259, 260, 261, 262, 263, 264, 265, 266, 267, 268, 269, 270, 271, 272, 273, 274, 275, 276, 277, 278, 279, 280, 281, 282, 283, 284, 285, 286, 287, 288, 289, 290, 291, 292, 293, 294, 295, 296, 297, 298, 299, 300, 301, 302, 303, 304, 305, 306, 307, 308, 309, 310, 311, 312, 313, 314, 315, 316, 317, 318, 319, 320, 321, 322, 323, 324, 325, 326, 327, 328, 329, 330, 331, 332, 333, 334, 335, 336, 337, 338, 339, 340, 341, 342, 343, 344, 345, 346, 347, 348, 349, 350, 351, 352, 353, 354, 355, 356, 357, 358, 359, 360, 361, 362, 363, 364, 365, 366, 367, 368, 369, 370, 371, 372, 373, 374, 375, 376, 377, 378, 379, 380, 381, 382, 383, 384, 385, 386, 387, 388, 389, 390, 391, 392, 393, 394, 395, 396, 397, 398, 399, 400, 401, 402, 403, 404, 405, 406, 407, 408, 409, 410, 411, 412, 413, 414, 415, 416, 417, 418, 419, 420, 421, 422, 423, 424, 425, 426, 427, 428, 429, 430, 431, 432, 433, 434, 435, 436, 437, 438, 439, 440, 441, 442, 443, 444, 445, 446, 447, 448, 449, 450, 451, 452, 453, 454, 455, 456, 457, 458, 459, 460, 461, 462, 463, 464, 465, 466, 467, 468, 469, 470, 471, 472, 473, 474, 475, 476, 477, 478, 479, 480, 481, 482, 483, 484, 485, 486, 487, 488, 489, 490, 491, 492, 493, 494, 495, 496, 497, 498, 499, 500, 501, 502, 503, 504, 505, 506, 507, 508, 509, 510, 511, 512, 513, 514, 515, 516, 517, 518, 519, 520, 521, 522, 523, 524, 525, 526, 527, 528, 529, 530, 531, 532, 533, 534, 535
glstx
All I want to know is when did the Adkin's Revolution become gospel? Didn't Adkins die last year? Why do we now have to live by the low carb/no carb rules?


I know. I hate this too.. everywhere you look, low carb. Even Jello is touting themselves as low carb. But, remember a few years ago when everything was low-fat or no-fat. Didn't matter about the nutrition, as long as it was low fat. Same song, new verse. It'll pass when the next big thing comes along. I'm voting for "fat is in!"

I saw the commerical last night with the GE water people. I hated it with a passion. I think it had to do with the fact that the commerical was so serious, then when the guy pulls out the little fish net thing and uses it on his buddy, the whole serious concept goes out the window. Hated it.
Freshly Ground Coffee
McCain's Fries. Gobbledegook. Spoken by creepy Grocery Store Sample Pimp. Mom tries them. She speaks Gobbledegook and gives them to her tot. Now the tot speaks Gobbledegook, or maybe Gibberish. Must buy McCain's Fries to understand how good they are.

no. You can't make me.
Stardancer2001
I really like the commercial with Wayne Brady for CoffeeMate??, where he does a takeoff on "Say a Little Prayer". He needs his own comedy series.


Wayne can sing to me every morning......
Stardancer2001
oopsie...........
culturevulture73
There's an ad for Cottonelle bath tissue with a puppy.


Get out of my head, chris2, I was just going to show up today to post on how that commercial annoys me...

I finally also saw the Lassie as Neo ad. Verrry strange but I did like it.
steering fish
The baby's voice is the same voice as the Cottonelle dog.


And for some reason, that baby looks really weird to me. Maybe it's that lock of hair in the middle of its forehead.

And why do people in commercials shower in front of their dogs? Ick.
Jamoche
chris2, you may not have seen it because it spanned two pages, but you double-posted.

Saw the Snuggles pool-boy bear - ewww.

Well, sure.  Just like the truck, there are features for him and features for her!

Damn, nearly choked on that one. I should know better to eat and read this thread at the same time.
DramaQueenLite
I hate Extra gum, for three reasons:
  • It used to have that incredibly catchy and annoying song, "Extra extra extra long time!"
  • It gives me gas.
  • The new commercial features a piece of gum that jumps out of an airplane along with a parachutist. It babbles on for a while about how nobody can escape its extra long flavor, but the worst thing is that it's speaking in a fake Scotish accent.
So not only is it Stalker Gum ("Clay Aiken tested, Clay Aiken approved!"), it's Stalker Gum with a bad accent.
Shelwood
So not only is it Stalker Gum

Hee. I smell Compilation CD! "Extra Lovin: Songs to Stalk By", brought to you by Extra. Featuring "Invisible", "You Oughta Know", "Every Breath You Take".

And "Crossroads".
chbarr
The [Cottonelle] dog's voice sounds like Michael J. Fox, but it isn't him


IIRC, that woudl be Zach Braff, of "Scrubs" fame.
devajd
McCain's Fries. Gobbledegook.


I have been saying for years that that the McCain advertising agency must have some REALLY compromising pictures of McCain executives locked in a vault somewhere, because ALL the McCain commercials suck. Big time. I think the one I hate the most is the one where they play music on the concentrated juice glasses with some fiddle on the side, though the naked french-fry eaters are a close second. Gah.
Sunday Moon
I don't know if this is a local commercial but has anyone seen the commercial for BathFitters? The one where the lady looks at her tub and emits a sub-human scream when she sees the mold and all the other gunk in it? I HATE that commercial. I swear my cat's ears perk up when he hears her shriek. And really...when was the last time she was in the tub that she's just noticing all this now? It takes a while for all that crap to accumulate.
Poodle Hat
I was coming here to post about the Extra Cinnamon gum. Why a scottish accent? Am I missing something?

I was telling my mom about the most hated ads here. So all evening as we were watching TV, she'd ask "What do they say about this one?" Even vicarious snark is fun!
Lucky Bishop
I always wondered about him going to the store himself, FfrauleinN , but I figured he lived nearby or in a small town. I live in a town of 5000 and you often see 7, 8, 9 year olds on their bikes. It's still a time warp often times. Anyway, as far as doing the picture by himself, there is a store employee there and he tells her "I want to make this bigger." She makes it a 5x7 or 8x10 and she says "That should be big enough." The kid? "Bigger". Hee.


Me, I'm just glad that granny played baseball and wasn't a '40s-vintage stag film star. Gives the line where he asks if grandma can still do that a whole new meaning.

I have an almost irrational love for the Advair Pug (squeeee! so cute!) but like others, find the demanding, slightly menacing "Go" voiceover seriously creepy. I usually hit the mute button and enjoy the pug.


We have a pug. Frankly, they're not that active. Ours would go about six steps from the front door and then lie down in the street for a nap.

However, as both a pug owner and someone with asthma, I think the use of a pug for an asthma medication is brilliant. Have you heard one of these things breathe?
Mistral
That baby with the curl in the middle of his head in the Johnson's commercial looks so fake it's scary. Dude, I know the baby's fake - do you have to make it so obvious?

And my reaction to the GE Water Music commercial is that I wish it were that easy to fix somebody who isn't playing well in a concert. I know a certain first horn player who'd have nets poked into him from all over the stage!
hagreene80
Watson's Pool Girl is a coke head.


Word. I went to Ball State my senior year of high school and part of my freshman year of college and had TWO classes with her.

She went up to the professor after one class and started crying about how she can't afford to let her grades slip or she could lose her job. Ok...sweetie, your stepfather OWNS the facility and your Dad helps run it (how odd...)

Did I mention she now has a degree in telecommunications?
FfrauleinN
ChinkyGirl, you are like my memory twin too. That is so scary; I think of the same ad whenever I hear "Stuck in the Middle With You." What was that even for? Laundry detergent? Comfy panties?

The guy who does the voice for the Cottonelle dog and the Johnson's baby lotion sounds more like Bruce Willis to me. And no, it's not cute. It wasn't cute in "Look Who's Talking" and it sure as hell ain't cute now.

Hee. I smell Compilation CD! "Extra Lovin: Songs to Stalk By", brought to you by Extra. Featuring "Invisible", "You Oughta Know", "Every Breath You Take".

And "Crossroads".
Shelwood? For that, you die. :) It's just too damn funny. Seriously, why is the gum Scottish now? I don't get it. I mean, I can understand spaghetti sauce being Italian or something, but ... Scottish gum? Eh?
samsnee
If anyone lives in the NY Tri-state area, I'm sure they've seen the commercials for "your local Mercedes Benz Tri-state dealer". God I hate these. There's one where a yuppie couple is recklessly speeding to get to the airport on time, only to find out they went to JFK when they should have LaGuardia. And an even more annoying one where two kids look outside, see there's a foot of snow outside, get excited b/c there won't be any snow, and then the dad comes in and says "Five minutes guys". I guess the commercial means that as long as your car can make it through the snow, school is open. Forget the fact that schools close if school buses can't make it, not your damn car. Can you tell I really despise these commercials?
phxchic
Seriously, why is the gum Scottish now?

Perhaps it's made from pitch from the mighty Scotch pine!
charlieboo
ITA about the Mercedes ad with the snow. It also bugs me when the dad sticks his head in the room and says "5 minutes guys". Um, they're still in PJs, Dad. Haven't had breakfast yet. This is information they could have used 30 MINUTES AGO! (/Adam Sandler voice).

But, I do really like the airport mix-up ad. I travel alot for work and go out of both airports, and I always check my itinerary like 15 times to see where I leave from and make sure Mr. Boo knows where to meet me when I get home! I can totally see this happening to us one day (not in a Mercedes, of course).

I hate the Mercedes ad with the guy getting the massage on the street. It just bugs me that he would leave the girl sitting in the car while he does this, plus he looks like a total dork sitting in the middle of the sidewalk.
kswat
Speaking of voiceovers, am I crazy or is Sarah Jessica Parker shilling for the GM OnStar hot button contest? It sounds so much like her--but its throwing me off because she doesn't seem like the "car commercial" type.
KimberleeJean
If anyone lives in the NY Tri-state area, I'm sure they've seen the commercials for "your local Mercedes Benz Tri-state dealer". God I hate these. There's one where a yuppie couple is recklessly speeding to get to the airport on time, only to find out they went to JFK when they should have LaGuardia.


Check and double check. I hate this, mostly because I have to drive those roads (looking at you Grand Central, et al!) and people make those massive "I'm gonna cut over, like, ten lanes of traffic without even signalling" moves all the time. Have you ever had a brain-scream? This happens. So I hate the commercial and hate even more the tiny little "we do not condone this type of driving" disclaimer....yeah...right...then why are you advertising that your car can do this?

Sorry about my rant, its just driving in NYC is hard enough without these type of people, thankyouverymuch. Plus, we all know there is no way he is getting on his plane at LaGuardia with what I assume to be ten minutes left.

Or maybe I am just angry because I have to go dig my car out of the snow for the third time this month..sigh. Stupid snow.
Shem the Penman
As a former New Yorker, I find the GE Water Music commercial bitterly amusing -- the state government and the EPA have been fighting in court for years to make GE take some of the responsibility for cleaning up the toxic crap they dumped in the Hudson River. It's like seeing a commercial from KFC bragging about how healthy their food is. Oh, wait...
samsnee
and hate even more the tiny little "we do not condone this type of driving" disclaimer....yeah...right...then why are you advertising that your car can do this?


Word.

I hate the Mercedes ad with the guy getting the massage on the street. It just bugs me that he would leave the girl sitting in the car while he does this, plus he looks like a total dork sitting in the middle of the sidewalk.


I actually like this ad, if only b/c it makes me want to get a massage.

I saw the new Pepsi ad on Access Hollywood last night with Britney, Beyonce, and Pink in a Gladiator rip-off singing We Will Rock You. $100 says Britney thinks the Rolling Stones sang the original* How I wish that tiger would come out and just eat them all already.

*For those who don't know, when asked why she did a cover of "I love Rock'n'Roll" Miss Britney replied "I just love Pat Benetar."
charlieboo
people make those massive "I'm gonna cut over, like, ten lanes of traffic without even signalling" moves all the time.


KimberleeJean, was that you? (/Ralph Kramden voice) I didn't realize you've seen me driving. I do usually try to signal though, or at least wave my hand frantically out the window! ;)

Speaking of OnStar (we were, weren't we?), can anyone explain that fakakta (sp?) commercial with the Hummer on the boat? I get the part about "off-road" (ha-ha, very funny), but why does Regis pop up when she pushes the OnStar button? Is this really a feature you can get? 'Cause I might actaully pay for OnStar if I can have Regis bring me a cocktail anytime I want one. Oh, and who is the girl? She seems a bit, how can I say this, manly to me.
ChinkyGirl
ChinkyGirl, you are like my memory twin too. That is so scary; I think of the same ad whenever I hear "Stuck in the Middle With You." What was that even for? Laundry detergent? Comfy panties?

Heh. Memory twins and nose twins! Couldn't possibly be comfy panties - they were showing thongs for God's sake! I was thinking either Tide or an alternative to "The look, the feel of cotton" ads. Who knows? Can anyone confirm?

Oh, since there seems to be quite a few NYC people here at this very page, I thought I'd bring up the commercial for the NY Quit-Smoking Hotline, or whatever the hell it's called. It features this annoying lady singing "You made me love you...I didn't wanna do it, I didn't wanna do it..." in a voice that can only be described as comparable to the Gladware "Mike Ditka is MAD!" lady.

Seriously - it bugs the shit outta me. How is that supposed to stop someone from smoking? I bet if you called that hotline, that very song will be playing when you're on hold, which would probably drive someone to hang up and smoke some more.
PlayItGeorge
Now I am sure you have all seen the Orbitz ads with the funny little puppet people. Have you noticed in one, where they show the employee at the Orbitz HQ at his desk area, there's a radar screen with the black search line circling around it? If you look closely the radar screen is really just a pizza. I think it's cute.
kswat
Seriously - it bugs the shit outta me. How is that supposed to stop someone from smoking? I bet if you called that hotline, that very song will be playing when you're on hold, which would probably drive someone to hang up and smoke some more.



Too true. I find that alot of those anti-smoking ads make me want to smoke (I quit a month ago)--especially the one with "I used to smoke in the car (picture of car), on the phone (phone ringing), in the garage (picture of garage), etc". Well Jesus, that's where I liked to smoke too, and seeing those just start my cravings up-stop it!

The worst I've ever seen though was a NarcAnon spot they're showing here in VT. It shows freebasing going on, pipes being lit, joints being lit. Now I've never done the hard stuff, but if I was trying to quit, I think seeing a commercial with paraphernalia being used over and over and over again, I would want to start up again. I gotta laugh at the hypocrisy.
KimberleeJean
charlieboo, frantic waving works for me! Some sort of signal that I gotta watch out! I think part of my fear comes from my driving a tiny little Saturn with big SUV's zooming around me. I got stuck behind a Hummer on the Jackie Robinson (aka Interborough) the other day and I couldn't pass it...it took up two lanes! One planet down, indeed...

Which beings me to
but why does Regis pop up when she pushes the OnStar button?


Well, he was on his way to hawk jury duty, of course!
FfrauleinN
Seriously - it bugs the shit outta me. How is that supposed to stop someone from smoking?
Dude, if she sounds anything like the shrill Gladware lady, I think I might start smoking to make her shut up.

Oh, and who is the girl? She seems a bit, how can I say this, manly to me.
I know she's a model, but her name escapes me at the moment. I think she's one of the Victoria's Secret ladies. Maybe her overly large upper lip is casting a shadow that makes her appear mustached?
Strawberryblonde
Let me guess: we get to hear about terrorists or something.


From the whitehouse? Nah, it'll probably be about terr-ists.

The one where the lady looks at her tub and emits a sub-human scream when she sees the mold and all the other gunk in it?


Oh, sorry. That was probably me. I have that reaction everytime I see mold or other tub/sink gunk. Even if it's on TV. I have to look away from some ads so I don't totally freak out. *shudder*
Poodle Hat
Now I am sure you have all seen the Orbitz ads with the funny little puppet people.


Didn't those puppet things used to be in a kid's show? They were something like Mission Impossible secret agents. Or am I hallucinating again?
ubi
I know. I hate this too.. everywhere you look, low carb. Even Jello is touting themselves as low carb. But, remember a few years ago when everything was low-fat or no-fat. Didn't matter about the nutrition, as long as it was low fat. Same song, new verse. It'll pass when the next big thing comes along. I'm voting for "fat is in!"

Count me in as well. Remember when the previous big thing before "low fat" was "high fiber"?

I was coming here to post about the Extra Cinnamon gum. Why a scottish accent? Am I missing something?

The only thing I can remotely think of is that if the flavor lasts a long time, you don't have to buy a lot of it, and since the stereotypical Scottsman is a skinflint, that's why the gum speaks like a Scottsman. Yeah, it's reaching.
ChinkyGirl
About the Orbitz ads: Yup...they're actually a reincarnation of the Thunderbirds. It's been debated amongst me and my friends, but I'm pretty sure that it's them.
Poodle Hat
Thanks, ChinkyGirl. I'm pretty sure you're right.
naugastyle
Couldn't possibly be comfy panties - they were showing thongs for God's sake! I was thinking either Tide or an alternative to "The look, the feel of cotton" ads. Who knows? Can anyone confirm?

I'm fairly certain the commercial was for comfy panties. The thongs were shown for contrast.
formergr
From the whitehouse? Nah, it'll probably be about terr-ists.

Hee, thanks for validating my feelings of rage on this, Strawberryblonde!
add_duck
But, I do really like the airport mix-up ad. I travel alot for work and go out of both airports, and I always check my itinerary like 15 times to see where I leave from and make sure Mr. Boo knows where to meet me when I get home! I can totally see this happening to us one day

I could see it happening if they didn't have the part where the guy is saying "Turn here! I'm at Terminal 4!"

1) He's got his ittinerary out to check which terminal he's flying out of but doesn't notice that he's at the wrong flippin' airport?

2) The terminals at LaGuardia are lettered, not numbered. So he should have noticed that something was wrong.

Ah, pedantry and over-thinking the commercials. I love TWoP!
Decormaven
For whoever originally posted on the passing of Ann Miller (former movie star who appeared in a Campbell Soup ad), there was a very fine re-broadcast of a 1997 Robert Osborne interview with her on Turner Classic Movies this a.m. You might want to check the TCM site to see if they will show it again. She was one classy lady, and the clips from her MGM musicals were wonderful.
Edited to add: in reviewing a bio of Miller, I see that the ad (where she dances on top of a giant soup can), was actually for Heinz Soup, not Campbell's. The image still lingers, even if the product logo doesn't!
archbrow
I can't believe you all posted about the Watson's girl! I was just feeling the hate for her the other day, but I didn't post about it because I figured those commercials were a local Indianapolis thing. Little did I know!

Hate! My brother used to hang out in the same Indy social scene as she, and he has, on his refrigerator, a hilarious picture of her, drunk off her ass at some party and looking like a coked-out zombie whore. He says he's going to keep it until his daughter is a teenager so he can show it to her as a warning to say no to drugs. Hee!

Has anyone seen the commercial for the men's body spray (can't think of the name) where some guy sprays it on his chest, a mosquito then sucks his blood, the mosquito is eaten by a frog, frog is promptly shown doing it with another frog, frogs are caught and the legs are served up to a grody old man, old man spots young mamacita who promptly lusts on him, cut to a hotel room with old man being thrown down on the bed and staring orgasmically up at the camera, cut to old man's grave, close-up on the ground, and two worms emerge from the dirt and curl into a heart shape?

Weirdest commercial ever. I loved it for its weirdness and hated it for its grossness. I can't sort out my reaction. I need input from y'all.
Sleestak Hunter
The little kid in the chef's hat & glasses pimping Smart & Final stores ("Get smaaahhhhrt!")?

Not. Cute. Shut. Up.
charlieboo
I could see it happening if they didn't have the part where the guy is saying "Turn here! I'm at Terminal 4!"


I think he was just looking for his airline. So American might fly from Terminal 4 at JFK, and Terminal B at LaGuardia, but if you just knew you were flying American, you would just look for the sign with that airline posted.

The part that used to seem odd to me is when the skycap says "Welcome to JFK" and he says "No, LaGuardia!", like he knew all the time. Although, maybe he just glanced at his itinerary at that moment to check his flight number. I actually do travel like that and never quite know when/where I am supposed to be. I think the more you travel, the worse you get at it! I almost missed an international flight once 'cause I had 8:30 in my head, thinking that was when I had to leave the house (for a later flight). It was just by accident that I glanced at the itinerary at 7:30 and realized the flight left at 8:30!! Luckily it was before 9/11 and I live close to the airport and just made it.

I would mention that I'm overly obsessing about this ad, but I believe being a TWop Couch Potato would make that redundant
VaVaVoom
don't know if this is a local commercial but has anyone seen the commercial for BathFitters? The one where the lady looks at her tub and emits a sub-human scream when she sees the mold and all the other gunk in it?


I hate this commercial. That bathtub is just disgusting! And really, who's going to let the scum in their bathtub get that out of control? Taht black shit is just so over the top.
jennifuh
Oh man. You guys just had to go and make me google the Watson's pool girl since we don't get those commercials in Chicago (and believe me I'm heartbroken). Famewhore much? And nice booty pics linked to your family's company website.
FfrauleinN
Ew. She's got pornface.
formergr
Oh, wow. Being a Chicago girl myself, I was also wondering what all this was about. I didn't even think to google her, thanks jennifuh! That is just so bad.
If you are considering Jennifer to represent your company or organization or to hire her for promotions, E-mail here. *Note: Jennifer does not necessarily read or write back to your E-mails.
Well nevermind then.
chris2
The Orbitz puppets always make me think of the "Go Lords" puppets on SNL. I keep waiting for the girl puppets to strip off their shirts and wave.
senor coconut
and he swears Dodges have only a three-year lifetime

From waaay back...It's true! Both Dodges died at the three year mark. Pieces of shit.
ChinkyGirl
LOL...thanks for sharing! Hmm..Watson's Pool Girl reminds me of Reese Witherspoon in some of those pics.

Extra disgusted by the pic of her legs spread, with the sign that says "No Wading or Swimming" right by her hoo-hoo...uh, wha?!
cynicat x
The part that used to seem odd to me is when the skycap says "Welcome to JFK" and he says "No, LaGuardia!", like he knew all the time

This ad was discussed before (more than 15 pages or 15 days ago so no worries). When it was brought up then, I totally related to getting screwed up and going to the wrong airport since I've done that before. (yeah, I'm an idiot). Then I had this delayed reaction where I thought: "when the hell has the skycap ever cheerfully opened my car door and said welcome"? They're nice enough, but get real...

Extra disgusted by the pic of her legs spread, with the sign that says "No Wading or Swimming" right by her hoo-hoo...uh, wha?!

Was the hoo hoo glittery and hemi-powered?
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.
Invision Power Board © 2001-2009 Invision Power Services, Inc.