pellenaka
Dec 31, 2003 @ 7:25 pm
Oh, I loved that article especially since he said something specific. (22 ep. my ass...).
And, of course
the cold-hearted Brit Julian Sark (David Anders)
oh it's good to see it in writing.
Happy New Year when it reaches you. Here's to much more Sark in 2004.
LinaBo
Dec 31, 2003 @ 7:49 pm
I finally contributed to the
latest PC. Sark... and Lena! (Not in the same pic, sorry=P)
cyberducks
Dec 31, 2003 @ 9:23 pm
Happy New Years! all you lovely Haremites! Hope your celebration will be/was classier than mine will be. Since I hail from the westcoast I am still trying to rest up for our annual festivities, which consist of the RLBF's cousins(who double as best buds)coming over - and a couple of my girlfriends for female support, bringing lots of booze. Then there will be snacks without any nutrional value and snarking to crappy tv and loads of really loud music. Let's hope this year nobody gets sick to their stomach before the ball drops. New Year's Day I will be falling out of bed around noon and make an immediate resolution to never consume alcohol again and to become a vegan. This resolution will probably be broken the same day.
Cheers to everybody and let's hope for plenty of Sarkie in 2004!
aurora
Dec 31, 2003 @ 9:33 pm
Classier? Oh, no. I completely forgot it was New Year's Eve. I'm going to watch some MSCL and eat a pint of Ben & Jerry's froyo.
More OT - Dude, Mnemo. Howie Day? Looove. Kicking myself for not enjoying the experience last weekend. (Although RLBF and I are sticking by our observation that his hair looks like he stuck his finger in a light socket.)
Sark is hot. Happy New Year, chilruns.
Mnemosyne
Dec 31, 2003 @ 10:18 pm
I'm glad to hear it about Howie Day,
aurora. He is SO good, and his music is perfect for Alias and/or Sarkney.
Have you read Auburn's scenelettes for season 3
Yes I have,
WynterWolf, and I like her take a great deal too. Let's hope JJ's ideas for Sark are as good as Auburn's.
ostentatious
Jan 1, 2004 @ 12:17 pm
I'd like to thank the near-coma brought on by my flu-ey, feverish holiday week for allowing me the focus necessary to finish Alias S2 DVDs for the first time, download and watch the S3 eps to date, and then rewatch the entire series from the point of Sark's first appearance. And I've read this whole thread and the spec thread, whew!
I haven't seen anyone else mention this, but...gosh, I know that being a redemptionista is very 1999, but does anyone else think that Sark could be...well, not *good*, but much like Jack, under long-term deep cover and doing what's necessary? Possibly for a black ops organization? I also think that Jack could be working for (or running) that organization, based on some weird coincidences and jarring behavior from them both. I have like, annotated transcripts and stuff, but don't want to retread ground that's been covered already, plus my head is swimming from being stuffed with all this new info and I'm still heavily medicated. Is this a common theory?
And I know this is a weird request but imagine that you're me, and you're newly obsessed with Alias conspiracy theories and how the beautiful boy fits into them and you know you're years behind everyone else and you don't want to look like an asshole in a new fandom but have no one to talk to! So keeping that in mind, would anyone be willing to listen to me rant my theories at them in email to save me from looking like a tool here? I just want to talk about it!!!, and my husband is going to divorce me if he hears the word "Sark" again. I'm dying, over here!
I also have to voice my fear of Lauren/Sark coupling. The S/V shippers have nothing to fear because okay, like Lauren and Vaughn are going to stay together? As if I've never watched TV before, please. Lauren's just a pebble in their road, but *shudder* she could actually be intended to have real significance for Sark, thus she is dangerous, because he could be saddled with her suckage long term.
ETA: Sorry, but I didn't realize it was a spoiler - I was just going off of my viewing and untagged complaints in the Dear JJ thread. But now that I know it's actually a spoiler I may have to go get really drunk, too. How absolutely horrifying.
cyberducks
Jan 1, 2004 @ 12:45 pm
Sure, you can e-mail me to your hearts content. Always happy to listen to Sark theories. About him being a deep cover white hat, that theory was shot out of the water by a dependable spoiler source, at least for the short term. Long term, who knows? But he sure has killed an awful lot of people in cold blood, so I don't think that's likely.
Oh, and I just notice this now in my hungover state, but you gotta put that last paragraph where you talk about a certain coupling under tags, that is a spoiler.
aurora
Jan 1, 2004 @ 1:50 pm
*Covers ears* Not listening! I would like to think of that as speculation. It's not concrete! We don't know yet!
harlequinade
Jan 1, 2004 @ 1:56 pm
David Anders must have sold his soul, he's so good
Note to self: In order to gain talent on a par or near with his, consider selling soul. Possibly meet devil by some sort of crossroads?
And
Ost, I'm always willing to listen to theories, crazy or not. Makes me feel less like the person who stands outside Oxford Street station with a "the end is nigh" sign*, because then I know that other people think about these things too.
*Just to clarify, I don't know the person who does this, nor am I related to him in any way. Just saying.
Mnemosyne
Jan 1, 2004 @ 4:37 pm
ostentatious, I'd love to hear your theories here or in email. As long as they're Sark-central, it's fine to post them here, I think. I think Sark has his own reasons for what he does, but I've never thought of him as being deep cover for anyone "good." I'm curious to hear your take.
pellenaka
Jan 1, 2004 @ 5:20 pm
I took the liberty of making a Harem
PC entry. The Sark Side was just too good to pass up.
LinaBo
Jan 1, 2004 @ 5:28 pm
Hehee... yes, I saw that. What's so great about that PC is that there's so many titles with 'dark' in them out there... (btw, though, you're missing a 'u' in 'guaranteed')
btw, I have some speculation for Sark forming, but I have to check some facts and think on it some more to form my opinions, before I post.
cyberducks
Jan 1, 2004 @ 6:00 pm
The RLBF has an interesting theory about Sarkums, now he is not as emotionally invested as th harem ( a slight understatement,ehem), but he may be a tad more objective. He bases his theory on the fact that, quote: that guy weasels out of everything. He thinks Sark made a deal with the FBI/CIA: he gets to see the sun again and in turn they have put him into the covenant as a mole/saboteur. The RLBF says for his theory to work Sark doesn't have to be turned into a good guy, just be an opportunist bent on survival and his freedom. He also thinks he made this deal with a specific person, the last person Sark had a scene with at th end of season 2. Think back who that was..
Anyway, if that came to pass I would never hear the end of the gloating.
aurora
Jan 1, 2004 @ 6:27 pm
I'm thinking the last time we saw Sark in S2 he was with Kendall. But since Baldy Bear hasn't been around, and Lindsey was the one who set up that scheme to keep Sark and the scientist when instead Sark got taken by the Covenant, who knows what's up and who's behind what's going on. But I love the theory.
LinaBo
Jan 1, 2004 @ 6:28 pm
cyberducks, your RLBF's theory is much along the lines of what I was thinking. I think that Sark was previously informed of his inheritance and that Lazarey had been planning over two years in advance to leave it to him, and how the Covenant was going to end up taking it from him before he could get control... so if he cooperated with the Covenant now, someone from the 'good guys' (and I use the term loosely, because I think it's Kendall, given the latest spoilery promo pics, although I don't think he's 'bad'. I just think he's involved in something more independant from the usual 'good guys' we know) would help orchestrate getting that money back to him later. In exchange for that bit of help, Sark helps bring down the Covenant for the good guys. Goodness knows Sark doesn't like being a supplicant, or having any competition in the badassossity department.
The above would tie in to my previous theories that Lark, if it does happen (again: eeeeewww), in any form would be part of Sark's infiltration of the Covenant and whatever potential badness or shady deals that Lauren makes/tries to make. It would also tie into David's slip of the tongue (heh) that indicates Sark is going to do some 'good'... or however we interpret that.
aurora
Jan 1, 2004 @ 6:35 pm
This spec is making me all 'eeee!' and I do hope that someone's paying attention. We all know that the Sarkster is in this for himself and himself alone, and putting his ass on the line to save it in the end seems like something he would do. And, as much of an Ew! Lark is, I think I could handle it in a situation like this. I might need some therapy, but I could handle it. Yay for new theories that actually get me excited about the show and its future again.
Mnemosyne
Jan 1, 2004 @ 7:02 pm
I'm all for some big cool revelation or whatever about Sark. But I guess I'm just tired of those "fool the audience" scenes, because I really think they're "we pulled this story out of our ass at the last minute" excuses. It gets a little irritating sometimes. So I just hope whatever they're planning for Sark is actually reasonable for his character and not at the expense of it.
First in 2004: Sark is HOT!
nesara
Jan 1, 2004 @ 7:06 pm
Lina, pellenaka, these PCs are just the best. I'd watch any of them!
If that article is anything to go by, the rest of the season should be somewhat Sark-centric, right? But then again, this is from the same guy who promised us that cutie will be in all 22 eps.
Edited to remove spoiler tags
aurora
Jan 1, 2004 @ 7:25 pm
nesara, I would think that that isn't a spoiler since, well, we're coming up on the middle of the season.
All we can do is cross our fingers and toes that they're not going to disappoint us. I still trust JJ and the other writers a lot, although I do think that's an insane idea lately, trusting VBR with the show.
The Other Daughter
Jan 2, 2004 @ 10:11 am
All we can do is cross our fingers and toes they're not gonna dissapoint us.
Hey, I'm willing to give it a shot-just when I'm about ready to give up on the show, every season, the writers do something that restores my faith again. Damn you JJ for driving me crazy like this! The only thing you can do to redeem yourself is give us a LOT of Sark! Shirtless!
nesara
Jan 2, 2004 @ 10:53 am
That's what I meant!
ostentatious
Jan 2, 2004 @ 3:06 pm
Just because it occurred to me and there is prettiness involved:
Golden sunGolden sunGolden sonHot as the sun, indeed. =)
Mnemosyne
Jan 2, 2004 @ 5:40 pm
Hell yeah, ostentatious. Very cool, and very pretty. God I hope TPTB have something great lined up for Sark!
AmberSpyglass
Jan 2, 2004 @ 7:03 pm
[OT] God, I think I just ate everything in my fridge. Stupid pre-time of the month cravings. And I had so much in that fridge. Damn. [/OT]
Anyway, I agree. I really hope Sark gets some really, really good plotlines that in no way, at all, even a tiny, teeny, itty-bitty, minute, tinsy bit, involve Lark. *shudder*
ostentatious
Jan 2, 2004 @ 9:04 pm
First of all, Sark can do no wrong, and anything he wants to do is okay by me merely by virtue of the fact that he wants to do it. Anything. For. The. Boy.
But anyway, like a month ago,
Raffaella said:
I think the reason some people were shocked by Sark is that it's the first time (correct me if I'm wrong) we actually saw him torture someone. Usually, he shoots people, or desintegrates them from a distance, which is quite impersonal, or has them tortured without touching them himself.
Yeah, it's weird that this is the first time ever that he's tortured someone. He's never even ordered someone to be tortured before, you know? He's been adjacent to it, but not directly involved. Why is his dad different? Why did he want to be the one to torture his dad? It could be because he wanted to get revenge personally, but I think it could also be for the same reason Sydney insisted upon being the one that stabbed Vaughn - to get to be the one who controlled the degree of damage. I guess we'll see, if we ever get to see Laz again and see how to' up he looks. =)
I'm glad the wink was suspicious to other people, too. Seriously, he's been all grr grr Bristow will pay for killing my father and for those dreadful scars on your back, Frallison, and then he's gonna go and wink at Syd? Is he just being snarky, or is it a signal? That's like...that's really *forward* of him. I'm liking someone's theory from a few weeks back that the Covenant has planted a permanent bug on him, and that the occasional wink and surreptitious assistance given to Sydney via completely uncharacteristic lapses in his ability to do his work properly are the best he can manage.
aurora
Jan 2, 2004 @ 9:12 pm
What I love about the theory that he has one of those little monitors in him like Sloane did, is that he could be doing these tiny little things to sabotage the Covenant, just like Syd did to SD-6. Another little parallel between them.
cyberducks
Jan 2, 2004 @ 9:38 pm
Yeah, that Sark on a tracker theory was my brainchild, and I still think it's a possibility. No, I am not deluded at all. Sark's behaviour and actions have been all over the place all season long, it's been kinda erratic and Sark's not the erratic type at all. One minute he tries to off her and the next he winks at her, there is something else going on. Unless the writers really are on crack.
The RLBF is so proud of himself that some of the harem liked his little theory. If he gets any fuller of himself he will surely burst.
chaton_espion
Jan 3, 2004 @ 1:14 am
*does her happy Harem dance* Eee! All of these theories flying around and that article linked back a while ago have me giddy and majorly anxious for new Alias. Not that I wasn't entirely giddy and anxious before anyway = ).
I'm looking forward to this new twist for Sark, but I'm a little apprehensive, as well. I'm all for bigger and better storylines for our boy, but I'll be hella pissed if the writers screw it up. I've still got faith in JJ, though. I remember reading an article where he said that the thing he loved about the fans was how observant we are; how we can pick up on little details and relate them to something else that happens x number of episodes later. That has me hoping that all of these little quirks we've been picking up on, from Sark spotting Syd in Mexico (because he DID, dammit) to The Wink, have been intentional. Please, oh please.
Ooo, ostentatious, I had forgotten about that first "golden sun". That's veeery interrresting... Damn you JJ and your complex riddle of a show. You shall drive me mad!
Also, thanks for the Sark pic. I love that one. He's so glowy and bewildered... and hot.
LinaBo
Jan 3, 2004 @ 2:01 am
I, for one, don't trust J.J. anymore. The man has his own agenda, and while not as warped as someone else involved in the show (*coughcough* *looks around and whistles innocently*), he still doesn't have a firm grasp on the mindset of the fans, or the importance of the fans to Alias' success. I think he secretly has another middle name, and that name is fucking 'FUBAR'.
I do, however, recognize that his decisions plotwise are huge and can swing either way. So here's praying that Sark falls into the good half of J.J. 'FUBAR' Abrams' well of creativity.
(Now, thanks to my insanity, I thought that maybe I'd combine my new and old nicknames for J.J.: 'FUBAR' and 'Barnum', the latter refering to the friggin' circus he's gotten us so addicted to, combine to become 'fubarnum', which can be in noun form, or if so desired, a verb. As is 'J.J. fubarnummed the Season 2 finale'.)
cjgurl427
Jan 3, 2004 @ 4:37 am
Sooooo...are you gonna help us out with what "FUBAR" stands for?
harlequinade
Jan 3, 2004 @ 8:26 am
Going a bit further on the tracking theory, maybe the covenant have some sort of bug implanted on him? Because correct me if I'm wrong, but whenever he's done something a little out of the ordinary, it hasn't been verbal. Instead, its things like noticing Syd (twice) and not saying anything, announcing the name of the project loudly which may come across as weird but not stupid, winking at her. Which would make suddenly announcing "Bristow has to pay for these scars" and so forth more understandable. Because there he's leaving evidence for the covenant that he is against Syd, much in the manner that they are. This would especially make sense if they don't think he knows about the bug.
But then, I can't think of all the times he's said things. Can anyone come up with examples of possibly helping Syd in a verbal fashion?
I'm really looking forward to the new episodes. I haven't felt this excited about a tv show in a long time. Eee!
ostentatious
Jan 3, 2004 @ 10:06 am
from Sark spotting Syd in Mexico (because he DID, dammit)
I've stepped through both the Mexico encounter and the encounter during his meeting with Simon and his gang frame by frame and in each scene he clearly turns his head toward her twice. In Mexico he leaves the pictures on the table until she moves behind him to see them, and then helpfully holds them up one at a time at the perfect angle for her to see and photograph. Then Oransky notices "That woman is watching us" and Sark turns and Sydney is dashing off behind the sunglass stand. Sark then says something I can't quite make out. He either says "Yes, she's CIA, we should be going" or "If she's CIA, we should be going." But either way...he can ID her at a distance with her back turned, but he doesn't notice her when she's waltzing around five feet from his face? He totally knew she was there.
It's so fucking sexy to me that Sark pushes ahead with his missions, giving her certain information that she couldn't get otherwise and then just trusting her abilities so completely that he can go ahead and do his job fully, knowing that she will find a way to do *her* job and defeat the Covenant's plan. He doesn't have to hold back and second guess because he knows she can do it. That's respect, yo. I don't *have* to see the Sarkney, but I cannot think of better justification for two people fucking than that right there. Sigh. I'll be in my bunk.
I also liked someone's earlier spec that "Trust Lazarey" referred to Sark, not his dad. The reason I like it (other than it lends support to the "The Boy Can Do No Wrong" principle) is that it's tough for me to accept that Sydney would tell herself to place trust in someone who would abuse a child. She may in fact be able to trust him in a given situation, but to instruct herself to trust him implicitly? Since "Julia" left a note for Sydney written in one of Irina's codes, which suggests they may have had contact during the past two years, I think it's possible that she could've learned something about Sark from her mom that made her think she could trust him.
When did he figure out that "Julia" killed his father? In 3x5 he IDs Jack for Perez. Later in that ep Perez outs Julia/Syd to Simon. In 3x6 Sark tells Allison he doesn't know who killed his father. In 3x7 Perez names Julia/Syd as Laz's assassin, and later in that ep Sark tells Lauren that he framed Perez, hoping Perez would name Syd. This is weird. The only thing I can come up with is that Sark is lying when he tells Allison that he doesn't know who killed his father, because the latest logical place for him to learn that A. Julia=Syd (though I suspect he already knew that) and B. The info Perez has on her is offscreen in 3x5. Why would he lie to Allison, though? If he really believes Sydulia offed his dad on behalf of the Covenant (as Perez did), he could've lied to prevent the Covenant from knowing he knew they'd had his father killed, which supports the idea that he's working against them - and that he didn't trust Allison.
RandomEliza
Jan 3, 2004 @ 10:52 am
Yeah, I totally don't get what FUBAR means. You're gonna have to help me out, here, Lina, cause I is lost. I was thinking Fuck yoU BAd Robot? But that doesn't make much sense. Help!
Dude. Ostentatious. EXACTLY. All the whole part about how much Sark respects Syd and how he does what he does because he knows she can do what she does... TOTALLY. Although you put it much better than I did. *grins* Maybe it's because half my brain is still trying to figure out FUBAR. Hee.
aurora
Jan 3, 2004 @ 10:56 am
Fubarnummed. Heh. It's perfect. (Oh, if I'm not mistaken, FUBAR means Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition or something to that effect.)
The theories kick ass. I am in awe of y'all.
fuzzy_ears
Jan 3, 2004 @ 12:00 pm
Oh my god, I love this thread so much. Just as I'm losing hope with the season, ostentatious posts the Best Spec Ever. If J.J isn't already planning this, he had better read this thread and MAKE IT HAPPEN. It also could support spoilers that Sark will hook-up with someone this season. Hopefully, that could mean some Sarkney in the near future, esp. if Syd is leaving stuff like Trust Lazaray meaning Sark, and he's trying to help her. Or maybe I am just reaching because I want Sarkney really badly. And maybe then it could kill the possibility of Lark.
Either way, thanks for brightening up my day. The only way my weekend could get better is if they moved the next episode to tomorrow, and in it Sark took off his pants and did a table dance.
Whoa, why is that gutter rushing up to meet me?
cyberducks
Jan 3, 2004 @ 12:11 pm
I am easy, just Sark taking his shirt off again would make me happy. The pants would be a bonus.
Mnemosyne
Jan 3, 2004 @ 1:27 pm
aurora is right, FUBAR is short for fucked up beyond all recognition. It's a term commonly used by the military.
Since "Julia" left a note for Sydney written in one of Irina's codes, which suggests they may have had contact during the past two years, I think it's possible that she could've learned something about Sark from her mom that made her think she could trust him.
Dear god, I hope so. That's one thing that never made sense - Syd has always been fascinated by her mother. Why on earth isn't she more curious about the man who worked closely with her for years? Who has as much reason as she does for wanting to figure the Covenant out and bring them down?
But then I think this sort of development might be one the writers consider "too complicated" (referencing JJ's reason for why scenes are cut from the DVDs) especially since Lena is not available so far this season, and they have all that Rambaldi shit to work out. I can only hope not! What else could they have in store for Sark, really? If "Julia" was an assassin who foiled the Covenant and got herself out, and she is the "Other Julian," then what else is he going to do?
Of course, it will be something I never thought of. Darn JJ!
JenMD
Jan 3, 2004 @ 3:30 pm
Yikes, a lot to catch up on. Firstly, belated Happy New Year! And those PC entries are awesome, y'all are so talented.
but does anyone else think that Sark could be...well, not *good*, but much like Jack, under long-term deep cover and doing what's necessary? Possibly for a black ops organization?
I always loved the deep cover idea and was rooting for that up until Phase One. His knowledge of Francie's death, even though he didn't actively participate, pretty much killed that idea for me. And then even if I could have been persuaded to stick with it, he was just killing innocent people all over the place after that. Whereas pre-PO, all the people he'd killed or been part of killing, were bad guys. Even if that kind of thing happens in real life to deep cover operatives, for tv purposes, Sark's got a pretty big body count and I think it would be tough for the writers to work around. Never say never, though.
He's never even ordered someone to be tortured before
He had Will tortured in ATY, S1 and he gave Syd a lovely acid bath in The Counteragent, S2.
re: Sark being bugged, the one thing that bothers me about this scenario is they've done it already with Uncle Arvin. I know the writers like to revisit things, but that seems a bit too similiar. I definitely want them to touch on the reasons for some of the suspiciously helpful to Syd things he's done.
ostentatious, thanks for the reminder on "Trust Lazarey". I'd completely forgotten about that (definitely going to need to rewatch some eps before next week). I
love the idea that it refers to Sark. Ooh, the possibilities.
it's possible that she could've learned something about Sark from her mom that made her think she could trust him.
Absolutely, this is perfect. And as a nice touch, it continues to keep Irina in the story, despite LO's absence. But it also keeps things nice and twisty, something Alias does best. One thing that came to me, that I'm still trying to puzzle out is, could Lazarey's involvement with Syd as Julia have been Irina-orchestrated, as part of a larger plan? Could Irina have fully extrapolated a plan, starting right after Syd was taken, where she knew Syd's and Sark's paths would again meet and they'd need each other?
Ack. I don't even know where I'm going with this. I just know I want what we've seen of Sark so far this season to make sense on the whole and for him to more involved with Syd and what's going on. That's all I want. Oh, and more shirtless!Sark.
That's all I want. Heh.
Mnemosyne
Jan 3, 2004 @ 3:43 pm
could Lazarey's involvement with Syd as Julia have been Irina-orchestrated, as part of a larger plan? Could Irina have fully extrapolated a plan, starting right after Syd was taken, where she knew Syd's and Sark's paths would again meet and they'd need each other?
I would
love to think that somehow, Irina was responsible for getting Sark out, knowing that he could and would then take the Covenant down (using him to get revenge on Syd's behalf, hmm?) to get his $$ back. It's not right that she burned him for Sydney after he was loyal to her for years, even though she knows he can take care of himself. He got her out of CIA custody - hopefully she secretly orchestrated his release as well.
LinaBo
Jan 3, 2004 @ 3:52 pm
aurora and Mnemo are right about FUBAR. It's 'Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition', which is why it's the perfect term to use in reference to this show=P
On the topic of 'Trust Lazarey', Don't spoilers say that Lazarey is going to be killed off soon? Is it very soon? Because I'm thinking that means that Syd won't have time to get any relevant information out of him... leaving only one other 'Lazarey' that she knows... to trust... I love this idea so much, btw.
ostentatious
Jan 3, 2004 @ 4:25 pm
He had Will tortured in ATY, S1 and he gave Syd a lovely acid bath in The Counteragent, S2.
I don't think he had any reason to believe she'd actually stand there and let herself be burned. It would be stupid of her to let herself be injured rather than hear out his offer, if for no other reason than that the offer will no doubt be made in a room that does not have acid showerheads in the ceiling and sure can't be *more* difficult to escape. And hey, if I begin from the assumption that Sark wants Syd not-dead, I can see this incident as one in which he took steps to save her life without letting her know that that's what he was doing. =)
Re: Will's torture. He may have been the one who ordered it, but from what transpired onscreen I think the most that can be said definitively is that he did not take steps to prevent it. He said his employer# had instructed him to keep Will alive but not comfortable. Will did not come through with the info about the Circumference, and Sark nodded to creepy Asian dentist guy, who then tortured Will - but that doesn't mean Sark ordered the torture, you know? I read it as more like, he indicated he was done with the captive for the moment and that the other guy could take over. The quickness with which he afterward said, "Yes, it's as I thought, he knows nothing of the Circumference" was also suspicious. This doesn't make him a good guy, but it doesn't necessarily make him any worse than Jack, IMO. Like, he burned up a bunch of people in that church, right? But then an email conveniently goes out over Echelon containing a set of keywords that the CIA has flagged and the *exact coordinates* of the church, alerting the CIA to begin having the church evacuated. Who sent that email, and why?
At this point I think the text equally supports pretty much any ultimate motivation the writers wanted to assign him. That's what I find so interesting. His actions and motivations are absolutely inscrutable, often subtly contradictory (or can be interpreted that way at least), but never seem random.
The dude in the lab in Stuttgart is the only harm he did pre-S3 that I can't figure out a "But he's really in deep cover!" excuse for. Oh, other than not understanding why he kept ordering Will's death, even over Irina's direct orders. That's weird. Hmm, I should start working on the S3 spreadsheet! Heh. I know it must be annoying to hear someone squeeing and fretting like the ridiculous fangirl she is over S1/S2 stuff that's old hat to y'all, so thanks for putting up with me. =)
# I was convinced until I saw Irina insist he not kill Will (for whatever reason, still can't figure out why she cared) that *Jack* was his real employer, and thus the one who had instructed him to keep Will alive. Did no one else think it was curious that Jack Bristow joked around with an enemy terrorist who then joked back about Jack's precious daughter, and that Jack's head failed to explode?
cyberducks
Jan 3, 2004 @ 6:31 pm
I have always assumed that Sark has it in for Will because of Allison Doren, his girlfriend, whom - in my personal opinion - he has/had genuine feelings for. He was jealous when he was beginning to suspect that Allison was starting to have real feelings for Will. That's why he went over Irina's head and tried to have Will taken out. I think it's wrong to think that Sark doesn't have some or all of the emotions a Regular Joe has. He just compartimentalizes and hides them better than the Average Joe. Of course, the average guy is not a handsome and sexy sociopath with quite the body count under his belt.
cjgurl427
Jan 3, 2004 @ 7:13 pm
That's exactly what I was going to say,
cyberducks.
Especially because his Will-killing tendencies were not brought to light until Second Double - which was written as the same time as the Sark/Allison kiss. And according to some cast commentary or another, that relationship was not planned out ahead of time - it was a last-minute thing.
On the other hand, my poor little shipper heart would love to have him want to kill Will out of jealousy for his relationship with Sydney. But that would really be more of a kill-Vaughn situation. He did seem to be having an awfully good time kicking Vaughn's ass/shooting him in Stuttgart. Big shit-eatin' grin on his face. But then why didn't he kill him? Maybe because he knew that the violent death of
another boyfriend would hurt Sydney too much?
And that time, when Sark kicked that puppy? That was totally the puppy's fault. Good grief, I'm deluded.
ETA:
under his belt
Hee hee hee. I'm twelve.
ostentatious
Jan 3, 2004 @ 7:23 pm
I know intellectually that's a motivation - plus I'm looking at the "The Telling" shooting script right now and it makes everything so clear in the Sark/Allison scene - but honestly, Merrin Dungey is just so awful as Allison that I can't believe it emotionally. You know? =) Sigh. If only she would've like, played the myriad of emotions that are in the shooting script, I would've understood everything. Alas, I have to continue to wank away, trying to find motivation for Sark that I can buy into.
cyberducks
Jan 3, 2004 @ 7:41 pm
Oh yeah, I feel your pain. You are a woman whose boyfriend is a guy who is not in the habit of showing much emotion at all, but you are special to him and he shows emotion for you. So what do you do? You act like ice in and out of bed with him. Any woman who is like a robot in bed with Sark is not...well.
And I have seen Merrin Dungey in other parts and she can act, which makes me think that she was directed that way.
fuzzy_ears
Jan 3, 2004 @ 7:51 pm
And that time, when Sark kicked that puppy? That was totally the puppy's fault. Good grief, I'm deluded.
BWA!! No, seriously, that puppy was looking vicious. He did a service to mankind.
Topic... topic.... Sark is
beautiful and I
luff him. Also, he is not a fluffy bunny, feelings-wise. But that's sort of okay, because he looks hot when he
points guns at
people.
ostentatious
Jan 3, 2004 @ 7:51 pm
God, I wouldn't have minded if I read her as "icy". Instead, when Sark was all, "You don't fancy him, do you?" I was like, "Huh? What's that about? Of course she doesn't, she's never shown the slightest interest in or affection for him." Now, in the shooting script I read that in that scene she's supposed to react to the news that she isn't going to get her real face back with regret but also with some contentment, which to me means I was supposed to get the idea somewhere along the way that she had come to *enjoy* the life she was leading with Will. I have to blame that as much on the writers as the actress, though, since they were never given any scenes in which she had the opportunity. Bedtime hypnosis and dinner out with friends, and that's 'bout it...
...but, to bring this back 'round to the topic: I had no belief that Sark was sensing a real affection for Will or enjoyment for leading the life of Francie, thus I can't believe he sensed a real *danger* from Will, so I just can't get into it at all. And I resent that, because I like DA and MD together physically, because she's my age and isn't a stick insect, thus I could easily pluck her out mentally and replace her with me in Sark's bed, if only she didn't suck the life out of their scenes.
I don't think the puppy was a threat, but I think that kicking the puppy was necessary to the mission, and that while Sark may feel it's unfortunate that the puppy must be kicked, kicked the puppy shall be. You know, it's rare that you find people that do their job well. Hee. =)
aurora
Jan 3, 2004 @ 7:54 pm
Oh.Geez. Big, giant, humongous (Hah!) AquariumSark! Oh, swuddle, I've missed you!
cyberducks
Jan 3, 2004 @ 8:10 pm
Yeah, the funny thing is MD and DA are friendly and like each other in real life, so it's not a case of "oh, the actors hate each other".
Alison Doren is of course the one concrete link to Project x-mas, or was. Somebody took an innocent little girl away from her parents and turned her into a robotic killer. Maybe Sark knew her before she was turned and formed his attachment to her then. That would explain a few things. Maybe she just can't help it and he knows that. A lot has been made of the fact that he is so young to be such a cold blooded killer himself.
fuzzy_ears
Jan 3, 2004 @ 9:48 pm
Aquarium!Sark is my favorite Sark, truth be told. Not even WineGuzzlingWhiteShirt!Sark can compare to Aquarium!Sark. ...Well, okay, maybe a little. If they were to duke it out (hot, sweaty, Sark-on-Sark fist-fighting action....) I don't know who I would put my money on. Aquarium!Sark kidnaps, but WhiteShirt!Sark has a badass I-do-not-fear-torture-and-go-get-me-some-wine,-bitch attitude.
Okay, I needed to take that gutter break. Now back to your regularly sheduled philosophical discussion.