Peanutbuttercup
Jan 7, 2004 @ 4:13 pm
I watched the new Miami Animal Cops on Monday and have last night on tape, though haven't watched it yet. Based on the one episode, I don't like Miami as much as New York or Detroit, because:
1) Their shelter looks nasty;
2) Animal cops are too nice. That woman who put the dog in her trunk and dumped it in an industrial wasteland and kept saying "But I don't care about the dog!" should have been thrown in the hoosegow rather than let off with a civil ticket and fine. Same goes for the guy with the starving goats.
3) Weird interposition of non-cop private animal wrangler trying to catch an alligator. What does this have to do with Miami Animal Police? Not related at all. It felt like the producers believed they needed something with an alligator for a Florida-based show and so just stuck it in there.
4) Too many gratuitous shots of roller-blading women in thong bikinis. I'm really not a prude (honest!) but it was just cheesy.
Ruvane
Jan 7, 2004 @ 9:13 pm
Well, I'm sure the Miami animal cops would love to throw those people in jail, but they do have to comply with the law, and if they are antagonistic towards the criminals, they have less of a chance of getting the animals out safely or getting them to sign them over to the police.
On another note, I'm so pissed over all these big strong men beating the hell out of small animals. Dauschhounds, kittens, etc. The dauschhound lost an eye and the kitten is blind and brain damaged because of these evil men. Oh yeah, and that one puppy that was stabbed to death because the guy was pissed at his girlfriend.
pegleggedgoat
Jan 7, 2004 @ 9:43 pm
I was so pissed off at that woman who dumped her dog. I just wanted to beat her. I am so glad that those kids called the cops on her. The kids were great. It sucks that all she had to do was pay a fine, though. And why wasn't she cited for animal neglect, or something? That dog had never been brushed in it's entire life! The matting was the worst I've ever seen on any of these shows. Miami's laws suck.
I agree with you, peanutbuttercup, about the women in thongs, women dancing in clubs, the shots of south beach, etc. I don't care if this does take place in miami, I didn't tune in to watch that crap.
I did watch Tuesday's episode as well. I couldn't believe it when all those guys showed up and took their fighting roosters back while the animal control officer stood there and watched, because he no power to do anything else. Then, when the bald officer found those two sick, pregnant dogs on the lot, but couldn't take them because they were on private property, I thought I would have an aneurism. Thankfully, the neighbor had no qualms about going on that property and getting them. I kept wondering what he would have done if the neighbor hadn't bothered to help. I think the term "Miami Animal Police" is a little strong. These people have no power to do anything.
The only thing that impressed me was the job their veterinary clinic did on that sick, pregnant dog. I can't believe they saved all 13 puppies. Even little Jorge. I swear that dog was smiling in her last shot when she was playing with her puppies.
Peanutbuttercup
Jan 8, 2004 @ 6:37 am
I did watch Tuesday's episode as well. I couldn't believe it when all those guys showed up and took their fighting roosters back while the animal control officer stood there and watched, because he no power to do anything else.
I know! And then at the end of the show, they said the fifteen men they caught at the cockfight all were released without any charges. That's an excellent way to crack down on animal cruelty. Oh yeah, that and letting men who beat kittens nearly to death with their bare hands (and get observed in the act by reliable witnesses) get off without a minute spent in jail.
I know that probably most of this doesn't have to do so much with the "police" and investigators as the local DA, the judges, and the laws as written, but it still makes for a very unsatisfying show. It's depressing enough to watch shows about animal neglect and cruelty without having to be shown that everyone who does this stuff in the state of Florida gets a slap on the wrist at the most.
choochi
Jan 8, 2004 @ 7:55 am
I agree that this show doesn't measure up to New York or Detroit. In addition to the stuff everyone has already mentioned, the pace seemed very slow (at least in the first episode). There was too much repetition of footage, like they made an hour-long show out of 15 minutes of tape, then padded it out by repeating everything 10 times as "updates" and splicing in some T&A.
carajean
Jan 8, 2004 @ 10:12 pm
I agree that the Miami series isn't as good as New York, Detriot and Houston. Where are the consequences for these people?! The pay off for these shows is a) the happy adoption stories and b) the fines and/or jail time.
Also mentioned above, if I wanted to watch crocodile wrastlin' I'll flip to the Discovery channel. I am just not digging the Miami series.
However, I did crack up at the woman who adopted the brown dog, Cindy, who was all matted and neglected. The dog ended up "starring" in a TV commercial. While being interviewed, the new owner was basically telling off the original owner saying she hoped the pervious owner will see the commercial and Animal Planet and see how happy the dog is with her and how the dog doesn't miss the pervious owner. She was all sassy and so happy with the dog.
Ruvane
Jan 9, 2004 @ 1:25 am
Yes, the wheaton terrier Cindy was so cute! I would have adopted her. It was heartbreaking when the woman led the cops to where she abandoned her and she was just waiting by the side of the road for her, and came up to her owner wagging her tail, and the owner just turned her back and walked away from her with her hands up, like "I don't want nothing to do with that dog." Made me want to shove her in a trunk and dump her by the roadside.
pegleggedgoat
Jan 15, 2004 @ 11:51 pm
Tonight's episode of Animal Cops Detroit was the most depressing I've ever seen. They can't show two rescued dogs being put to sleep. One is plenty. The dog that had had the collar embedded in it's neck was the worst for me. He was so friendly when no one was trying to take his food away. On the NY show, when that happens, they say they will work with the dog. In Detroit, they "humanely euthanize" them. I guess they don't have the financial resources to train them.
At least the matted dog got a good home.
And Debbie was showing some real anger at the beginning of the show. I always find that satisfying for some reason. I think that's why I didn't like the Miami show. The officers were so laid back, it drove me crazy.
sabal
Jan 16, 2004 @ 4:36 am
I had to agree with the evaluator that dog was extremely high risk.. it was just completely bersek and vicious about the food. Didn't seem to matter if it was really somebody trying to take the food or not- did you see it was all hyper when the food was spilled and even snapped at the food itself once? Repeatedly attacked the hand, with total disregard that it could have been a person. Frightening.
Annakie
Jan 16, 2004 @ 6:01 pm
I agree that that dog was waaaaaayyyyy too agressive with its food. And I agree that you can't give a dog like that to people. But I too wish they'd worked with the dog more and try to get that agression out of him. But I'm wondering if there would be any point. With food agression that strong is there even any use trying to work with it? He was viscious. I wonder if even if they did work with him and get him to stop attacking like that if they could still be sure he wouldn't just snap one day and attack his owner. I don't know enough about dog psychology to know how much you can do with agression like that. I felt bad for the trainer. She looked like she was going to cry.
But maybe it is funding. I've noticed that the NY facilities are much nicer. And they get better cars, better equipment, better uniforms, better everything. It seems like a lot of animals get put down on Detroit that I would have thought they'd work with if it were NY. I agree that putting two loveable animals to sleep in a night is a bit much.
Waaaay back to the officer who adopted Kane. That's one of the many reasons I couldn't do that job. I'd constantly be bringing animals home. Before long I'd have too many to properly take care of and then you'd see me on that show one day in my bathrobe, my face all blurred out, yelling nonsense at the officers while they talk about what a dump my place is and wonder how I could live there, let alone my 18 inbred cats and my poor sad matted up dogs, and the chickens I'm keeping in a fishtank... for some reason... So it's definitely for the best that I don't work for the ASPCA I'm thinking.
scarletsmith
Jan 17, 2004 @ 10:45 am
I had to agree with the evaluator that dog was extremely high risk.. it was just completely berserk and vicious about the food. Didn't seem to matter if it was really somebody trying to take the food or not--did you see it was all hyper when the food was spilled and even snapped at the food itself once? Repeatedly attacked the hand, with total disregard that it could have been a person. Frightening.
That was one of the things she said as she explained why the dog was going to have to be put down--food aggression that strong will invariably lead to other kinds of aggression later (toys, territory, etc.) The evaluator (Jan?) was practically crying, and I was crying along with her. Poor Atlas. Not his fault he was never properly food-socialized, but I agreed 100% with the decision to euthanize: He was
so food aggressive that he even attacked the broom when she was sweeping up the spilled food. Then, as soon as the food was cleared, he became sweetness and light again, as if nothing had happened. You can't put a dog like that up for adoption, period.
IIRC, NYC had a case where the dog (a toy poodle, Cinnamon) was absolutely viciously food aggressive
and handling aggressive, again due to lack of proper socialization. They were trying an office foster, and the office worker who'd been working with him went to pick him up and put him back in his cage after a relatively quiet day and he bit her so bad that she ended up needing stitches. They had no choice but to put him down as well.
I'm loving the new eps of
Animal Cops: Detroit this week, but I'm crying after practically every one of them.
pegleggedgoat
Jan 21, 2004 @ 12:30 pm
Ok, ok. You are all probably right about Atlas. It just sucks.
Moving on to last night's episode of Animal Precinct. What kind of psycho throws a dog off a roof? That was sick. What horrible, horrible way to die. At least he got jail time for it. And I am so glad the wife left him. She and her puppy needed to get far away from him.
I missed the beginning and was confused about one thing. Did they return the chow with the ear infections and skin problems to her original owner? Why was it not considered abuse?
Annakie
Jan 21, 2004 @ 4:25 pm
Yeah. That guy was really sick. I guess he got mad at his wife and so he threw her dog off the roof. I'm also glad she left him but I didn't get why she didn't take her puppy with her, or why she didn't wait until she was away from him to get a new puppy. Even so, the puppy seemed to really love her and that was sweet to see. But the guy yelling, in handcuffs, as they were taking the puppy away holding him by the chain around his neck? "No! You can not take my chain! That's a $45 chain!" Yeah. Ok, Prick.
The impression I got with the Chow was that the owner wanted to do what she could for the dog, she was even taking her to the vet (who apparently overlooked everything else that was wrong with the Chow and just prescribed ear medication...). The problem was that the Chow was in so much pain (didn't the ASPCA vet say her eardrums had burst?) that she wouldn't let anybody near her. I think the owner really wanted to treat the dog, but she didn't want to lose an arm. When they showed the Chow again at the end with her owner without the ear trouble she was like a completely different dog. Happy and friendly.
scarletsmith
Jan 24, 2004 @ 11:58 am
RE: Friday's Animal Precinct:
26 poodles?!? Good grief. And that woman didn't want her dogs spayed/neutered/vaccinated because it was against her religion? WTF? Yeah, I know there are religious sects that believe this way, but come on, woman, you've got poodles coming out of your ears! I'm surprised they didn't make a bigger stink about that little puppy mill she had going there.
KimberleeJean
Jan 24, 2004 @ 12:11 pm
But maybe it is funding. I've noticed that the NY facilities are much nicer. And they get better cars, better equipment, better uniforms, better everything.
I adopted my kitties from that facility a number of years ago, and even though I now live in Queens (instead of right around the corner), I still schlep them to the vets there because the facilities are very nice and affordable, and the vets and staff are very helpful and wonderful. I had to have my white rat, Ginger, put to sleep and they were totally caring and wonderful, and referred me right away to their small animal specialist. She made the task of saying goodbye much easier, and treated me with respect when others may have just been like, "It's just a rat." They even sent me a condolence card.
I believe it is the ASPCA's flagship location. I get a thrill when I see one of my kitties' vets on the show.
Peanutbuttercup
Jan 24, 2004 @ 7:04 pm
One reason NY is my favorite Animal Precinct/Cops is you get to see lots of satisfying perp walk. Usually the guy with his hands behind his back and his jacket over his head is saying something like "whaddya mean I'm being arrested? Just because I starved my dog? That's messed up!"
Houston is good because you get to go in the courtroom and see the court cases a little bit. The judge they usually have reminds me a bit of the guy who is always losing loans to Di-Tech. He's very predictable though -- he always remarks that this is the worst case he's ever seen, and awards the animals in question to the Humane Society.
mambotaxi
Jan 24, 2004 @ 7:38 pm
Poor Atlas. Not his fault he was never properly food-socialized, but I agreed 100% with the decision to euthanize: He was so food aggressive that he even attacked the broom when she was sweeping up the spilled food. Then, as soon as the food was cleared, he became sweetness and light again, as if nothing had happened. You can't put a dog like that up for adoption, period.
It's sad, but sometimes it has to be done. I had a dog a few years ago that had come out of an abusive situation. I didn't realize she was object aggressive because I'd never taken anything from her (didn't need to, since she was usually willing to drop whatever she had for a treat). Unfortunately, one day she had a chew toy and I got near her and she thought I was trying to take it from her. She bit me, badly, on the face. I tried retraining her, but by that point she had learned that biting got her what she wanted, and I made the painful decision to have her put down. There are just some problems you can't live with, and not every dog can be saved.
ETA: Another thing I love about the NY show is the total New Yorkness of it. I especially love Sandano and her top-of-the-head ponytail-wearing, gum-chewing, outer-borough-accent-having self.
I love the perp walk! It's actually illegal to do that now like they used to, but I guess it's okay to show the faces if they've been convicted.
Code P
Jan 24, 2004 @ 9:53 pm
Did Animal Cops Miami go through the entire run of episodes? Its seems like they advertised it forever and then it was gone. I watched the first show but couldn't stand to watch anymore. The combination of the beach shots, constant rehashing and the laid back demenor of the officers was too much to bear.
It is also not listed on the Animal Planet website. The other shows----- I am addicted!
mambotaxi
Jan 28, 2004 @ 11:03 pm
Animal Cops Houston was a repeat tonight, but I have to say I just loved the woman in the pink cowboy hat who adopted Sweetheart the starved horse!
Levdrakon
Jan 29, 2004 @ 1:11 am
I bet with the cold snap they're having in the Northeast right now later this year we're going to be seeing lots of freezing animal stories.
KimberleeJean
Jan 30, 2004 @ 7:13 pm
I agree, Levdrakon, because if the people in my neighborhood are any indication, those Animal Cops are going to have their hands full.
Incidentally, I saw the ASPCA cops driving down my street not too long ago. Do you think me yelling "You guys rule!" was too dorky?
[public service announcement]The ASPCA is having a lot of trouble with overpopulation here, and as a result have slashed adoption prices for kitties. If anyone in in the NY metro area, would like some kitties and wants to see the Bergh Memorial Hospital in glorious living color, now would be an excellent time to do that. [/public service announcement]
Mysteris
Feb 15, 2004 @ 6:37 pm
Normally, I don't get mad at a lot of what I see on TV. I've learned to tune it out over the years. But this week's episode, with the sweet, friendly dog who had a two-pound, foot-thick steel chain embedded two inches deep in his neck just made me pissed the hell off. What the hell kind of owner can't notice a frickin' chain in their animal's neck? And the dog was trapped outside with no food, no water, and no shelter in 90-degree heat. Can't the animal cops do something? Like bust in and throw the owners down like it was a drug raid? Geez. They're ought to be some kind of test before you can adopt an animal.
[/rant] Okay, I'm calm again. I just had to vent that.
katymo
Feb 15, 2004 @ 8:44 pm
ITA that horrified me! The dog even looked like a dog I used to have, which broke my heart even more. To be fair to the SPCAs around the country, when I adopted my puppy 5 months ago, I swear I had to put my house up as collateral and know how many times I had a bowel movement last week to take her home. There's less complication when giving birth to a human! Unfortunately many people that neglect their dogs don't go through a pound, they pick them up off a neighbor or some other none formal place. I don't know how these people live with themselves really.
Leanan
Feb 16, 2004 @ 1:05 am
*delurks* RE the dog with the embedded chain. It was bad enough to see what the owner had done to the poor thing, but then to find out that they had to euthanize Atlas because of his aggressiveness? I was in tears (Something this show never fails to do to me). I really wanted to see a happy ending for him; it's so sad that due to his mistreatment and subsequent food aggressiveness he couldn't be adopted. And then they couldn't find out who did this to Atlas. Makes me so sick that people can get away with treating a life like this.
Isaboe
Feb 17, 2004 @ 10:18 am
What pissed me off is that they went through all the trouble to save the dog then PUT HIM TO SLEEP because of aggressive food bowl issues! Christ, do you blame him? They couldn't just make a note not to mess with the dog when you feed him!? Hell, when someone gets to close to my food, I get aggressive too!
Annakie
Feb 17, 2004 @ 12:04 pm
They couldn't just make a note not to mess with the dog when you feed him!?
I don't think they could. As the woman who was working with Atlas explained, food aggression often grows into a lot of other types of aggression over time. The dog just gets more and more territorial as time goes on and after a while you have a dog that you really don't want to live with. I think perhaps if Atlas had only been a little bit snappish around his food they might have worked with him more, but he was ready to snap that fake arm in half. You just really can't give people (who will want a nice friendly happy pet) a dog like that. Even if the adult owners were very careful never to go near Atlas while he was eating, what if they had small children? Or other pets? The danger is just too great, and just think of the liablility issues.
Anybody watch last night's ep? There was the chow who was left locked in an apartment for a long time without food or water and nobody going in to check on him. In the end it turned out the owner movied to Florida but couldn't take him with them right away. They made arrangements with their daughter to take care of the dog, but she was mad at them for moving so she decided to get revenge on her parents by letting their dog die a slow painful death. Just sickening.
jakes mom
Feb 19, 2004 @ 9:17 pm
I watched the episode last night (AP:NY) with the 49 wire fox terriers. I just don't understand how someone could let their home and dogs get that out of control. And that mobile lab? They certainly aren't hurting for money up there, aren't they?
But it's so very unfair! That guy was up for 1 year in jail or $1000. $1000 for neglecting 49 dogs? I think he should have to pay the expenses the ASPCA incurred while taking care of all those little furry ones.
It did make me glad, though, that so many of the dogs were finding happy homes. I really hope that someone took in Chanel (the 14 year old with 2 deformed legs). After such a long and rough life, he really deserves some extra special TLC.
Annakie
Feb 19, 2004 @ 11:51 pm
I cried every time Chanel was on the screen.
It was bad enough that the guy was neglecting those dogs. More than bad enough. But zapping those sweet little dogs with cattle prods as well? Cattle prods??? There are no words.
sabal
Feb 20, 2004 @ 2:51 am
Regarding Atlas.. Annakie was right. Atlas' food aggression was not necessarily due to abuse or conditions he was raised in. It's entirely possible it was genetic in nature, and even with 'the bestest owners and raising' it is very possible he would have been dangerously possessive. Notice Atlas never showed any fear of any person at any time, this is was another sign of his aggressiveness. It was not exactly 100% friendly, it was subtle- more like 'I see you' instead of 'oh hi there, how are you' greeting of a genuinely non-aggressive friendly dog.
I just thought of something. Maybe it is his possessive aggression was what caused the original owners to chain him out back? He snapped at them and they got scared.. Not a good reason of course, but a thought on whether his aggression was genetic or situational in nature..
Also another problem is that even if the new owners were completely careful, there is still the issue of visitors. Imagine the owners having a bbq party and somebody puts down a plate on the ground.. or Atlas decides the guest was not deserving of respect and decided the plate of food on the visitor's lap or table was his..
There is never, ever any reason good enough to accept aggression from a dog towards its owners, no matter what kind, size, sex, situation etc except in extreme cases maybe such as in extreme pain.
I have to say I noticed another thing about this show that has started to irritate me.. they pretty much show only cases of abuse by humans against animals.. never anything on people who take reasonable care yet let their dogs roam, or owners who let their dog bark constantly etc.. Those are big contributors to the creation and passage of anti-dog laws. Dogs allowed to roam free have contributed to dog attacks on people, and are amongst the top killers of livestock and poultry. I keep waiting for Houston to show this.... but noo, they have to show only people who starve their horses.
mambotaxi
Feb 20, 2004 @ 9:10 am
I know they've said that they're only allowed to intervene when an animal is being cruelly treated, not just when they're a nuisance. There was one episode with a stray dog in a side lot -- if one of the neighbors hadn't taken him, they would have had to call in the city shelter, because they can't take in strays.
There is never, ever any reason good enough to accept aggression from a dog towards its owners, no matter what kind, size, sex, situation etc except in extreme cases maybe such as in extreme pain.
Big fat WORD. I had a dog a couple of years ago who had major dominance problems, and she eventually bit me in the face -- she had a chew thing and I got too close, and she thought I was trying to take it away from her. I was lucky I didn't lose an eye. I called my dog trainer immediately, and she told me that my dog meant to hurt me and that now I had a dog who knows that biting works. She gave me a plan to work with the dog to try to re-establish control. However, after a week, the dog was baring her teeth at me when she didn't like whatever I was doing, so I made the very painful decision to have her put down. You wouldn't believe the crap I got for that decision from people who only knew her as the very friendly dog she was to others. My dogwalker practically screamed at me that I shouldn't have done it, she would have taken the dog, etc. But I couldn't just pass along a problem like that.
I don't speak to that dogwalker anymore, and I use someone else for my new dog. Who, of course, has her own issues.
cleopatraseven
Feb 20, 2004 @ 10:30 am
they pretty much show only cases of abuse by humans against animals.. never anything on people who take reasonable care yet let their dogs roam, or owners who let their dog bark constantly etc..
That's because they are the ASPCA, not Animal Control. They are a privately funded organization, not government run. They only deal with cruelty or neglect cases.
Someone said upthread they aren't hurting for money, well....they seem to be very well funded, but I can tell you from experience that when it comes to rescueing animals, there is never enough to go around. Plus, their medical and holding areas look pretty dated and extremely crowded. But that's the norm in most animal welfare facilities.
mambotaxi
Feb 20, 2004 @ 10:30 pm
The ASPCA in NY is the HQ of the entire organization, which has been around for over a century and has benefitted from the fundraising associations of people with serious cash. You can see the regional differences in the Detroit show especially (Houston seems to do well enough in donations even if it hasn't got the state-of-the-art facilities that the NY facility does.
I do have to say that the NY ASPCA is across from a housing project (even though NYC housing project tend to be mixed-income and therefore less scary) and in an area of Manhattan that until recently was relatively low-rent. In fact, their space is at 92d and York, and there's a very chichi gourmet store around the corner (Eli's Vinegar Factory) that hasn't been there that long.
cleopatraseven
Feb 23, 2004 @ 9:56 am
mambotaxi, do you know how exactly they are empowered by city or state government to have arrest powers, carry guns, etc...? I was thinking about that the other night as I was watching. Since Houston has to have a constable come out to actually enforce law, and Detroit needs police on the scene to actually arrest anyone (i think), I was wondering what the difference in the NY ASPCA's relationship is to government?
carajean
Feb 23, 2004 @ 10:59 pm
I think that the officers in NY are actual (NYPD) police officers. To have the power to arrest someone you have to be a certified peace officer commissioned by a state. I think the NY officers are actual police officers who work as animal cruelity officers. I think at some point in the law enforcement career, a position with the ASPCA as an animal cruelity officer became available and they put in for the position and were assigned to that unit, just like an officer might put in for a position with narcotics unit, motors unit, K-9 unit, etc. Several times were have "seen" Special Agent Q, the officer whose face is always blurred out because he also works undercover. I could be wrong, but most police departments will not put a civilian in such a dangerous situation (being undercover).
I work as a civilian crime scene investigator. I can work a crime scene, identify the suspect, but then officers go out and arrest the individual. I do not have (nor do I want) the authority to go make an arrest. This, I believe is the case with Detriot and Houston. Their "officers" are civilians (not police officers) who work as investigators. Therefore, they have no power to arrest and that is why they have to call out law enforcement to perform search warrants or arrest individuals.
I could be wrong though.
mambotaxi
Feb 23, 2004 @ 11:17 pm
I think you're right -- law enforcement in NYC is not limited to the NYPD; there are separate forces in various agencies such as Housing, Bridges and Tunnels, Sanitation, etc. Transit used to be a separate force until it merged with the NYPD in the 80s.
They still work with the NYPD in that they turn over prisoners to them for processing, which is the job of the NYPD until arraignment.
They're probably granted their power to arrest by the city charter.
One thing that irks me about the way they film the undercover officers (M, Q and H) is that they blur their faces but they keep filming their tattoos. H especially has some pretty distinctive ink that somebody might recognize.
cstad
Mar 4, 2004 @ 10:30 am
Just wanted to let y'all know that new episodes of Animal Cops: Miami are due up next week. One of the promos showed a guy (I can't tell if it's one of the humane people or if it's an owner or what) getting attacked by a dog as he tries to pet it. The dog bites down hard on his hand and you can tell it's probably a serious thing. I'm very interested to see what happens, and I'm usually not that interested in the Miami series. I had a boxer-type dog bite me in the face a few years back (thankfully, not too serious) and I'm still hyper-phobic of boxers as a result. I'm interested to see how it's handled here.
Annakie
Mar 10, 2004 @ 2:41 am
They finally showed that episode of Miami tonight and that was just.... wow. That dog bit the same guy twice
I was really surprised that they still considered the dog adoptable. That they didn't put him down. I can just imagine the adoption pitch for Will. "Please adopt this dog! He bites when you pet him!"
I guess that's the point of a no-kill shelter though. In most cases I'd be for not putting dogs down. I don't like the idea of euthanizing a dog because you're running out of space. (I understand why it happens, I just don't like it.) But I don't see how they could consider Will adoptable. I know they said they were working with him and training the agression out of him... but I don't want to see the first little kid who pulls his ears.
I wish they hadn't kept showing the bites the way they did. It was really hard to watch and I finally had to turn away.
Isaboe
Mar 10, 2004 @ 5:24 pm
Obviously,since the dog was a GUARD dog, it was trained for that. The owner must have trained him to hate authority figures too. The cop was the only one the dog attacked. Twice! Part of it was the cops fault. Would be interesting to get a follow up to see if Will was able to be retrained. Neutering would probably help too.
loudninjette
Mar 11, 2004 @ 7:02 am
I saw Miami Animal Police lfor the first time last night. Soooooo, is the show editted by teenage boys? What's with all the go-go dancer and apply-suntan-lotion-to-thong-clad-buttock shots? My husband and I laughed the first couple of times at the randomness of it, but then it started getting creepy. This week on MAP: Starving Horses! King Cobras! and ASS! Ew.
mambotaxi
Mar 11, 2004 @ 9:25 am
I haven't watched this week, but I saw the guy getting bitten in the previews last week. Um, why didn't he use a stick-with-loop thing (whatever they're called) like they do in New York, Detroit and Houston?
Annakie
Mar 11, 2004 @ 3:07 pm
Why didn't he use a stick-with-loop thing?
Because both times that he was bitten he wasn't trying to restrain or catch the dog. The guy was
petting him!
Vermicious Knid
Mar 11, 2004 @ 4:46 pm
I think the NY officers are actual police officers who work as animal cruelity officers. I think at some point in the law enforcement career, a position with the ASPCA as an animal cruelity officer became available and they put in for the position and were assigned to that unit
Nope. Several of the officers have said they started as volunteers. Here's the
history of the ASPCA that explains how the organization was founded. The other cities didn't have rich patrons back in 1866 who could convince the state legislature to give animal control officers police powers.
Bergh brought a charter for a proposed society to protect animals to the New York State Legislature. With his flair for drama he convinced politicians and committees of his purpose, and the charter incorporating The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals was passed on April 10, 1866. Nine days later, an anti-cruelty law was passed, and the ASPCA granted the right to enforce it.
I keep missing episodes because there are too many things I want to watch simultaneously at 10pm.
carajean
Mar 11, 2004 @ 6:34 pm
I think the NY officers are actual police officers who work as animal cruelity officers. I think at some point in the law enforcement career, a position with the ASPCA as an animal cruelity officer became available and they put in for the position and were assigned to that unit
Nope. Several of the officers have said they started as volunteers. Here's the history of the ASPCA that explains how the organization was founded. The other cities didn't have rich patrons back in 1866 who could convince the state legislature to give animal control officers police powers.
That first quote was from me. I didn't even know that one could grant police powers. You learn something new everyday...
mambotaxi
Mar 11, 2004 @ 11:13 pm
Police powers are a function of the state, whether directly authorized by the state or through the city's charter. As I posted earlier, there are a lot of different city and state agencies with police powers, such as the Port Authority, NYC Housing, ASPCA, etc. I didn't realize that the ASPCA's police powers in NY went back as far as 1866, though!
cleopatraseven
Mar 12, 2004 @ 2:59 pm
Here'ssome background on all the officers, plus if you click on "so you wanna be an animals cop" in the right hand column it gives a short history of the ASPCA.
Tavella
Mar 22, 2004 @ 12:50 pm
I'm also not so fond of Miami Animal Police. I think it's because on the other shows, the investigators are animal protectors first, enforcement after, and MAP are fundamentally cops who have been assigned to animal control. I'm sure they all love animals, you probably don't stay long on that beat if you don't, but it's not their mission in life.
It is more realistic, though. The poor dog with a broken leg being put down right there on the street is much more representative of animal control in most of the country than the careful care they get on the other shows. Very few places have the resources of Detroit or Houston, and no one has the resource of the NYC. Realism sucks.
Did you see the episode last week focusing on adoptions? It explained the difference between AP and the other shows. $2 million to run the adoption program, 1300 dogs and cats adopted a year. I could just see animal groups around the country going 'do you know how many animals we could spay and neuter for $2 million? I can't say I'm sorry, though. It's pretty cool that they can look at a 10 year old dog with huge tumors and say 'we can treat and adopt him' instead of putting him down, which would probably happen everywhere else in the country.
Vermicious Knid
Mar 22, 2004 @ 1:56 pm
The other big animal rescue organization in the NY area is the
North Shore Animal League, which I believe the ASPCA often works with. It just doesn't have the police powers or the national recognition. My sister got her cat there, polydactyl on all four paws, many years ago. He lived to be 18 or 19.
Isaboe
Apr 6, 2004 @ 1:20 pm
Miami was a new one last night. I'm getting kind of tired of watching the alligator guy. Yeah, I know there are a lot of them down there but can't they concentrate on the pets? One of the more grosser "recoveries". Some idiot left a dog in a car for 3 DAYS with no food or water and the windows rolled up. ICK! They never said if they caught them or not. The car seemed to be parked on a busy street. No one noticed the dog for 3 days? Poor dog.
arachne
Apr 13, 2004 @ 9:48 am
New Animal Precinct shows running this week. Still my favorite of all the animal cop shows.
Mostly happy endings last night. I was glad to see Popcorn (the dog with the dislocated hip) find a new home on Long Island, where I'm sure he'll be much happier. Hope someone
adopts Diane the black dog - surprised to see her so friendly after three years stuck on a rooftop.
Sad story about the thin dalmatian. I had to wonder, though, why her owner keeps her alive. She's ten years old with failed kidneys, how comfortable can she be? Would euthanasia be a kinder gesture?
Peanutbuttercup
Apr 13, 2004 @ 10:41 am
I agree about the Dalmatian, but I know that decision can be excruciatingly hard when it is your own pet. I kind of got the impression that someone had talked to the Dal's owner about putting her down, because he was saying very forcefully, I don't want to have her killed, I can't do it.