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Ms Chicklet
angryviewer:

why hasn't Guza been fired yet?


The only thing I can think of is that Frons likes goats and Guza's got the pictures to prove it.
annabell
[/QUOTE]If Pratt was behind it than I can only assume that whatever GH history that isn't dismissed comes from him[/QUOTE]

This is what I don't get, who do they think watches this show anyway. Isn't there a way to please the new viewers and the old? That's one of the things that got me watching again about 7 years ago. I flipped the channel and there was Monica, Alan, Bobbie, Luke, Edward, Lila ect..... yeah I thought the youger scene was interesting too but ulimately it was the smile I got seeing these old "friends" again. If not for them I probably wouldn't have gotten hooked again. Plus I was watching Sunset Beach at the time which was really starting to suck.

angryviewer did you watch the Liz rape clip? It shows foster.

eta don't know why my quote tags won't work properly, sorry.

eta also, I keep thinking NL must have nasty pictures of both Pratt and Guza.
LisaCRegal
oh Ms. Chicklet that is priceless. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
The Welsh Witch
AJ stole his own son - that Sonny stole from HIM - and all he did was brainwash him about Sonny's feelings. Sonny stole Michael, nearly got him and his siblings killed many times over, and turned him into a mini-mobster murderer and Sonny is a "great parent"


Sorry all, catching up on a couple of pages and wanted to comment on this. Couldn't it be argued that brainwashing Michael is exactly what Sonny and Carly have done all along? They've been telling him since before he could talk that his bio dad wanted nothing to do with him and never loved him. All lies. While the rational Welsh Witch knows that it's wrong to kidnap children, the Vigilante Justice Welsh Witch can't help but feel that AJ wasn't doing anything but trying to un-do the damage that Sonny caused in the first place.

Dickhead.
Oracle42
That's a very good point. They've always told that little boy that his bio dad didn't want him and didn't love him. They intentionally made him afraid of AJ.

I'd be willing to bet money that that never crossed the "minds" of the "writers" while they were coming up with this crap.

GH: Every day a new reason to hate.
tversky
Here's what I've heard about Guza and Pratt:
Guza is responsible for the misogyny and violence. As has already been noted - he LOVES the asexual hitman. I would attribute the homoerotic woman hatin' vibe between SaSon totally to him.

Pratt is a shallow T&A guy but at least he isn't perpetrating the violence and misogyny. That's Guza's specialty.
scorpion1116
Chiming in to say I watched the Liz tape, and just...wow. The sheer horror they were able to convey by good writing, good acting, or whatever it was, with half the graphic display of Em's ordeal. Admittedly a newer viewer to GH, I have a glimpse now of the days for which so many of you mourn. Most of the old clips I've watched just give a snippet, but this clip was long enough to tell something. I wish I had been a viewer all along. Well, maybe not, because I would probably be wedging myself into a seat on the barge. I don't know if Pruza wrote this or not, but I see a stark difference between then and now. Thanks to the poster who pasted the link.
Ms Chicklet
Carol Banks Webber has a great column on Sonny's empty words at Eye on Soaps.
Oracle42
It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

This show depresses me.
Ms Chicklet
Sonny haiku!

Greasy midget hood:
"Where's that damn whoreslutbitchtramp?"
Hate his greasy ass
lexdiva
Ms Chicklet, I love you so much I want to shoot you in the head right now!
Nyree
Didn't see it, but I'd guess the Liz rape was horrifying because back then, GH thought rape was horrifying.

This GH thinks rape is hot.

lexdiva - <dies>
queenbess
Thank you ever so much for finding that Liz rape clip and posting it here, wacked! I love you so much at this moment that I want to fling my coffee cup at you, you bitch!

It isn't even the same show anymore. I actually watched the entire 25+ minutes of that clip here at work, and something came out of my eyes. What are they? Could they be...tears? Evoked by a soap opera? I mean, I watched it the first time around, but watching it now and comparing...well, it's depressing.

Seriously. Flush this bitch.
Ms Chicklet
The irresponsible portrayal of rape and coping with it should not just slide by. This is beyond incompetence - this sends dangerous messages to viewers, especially young women. I say we get the jump on any gushing praise by/for this latest twist in Gigli by putting a bug in the ear of the soap press.

Soap Opera Weekly's Public Opinion:

SPWpubop@primediamags.com

Sound Off at SOD:

SODsound@primediamags.com

Carolyn Hinsey's It's Only My Opinion column:

sodopinion@aol.com
wacked
I agree, Ms. Chicklet (by the way I read La Revalution and I loved it)

I was thinking the other day of everything wrong with this story. She didn't seek medical help or a day after pill even though she is a med student. She refused to be tested for STD's, she refuses counselling, and now she is going to have her fiance dress up as her rapist so they can act out the rape??? WTF

GH used to be great at writing social issuses, and they used them to inform the viewing audience. AIDS, breast cancer, older rape stories, even if the characters didn't respond just as they should, it was always explained what they should've done, and they were shown as wrong in their actions. Thank you for the list of address I'll be writing some kind of e-mail to all of them.

GH: Every day a new reason to hate. (I love this Oracle!! Can I use it??)
BadToad
Well, for all the good it does, I emailed those 3 comment addresses. I made sure to not only point out how appalling this whole rape storyline has been, but also say how I think its long past time Emiwhiny/Nikowuss spent a bit of time on the backburner while Lucky and Elizabeth were allowed a little time in the forefront. It seems clear to me that the latter's airtime is sacrificed for the former's, and this is one of the many things GH needs to change.

Its impossible for me to comprehend. The ratings keep falling, or remain stagnant. They aren't attracting new viewers, and are losing viewers in droves, and yet they steadfastly refuse to change anything. In what bizarro universe does this make a lick of sense? Hell, if they attempt change, and they stay the same, then no harm, no foul, right?

Ah, but what am I saying, I forgot that this is supposed to be the summer of Maxiebelle and teen bridage. Oh yeah, that will bring them in droves. *RME*
Nyree
Ms. Chicklet, a year or so ago I would have been on board for letters of protest. But the "Target GH" campaign non-response, and how ABC allows Guza & GH to intensify their stupifyingly self-important, regressive "vision" tells me any kind of reaction is bad. They hate being ignored. They love to outrage and then shove in our face that they'll do it again and we can't do anything. Hasn't that been the pattern? I remember being outraged 2 years ago. Don't think enough sponsors or ABC daytime have real standards for daytime material. They expect it to be offensive crap.

To me, tumbleweeds rolling through the message boards, mail slacking off and 2.9 and dropping probably is more effective than letting them think they can still get the audience stirred up.
caseyg
I just have to say that Nikolas is the one that comes up with the brilliant idea to dress up like Connor, at least that's what I think. Normally, I would say that Nikolas is not that stupid...but he is the one that torched a basement standing inside of it...sooo
The Welsh Witch
God you guys, I just watched the Liz rape clip. That was amazing, thank you wacked for find that and sharing it with us. Every single actor totally brought it. Lucky is the only one that has been recast but really, Luke and Bobby are the ones that aren't even recognizable from that day to this one. Bobby isn't allowed more than one day bi-monthly and Luke is just a caricature now. Stupid hacks! Can't they see what a wealth of talent and depth these people are capable of?

That really made me long for Jonathan Jackson too. Nothing against our current Lucky, but he's more eye candy and not so much there for the "acting." JJ was a child prodigy. What's he doing now?

The first thing NL should have done before heading into the gigli script was watch that same clip. She even has BH there to help her. Obviously she's incapable of conjuring up the feelings of a rape victim on her own. Either that, or she went to SBu for coaching instead and came away with the blink-nod-blink method of showing distress. She's tossed a little bit of wrinkly grimace and hee-hee-ing to 'make it her own.' [/paula]
queenbess
The way Liz kept saying, "My shoe, it's broken, I can't get it back on, it's broken..."

And

"My gram's bracelet! I lost my gram's bracelet!"

Like facing these trivial things were so much easier than dealing with what had just happened to her. Which I totally bought. And Foster gently laying his head on the table across from her after Lucky told him to look out for her.

God, I'd forgotten how good Jonathan Jackson was. Tears in his eyes as he stood outside the door at the end! Sniff!
testadoda
well I am new to this place and I definately want a seat on the barge. I have been an AJ supporter since Billy became AJ. I am both sad and happy that its over. I am looking forward to trying to watch days again. I am happy that some of the characters have finally admitted what they did, and the way they treated AJ was wrong. OF course I am appaled at the Mikey killed AJ, but what else can you expect from the hacks. ?

I read MsChicklets La Revalution. That was absolutely a great read. I think you are needed at the hacks computers. Did they read it, Durant did say he was going to Alaska.?? .I loved it But I think it was to much to ask of Moronica to choose Aj this time.

I saw the rape. I remembered it from last time,RH can act, why do they insist of putting her in the back burner, or the blabber mouth. The rape story was done so truthfully. The shoe they shower, the covering of yourself. ..The stare in space. ...I think the reason I haven't liked Nick much was because he told Lucky that Luke raped laura, I remember that storyline as clearly as the dump AJ in the laundry basket. >>>They have made emily so unlikeable ,no one seems to feel her pain. The nic dresses up as conner, should push her over the edge, what do we get????

Do you need an invitation to the barge? do you swim out, or does a cabana boy row you across?

I like the way most of the posters think, I wish I could see any way to fix this mess.
Ms Chicklet
testadoda:

Do you need an invitation to the barge? do you swim out, or does a cabana boy row you across?


Usually a cabana boy is available for pickups at 3 p.m. and again right before the SoapNet airing. If you miss the pickup, by all means swim out. You can warm up with a cup of coffee at AJ's Coffeehouse and Tearoom.

Thanks for the nice words about La Revolution.

I agree about not feeling Em's pain. It's a combination of horrible characterization, incompetent writing, irresponsible storytelling and atrocious acting. You know it's bad when the hottest talking point of the storyline is about TC getting his head re-sodded. Ch-ch-ch-Chia Head!
AyannaD
Here's the latest Michael Logan column where he discusses the upcoming NuMaxie heart storyling.

In print it looks good but with Kristen Storm instead of Robyn Richard who a lot of people still identify as Maxis I'm sure it will lack punch. It also reminds me of the whole Emily cancer story being told with Natalia Livingston instead of Amber Tamblyn, and we all remember the bang up job Guza & Pratt did with that.

I know they'll screw this one up too. This summer on GH is gonna suck more than usual.
annabell
Sometimes I like to go over to the Soap Central sight and read the two scoops by Tamilu. I read it this morning and almost barfed. I don't usually agree with it but it is good for a laugh or two. It still baffles me how many people love the greasyone.
Oracle42
I just read the Tamilu thing. That was just awful. I had to go reread Coggie just to cleanse my mind of all the Sonny is a new minted saint crap.

Whatever, they're going to find out Michael didn't do it, Sonny is going to shrug go "never mind then" and we'll get another year of MobDesi
The Welsh Witch
I'm holding no hope whatsoever for the Maxie's heart upcoming storyline. They say that Felicia will be "frontburner" (yeah, sure) but nothing was mentioned about Mac, Tony, Bobbie, or Frisco. I know Frisco would be a long shot, but he DID come back when Maxie had the first transplant. However, excluding Bobbie and Tony from this storyline would be a tragedy.

As far as I know, Brad Maule went to another soap or is basically just not working at TFGH anymore, good for him. Despite Bobbie never having had an exit storyline, I don't really believe that she's still on the payroll either. I don't even recall the last time we saw her.. not even during the whole stupid ass kidnapping of her grandson.

How could Sonny possibly be a part of Maxie's heart failing? Otherwise, it's going to be given three scenes a week with shitty writing and the whole thing will be wrapped up pat by June with no suspense or emotion. Well, even if Sonny IS involved, we can still count on the lack of decent storytelling. That is one way these idiots are always consistent.

eta: read the Tamilu piece. Good grief. If I disagreed any harder I'd bust something.
annabell
Sonny kills him self in prison over the rejection of Bubba, meanwhile Maxie needs a new heart. Sonny's is a perfect match. They get to glorify Sonny and get rid of him at the same time. Everyone is happy. Hey, it makes about as much sense as all the other shit on this show. A girl can dream can't she. My Birthday is next week. Think I'll get my dream gift? NO MORE SONNY on my show.

I read that that TIIC finally realized all their girls look the same. NunuCarly is dying her hair back to blond.

[I]eta, not that I really want Maxie to have anything of Sonny's[I]

damn tags won't work.
CoolBreeze
It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.


To All,

Please refrain from using any portion of my writings when referring to that charmless, rancid tale commonly known as TFGH. That includes articles such as "the" and "a."

Sincerely,
William Shakespeare
Ms Chicklet
Holy mother of dog, that Tamilu piece was a steaming pile of corn-flecked poo.

Sonny does not have "faith." He treats God as if He were just another "businessman" who negotiates deals. Which means Sonny sees himself as God's equal. The idea of priests and nuns fawning over him and accepting his money, with no attempt to save his rotting black soul, is disgusting. They should be reminded of Mark 8:36:

For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?


He may have said the right words about he - and Jason - being responsible for Michael becoming a murdering little tyrant, but he does not back these words up with deeds. If he knows he made Michael this way, why isn't he pushing to get the kid help first and foremost? If he can confess to a murder he didn't commit, why doesn't he confess to the murders he has orchestrated and ordered, starting with the Good Friday Massacre? He's nothing but a cowardly, self-righteous narcissist. When this is over and Alexis and John have been properly spat upon, Sonny will smugly accept praise as the best father evah, and the truth he spoke will be forgotten in another round of fluffing Sonny and MB's fragile little ego.
vildachaia
But Bill - do you mind if I call you Bill? - it's just so appropriate.

Welsh Witch: It would absolutely make sense for Tony Jones to be affected by B.J.'s heart revisited. That's why he's moving to Texas.
Oracle42
But Bill - do you mind if I call you Bill? - it's just so appropriate.

I couldn't help but quote him, I was charmed by the how very apt it was - especially the idiot part.

Anything worth watching today? Tracy/Luke, Liz/Lucky, Skye/Lo, a Q sighting, any decent Jason/Sam?
The Welsh Witch
I was looking around online to see if any studious soul out there has kept a tally of how many people Sonny has murdered. It was Tamilu's comment on the injustice of Sonny sitting in jail for a murder that he didn't commit that stuck in my craw. Anyway, I didn't find a number but I did find an amusing rant at this site that is undated but seems to be from right around when Courtney was new and Big Kristina hadn't blown up yet. Ages ago folks, and yet could have been written today and applied to the current state of this steaming pile.

Vildachaia, there was an interesting link on the page with your Brad Maule news. They're encouraging us to bitch to the FCC over the Michael storyline. They might like to note our unhappiness with Umily's "therapy" too. Since we're writing letters to all the soap weeklys, why not send one to the government as well?
angryviewer
So after watching today's show, I'm starting to be convinved that the writer who puts Alan's lines on paper is a Sonny hater of course, there are a lot of accusations coming out of Alan's mouth that make him look like an idiot, but I forgive him.

Alan: Well I guess I can save us the next few steps. We know what Jason's gonna say, that AJ was a dispecable, miserable human being who deserved to die.

Monica: Alan, you will stop right now, or I will rip your tongue out of your throat.

Jason: I don't want you to listen to Alan, he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Alan: I understand all too well. I'm not gonna sit here and ljust watch you pour poison into this little boy's head while you anoint St Sonny. He killed your father and he killed my son.

The rest of the show, Skye looked hot today and her and Lo make a very fetshing couple. And then there was some back and forth snark going between Tracy and Luke.

To weigh in on the whole Maxie heart issue. It just seems to me that the regime is trying to break a story that is still very remembered and talked about by a lot of people because it was just one of those things that sticks with us because of the magnitude of the tragedy. If Maxie gets a new heart, then it's a clear break between the show back then and the show now and it will have destroyed one of the last "vestiges" of the old GH. And the way things are put right now, I don't think it leaves a lot of doubt where things are headed with that storyline. BJ's heart will be gone and with it the story that made Maxie who she was. I think it will be a very sad day when that happens.

ETA for Oracle. No JaSam today. Luke and Tracy scenes towards the end of the show with Lorenzo and Skye and then alone, drinking together. Luke and Skye did have a few scenes before that. Alan and Monica scenes, one of them with Skye, then Alan and Monica with Michael before Jason showed up at the mansion.
Ms Chicklet
I'm not gonna sit here and ljust watch you pour poison into this little boy's head while you anoint St Sonny.


Jason is such an insufferable, self-righteous ass. I am so sick of hearing the pronouncements from this judgemental rat-faced murderer who demands unquestioning acceptance of his despicable life as a conditition of his desperately sought approval.
angryviewer
I was just reading the GH chat from SOD/SOW today and the moddy said that Reginald was coming back this sweeps

I'm really scared of hoping.
skyegazer
Monica: Alan, you will stop right now, or I will rip your tongue out of your throat.


*Copkillaeyeroll* That's even worse then the time Umily said; "But, Dadsy, you and Mummy can't get a divorce, you love eachother".

Alan: Jason killed A.J.

Umily: You bastard! I hope mom does leave you!!
Oracle42
Thanks for the link Welsh Witch Who knew it could get worse?

At this point I almost want GH to get cancelled. I'd get to watch reruns on SoapNet and I'm pretty sure MB would be unemployed for the rest of his life.
lexdiva
How could Sonny possibly be a part of Maxie's heart failing?


She could have an allergic reaction to the SuperSperm.
The Welsh Witch
Hmmm. Well, dying from the SuperSperm is NOT the worst thing that could happen to a girl. Sex with that man includes a certified guarantee of pregnancy and likely miscarriage at the hands of the Rockin' Awesome Baby Hatin' Association of Staircases and Rare Diseases. Besides, chances of a live SuperSperm birth are 2 out of 5, daily average subject to change like the prime interest.
Stachay
Just watched the LizRape clip posted by wicked (grazie!) - I had forgotten that this show used to move me and make me cry - sitting at home, watching these scenes, I shook and sobbed.

So that puts me officially on the barge - I didn't have the extreme hatred of Sonny and Jason that some do, (in fact, there was a time that I actually LIKED the Borg!), but I'm just totally fed up with the whole show. To ignore Bobby, Liz, Luke, and all the other vets to the extent that that TIIC have, well, I'm going to turn over to ATWT and GL - and this from a twentyfive years plus viewer! The few new characters that I've seen introduced the last few years (Dillion, YummyLorenzo, Ric, Skye) just aren't worth this pain...

*splash*

Viva la Revolucion!
IAmBabs
Does the NuMaxie story sound familiar to anyone?
Think about it:
New actress takes over role original actress grew up in. Immediately given major health issue tied into her history


That is exactly what happened when NuEmily arrived.

And one more thing, do they really think this is the kind of show 12-17 year olds want to see?

And for this we can get no Liz and Lucky.:(
The Welsh Witch
I want to see Liz and Lucky even more now, after having watched that clip. I had forgotten what they, and the show, used to be like. I can get over not having Jonathan Jackson in the role, but for goodness sake they need to give GV an opportunity to grow into the role. He's done perfectly fine with what they've given him (a lot of which was coma work) but if we never get to see Liz and Lucky interact we will never be convinced that they are anything to each other. Hey Guza, you fucktard, don't tell me. Show me.
Ms Chicklet
The Welsh Witch:

they need to give GV an opportunity to grow into the role


Yes, this. I think he and TG would work well together. He needs his own identity outside of NUM. Let him and Luke have an adventure - on-screen. Let's see the resourceful, smart, angle-playing side of Lucky come out. Lucky took care of himself and was his dad's right-hand man during his globe-trotting childhood. He lived in a boxcar for a while. Give us some of that Lucky.
annabell
So this is at least day 7 with no Liz/Lucky. They had zero scenes together last week, maybe one the week before and none today. So much for the big reunion. I just pretend they are getting some romance off screne.

When Jason told Mikey that "killing is bad, but you are not bad" I half expected Michael to say "then what do you and daddy mean when you say you are going to take care of someone?"

I would have enjoyed the Alan scenes more if I didn't suspect when he find's out Mikey and not Sonny killed AJ, he'll have to eat crow. Assbackwards I tell ya.
skyegazer
When Jason told Mikey that "killing is bad, but you are not bad" I half expected Michael to say "then what do you and daddy mean when you say you are going to take care of someone?"


Or "then why do you do it, uncle Jason?"
The Welsh Witch
[/I]Something else about Michael Logan's Soapzone article:

Like a lot of GH vets, Wagner fell out of favor when ABC turned the soap into a mob drama years ago.


I have a big, fat problem with this. TFGH is not a "mob drama." We don't know anything about the mob except that they run it under the guise of coffee bean importing. We rarely see anything of the "business", we just hear Jason telling Sam that he's off to take care of some, or we hear Sonny telling (insert current fucktoy here) to go upstairs so he can shop talk with Jason. On a couple of rare occasions, we saw a meeting of the crime bosses. But even that doesn't tell us anything, it's only been to show us that these other random kingpins all inexplicably lick Sonny's ass too. Just like everyone else. Talk about exciting!

No, this isn't a mob drama. The show could be better argued as a custody court drama. Or an unchecked procreation drama. Sure, there are accidental pregnancies and family law stuff on all the soaps, but elsewhere the storylines revolve around a cast of people. Not just one paunchy, over-sexed, speech impaired chauvenist pig.

ETA annabell is right. Take away everywhere that I used the word "drama" and replace it with "farce."
annabell
Lately I would call it a comedy , since when I watch I have two choices, laugh or cry, I prefer to laugh.
Ms Chicklet
According to the SoapNet synopsis:

Jason tries to alleviate Michael's guilt. Michael insists that Jason take him to the police station.


So we're also getting Copkilla 2: Electric Bugaloo. Pity Zander isn't around to frame again.
annabell
More on the Maxie spoiler paraphrased
Maxie comes home with a infection in her heart and needs another transplant. She doesn't want to give up Bj's heart so Felicia forges her signature on the heart transplant papers.

Even Kristina Wagoner was suprised by the storyline, because the show has changed so much since the BJ's heart storyline. isn't that putting it politely.
Ambrosefolly1
I HATE GUZA! I HATE GUZA! I HATE GUZA! I want to get a gang of people, light a bunch of torches, carry pitch forks and wave burning effiges of Guza. Then I want to drag out Guza by his tounge and beat him. With what I don't know, but lets start with that handy burning torch I'll be carrying and lets get creative. They really are using the history as toliet paper, only there to prop and drive their own substandard storytelling. First they take one of the definitive moments in GH history as aside to NUm's fucked up story (bitch needed to speak to an "expert", then why didn't she have a heartfelt talk with Liz, the rape victim who wanted to talk to her.) When I ever imagined someone bring up the rape to Luke, I'd imagine Lulu doing it, but it is the intentional hurt him. None of the wilting matyr bullshit.

Now they are going to throw away BJ's heart. BJ's HEART!!!! I mean literally. When it finally dies will they bury it with BJ.

On Dylan Clash's recent 4 year contract after the recent kidnapping:I'm pissed because they didn't do the same thing for Robyn Richard's after being one of the few good things about last years CE. Her ass gets back burned until Lila's tribute when TIIC asked her to clean out her dressing.
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