My tivo just screwed up and changed the channel half way through tonights episode!!!! Can someone post what happened. Who was the murderer? And why did he have smooth skin? Thanks!

I saw the '98 rape case one. I got hooked in with "How's It Gonna Be" by Third Eye Blind. I also loved the Cranberries song, but wouldn't that have been more 1995? Anyways, the music is totally my hook, and I'm also into true crime stories and the fact that this is set in Philly. 1998 feels too recent though...they definitely saved on wardrobe for this 'cause most stuff that was popular in '98 is still pretty popular. Except for like capris.

If they continue with the "ripped from" storylines, I think they should do Anne Marie Fahey. She was a thirtyish woman who got involved with Thomas Capano, who was this total big-shot lawyer in Wilmington, Delaware. In June of 1996, Anne went missing, and eventually they convicted him of her murder. The tv movie on it was weird though...they changed her from being Jewish to being Catholic.

Yep, I saw the serial rapist one too. I loved the gentle manner in which Lilly talked to the victims. She's really good at empathizing with others, as seen in this episode and also in Sherry Darlin'.

About that rapist's letter ----- was he bragging about himself, or was that a cry for help? It seemed toward the end that he knew what he was doing was wrong, and that he wanted to stop it (i.e. by joining the army), but couldn't control himself, so he put the matters in the police's hands.

This is a tad off-topic, but Anne Marie Fahey was Roman Catholic--her Irish name is not for nothing.

Here's an article about Danny Pino if anyone's interested.

Pino Is a Reason to Watch Cold Case.

whats with the photo for the guy who plays Vera on imdb? he looks a lot thinner than the guy on the show.

Up agaist L&O CI this week... If only replay tv could record two shows at once

This week was a rerun of Gleen. I found it to be very predictable ---- I already knew who was the killing before the halfway mark. I liked the song at the end, however.

Yes, it's true that we knew who the murderer was about half way through but I'm okay with that. I get tired of all the contrived twists L&O:Original goes through now. Sometimes it's okay to just know who the murderer is and watch the process of how he/she gets caught. In fact, Columbo was built around that premise. I find the acting and writing engaging enough that it's okay if I know who the murderer is before the last five minutes of the show.

ITA, heck if this was L&O or for that matter SVU the cops would've probably ended up going after the makers of the "Gleen" detergent.

I loved the Gleen ep...the daughter looked really rough for a 25-year old, though. Most of the 25-ish people I know still pass for college age. Total eclipse of the Heart totally had me.

I liked that it wasn't some out of nowhere criminal twist like they usually do on shows like this...

LMAO



Agreed. She looked 30ish instead of 25 to me, and that horrible hair! The little girl who played 5-year-old Gwen was cute though.

I think it can chalked up to her having a very tough life growing up. I wouldn't be all that surprised if Gwen made some rather poor personal choices over the years. (ie drugs) I did like the actress though, I remember her from her recurring rule on the Shield as a drug addicted hooker, she can "messed up" people pretty well.

I love this show, don't care about the ripped from the headlines stuff, and don't care that cops couldn't get aways with some of Lilly's actions in the real world. I don't want reality, I want fiction.

I love a lot of the gender based issues... like for instance Lilly saying to a rape victim/witness "Vera isn't a neanderthal, he just looks like one". And, of course, when her new partner hooks up with his old boss:
Old boss: So you're partnered with a woman. Political case?
New partner: No, she is a great detective!
Old boss: blah blah blah new subject.
(ok, paraphrasing, but you get the point...)
It was a really excellent scene. Yes, she's in a man's world, yes there's talk that she doesn't deserve to be in her position, that it's just affirmative action, but yes a man can "defend" her and move on to the next subject, thus making it a non-issue.

The writing is not always excellent (like her insistence on going to that old boy's club cop bar and pissing people off) but I do love how they drop things here and there but keep moving along with the main plot. And, I love that they didn't make her the cold case person cause she's a woman or something like that. They show she really fell into it cause of personality, and actually it seems that she's continuing with new cases but just deals with the cold ones as they come up (got that impression for some reason an ep or two ago).

There's few powerful strong women on tv, imo (well written ones anyway). Plus I like that she was drinking hard liquor, it's a nice throwback to the good old boy cop shows. Even Jack on LnO keeps a bottle of scotch in his desk drawer. All they need to show is that Lilly doesn't have a screwed up love life and I'll be happy ;)

[/QUOTE]I remember her from her recurring rule on the Shield as a drug addicted hooker[QUOTE]

I knew I'd seen her before! She was also on a couple eps of Fastlane as an art thief/murderer.

Agreed.

I love Lilly's character in this show and how it is written. She manages to be strong, powerful, yet without having to lose her feminism, or, worse yet, turn into Charlie's Angels where the women are supposed to be "fighters," yet they're actually just blatant sexually-objectified bimboes.

A bit like CSI and L&O, this show is heavier on the cases than on the characters, which is a good thing (since ER has completely stopped being about the medicine and has become a soap opera of sorts), but I do hope we will get to learn more about Lilly and her mother, who was introduced in Fly Away.

I feel like I'm the only person who ever posts in this thread, but anyway ...

Really enjoyed this week's case, with its surprising twist at the end. I had been convinced that Barry was the killer. I take back what I said earlier about this show being predictable.

Lilly and ADA Kite: I only hope the show won't lose focus of the cases and spend too much time with the lovelives.

Scotty: We're getting a bit more backstory here, I think. He mentioned "knowing" someone with schizophrenia.

Do we get another new episode next week?

But she needs to get laid more than any other person on TV so it's a good thing.

I knew the guy from Once & Again did it from the second I saw him.

I watched it; I did guess who the killer was, and that he'd hired someone to kill Lenore; I was sure after the scene where Lilly seemed so taken with him. I don't mind though; better than adding in pointless twists.

I'm really a fan of Lilly, but then I like the abrasive type....ahem. not sure how I feel about the ADA who kissed her. I yelled 'WHY ARE YOU SNOGGING ON MY CRIME SHOW??' when it first happened, but I can deal with it, hee.

edited because 'why he's done it' is not English.

Oh! You're so right; I knew he looked familiar. Ew, creepy.

This episode felt a little too ripped-from-the-headlines for me. Then again, I'm a total sucker and was expecting that the professor would be innocent.

For whatever reason, I find myself getting more caught up in the episodes from deeper in the past -- maybe because the musical choices are more interesting? The first episode I saw was the one with "Runner! Runner!" and the ending, when the two women are brought together, was beautiful. I think that's been my favorite so far. Next week's looks interesting, though.

I've been trying hard not to get too involved in this show -- must watch less TV, not more -- but I like Lilly. A lot. I'm shallow, and she's hot. In my less shallow moments (which are rare), I like how tough her character is.

Also, maybe I'm oversensitive, but I found the kissing scene tonight sort of skeevy and the kisser really pushy. Or maybe I just don't like kissing people who are clearly not into it. And I don't think "c'mon, it's over in three seconds" is a great advertisement for, y'know, much of anything...

There were a couple of things about this week's episode that stuck out to me.

First off, that Ophelia painting is rather famous. As soon as the two pictures of the bodies were put up, I pegged the professor. And although the team notes that the poses are similar, not one of them bothers to find out what the source of the pose might be. Duh. Hello, gang, it's a clue.

Also, you know, there are faster ways of finding a quote from Shakespeare than having five people sitting around skimming through the plays. Like the Harvard's Concordance to Shakespeare. Or even more simply, an exact word net search. Or calling the reference librarian at the public library.

Considering the fact that in the last decade or so there have been two major film productions of Hamlet, I found their complete ignorance pushing it a bit. But I won't harp on that too much, since I am an English major who loves Shakespeare, and who considers Hamlet her fave play.

I agree the kisser was really pushy. I hate the common TV contrivance where someone isn't interested, but then the other person's pursuing makes them so. Actually, it was kind of an interesting contrast to what Barry said, when he was himself pushing too hard but it clearly didn't get results...yeah, I think too hard.

When they were all looking through Shakespeare plays, I kept muttering, "Has nobody here heard of *Google*?" Hmph.

OK, I called the professor being the killer pretty early in the show. It was when they went to the kids apartment and the then talked to the hooker. Just seemed too tidy. I figured the professor knew the kids obsession with Holly and figured out he could frame him for the murder by killing the hooker they way he did Holly.

Which brings up a point. How in the world did he kill Holly without anyone seeing and then have the time to lay her out in the water getting his pants wet and no one notice he was gone and wet when he came back to the party? And why would he lay her out like that knowing he would be the first suspect being the professor and all? Kinda lame storyline.

I watched for the first time this week simply to see Jeffrey Nordling, aka the guy from Once and Again. I must say he looked pretty scrumptious, both in the "young" flashbacks to 1994 and in the present-day story, where they greyed his hair a bit. Not that crazy about the show itself -- the detective characters all seem pretty bland, and the woman playing the lead is a horrible actor.

Some other OandA connections: Jan Oxenberg was credited as co-executive producer. Jan was a producer/writer for OandA, scripting season one's "A Dream Deferred" among other episodes. Also, Jeffrey's character remarked that a certain incident made him think he'd found his "one-armed man." The detective replied "So now you're Richard Kimball." These lines, of course, refer to "The Fugitive." Jeffrey's OandA ex-wife, Sela Ward, played Kimball's wife in the movie version with Harrison Ford.

Has this ever happened to you? You're watching a crime procedural pretty closely, you get distracted during the last act, and then they're slapping the cuffs on the criminal and you missed what led them to him.

Well, that's what happened to me last night. I swear I watched 57 minutes of the show, but missed the three minutes that explained what Lily was talking about before she said to the Prof, "only the murderer could have known that." I even saw the flashback of Creepy Prof. Could someone help me out?

Also: it does seem to precipitate a lot in Philly during these slo-mo perp walks, does it not? And Lily never seems to have an umbrella or a hat.

I wonder what the Philadelphia PD's policy on sick days are, becuase we all know Lilly's bound to catch a cold one day.

I am so with you, MyopiaGirl. Although they must frequently use VICAP, no one is able to utilize the internet on this show.

And Lilly can't wear a hat because if she did, no one would notice how truly bad her hair looks. I've realized that's integral to this show. If Lilly doesn't have good hair, people will think she's not vain and is too busy to nicely style what could be an asset. My opinion is that Kathryn Morris should chop it off, a la her days on Xena. That was a great haircut.

Oh, I meant to say to the person who posted about Anne Marie Fahey-- that would be an interesting show (even though the case never went cold), and connection, since Kathryn Morris played the victim in the creepy tv movie. Then her hair was REALLY short. I always like to bring it back to the hair.

"Only the murderer could have known" how the body was posed because these details were never released to the public and the guy he hired would not of known about the Ophelia painting.


I assumed he posed her like that in the hope the kid would be blamed the first time.

ETA Yes he hired the tatooed guy to kill the prostitute for $6.000.00 but only paid half which was why the guy took the earring. He was one of his ESL students.

Thank you! I must have missed more than I thought because "the guy he hired" (I assume we're talking about the Prof hiring someone?) is not ringing a bell to me. Was that the tattooed guy who tried to pawn the belly ring?

Another thing that struck me about that show (and really, any crime show) -- good looking crop of prostitutes they're growing up there in Philly. The ones I've seen look pretty...tired.

moppet, tattooed guy was hired by the English prof to kill victim #2, thus ensuring that the professor would be in class that night and have an airtight alibi.

What was up with Rush's reaction to Kite's kiss? I've been pondering whether that was an "ick" or a "hmmm, interesting" reaction. To me, she looked irked that he would do that. I loved her walking backwards into the trashcan, because that is completely something I would do :)

Anyone catch Kathryn Morris on People's Choice? I was watching solely to see whether SVU would win for best drama, and she was on as a host. I wish she'd make her hair a bit more even (both color & cut)...it looks kinda weird now.

I totally got a "not so sure I liked that" vibe off the kiss. And thanks, now I'm totally up on the 15 minutes I apparently blanked on, I really appreciate it.

Totally shallow comment: Mom and I were watching and I said, "why aren't they showing more then-and-now flashbacks? I really like them." Then they did the little flashback when Evil Prof was talking about postmodernism, and I was like, "oh, thanks." But he didn't look different enough to me. I mean, it was only 9 years before. I think Lily has to start investigating more 70s and 80s crimes.
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No!!! I really love it when they do cases set in the 1990's, like the '98 rapist or the '97 hitchhiker or the '91 "Gotta Have Faith" people...it's cool when they do that, because they get more people they can play both the "flashback" and current people. Plus, I love 90's nostalgia! I'm such a total child of the 90's.

This episode hooked me in with the music...I was 9 in May of '95, and so it brought me back. I liked how Holly wasn't like this perfect matryr, but you could still tell she was a decent girl who just needed to grow up a bit. I was taken aback...I totally thought the killer was Schizo Boy, but it was a nice little twist.

Now, on to the period aspect of it...I LOVE the 90s! From Holly's hair to her sundress, she was totally rocking the mid-1990's. The Evil Prof was hot...murderer or not. I liked the polo shirts they had on '95 Schizo Boy...felt pretty period. Then of course, the music. Whatever the opening song was, I loved it! Then of course, Lisa Loeb's "Stay" and the ending with "Wonder Wall" by Oasis totally rocked.

I hope they set more stories in the 90's. Bring on the 90's retro!

Ah, this may just be the difference in our ages...I was born in 1971, so that cop murder episode really spoke to me. To me, the 90s isn't "retro..." it's just when I got out of college and started working.

But then, no episode has moved me as much as that gay murder story, and that was before BOTH our times. So there's room for all of us!

Okay...I gotta second moppet here. The '90's aren't retro. That was just yesterday, man. Or I'm just old.

I liked this episode, but Jeff Nordling is so good at playing the slime that I never believed that the killer would be anyone but the professor.

If the nineties are retro ... I am officially old too. I was just out of college nine years ago. The music, the lecherous professor, even the stalker college student reminded me of my own college years. I knew people who fit those types even if no one was ever murdered when I was there. I miss grunge. I miss flannel. I miss being self-important and certain that the establishment had screwed up the world (still am, but now I have bills to pay and can't shoot my mouth off to them.)

I like the actor who played the prof, whatever his name is. Wasn't he on Keen Eddie for awhile? He can play a sleaze just as easily as he can play charming and funny. I didn't really expect him to be the murderer. For some reason I thought it would be a surprise ... maybe the dark-haired woman who'd known Holly and had been the previous year's lover.

Poor Lilly, trying to sidestep the lawyer's amorous intentions. She seems to be totally uninterested in him and uncomfortable as hell with anything of a personal nature. I'd like to see the ex who beat her (if that's actually true) come out of the woodwork at some point. It would be fun to see her deal with a cold case from her own past, as long as it doesn't become a cliche.

You might be confusing Jeffrey Nordling, who was a regular on Once and Again, with Mark Valley, who guest-starred on OandA a few times (as Will Gluck, the handyman who was interested in Judy) and then starred as Keen Eddie. Nordling was never on the latter show.

It was "Don't Look Back In Anger" by Oasis, not "Wonderwall"

Yeah, I know...whoops...lol. I was talking to my friend Josh, right? And he was like, "You're the retro 90's kid." And it kinda makes sense that the 90's are retro now...1999 was five years ago, 1990 was fourteen. So that's why I love the whole '90's nostalgic vibe a lot of shows seem to having with their music right now. It's great to hear stuff like "Stay" and "Don't Look Back In Anger" or "How's It Going to Be" played on tv shows again.

Anyways, I really honestly wish they'd fix Kathryn's hair. It's so freaking awful.

I was born in the seventies, became a teenager in the eighties and became a twentysomething in the nineties. It seems all these cases to me are pretty old. The tattoo guy played a drug dealer on Nip/Tuck last year and he had a penchant for the eighties (music) especially in the season finale. I have to admit the professor was pretty diabolical. If only he had payed the full amount, the guy wouldn't have taken the belly ring.

Good news: Cold Case has been renewed for next year by CBS.

Interesting episode I must say. I found it amusing that Lilly was cat person. Or for that matter an handicapped cat person.

That's great! Too bad The Handler might not make it. I thought it was funny when Stillman and the others sat on the corner and just flashed their badges and said "no drugs today" to stoppers by.

Looks like Kite and Rush are getting closer together. At least he didn't run out screaming when he saw the one eyed cat.

It would have been too easy to blame the African American kids for the little boy's death. I had my eye on Murphy from the beginning but I missed the call on the professor last week.

I thought that was interesting too - I liked it - Lilly does seem like the type that would take in the wounded stray that no one else would help and give it a second chance, kinda like these cases.

Was anyone else bothered by the whistling Titanic-like music that played whenever they showed the little boy?

I had a feeling the store owner did it when they did the first interview with him. Did the older black man remind anyone else of Chris Rock? Just me then...

I suspected Murphy, too, but couldn't think of a reason for him to kill a kid. Even when it was explained, it seemed a bit implausible, but then, I haven't experienced that kind of rabid racism. Very scary.

I LOVE that Lily has special needs cats!! I'm also a cat person, volunteer at a shelter, etc., so I can identify with that. And it makes sense with her character. She's tough, but she cares. At work, she finds overdue justice for people who have been killed and brings some peace to their families. At home, she gives security and love to cats who've had hard lives. Neither deserved to be wronged, and she does what she can to make things better.

I'm very glad they've renewed the series, but I'm fervently hoping for a change in her hairstyle next season. It's beyond awful!

I've been busy lately, so this was the first new ep I've caught in a couple of months. Really enjoyed the episode tonight. Call me easily amused, but the "No Drugs Tonight" bit was hilarious. Couldn't stop laughing whenever they flashed their badges at all the suburbanites shopping for drugs. And I love me some Lilly! The show has definately found its footing after a somewhat uneven start and the search for the right actor/partner.

Me, too, on all of this. I really am liking this show. It's rather melodramatic, but hey, I don't always mind. The end sequences always make me cry, but then I'm a person who gets very affected by music, so there's that.

I love Lily, and I even like her crappy hairstyle. (Well, not 'like' as in 'I want that hair', but she wouldn't be the same character if it were GOOD hair..heh.)

I am so with you on that! I was surprised when I saw the cats (mainly because it reminded me that we never knew Lil had cats in the episode titled "Useless Cats," in which single women with cats were being raped), but only for a split second. Adopting differently abled (hee) cats seemed right up her alley, as well as letting them sleep with her in bed. I also found myself warming to Kite-- he backed off when he was supposed to, and that earned him points.

I really liked learning about Stillman. I enjoy all of the supporting male cops for varying reasons, but Stillman has that father figure feel for me, and his affection for his daughter and disappointment at the loss of his marriage made me like him all the more. I think he's got a good face, and that they used his voice with the actor who played him young was a nice touch.

Count me in as another fan of No Drugs Today. I cracked up!

My favorite part: the Genesis song at the end, Follow You, Follow Me. That's always been my favorite Genesis song, and that it played along with a very tender final sequence hit just the right note for me. I loved this ep!

Me too. I was pretty sure Murphy was the one, as soon as I saw him in the teaser, though I was a little thrown off by the mom for about 5 seconds.

I am rooting for Kite too. How cute was that exchange between him and Lilly, with the fries?

I'm glad that we are getting more backstory on these characters. We know about Lilly's mom and we got to see she's a cat person. Now we also know some more about Stillman's past.

I was so taken with the "No Drugs Tonight" schtick that I had to pause the episode (on DVR), march out to the living room and force my boyfriend to stop playing his video game while I explained how "Cold Case" was bringing the funny. Unfortunately, I found that it is not as funny when described. But I still loved it.

I've missed a few episodes here and there--does anybody have any idea what the two pictures are that are slotted into Lilly's mirror frame? Like Kite, I'm more than a little ready to find out a few of her secrets.

As for the MotW--I love the show, but sometimes the multiple layering of tragedy gets to me--how they manage to show how ruined the lives are of everyone related to the original crime. The father and mother go for years dancing around the mother's guilt over wishing for fewer "burdens"; two mothers lose their sons; Stillman loses his marriage; even the priest who has carried a terrible secret for decades, only to be accosted in his retirement and accused immediately of pedophilia. All of it is so sad, and sometimes the ending montages with the uplifting music and the resulting cathartic tears aren't really leaving me with the "now it's okay and we can all move on until next Sunday" feeling.

Great minds think alike! I definitely got a "Titanic" vibe from that music.

Loved the "No drugs tonight" bit. I could see Sully or Bosco doing that on Third Watch.

I also knew it wasn't the black teens or the priest, I just couldn't figure out a motive for the store clerk.
I liked that it was Stillman who saw the image of the little boy this time. Good call on that one, rather than it being Lily.

It's meant to sound Irish (as was the music in Titanic) for the racist Irish American store owner and the little Irish American boy. It's the pennywhistle.