Is there a website with Chlois theories and stuff? Or would someone like to explain cause I don't see how Clark would forget who Lois was when he already met her.

Ok, theory....Lex isn't teh dumb evol. He created Brainiac to trick Clark over the darkseide to be his queen. Brainiac only thinks he's from Krypton. Really he's from radioshack (with some added extras that Lex installed for his pleasure).

Oh no! That means he'll break in three months! Maybe he's from Circuit City or Best Buy.

I don't know from American stores....maybe he's from a specialist hot robot shop called Lovebot Shack?

If you buy him before Christmas the Lovebot Shack will include a free 12oz bottle of his special black oil lube. :)

There should definitely be oil of some kind involved.

So, will Brainiac be better at being an evol tutor than Maggie Walsh I wonder?

That'd be cool. Then ProFine can raid Level 3 and create his own Initiative full of meteor freaks. That'd kinda rock or at least be no worse than last season.

Some points were made in the Spoilers thread on the future of Clex.

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Actually, my two cents were (and the reason why I've really cottoned on to smallvillefanatic's theory) is that this love/hate dynamic would explain some discrepencies and add a new dimension to the Superman/Clark/Lex relationship. That is, if the writers choose to go this route.

Let's say that, by the end of the show, the writers don't insult our collective intelligence and Lex knows that Clark is/will be Superman. But he doesn't hate Clark, he hates Superman. Why? After all, Clark is the real identity and Superman is the act. But then, for SV Lex, it's all about what Superman stands for - Clark's alienness. From Lex's POV, it would seem that Clark destroyed their friendship in order to keep the secret of his alien origin, a secret that Clark later reveals to the entire world in the form of Superman. Remember, the big ole thing on Smallville isn't that Superman is Clark Kent, it's that Clark Kent is special. Lex is going to be pissed.

Superman becomes both a symbol and an obsession for Lex (like his CoCK), as well as a way to objectify his former friend into something unhuman - an alien, an "it." And since Superman's not really Clark, just the symbol of Clark's secrets and lies that Lex can project his hate unto, there's no reason for him to reveal Clark's identity or hurt Clark's friends/family.

As for Clark, who dislikes his Kryptonian origin and his powers, why would he ever decide to create a costume that pays homage to it? Why not just fight crime masked, in all black, and during the night? Well, if he's going to go around fighting people he doesn't want to hurt (like Lex), he'd probably want to create a whole other persona so it'd be easier for him to deal with the fact that he's going to be sending his former best friend off to jail every so often. I would love a scene where Clark says something along the lines of "I can't fight Lex, but maybe Kal/Superman can."

Oh, and I can totally see that when Clark gets a job with the Daily Planet and becomes Lex's harshest critic, it'll be a natural (and more reasonable) extension of his stomping-into-the-mansion-and-making-accusations routine.

Or maybe not. The whole thing's speculation, really.

I actually commented on this in the bitterness thread regarding the Clex but where else can the Clex go? If this show does continue for multiple seasons, and they're at the place they are now which is pretty much hatred, are we just going to have more scenes of Lex just staring at his laptop until Clark comes to yell at him? I'm already tired of it in Season 5 and I can't imagine 2 more seasons of them pretty much estranged.

I'm not sure if it'll be a love/hate relationship so much as a relationship of convenience for the writers. (And perhaps by extension, the characters too.) I haven't seen enough "love" in the Clex in the past couple of seasons to make me believe that either of them would cling to any past shreds of their friendship while going toe to toe. But Clark will still need favors and Lex will still need rescuing so they're going to be in each other's orbits.

Well, they will need to elminate the problem of Mortal and shift blame from Lex to another party.

Brainiac's a shape shifter and a super-computer so he's the most logical choice.

From the point Clark discovers this, he needs to be a man and apologize for going off half-cocked, (Yeah, yeah, I know. Insert your own double entendre here.) and Lex could acknowledge that his past transgressions helped push Clark's paranoia.

Once they bury the hatchet, they could build a rivalry built on mutual respect. Of course, that would mean vastly improving Clark and Lex's intellect, as they battle one another with Clark trying to expose Luthorcorps Black Ops projects, and Lex trying to hide/manufacture new projects in an attempt to catch Clark using his abilities (without the whole threatening the family thing). Updating his security with cameras and forensic experts (to catch Kryptonian fingerprints or loose hairs) would be a start.

Clark would still be trying to talk Lex out of the more dangerous/irresponsible projects that posed a potential danger to the community, and Lex would likely view the mental chessmatch with Clark as a game.

Oh my god! Clark and Lex as the wolf and sheepdog in those old cartoons! They show up at the pasture, being friendly to each other, then clock in and the enmity starts. Wolf does his job of hunting the sheep and the sheepdog does his job of trying to stop him. At the end of the day, they clock out and are on friendly terms again. I think I'd enjoy Lex and Clark as Ralph and Sam, acknowledging each other's roles, although with the wolf winning some of the time.

Thats something that I've been thinking about...Lex really shouldnt be hating Clark Kent. He hates Superman, but there is no Superman/boy on Smallville--so Clark Kent needs another "identity" Lex could've focussed on (to take the relay from just curiosity about Clark being special).
Sometime during season 2, when they introduced the caves, they really should've done more with the Naman and Seegeth thing.
Like, believing he was Seegeth, Lex should've started looking for Naman and that could've become his obsession...and maybe Clark is Naman or etc.



Well, ideally (ahem) and logically (ahemahem) the origins and Krypton'll be more or less redeemed until the end of the show.

There is but it's perennially behind the theory because I just don't have time to update it. If you're looking for arguements for it and against it tho, I'd try reading the huge thread at Ksite.

Tho the whole "forgetting" Lois is a misnomer; Clark already knows both of them. Typically the "Superman" story starts when Clark moves to Metropolis, however as the PTB have already stated, SV in and of itself is a version of the Superman story (the version that's supposed to connect all the dots for the future one) and it basically starts when Lex moves to SV.

The basic idea is that Chloe is and always has been the iconic Lois Lane (the one who works at the DP, is Clark's best friend and confidante, fights for truth and justice). If she was, it means from Day One of the series we'd see the developement and evolution of the "big three of Metropolis" (all of the how's and why's these people do what they do)-- and we'd have a new Lois, remixed for modern times from various past canons (like Lex was). Plus, upon re-watching there are a bunch of little things that suddenly become ironic (Chloe commenting that Lana's the love of his life for one) if said ending occurs.

I could go on but I'm not exactly sure if this is the right place to do so.

My thoughts on Clex and the future... I agree with the numerous posters above commenting on the difficulty of resolving the SV canon into anything even vaguely like the traditional canon because of CKs lack of any sort of alterego (or, forgive my pun, superego. man, I suck.).

The simple fact of the matter with Lex's facination and suspicion of Clark being the CENTRAL FOCUS of his SV character, there is no satisfactory resolution to Clex that doesn't in some way involve Lex "discovering" Clark's secret.

This is obviously problematic for the larger storyline. How can Clark Kent be Supes' "secret identity" if his ARCH ENEMY knows about it from the get-go?

Plus there's the obvious Chlois problem, though that's more a character issue than a storyline one...

The only satisfactory conclusion I can draw is that AlMiles have decided to take the "liberties" from the canon they reserved the right to take to essentially rewrite the whole damn thing. I'm sure they'll keep to broad strokes with Clark eventually embracing his Kryptonian destiny before he becomes Supes... but its going to be hard to embrace canon beyond that.

Though canon itself is sort of a tricky thing. If I'm not mistaken the Lex Luthor as billionaire industrialist thing is itself a recent (Post-crisis?)innovation... He used to be a scientist or somesuch? I guess they keep some of that in that Lex HIRES a lot of scientists these days...

Long story short for me, if you try in some way to view this as a prequel for the comics or the movies or anything else, you're ultimately going to be logically disappointed, fankwanking can only get you so far... but on balance I do like the way they're telling the story...

And since they've made Clark so dim, they don't really have to go into why he doesn't recognize her as Chloe.

Chlois: "Hi, Clark."
Clark: "Huh?"
Chlois: "Hi... it's me, Lois."
Clark: "Mmmm... hey... Lois look like Chloe..."
Chlois: "No, Clark, as you can clearly see I have brown hair now."
Clark: "Mmmm... owwww... thinking hurt."
Chlois: "That's okay, Sweetie, you just go ahead and get back to trying to find Waldo."
Clark: "Superman save Waldo!"
Chlois: "Of course you will, Dear."

I've really been thinking that they need to write Lex off after this season- either have him leave the country or get busted and go to jail. Preferably leave the country- under threat from Clark.

Mostly, now that Lex is ebil, I view him as a BtVS 'big bad'- or at least, that's how they should play him. If he and Clark ARE adversaries, Lex's shelf-life as a regular has to be limited. Otherwise it just goes in a continual back-and-forth of accusations and foiled attempts at villainy. Both Clark and Lex end up looking like idiots. The Buffy 'Big Bads' got a whole season to actually BE bad- effective, scary, a real threat- and then there was a resolution at the end. The infinite loop between Clark vs. Lex will get old very quickly if all that happens is Clark foiling Lex's dastardly plans- and it's not going to make Lex look particularly smart/effective/threatening.

That said, I like the idea

That's about the only way I can see a partial reconciliation between Clark and Lex- and I think that's what is needed for Lex to be a viable, continuing character. But I just can't see Clark wanting to have anything to do with Lex as long as he believes Lex was responsible for the events in Mortal- THAT would make Clark look bad.

I always thought the 'rift' should come at the end of the show- setting the stage for the future. If the true rift is here now, Lex's time on SV should be limited.

Right. I mean, as well-acted as I really did think that last Clark/Lex scene was in Aqua, the entirety of their dynamic in the episode was, frankly, weird to me. I didn't understand - and more importantly, didn't *buy* - Clark's defense of Lex to either Fine or AC. And if Aqua was supposed to represent the Big Moment where Clark finally realizes/makes peace with the fact that Lex is a Bad Person, then what the hell was the point of their last scene together in Mortal? 'Cause it seemed to me like Clark had already decided that about Lex as of the end of that episode.

On one hand, it is kind of intriguing watching the two of them navigate this space between not being friends any more but not yet being enemies either, but it still begs the question of Why Would They Deal With Each Other At All? Lex's whole "Well, first, you called me a 'tool'" to AC in Aqua makes it clear that S5!Lex isn't even letting the *petty* stuff slide any more, so it doesn't make sense that he lets Clark - who beat him up in his own home - into the mansion let alone listens to *anything* Clark has to say. By the same token, it doesn't make any sense at all for Clark to defend Lex to people or to interact with Lex in any way if he really believes Lex was responsible for the events of Mortal. There's no organic, intratextual reason for them to interact with each other now, so it's even more of a WTF than usual if they do. I agree with rob1-sv here:



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But I don't see how either of these things can be fixed/dealt with without doing a retcon of Mortal (since I really do think we're supposed to believe/understand that Lex set the whole thing up; I don't think it is ambiguous or supposed to be ambiguous). Clark asking Lex for *anything* after the events of that episode really does make him look like an opportunistic jackass, and Lex offering/doing any favors for Clark after that episode makes him look like a weak-willed fool. So it seems to me the creative team's only real viable options are to either retcon Mortal or suck it up and deal that the characters don't have reason to be in each other's orbit any more and write the story with that understanding.

See I would expect nothing short of detached objectivity about Luthorcorp, but at the same time nothing more…so it was weird how he was also defending him from a personal angle and not just the cold, detached academic angle…but not unbelievable. The same disbelief could be expressed about the Obession Room revelation…I mean, Clark has a track record of forgiving the unforgivable even when the transgression is from a complete stranger. It’s both infuriating and fascinating. What sane person continues to associate with someone after getting an eyeful of a collection room, after their mother’s medical records are stolen…anyone would run like hell and cut that person out of their life (if only to at the very least protect their family)…so it’s in character. Pariah/Unsafe highlighted this, he was quick to forgive an attempted murderess and stand by her until he had damning evidence, and when he let that faith slip she ended up being killed…it would be awesome if they made a reference to this and attributed his refusal to give up on Lex, in spite of everything, to his slip in that episode. It was almost anvilicious how Alicia was a stand-in for Lex there. I think they've established that his resevoir of forgiveness is of the unnatural/unrealistic (arguably moronic) variety. It's the only way they can keep him spinning in Lex's orbit without the Clex getting horribly boring, besides.

So yeah…the objectivity? That made sense. Most people would not care to stay objective after the situation in Mortal but I expect Clark to do that. What I wasn’t sure about was his feelings about Lex on personal level, and it looks like he still has some shred of faith in him, probably another one of his pipe dreams.

Someone on my friends list put it perfectly…Clark’s loyalty to Lex is mindless and borders on destructive, has been since he realized how obsessed Lex was, pushed it aside in favor of making excuses to Bo and Pete. It’s the kind of mindless loyalty that has him clinging to a shard of glass as evidence for most of Shattered and now, Post-Mortal still clinging to some semblance of an explanation for AC/Fine’s accusations. You could totally see him in the future, while lecturing Lex to his face, turn around and make excuses to the Justice League (“I know he contaminated the water supply but he’s turned the corner! He’s changed, see!")

But Lex, Lex really surprised me. After the beat down, I haven't a clue why he'd let Clark back into his house and actually seriously converse with him. He didn't even look like he was enjoying Clark's initial discomfort standing there speaking with him after what happened in Mortal. And then the realization that Clark defended him seemed to affect him. Maybe there will be moments when he can be reached or touched...which is good, it gives him more depth.



The only way it would work is if they simply had to work together. They had different, but coe-existing ends and simply needed to cooperate. Which is what Exposed sounds like- Clark is suspicious of the Senator, Lex would stand to profit from anything Clark digs up since he himself is too high profile to investigate. It’s not going to be a friendly offering, it’s temporary détente to orchestrate something that is mutually beneficial. I didn’t think that tptb could write a dynamic that complex, so if that’s the direction they’re actually going, I find it exciting.

I wasn't sure what thread to put this in, but since it's speculation, I guess it fits here.

Many people on here support the idea of the Chlois - that the snarky, dedicated investigative reporter that is currently Chloe will somehow transform into the snarky, dedicated investigative reporter that will be Lois Lane in the future. However, I don't see that happening, because TPTB are idiots. Unfortunately, they could possibly seize on the transformation idea by following this line of logic:

1. Clark is in love with Lana right now,
2. Clark is supposed to be in love with Lois in the future.
3. Clark is not attracted to Lois right now.
4. OMGClanaForEvah!!!1!!1!!

And so, one begins to consider the horror that would be the Lanois. Lois the Lesser is somehow quietly bumped off, and in order to bring herself closer to Clark, Lana switches her LL for a different LL. As a Mary Sue, there's no reason why she can't suddenly become a brilliant journalist, and TPTB already seem to have a perverse vision of Lana as an driven, independent woman. But most importantly (from TPTB's perspective), the Clana never has to die, and Lana gets to become one of the most iconic female figures in ficiton.

When the fanboy protest erupts, AlMiles blame it on the fact that everyone's just jealous of KK's beauty.

You forgot to add that Chloe dies, and Lana takes up the mantle of journalist to honor her bestest best friend. Or that Lana, adorably, doesn't quite get the hang of writing articles. So Chloe ghostwrites for her in the spirit of sisterhood. And shapes Lana into a Pulitizer prize winning journalist when she discovers Lana's untapped potential. Only then, is Chloe allowed to die.

Moved this to the Thirst thread.

I don't know, the last episode made me think they really do have the talent to pull it off and the guts to try. The monologue was an anvil from the future -- one that she's not crazy in (as she's telling HER story) nor is she dead (she knows Kahn never prints it) and nor is she bitter over the future.

The last line totally was an anvil - of S1 proportions of where it is fitting and clever and a twist. Saying "up, up, and away" is and always will be simply a refrence to the old serials as far as this show goes, and given the actually dialogue in the show I think the intro and ending are pretty explicitly "How I Started at the DP (Again)" ... the question then to ask is why this is a story needing recounting, IMO.



I really, really hope they keep this up. In LnC, eventually Lex and Clark had a kind of uneasy ability to work together when they needed too with most of Clark with the Luthor animosity (Lex merely was looking for a 'true adversary' in Superman really before becoming obsessed) and yet... it worked -- because they realized there were situtations where they had to work together to do what needed to be done (like save Lois or the city or the DP). Not that there were double crosses and egos tho, which is what made it fun. I am hoping after Aqua and Thrist that this is where it's going.

Speculation: Lex loses the election. (I don't think Jonathan will win, either. I'll speculate that someone wins on a write-in vote, maybe even Jennings even though he withdrew.) Here's why I think Lex may lose: This season's favorite game is Kick The Lex. Not that he had tons of pals in the past, either, but this season there's a marked decline. Everyone's against him. The Kents, Chloe, his own father, Fine, you name it. Soon, even the voters will give him a symbolic kick to the nuts. I think they're setting him up to be oh so very alone so that he clings even more tightly to Lana as his One Last Hope.

I posted my spec on the Splinter thread that perhaps Chloe would die by supernatural causes and Clark would revive her so he isn't directly involved in anyone's death. But, just when we think we're out of the woods, Jonathan will have a heart attack and die.

Today, I got a different spin on this. I wonder if Lana will die, and be revived by Clark, thereby learning the secret. And then, just as Clark and Lana are dealing with this, Jonathan dies from a heart attack.

Chloe makes sense b/c Jor-el spared her life in exchange for Clark's broken promise to return to the FOS before dusk.

Lana makes sense b/c Clark broke his promise to stay with Lana and take her to the hospital.

Personally, I think Chloe would be the better red herring death b/c people are already speculating that she has to die b/c she isn't in the Superman comics whereas I can't see many people believing that they'd kill Lana. But, if they are going to do something dramatic, given their track record, I'd imagine it to be all about Lana.

Anyway, I'm just throwing that out there.

Everyone is right that Lana Lang is the girl Clark Kent left behind, but that was when he left Smallville and hadn't even met Lois Lane and there was no Chloe Sullivan. Do you see how complicated the producers have made this show. So, in reality what the producers are saying, actually, that Clark has to be with Lana up until the year he leaves Smallville and becomes Superman. Rememmber (Lana was the girl he left behind). you don't leave anyone behind if you yourself aren't going anywhere yet.
About somebody dying...let's re-think this comment. He was told that somebody he loves will die, if anyone dies at all, that is. He might not have returned by the time the yellow sun set but he got rid of the evil force which had escaped from Krypton., whom Jor-El warned him about.

"Someone he loves..."
How many people does Clark love?

Lionel...No Way.
Jor-El...he hates.
Lex Luthor...no love there.
Lois Lane..we all know she can't die.
Martha Kent....He Loves...but, if they follow the story correctly, she was alive way after he became Superman and a reporter at The Daily Planet, becausse he used to send her money from his earnings.
Jonathan Kent... he loves......(first probability, since he also dies in the comics while Clark is still in Smallville)
Lana Lang...He loves more than anyone, however she's also around for years after he becomes Superman and meets her at a High School reunion.
The other person you can debate whether he loves or has strong feelings of friendship is Chloe Sullivan, who is a character made up by the producers who I think can't be around The Daily Planet for long because Lois Lane becomes a reporter. The question though with Lois is what reason made her become a reporter for The Daily Planet?

So, In reality I would say there are only 2 probable characters only who can die...Jonathan or Chloe.
If it was any other season, I would have gone with Chloe but this year she seems to have grown considerably and they can't get rid of her.
The only logical choice than is JONATHAN KENT, and maybe CHLOE, if the producers have the guts to do this and really surprise everyone. Everyone will tune in the next episode and ratings will sky rise, but, unfortunately it has been proven for 5 Seasons that every episode is a story of it's own. Whatever is said or shown in one episode and us, the fans wait anxiously for the continuity, is never brought up and forgotten. (examples-"No More Secrets, No More Lies"...."I somehow know that this stone was meant for you".....Clark's bullet scar, which he was worried Lana would ask to see it.....and many, many more very important statements, which were never followed through.)

When the time comes for Clark to leave SMALLVILLE, Jonathan has died and he than finds someone (a neighbour by the name of Jim I believe) to help with the Kent Farm as it is wriitten in the comics.

About Lana Lang, after making a mess for all these years of CLANA and from interviews with Kristin Kruek, you can tell that she sounds very dissapointed. What is her purpose in SMALLVILLE now? Lana was used in Season 4, granted, by being possessed by ISOBEL in order for Clark to find the stones and save the planet. Tatoo and Isobel dissapear, so, what is Lans's role right now in Smallville, except the way the producers are showing her as a person who is an orphan, hurt in her life and nobidy, especially Clark was or is ever honest with her. Chloe has grown and matured in looks, dress code, acting, and producers have made her the right hand and guiding force to Clark, on every episode telling him what to do. She is however a made up character which never existed in the comics or movies. Also Lois has to have a reason or cause to decide and become a reporter for The Daily Planet. Maybe to find out how Chloe was killed? If they want to really SURPRISE all fans, they would have Chloe killed in episode 12. That would be a surprise nobody excepts and will make their ratings rise. These kind of guts on behalf of producers, with unexpevted turns is the difference between good shows and rising to great shows and winning awards like "LOST" Golden Globe awrd for best show last year.

Also I just remembered a producer saying one time that they would explore something with the friendship of Martha and Lionel Luther.

Back during the early part of season 4, they said that he'd seek out Martha after he got out of prison. There was something about how he'd be torn between these two influences of Genevieve and Martha, which sounded really interesting and would have given Lionel a function in the story beyond handing out maps to people and calling Lana the chosen one. But they didn't go that route, unfortunately. Of course, maybe the Kents will decide that Lionel is a friend of the family now since he's helping Jonathan campaign against Lex. It might be interesting to see Jonathan torn between needing Lionel's help and not wanting Lionel around his wife. Then Jonathan can die and Lionel would be there to comfort Martha. Sexily.

In the previews for this week's ep, when Martha gets her turn as the red herring death, there's about a 1/2 second shot of someone hiding behind some crystal formation, watching Fine and Clark in the FoS. It looks like Chloe to me. Scares the crap out of me because the voiceover says something ominous right then about it being a turning point or some such. If Chloe is indeed in the FoS during the climax of this ep, it puts her in serious danger ... the place wasn't designed for humans; she almost died last time she was there just from exposure, not to mention that Clark's (HoYay!) insertion of the crystal rod in that preview obviously triggers something powerful that might not be good for humans.

Brought this over from the Letter to AlMiles thread



Dear God in Heaven I hope not !! - That would be just awful beyond belief. But now that I think of it - it is seeming likely coz they are that awful.

I really really really hope not.

Cyb, this is Mionel I can get behind! I am really kind of excited about the apparently real possibility of any Martha/MB interaction. Ever since "Scare", I have been anticipating something like this. Of course, nuthin' happened so my hopes now are tempered. I'm still concerned about the MB as the rumored 2nd death. Yeah, I mention this every freakin' time I post here. Sorry. I keep telling myself that the more I renounce it, the less likely it is to happen ;) OR maybe Bo dies and Martha takes up the campaign. Hence she and Lionel will be working together (just like the old days)! They get closer, and you may assume the rest...

Someone warm up the sporks because I just had a terrifying vision of the future.

If Fine isn't permanently dead, he'll come back during the next Sweeps period. That's not the terrifying part. This is: It'll be Lex and Lana who defeat him. The ship may be gone, but Lex now has Lana's wonderful astronomical mind at his disposal. She'll look at his research and figure out something. It'll be part of their "partnership." This, of course, all happens after Lana accuses him of losing the ship on purpose and he grovels for forgiveness.

*hand outstretched*

A spork, a Spork! Quickly!

An unlikely scenario, but...

Lana becomes increasingly close to Lex while working with him over the course of the season on something meteor-related (I would say helping him solve the mystery of the spaceship, but that's gone, so it'll be something else). Her relationship with Clark grows strained, though he doesn't notice it at first. In a surprise turn of events, she's killed. Lex blames Clark for her death when it turns out that the agent of her demise is alien in origin. Clark blames Lex for getting Lana involved with investigating the meteors. The Rift begins in earnest.

Double post, but it's been a few days and this is a different subject.

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While that makes the most sense narratively, I don't see that happening, because it'd be a disaster commercially. For better or worse, as one of the Big Three, Lex has been one of the cornerstones of the series ever since it began. He's associated with the show almost as much as TW and KK (they'll never get rid of Lana for that same reason). Lex has a considerable fanbase. Beyond that, MR's also a fun interview subject and willing to pimp out the show on a moment's notice. And he's also, urm, about 75% of the gag reel.

Scaling back on Lex's screentime, though, is an entirely different matter. They've done it before and could do it again, especially if they want to drag out the Drift for two more seasons.

Err... I sorta didn't respond to the post correctly. I was sorta responding to another post you made, I think, one where you suggested they take out Lex and bring in a new Big Bad. Good idea, but far too risky to ever happen.

Here's one that would go under failed speculation (or perhaps deep-bitterness).

After the S5 premier I (along with probably a good number of other viewers) was 100% sure that Clark sharing his secrets with Chloe would create a Clana wedge as well as plenty of friction between all three. I wasn't sure if Lana would simply pick up on the new Chlark vibe or if Chloe would accidentally (or not so accidentally) reveal that she was in on Clark's secret, but considering Lana's obsession with truth, Chloe's apparent need for Lana to know, the fact that Chloe is a terrible liar, and that Chlana became roommates it seemed a pretty safe bet. It also seemed like a perfect opportunity to force Clark to re-evaluate his relationship with both Chloe and Lana.

I guess TPTB decided either it was too obvious, too soon, or too much of a Rush retread to head in that direction. Instead with get Lexana. Oh well.

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That's a good point jwm. What did happen to the Lana getting suspect about why Clark was always whispering with Chloe? Maybe it will never happen. Maybe they'll do it all in one episode. You know, Clark will come up to see Chloe (at the start of the ep) when Lana wasn't supposed to be there and ends up sneaking off for a private chat. Chloe doesn't want to expose what's going on to Lana and gives some lame excuse. By the end of the episode, the Chlark partnership have solved the case but all Lana can see is secrets and, you guessed it, lies. They've been rushing things quite a bit this season so if that's the way they want to go then they'll probably cram in all the Lana paranoia into the one ep.

My theory is that because Chloe is THE Lois Lane, they don't want to cast Chloe as "the homewrecker" in the Clana relationship. I don't think they want to give anyone any ammo to say that Lois Lane stole Clark away from Lana Lang. I think that's why they had Chloe tell Lex that a real friend would be happy for Clana in "Mortal" and they had her advise Clark to be honest with Lana in "Hidden." And I think that's why Chloe tried to keep Clark from seeing Lana cheating on him when she was all slutty with the cowboy at the party in "Thirst." And that's why Chloe is always deflecting Clark's praise of her, instead of relishing it. They are bending over backwards so that Chloe will be entirely blameless when Clana eventually break up. More than that, they have shown Chloe aiding Clana in their relationship by being a selfless friend to both Lana and Clark. If Lana got suspicious about something going on btw Chloe and Clark, then Lana fans might get the idea to say that Chloe was coming between Clana and tptb seem to be trying to protect Chloe from that kind of accusation. And again, that makes sense to me if Chloe is THE Lois Lane. It's better to make Lex the bad guy in helping to break up Clana, since, well, he is suppose to be the bad guy.

Also, the way I see it, they might want to have Lana too busy looking for another boytoy to really think about Chlark scoobying and besides, maybe she thinks, Well I totally neutralized that threat before, it can be taken care of anytime.

While I would like to rub Lana's face in the Chlark dynamic, I'm also really glad that we haven't seen Lana react to their closeness. I don't want a retread of the Chlarkana teen drama.

But I also wonder if they're perhaps holding off till the second half of the season to whip out that conflict?

One thing that I've found interesting so far this season is that even though Clana are dating there's been a major emphasis on Clark/Chloe and Lex/Lana interactions. We know that they're going to be exploring Lexana this season, but it makes me curious to see if they will be exploring romantic Chlark too. At times it seems like they are building up to a Chlark romance. Of course this could just be wishful thinking on my part. But we know that Clana will break up sometime and I can see Clark discovering his true feelings for Chloe after the breakup.

There was a discussion of Lexana in the Media thread which I thought was pretty interesting and would like to share a thought.

First of all, the Lexana thing really bugs me. It is not really necessary IMO. Clark and Lex have enough issues which can cause the Rift without introducing Lana into the dynamic.

However, I have realised that there is ONE thing which would make me LOVE SV and Lexana. I am not kidding. I don't mean that whole evil Lex is using poor Lana or the two of them going to be supreme bitch goddesses together thing - because well, personally I would find that sucky as well.

It's just that I was reminded of the whole Cordelia/Wesley arc in Buffy Season 3. :-D.

Now how awesome would that be? Episodes of Lana and Lex angsting after each other - and finally when they do go for it..there would be textual, canonical zero chemistry. Now that would be funny. And the only payoff I would accept of Lexana angst. But they are not going to give me that are they?

*looks sad* *thinks about writing a fic for that* *realises is too lazy, not to mention untalented*

On second thought - this belongs in the SV wishlist doesn't it?

But yeah, Lexana and Clexana or even Chlexanark - no no .. just no. Because, well, Lana really has no place in their stories, apart from being the girl who gets left behind.

This is a reply to some of the concerns about Lexana that people were posting about on the Smallville media thread.





Clark and Lex aren't really friends at all now. They don't trust one another and there's alot of hostility between them. Lex has become darker and more ruthless and Clark has found this out firsthand. The rift has either already happened or it's in the process of happening, and it doesn't have much to do with Lana. So I don't think Lana can be said to be the cause of the rift since they have already stopped being real friends anyway.




We don't know that Lex will be devolved into Adam/Jason. The problem with both Adam and Jason was that their storylines weren't well thought out in advance. Heck, you could say the same thing about Helen's plotline. Helen was happy at first, Helen went whacky, and then Helen tried to kill Lex. I think they have trouble sometimes bringing on these new characters that are love interests and they don't plan their plots out too well. The difference with Lexana is that Lex isn't a new character and the Lexana plot has been in the works since the beginning. The producers said that this is something they've had planned out and since Lana is now 18 they can do it.




I'm a Lexana shipper and I don't think it will be either a fluffy romance or Lana going evil. I (hope!) that Lana will realize that she has feelings for Lex and try (and fail to) save him from his inner darkness. It's difficult to say at this point exactly how they will do Lexana though.

I can guess.

I don’t think it will be Lex corrupting Lana to the dark side and getting her to see the world through his eyes. That would be too interesting. And while it would probably make people who hate Lana now like her, it would make people who love her now dislike the Pink Princess.

I do think it will probably make Lex even more overtly Snidely Whiplash evil-esque as he loses control because he’s jealous over Lana.

I do think it will be a rehash of Clana/The Godfather as poor innocent Lana lives in luxury with a man who keeps deep dark secrets from her. (Like the fact that he’s still having hate sex with a young farmboy. Oh, and the Evil! Experiments too). Look forward to more whining about secwets and lieth.

Lana isn't the savior type. She's more the "savee" type. She didn't help bail out the Sullivans, she spurned Clark for putting her in danger in Shattered. She's not that type of gal who's going to put more into a relationship than she gets out, ANY type of relationship.

I don't like the idea of Lana trying to be Lex's savior, either. Lana playing the martyr to try to save Lex from himself? Clark trying to get her to leave Lex alone, with Lana responding weepily that she can't. She will endure the pain and torment, sacrificing her own happiness, in order to save Lex from his darkness. (Because that's how you know SV would play it.) Ug. And no, thanks anyway.

That's the thing. Whenever I think of some way Lexana might work, I remember this is SV, and recall how they've handled similar situations with Lana in the past. And the idea I thought might work falls apart before my very eyes.

Let's not forget our favorite shape-shifter and the deal-girl clone. Lana screws up the girls too!

Plus, I'd prefer it if, at this point in the story, there isn't any sense that *Lex* wants/feels he has to be/needs to be 'saved from his darkness.' I talked a little about this in the Lex thread, but Lex is not only a grown-up - he's 25, people - he's a grown-up I absolutely believe knows the difference between Right and Wrong, and he knows exactly what he's doing when he does nefarious/shady things to get what he wants; I think Lex prioritizes what he wants/what he thinks is best over Doing the Right Thing. And since the show itself is telling me that this is someone who's perfectly capable of setting up the family of his former closest friend in a potentially lethal situation and who seems at ease using torture on a sentient being to get answers ... I don't know. It seems a little late to be backtracking after that and taking the position that someone needs to save him from himself or whatever.

Lex knows who and what he is and frankly, if he didn't want to be that person, well, he *wouldn't be* that person. I don't think someone else trying to tell him he shouldn't be that person is going to change that. If Lex wanted to be saved from his inner darkness, I think he'd save himself, because he is both that willful *and* that self-aware.

I actually like the idea of Lexana as mutually attracted, complicated and fucked-up potential power couple. Any dynamic that casts *either* of them as some kind of passive victim or suffering martyr just doesn't work for me.

Of all the potential scenerios of Lexana, that has to be the worst.
Poor wittle Lana martyring herself to keep Lex good while he goes on the highway to hell. Doing all she can to let him keep one bit of goodness in his soul. Trying to save Lex from himself only to be turned away from the evil, evil man as she rues the day she caught herself up with Luthor, the one man her Pinkness couldn't save just is so hokey and horrible.

I agree LaT, that's one thing I don't want changed from Lex. What he does needs to be what he thinks is the best thing to be done. He needs to choose because he doesn't think he's doing bad, he thinks he's achieving greatness which must be done with some eggs broken. All his evil schemes, if he needs to explain them, he needs to rationalize them to the point where we the audience understands where he's coming from. It can't be
Lana: "Lex, you can't do this."
Lex *remorseful, eyes with tears*: I don't have a choice.

eta: As I said in the Media thread, this is a Lexana I can handle.

And I also thought that Chlark together time would be a bigger part in the Clana breakup.

But guys, what do you make of the fact that Lex is always shown to be remorseful, even this year in for example Aqua, if I remember it correctly?

And if Lex indeed made his choice and is completely satisfied with it, then when did it exactly happen? What was the turning point?

Well, like I said in the Lex thread, the fact that Lex does sometimes struggle is, IMO, precisely *because* he has a conscience; it's going to poke him every now and then when he's up to no good and I think that's fine. Just as Clark's ascension to Hero shouldn't be easy and uncomplicated with him always knowing exactly the Right Thing to do and doing it, neither should Lex's descent to Villainy be without some moments where his own behavior gives him pause. It's just that if this series calls itself telling me/showing me a story of a Lex Luthor who's growing into being a true villain, then those moments really do have to be farther and farther apart as his journey progresses.

The thing about both Heroism and Villainy is that they're *trended* behavior: What is the Hero/Villain *most likely* to do in the *majority* of situations? Not every situation, but the majority of them. Which means that if occasionally Clark is craven, selfish, or mean, then that's Okay if in the *majority* of situations where he's called upon to do that which is Right and Good and True, he does it; then he earns the right to be called 'Hero'. By the same token, if Lex occasionally has moments of nobility, fairness, or selflessness, that's Okay, but if he's to be rightly called 'Villain', then the majority of his conduct *can't* be motivated by such good impetus/concerns.

In other words, you don't have to be purely Good to be a hero. And you don't have to be purely Evil to be a villain. I think that's what the show is trying to demonstrate with both Clark and Lex, but it doesn't always do so effectively or well.