But he DID finally save Lex. It was the FoTW who stopped him from getting there on time. The WRONG that Clark did was in NOT TELLING LEX later, when it was CLEAR Lex was doing harmful things to himself and maybe others JUST to get those memories back. Clark failed to do so because again, it was more important to save his secwret. Lex wasn't on the verge of death or danger so Clark listened to his podparents advice that at least he was safe vs Lex.

What Clark did and tried to do for him in Shattered and Asylum is well beyond 'nothing", and well beyond what a kid with his limited resources could do with Lionel Luthor as an opponent. If what Clark did was nothing there, I'd hope my friends would do nothing for me in a similar situation. And for a good chunk of the time in the first one, he was going on a shard of glass as evidence (even with Lex singing to a blanket, going nuts on the sweathshop woker, etc)..until he actually twisted some arms for answers.

I'm talking from Lex POV. I don't know how much, if any, Clark told him about those missing seven weeks and his time at Belle Reve. He doesn't know Clark tried to get him out, I think. When he'll find out Clark = Superman, he's going to be pissed.

I think that's what people are saying. Based on what he KNOWS, he doesn't remember Clark rescuing him at all. ALL he has is Memoria with the perceived Clark betraying him to Lionel and Clark's CLAIM he wanted to help him and the fact his memories are STILL missing as far as we know. Now if I knew my buddy saved all these different people, jollied me into helping/forgiving all of his other buddies, saved tons of people in similar situations in the future BUT didn't save me when I needed help, I'd be mad and justifiably so and think I'm just an ATM to this guy.

I think what hurts Clark in my estimation is I really don't think he gets it at all. I mean AT ALL that Lex has a right to be mad about some of the stuff he's pulled, aside like from Slumber but man that was ages ago and the writer of that episode left the team.

If Clark wants to drop Lex, fine. He doesn't have to be friends with people he doesn't want to be friends, but he has to KNOW he gives up the right/ability to ask for crap from him, period.

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Actually, Lex does know that Clark tried. Clark had to testify for the prosecution to witnessing the ECT that Lionel administered. That's why his arrival in time in for the proceedings in Covenant was so significant, why Lex breathed a sigh of relief over it. Chloe was the witness that was going to detail the murder confession part and Clark recount part of the conspiracy ("threw [Lex] into a mental institution and fried [Lex's] brain"...Lex: If you tell the judge what you just told me, my father will be exchanging his Armani for an orange jumpsuit").. This much was shown on the show, and also more details in the Ledger. Lex knows that, in witnessing what Lionel did to him, Clark wasn't just there with a pail of popcorn to enjoy the show, he had attempted to derail the process (and witnessed the consequence of his *failure* first hand) and that's why Clark was even of use to the prosecution in the trial.

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Ok just found it, it's not just a strong implication, it's text:
Lex: My father has a battalion of lawyers more powerful than Caesar's army. He'll be out on bail in less than 48 hours.
Clark: I don't think the judge is gonna let a murderer back out on the street.
Lex: Clark, the only way he'll be denied bail is if there's evidence at his bail hearing that he's an imminent threat to society.
Clark: What about Chloe's voicemail? The one with your dad's confession on it. That could be pretty damaging.
Lex: It will be for the grand jury. But in order to deny him bail, they need eyewitnesses, people who have seen my father actually inflict harm. Unfortunately, anyone who's been privy to his darkest moments is either dead or unwilling to come forward.
Clark: I'll come forward.
Lex: I appreciate the support, Clark, but they need an eyewitness.
Clark: I saw him at Belle Reve. I saw him order the doctor to increase your electroshock voltage. Even when the doctor said it could turn you into a vegetable.
Lex: How could you have seen that?
Clark: I snuck in to try to save you, but I was too late.

Hey, it's like the late Notorious B.I.G. once said: "Money, clothes, and hoes...all a brother knows."

Will Lana be back to wearing baby pink this year or will her witchy Frenchy black wardrobe stay? I would bet a dollar they start putting her in white to highlight her "purity", especially if they try to sneak in more Lexana.

Wishful thinking: Lex is forever changed by his meeting with aliens. They're not the Warrior Angel type he's fantasized about for years. He's a little bit broken by this, and it's kind of devastating, but he gathers himself up and decides this is a sign that Segeth--himself--really is the hero of the story. It's his duty to protect the planet from alien invaders. Unfortunately, Lex loses sight of the small picture for the big one, as he more and more adopts a "the ends justify the means" approach. Occasionally we'll still see Lex realizing what he's doing, feel torn about it, but decide that it's really for the best. This is how he becomes enemies with Clark/Superman. Not only does he suspect that Clark is "one of them", but his ideology clashes with his former friend's. They have very different methods, even if they both believe they're doing the right thing.

Speculation: He'll go bad just because. We'll get less and less insight into Lex's thoughts and feelings. He'll just start doing more Lionelesque things with little to no explanation.

Wishful thinking: Lex is forever turned off of brunettes after his encounter with the alien woman in the caves.

Speculation: He'll alternately use and worship Lana.

Wishful thinking: Lex will finally get some decent damn security in his home, like security cameras that record crap like Clark calling himself by an alien name and then fighting two aliens.

Speculation: Security at the mansion will continue to be "wishful thinking."

Speculation on the fate of Lionel:

He's functioning as the Eradicator right now. Maybe they will have him stay in the mind-whammied mode, or maybe he will go back and forth as Lana/Isabel did last season. At the end of the season the Eradicator/Lionel will die fighting Brainiac in order to save Clark.

Judging from the Spoilers:

Lionel appears to be at least partially lucid by the 5.9 Lexmas episode.

Are any of you worried that the witch storyline will come into play again given the Zod back tat on Aethyr? (Not that Isabelle will literally return, but there will be some explanation of the back tats that will turn out to be very important and establish an enduring link between the Pink and Kal-El.)

MightyThor! Why are you giving them ideas? You know what happened to Dread!

About speculations: is anybody else extremely fond of the Chlois thread (now with 8020 messages). Like Mulder's poster said: I want to believe. Ironically, I want to believe more than ever after the introduction of ED's Lois to the show. It's not the drinking, or even that she got thrown out of college. It's that she has an IQ of about 90. Granted, it's enough to outsmart Clark and more, but nowhere near good enough to be an investigating reporter. And now with the stripper spoilers, I'm more convinced than ever that this can't be Lois.

I don't think the witch storyline will come back in any meaningful way. Not that it was in any way "meaningful" the first time around either. I do think it will be mentioned somehow, but only briefly.

Maybe like this:

Lex or Lionel: You owe me one, Pink Pwintheth.
Lana (goggle-eyed staring): For what?
Lex or Lionel: For covering up the fact that you murdered Genevieve Teague.
Lana (angry squirrel faced): That wasn't really me!
Lex or Lionel: I doubt the "Possessed by a Witch" defense will hold much water.

The end.

Heh. I loved it that "L" (forget Lex or Lionel. It's Lois!) didn't do it out of the goodness of his heart, just because Lana is pink and shiny and pretty. He wants something in return. Perhaps spying on Clark, or will that be too much recycling?

I don't think the writers would be put off by recycling.

Here's another question: Will the stones ever be mentioned again? We know that the stones no longer exist as separate pieces. They were combined and used in an episode of Extreme Makeover: Igloo Edition. But Lex doesn't know that. He knows two of his stones were stolen (oh boy were they), and he has no idea where Lana's stone is although he knows she's done something with it. For all he knows, the stones are still in circulation somewhere. Does he continue obsessively hunting them like he did last year, or does he just assume that they're gone now?

Chlois is what allows me to continue watching this show. Otherwise, I'd be too angry to keep tuning in.

For as much as they promise everything we've been waiting for will happen this season - I require the following:

- at least one Chlex kiss
- a decent boyfriend for Chloe; and
- Chlois.

Because I certainly haven't been waiting for Clana to get together or for Clark to hit Lex. I want a payoff, too!

ITA, Lucy. I've always wanted Chlois, but always convinced myself there was no possible way it would ever hppen, even with some of the mighty anvils - I just thought it was kicking the Chloistas and Chlark shippers a little more.
When Lois first arrived on the show I didn't mind, and liked the fact she wasn't hung up on Clark and enjoyed the snarking. I even thought I glimpsed a microscopic spec of chemistry at the end of Facade. If she'd just gone away at that point......
But now I think the writers, probably unintentionally, have got us to a point where Chloe becoming Lois is the most rational explanation for the future. I don't see them displaying the writing skills necessary to turn this Lois into Lois Lane, and this Clark/Lois relationship into what we know it must become. It's easy to see the Chlark becoming that - I mean the FOS stuff, that's LOIS! WTF was that stuff in Devoted if not a clue that Clark's feelings were liable to change? Bound elevator scene?.....Maybe I need to give TPTB a break and they planned this, but I think it's more likely that Chlois will only happen if they get themselves in such a mess it's the only way they can tie up loose ends quickly, and the moments I mention are just red herrings (when has this show really cared about coherency?)
This is going to make it all the more painful when in the final episode Chloe dies/is institutionalised and Clark hits on Lois (who just magically got her dead cousin's job at the DP after years spent drinking Irish coffee at the Talon because, hey, they hire solely by bereavement nepotism) because he's so distraught at losing Lana forever and she's the only other female he knows :(

We'll kidnap KK and hand them our list of demands;)




ETA:

You know, I think that "Lois" is now hung up on Clark as well. Her taking the flowers, for example. Like a third-grade kid pulling a girl's braid. She wants his attention. *sigh*.



Like Mobius mentioned on the K-site Chlois thread, if it was Chloe with the stripper spoilers, and saying "kill me first" about journalism, we wouldn't have bothered with the theory. But the way things are, it's the only theory that makes sense to me. This "Lois" isn't smart or driven enough to become *the* Lois Lane, and we're way too short on feminist icons to afford to lose Lois Lane.

Edited again to say: and that's before the FoS stuff.

I took his re-finding the key to be a sign of his interest switching; he found it at the end of S1 in a field (the one Clark just happened to land in) and knew it wasn't of Earthly orgin. Now we know it played the Kent-go-round and stayed with Swann for like, a year, but all Lex knows is that his stones were stolen (heh), he went to the cave to find them, he saw Clark standing in a shiny white light, and that all that was left was this bizarre key that he'd already thought went with the caves back in Skinwalker.

So while I wouldn't mind him looking for his source of all knowledge or whatever, I kind of got the feeling from that, the ship itself, (And the use of the Slumber clip in the credits) that we're see Lex's attentions shift to aliens and/or knowing about Clark (without Clark knowing.)



Yeah. And to think, the theory has been around since the Pilot if you look at the old KSite FAQs. And wow... it's going on two years old and maybe we'll pass the 10,000 mark. Heh, anyway, I'm inclined to agree; I did Chlois before ED's Lois -- but ED's Lois just is so... not right.

LucyWiggin (or, heck, Dread), can you refresh my memory regarding the incident of which you speak?

I believe DREAD predicted the lesbian vampire episode coming up

Well, Dread, pointing accusingly dared to joke about Chloe and Lois stripping. We all know what happened later.

Be still my beating heart! If only we were so lucky. *swoons at the thought*

Anyways, I agree that SV Lois isn't right. It's not so much that I believe Chloe=Lois (well, I do, but in an unofficial way), but I believe the writers/Powers That Be have deliberately moved Lois away from being the iconic character she's supposed to be.



Yeah, that whole scene read that way. Lois had a big smile on her face when Clark thanked her for helping his parents, it had this air, like, "Finally he notices me." I don't know if it was intentional or not, but it was weird.

Pretty much everything about Lois in Arrival was weird. She wasn't involved in much, but the things she was involved in had her being really...uninvolved. For example, she arrives at the Kent farm and helps Bo find Martha. Okay, fine. She finds her kind of easily, but whatever. Cut to the hospital, where Bo and Martha are both thanking her for saving them, but all she really did was drive the car.

Then you have Lois backtalking Aethyr, which is actually pretty normal for Lois. But then Lana comes in, convinces the dangerous bad guys to come with her, and Lois just...watches them go? It's just weird to have Lois hanging out at the hospital while knowing that Lana is in serious danger.

And then, of course, you have the part where Lois appears to forget she has a cousin named Chloe whom she last saw heading towards the Luthor mansion right before a meteor was set to hit. I do agree that it makes Lois look horrible, absolutely horrible, but I mostly think that the writers just didn't want her knowing anything about the events surrounding Chlark/Lex/FoS. And frankly, I find it comforting that she's being shoehorned into that at all.

Spec? I think Lois will bite the dust by season's/series' end. Just my opinion.

Purely speculation on my part but I think that clark is going to be the one to end the clana. In the end of arrival he pledges no more "secreths no more lieth". He may not hold any more secrets from her anymore but she has a pretty big one to hold from him. The fact that she murdered someone. I think that later in the season clark will find this out and break up with her.

Hey guys, so I'm reading Smallville magazine and they interview AlMiles. One thing they stated over and over is that they have always known the last scene of the show. So I thought it would be fun to speculate on what that scene may be. As I'm sitting here I'm watching Superman 1, and there are 2 scenes that I think they should copy for the last shot of the series.

1. Clark flies away for the first time in the FOS ala Chris Reeve.

2. (My personal favorite) Copy the shot of Superman flying over the Earth at night, and smiling for the camera. This is my inner geek speaking here.

These are just two thoughts that I had. Let me know if you guys think I'm losing my mind.

I could see him working at DP with Chloe and something happening after he's gone through discussing with her how he can anonymously help people. He then takes off after Chloe says ,"Go Clark" like she did in the FOS or hospital and he runs up to the roof, blurring into his outfit and then busts thru the roof door full Supes and jets off the roof, with the last frame freezing him a meter off the ground towards the sun/Planet Globe profile.

Seems cool in my imagination.

Alright, somebody has to go there.

Which of Clark's loved ones is going to die? Or, will the Magic Reset Button be hit that makes the answer "no one"?

Candidates we know he loves (without snark):
Bo
MamaKent
Lana

People he may soon grow to love, making them candidates:
Chloe
Lois
Jor-El

Now with snark:
Lex
Pete
Shelby
Some random new character

Although I'd hate to see him go - I think Jonathan will be the one to die. At least he should be. I mean how much of the Superman mythos are AlMiles willing to crap on?

I really, really want Bo to go. Martha too, if possible. Of course, I want Lana to be the first to bite it, but that's not going to happen. Does anybody else think that Clark doesn't want to tell her so that he would have more time with her before Jerelle finishes her off?

I'm ready for Bo to go. I really hated the idea that Bo might bite it last season, but only because last season was so sucky. I thought it would be insulting to let Bo die on such a low note. But now that things are picking up, I'm all right with letting him go.

I really don't think it will be Chloe. I believe Clark does love her, but the show has established that Lana, Bo, and Martha are the big loves in Clark's life. Besides which, I think the writers are actually doing a good job of opening up Clark's eyes to the truly great person Chloe is, and it appears that they'll continue to do so over the course of the season. Hmm, maybe that makes her vulnerable, but I don't think so.

You know, as much as it pains me (and it does - Chloe is the only character I care about in the show) I don't think that Clark loves Chloe. He didn't check on her after she was kidnapped by a psycho - he went to his barn to mope. If it wasn't for her guts and wit, she would have been dead by then. And he didn't care. It's a tragedy, because she loves him; with his abilities, without them, I think she would have loved him even without his looks. Maybe it's for the best. let him have Lana, he doesn't deserve Chloe.

Yeah, Clark doesn't love Chloe. Last night proved that to me. But, the really hard part is realizing that no one loves Chloe. No one asked about her wherabouts in Arrival, but Lex. No one asked about her last night. She is on her own in every sense of the word.

Her father is apparently gone, and she has to live with killing a boy who cared about her (even if he was a psycho and it was an accident). It's funny that in a season that is supposed to be Chloe-centric, nobody cares about our girl. This is so sad I don't have words to describe it. And yes, I know she's just a character, but I still feel for her.

Well, I think there have been some clear examples of Clark having a genuine, albeit platonic love for Chloe, the most recent being the rescue from the FoS in Arrival. Man, I still love the Chlark in that scene. But anyways, it's not romantic love and it's not familial love, and that's why I think Chloe's not considered a "big love" on this show. But Clark's seeing more and more why Chloe's his best friend, why he's lucky to have her, so I think she'll become more important as the season goes on.

I spoke on my feelings on Clark seeming to "forget" about Chloe in recent eps, so I'll keep this brief: Basically, I think they're establishing that Chloe is strong in her own right, can take care of herself better than a Human!Clark can, and is therefore not a DiD needing her hunky hero to come to her rescue every other ep.

Plus, the way the last few eps have worked out, Chloe *hasn't* needed Clark to help her out in the end. Granted, it would be nice if Clark were to come check on her on his own accord, but I'm not mad at him for it. Plus spoilers indicate that Clark takes Chloe to the hospital after she's bitten by one of the vampires, and sticks around at least long enough to learn that she has some sort of rabies-like virus and aren't sure how to cure it.

I take it that Chloe, and Clark knows this, can protect herself. Wasn't right of Clark, but he is a major ass.

Unlike both Lana and Lois, Chloe is smart, tough, resilient, and can take care of herself. Clark doesn't Love her, because she doesn't need Clark. Both Lana, and Lois, stupid, shallow, self-centered idiots, can't, so that is why he loves them.

Says more about Clark, Lana, and Lois, than it does about Chloe.

Clark just gets a kick out of being the hero. Gives him a stiffy. Chloe, who is smarter than Clark, tougher than Clark, and better than Clark, just intimadates him.

Like Richard Nixon used to do, never surround yourself with people who are smarter than you. Clark has taken this to heart. Sadly

*taking it to the Chloe thread*

Are you talking about SV Lois, or iconic Lois? I don't believe for a second that Clark loves SV Lois. He didn't even give a crap that she was leaving for good in Commencement, and only vaguely thanked her in Arrival after she basically goaded him into it. Nah, he doesn't love her.

Chloe is iconic Lois Lane, so of course I mean SV Lois. The difference between Lana and SV Lois, is that Lois has no problems spreading her legs for an alien. DiD, stupid, shallow, self-obsessed, only Lana lives in the town of Smallville, Lois lives in the big city of Metropolis.

Clark and Lana break up.
Clark starts falling for Chloe as they work together.
Jor-El goes ZAP and Chloe dies.

Perhaps in the last episode of the last season, not before. Who is going to watch Chloeless Smallville?

But even a dead Chloe is smarter, tougher and better than a living Lois. Also kind of makes Lois the Chloe stand in, not very romantic

Somehow my reply to the "Hidden" thread ended up here. Moved where it belongs...

I think Jerelle's words have to be taken with a grain of salt. Just because he says it's someone Clark loves doesn't mean it'll be true. The writers are just pencilling that in now. They'll retcon it later if they need to. They've already retconned the premier and we're only on the 3rd episode, with Clark saying that he "gave up" his powers when he did no such thing. So during some Sweeps month, someone will die in exchange for Clark's rebirth, and if it's not someone he loves, we can either be told he loved them, or we can be told that Jerelle said something else entirely.

Long story short, I don't think Chloe's safe just because the textual evidence doesn't support Clark loving her.

On the other hand it seems like it'd have to be someone Super if Jerelle really means it about the "balance" issue. Plus, Clark actually told Chloe about the threat and he didn't tell his parents. Since the writers are fond of moping and non-learning Clark, I'd lean towards one of his parents dying and Clark realizing too late he should have told them. Bo is sort of Super, or he was for a while, so it'd be a more even "exchange" in the big Kosmic Krypto Balancing game.

This season is really, really ambitious by SV standards.

• They've introduced three significant villains they have to balance in Brainiac and Zod (their storylines may merge at some point)
• Jor-El since he is acting every bit the villain, too, adding fuel to what I've always believed, which is that he is NOT Jor-El (Eradicator, probably)
• They're choosing this season to push Lex beyond the Point of No Return (so that makes FOUR villains)
• They've introduced something that threatens to be a season-long arc (someone you love will die).
• They've finally gotten to the payoff of the Clana 'ship
• They've given Chloe a meatier part
• They've added Lois to the credited cast
• They have to deal eventually with people going off to college and living in new cities

The question is, can they keep momentum going for that many things at once? I'd love to think so, and so far they've done a darn credible job. If they can keep it up, it'll be by far the best SV season ever. If they can't, it'll be the most disappointing.

Ooooo, I like that list of demands. Well, the first two anyway. Chlois...well, in a way I'll be sadder if Chloe ends up with that whiny ass Clark than if she dies in a martyr-like way/goes nutso.



Ha!

Additional snark

Granpa Clark! And they don't even have to show him again.

I think they can--Smallville is a show about how two characters went from "A" to "B" and when they do episodes about getting to "B" they're generally pretty good, they have stuff happening and changes and etc.
Outside the episodes with said developments, they generally flounder, so I would think that by setting up so much stuff, they're in a "safer" area.

I don't know. There are certain things about this season that are better than the last but I think a lot of the fundamental things are still problematic. I think if I were watching this season without any knowledge of the past seasons, I'd enjoy it more. But Jor-El is still confusing and needlessly vague, Clark still seems like a hapless victim of fate in his own story, Lex is obscure, enormous leaps of faith are still required (boys who aren't Matthew Broderick can learn how to launch missiles, and villains will turn their back on the hero before he is dispatched), timelines and consequences seem arbitrary.

As for what's better. I think the dialogue has improved. It's snappier but at the same time less strained, although we'll see if that holds up when Lois returns. There's a lot of flash and glitter with all the namedropping (Zod, Brainiac, etc) but at least there's a basis for it, and not just some made-up French witch crap. Clark has someone to talk to, so we have insight to his thoughts sometimes. They may be acknowledging the unhealthy nature of the Clana.

But I think they need to make sure they follow up on stuff. Like, there's 10X more Kryptonite in town now. That's trouble. Aliens invaded town and people witnessed it. There should be some xenophobia. Even if most people think the DuhCiples were just "normal" mutants, not everyone would, and the idea would be out there gaining steam. They blew up how many police cars? Clark needs to question Jor-El. He needs to be an active participant in the shaping of his own future. Lana needs to not be completely pure and blameless in the eventual Clana break-up. Clark and Lex may not have any reason to be friends anymore, but I want to see them regretting some things in the past, or missing what friendship they once had. If they don't care that they're enemies, then neither will I.

And as much as I hated the Stones last year, I want some closure on them. Lex doesn't know that they don't exist anymore. If he was so obsessed with them last year, he should wonder about them. Wouldn't he think that, perhaps, the Stones have something to do with opening the ship? "Only he can open it" Lion-El says. With what? A key, as far as Lex knows. A key made of the Stones.

b]Cyb’s[/b] comment about there being a lot more kryptonite in town made me think – it could be really interesting if they did a story dealing with Clark’s guilt (over the original meteor shower, over the “person you love who’s gonna die”) using this fact. Someone could claim to have developed cancer as a result of all the new radioactive rocks. It could turn out that this isn’t true, they were already sick…but it’d provide a way of exploring Clark’s general sense that everything’s his fault and help him move on to a position where he feels a duty to help that’s nothing to do with guilt, or that guilt isn’t relevant: he has to get over those feelings and move forward to a place where he’s ready to spank his inner asshat and embrace the cape.

Guilt does seem to be a big theme this season. I’d like to see it explored head on and not just through moping scenes. The last scene with Chloe in Hidden could be a promise of that direct treatment…or it could be a harbinger of a season of moping. I’m hopeful though.

Speaking of fresh loads of meteor in SV. There needs to be a few minutes just like Clana running up the hill like JackJill. Clark picks up a piece of FRESH metoer and throws it. There must be tons of the chunks everywhere now. Clark should be weaving around in pain or with lower powers. But it'll never be addressed again.