I don't think Clark and Chloe are ever going to have The Talk. I see things playing out one of three ways:

1. Chloe goes on protecting him and helping him without his knowledge. She either dies or goes insane, carrying the secret with her to the grave/asylum.

2. Chloe just plain forgets about the whole thing, because Jor-El mind-whammies her in the caves.

3. Clark finds out that Chloe knows, but instead of talking to her about it, he assumes she snooped and investigated him, and things become chilly between them.

In the interests of the story, they should have The Talk, because it's dragged on so long and been built up so much. But, the same thing happened to the Chlark relationship in season 2. Season 1 had a ton of build up, then before they could really make a go of it, things just... came to a screeching halt. For whatever reasons, the writers just didn't pursue what seemed to many like the natural build up of the story. I think they're probably going to do something similar with The Secret storyline, too.

One thing I've kind of come to the conclusion of is that the end in the cave, that giant light was definitely Memory Eraser. How much of the memory was erased, I don't know, but I wouldn't understand how either Chloe or Lex could ever act the same around Clark. Chloe's been good with the hints, but the breaking point needs to be walking into an invisible door in a cave wall. Same with Lex, even if he suspects Clark at this point, it's merely suspicion; seeing him walk into the wall will forever hinder ever Clex scene in this show since they can no longer be friends, or even ATM/user. And it would also make sense that Jerrell would include that there as yet another failsafe. Could it be that everything blocked out could be up to the safe scene or them coming to the caves? Possibly. But they saw too much that night. This way it'll also let the audience in on Evil!Lex but keep the characters (except Lana kind of) in the dark about his...darkness. However, I wouldn't be mad to see S5 opening with the meteors falling up above and a stunned Chloe and Lex in the collapsing caves as they help each other get out.

The Talk: The worst would be Clark superspeeding into the room of a a sedated, restrained Chloe and whispering everything to her before superspeeding out making her look more insane. That might just be up their alley... But anyway, it needs to happen, sometime, maybe the series finale, maybe as Clark holds a dying Chloe, but it needs to happen. There's too much build up, too many fans want it, for all their faults, I can't see them wasting another season of "Man, this jar of pickles is so hard to open. Know anyone with superstrength Clark?" The best for me would be Clark telling her, even with her mind somewhat erased, after spending an entire summer finding the diamond in the snow. What will probably happen is it happening sometime quarter through the season after the continues to help him with a "oh and by the way, I'm an alien."

Lana: Would PTSD be logical for her to face after the shower? Yes. Will it happen. I don't think so. The first two or three episodes might be Lana "sad" (but no more sadder than usual) and mention of how her parents died from meteors and how she was almost killed from meteors and what do meteors have against her but by episode 4 it'll be back to chipper Lana.

The ship. Let's be honest and realize, they have no idea what's in it. If it is an evil Clark lookalike, can he have a goatee? He can be shirtless if you desire. What about a baby Lana can raise all by her lonesome since she's a go-get-em gal?! I don't think it'll be a supervillain or at least an accurate representation of a DC-one. They've had four seasons to bring us supervillains and the best we've gotten was Dr. Quinn. Every season there's always these little hints of something like this to come (A Zod, a Braniac, etc.) and so far, there's really been nothing even close- why would this start in the final season? We really know nothing about Kryptonians (other then Jerrel being an intergalactic swinger or Kryptonian Zaphod Beeblebrox, take your pick) or what might be other aliens in the solar system. I'm just imagining Isobel Redux, something in there gives Lana more crazy magic powers or a computer/book/crystal granting her full knowledge of Clark and the Kryptonians.

ETA: If Lana does end up getting controllably powers, then her decision to remain in Smallville will be because of her noble duty to defeats FOTWs rather than fear.

You have to remember that Lex never saw Clark in the Caves, he got there just as the light was too blinding to make out anything. I don't think there will be a memory wipe. For the simple fact that they know we are pissed off right now, and they can't possibly be that stupid. I know with the bitterness that's out there people will say I'm full of shit, but I just can't see it. Now with Lana, I can definetly see them going with the memory wipe angle, but not Chloe.

cyb - I understand your skepticism, especially after the Chluthor storyline was so noticeably dropped this season. Lionel was found guilty in Gone and the only other reference to what happened btw Lionel/Chloe/Lex was in Transference when Lionel toyed with Chloe about what he might do to her if he got out.

And there wasn't a single JG/Lionel scene with Chloe was there? I just thought about that. Lame.

But, the secret storyline is about Clark just as much as it is about Chloe, so I think they'll give the audience a payoff there. Also, I think they'll have to do it so that Clark and Chloe can continue to interact together next season.

ETA I agree with wrighty that Lex probably didn't see Clark, just the bright light. Also, if they were going to do a memory wipe with Chloe, they would have probably done it with Blank since it had the perfect setup for it.

Except that AM already said in a SV mag interview that they will...they're just dragging it out until next season. In the part where she lamented about the hints Chloe's been dropping being a tad overkill.

Edited b/c spoiler tags are our friends.

Yeah that's why they showed CHloe pushing Lex into the cave wall, she stalled him just long enough, clark disappeared, and by the time Lex joined Chloe there was only the blinding light coming from that direction.

I, too, can't see chlark interacting this season without some kind of resolution to all that build up. I just can't see it. Maybe it is too optimistic..but it doesn't make sense because his connection to CHloe and Lex will be Clark's tether to Metropolis, and there's supposed to be a lot more Metropolis in S5.

I know, but plans change, or get forgotten. JG said Lionel was supposed to go seeking out Martha once he got out of jail, and be torn between the influences of her and Mama Teague. That, sadly, never happened. I'd actually like to be wrong, but I really don't see The Talk happening. Or at least I'm not getting my hopes up.

I like Chloe too however, people keep forgetting these facts:

1. Spirit, that is the Chloe story in a nutshell. She can work her ass off but she won't get the payoff ever even if it totally makes sense to the point even someone who hates Chloe went huh? at the Clana dance.
2. AlMiles doesn't understand why not every single man & woman & child wants to sniff Lana's crotch.
3. The writers think like AlMiles, didn't Jennifer Peterson admit Lana was her favorite character write while Holly claimed she likes "everyone"
4. Al part of the AlMiles said that Chloe's never going to get a break.

I'd bet Clark and Chloe will have 'the talk' at some point next season, and he'll know that she knows he has powers. That said, I'm not expecting it to be much of a payoff. I view things pretty much as mobiusklein laid out above- i.e., SV is the story of Lana Lang and the tragic love she shares with the man who will be Superman.

The Chloe stuff or the Lex stuff or, well, the Superman stuff? That's all secondary and will be written like the afterthought it is.

To put it bluntly, TPTB lie all the time to the actors and the viewers. All that meta about how it's going to be different next season, well, they're lies. Nothing is going to be different. It's just that for a season/series finale, Clark does a lightswitch and flies to Metropolis, pining for his lost Lana who then cries a little, throws a tantrum but can be assumed to go on to find some other sucker whose balls she can keep in her purse. Chloe is quickly forgotten or maybe they all have a laugh while they roast marshmellows over her casket. The rest of Lex's evil is communicated via e-mails. The ship will probably be forgotten after the first couple episodes just like the nipple clamps unless it does something to Lana then we'll hear about the stupid thing ad nauseum.

It's gotten to the point I could write THEIR version of the show with my eyes closed and half-asleep.

I'm with Cyb on this one.

I can't honestly see it happening unless Chloe's mortally wounded, terminally ill, or batsh** crazy. Or unless she goes out Alicia-style 2.0 and takes a bullet for Clark to keep his damn secret.

I can imagine Clark having the Talk with Lana though. That's pretty much a given before the season ends.



That poor bastard would be Product Placement Pete. Who leaves his lucrative endorsement career pimping Old Spice Red Zone and at last, surrenders to the Lana-madness that has gripped the rest of the town. Of course, Lana pulls the same crap she always does and leaves him to try and get Clark back, which sends Pete right over into FotW super-villany.

Damn you, Lana...

Sorry, double post messup.

You have to remember as stupid, illogical, moronic and as character development retarding as it is, AlMiles is screaming at the top of their lungs that it's leaving Lana's ass in SV that's the tragedy for Clark (not as we assumed Lex's descent into whatever). They already had dead!Chloe and Lana didn't give a rat's ass and while Clark & Lois (one of the few things I do give her points for) looked for her, flirting over her grave just plain sucked and felt like the writers' way of saying her ass doesn't matter like it was a joke, like she was just another "Whitney" to them.

I'm not afraid of what's going to come of the Clark/Chloe "secret" storyline. I already know that whatever happens will be an emotionally unfulfilling cop-out. Chloe will never reap the spoils, and if she does it will be at the very very end of the show. It will be so close to the end that it feel more like a retcon than a resolution.

Okay...so I see having an actual conversation about alternative possibilities for this story line aside from "This show sucks" isn't going to be possible right now.

Sometimes, I feel like I walked into a monthly meeting of the Scortched Earth Society.

*shrugs*

(shrugs) three years of being burned and lied to by TPTB does that to people.

I'd like them to do the right thing by all the characters. Finally have people be like beginning!Adam to Lana (which actually seems to bring out the actress in KK), Chloe being told ALL the secret (not just Clark begrudging going "yeah, powers, yeah," but nothing about being from outer space), Clark getting it through his head that his behavior IS an integral part of Lex's downfall and his parents being called on the hypocracy of asking money from a man they despise.

But what is the likelihood based on the TPTB's past behavior. Not encouraging and their cowardice in not showing up at Comic Con doesn't help either.

Sure, we can talk about what SHOULD be done based on what they've given us so far. I don't think it's unfair to state how unlikely that's going to happen.

As for the timing of the Clark/Chloe talk, I'd say that if it doesn't take place in the opening episodes of the season, then it'll be the 100th episode, which will probably air during February sweeps. It doesn't look likely that any character will die in said episode, omitting possible new semi-regulars, so that Chlark talk would be the punch of that landmark episode.

This way, they would be able to concentrate on the Clana in the first half of the season, and after the 100th episode, they'd start to disintegrate the relationship, having Clark pulled toward Metropolis more and more. So, what would Chloe be doing to abide her time? Possibly look for her mother, although I can't see that storyline continuing for more than a few episodes, mainly because that might require continuity between episodes. Lois might keep Chloe company in an episode or two, that is, if the writers are willing to part ways between Clark and Lois.

As for Chloe getting a boyfriend, well, I'd love to see it happen, if he were a legitimate love interest instead of a lame FOTW. But I think TPTB already have their tables full with the storylines they've got going, so adding a boyfriend for Chloe could be pushing it. Especially if they intend to follow through with knowing Clark's secret and the crazy mother storylines.

When do you suppose we'll start hearing of potential storylines for next season? Apart from what's already out there?

I think if they wanted to, they could easily find room. Or make room. We got witches and tattoos and football and bad sisters and three love interests for Lana last season. The writers are not shy about cramming in stories, or parts of stories (hello and goodbye, Nipple Clamps). The question is: Do they want to? Based on past evidence, I'd say no.

But if they did get a boyfriend for Chloe, I would almost bet money that they'd bring in Jimmy. That way it wouldn't just be a boyfriend for Chloe (because I don't think that would be enough reason for them to have a new character around) but an extra big anvil, as they are fond of.

Probably next month. When did we first start hearing about Lois? I can't remember now.

I honestly think that if they were going to ever give Chloe a real boyfriend, then they would've done it by now. Heck, Clark hasn't gotten a real girlfriend yet, I don't know what Chloe's chances of getting a relationship of her own are. I really thought they would've gone there for both characters by the third season, but they haven't. I also thought they would've pulled back on the Lana panting, but instead it's only gotten stronger.

To tell you the truth, I'm still amazed that people can still talk about characters in terms of their characterizations instead of like little wind-up dolls performing the weekly script. Ya gotta realise that people's enthusiasm has been sucked dry.

I used to *love* to talk about possible character directions and motivations, but my brain refuses to put it's hand on the hotplate again (how's that for a mixed metaphor -- brains with hands?) The best I can come up with now is what will happen based on past MO by AlMiles, kneejerk reactions to the ratings or pressure from the network, stories based on some catchy, one word episode title they come up with and morbid attention on the character of Lana Lang.

It's pretty much a given that not another thing will matter or make sense, and nothing that's gone before will ever be followed to any sort of logical, organic conclusion. What will happen is whatever the hell they feel like writing that week.

If they remember Chloe's actually in the show, that will be a start if you ask me. She's more likely to go the way of Pete and Lex of "Pete and Lex who?" fame.

In The Spoiler Thread, Lois rumors actually started in the middle of June of last year (June 15th to be exact- page 195). Jason spoilers started a couple days earlier. It's strange to see how many people expected the Jason character to be a "bust," shows what you know! Oh wait...

And I don't think that all the comments just end up as "This Show Sucks, ignore it" there are plenty of adequate, actual ideas for show but as leaping lucas said, you can only run in circles so many times. So many of the comments in S4 spoilers eerily echo both what actually happened (the mocking ones were spot on) and what'll go on in concepts for S5.

Actually, I think I predicted that Jason would turn out to be Evil! all along despite TPTB insistance that they wouldn't pull out that tired card again.

I would like to think that they will redeem themselves. That an alien or Kryptonian in the ship will be evil, fight Clark, cause massive collateral damage and death, and injure Lex personally in some way, so he becomes fanatically convinced that no being that powerful, which could do that much potential damage, should be trusted or free. That would move him back to a grey area where you could sympathize with his point of view, if not his methods.

I would like to see Clark take an active interest in college and journalism, even serving as a college intern at the Daily Planet, where he can investigate the ongoings of the Evil! alien and Luthorcorp and thwart them both.

I would not mind seeing Clark and Chloe be open and honest with each other. Whether or not he tells Lana before her, I don't really care. If he tells Chloe first, I'll start to like him more.

I would like to see them go ahead and ditch the "No flight" rule. They've gone back on a lot of other statements they've made, they should ditch this one too.

I would not mind seeing Pete come back.

I would like Characters to have a memory of what happens from week to week.

I would like to see the Lex-men (not sure who to TM on that one) come out (heh...) and fight Clark as a team, whom Lex now sees as a legitimate threat to Earth.

I would like TPTB to explain why Jor-EL was a rat bastard for three years, and then decided that all he really wanted Clark to do was help the Earthlings... Bi-polar? Bad PMS for three years?

Do I think it might happen? I don't know. I hear Egypt's nice this time of year, so I might hold on to hope...

That and they make things so predictable now. Everyone on the show has become two or one dimensional, or been lightswitched. Clark lightswitched to 'Supes', Lex lightswitched to evil, Lionel lightswitched 'good' then 'lightswitched' back to evil. Kents, drones of Lana if they show up or just bad platitudes, Chloe floormatted for the use of Lois and her Highness, the not one but two Mary Sues of the show. Continuity? Creativity? Compassion? Intelligence? Rift? Stuff of Legends?

I think we can call this Sadomasicville now.

Smallville is dead. But I feel the fans that come here still hold on to the dream. Even if we are betrayed again and again. The bitterness shows how damn much we care for the show, not how we hate it or aren't fans because of dissatisfaction. I loved it, but now I just want it to be put out of it's misery. Like Old Yeller.

The surest thing I can say about S5 is that they'll be more Supes mythology, if only because the Fortress has shown up, there's another alien ship in town, actors' contracts are ending, and the new movie in coming out.

I'd like to say that there'll be more Lex, but I'm not too sure about that. The official website has that banner where little Lex is squashed in right under big Lana's head. Too early to say if that's representative of the S5 marketing campaign.

I do think that they may decide to focus wholly on Clark's ascendence into Superman and the wrapping up of his relationship with Lana while keeping nebulous ties to Metropolis via Chloe. Lois may move to Metropolis and some of the show may focus into her journey to become the DP's hotshot reporter. Lex will probably become a shadowy figure, disappearing into the background and once more re-emerging as Superman's greatest foe just as Clark decides to don the primary tights.

The last episode will be Clark leaving Smallville and Lana for good, carting his broken heart to Metropolis and meeting Lois once again, then going full on against Lex, who will bear little or no resemblance to the S1-S3 Lex. Right until the very end of the battle, where suddenly there will be a flicker of goodness or whatever in Lex's face. Then Superman will realize he can't hurt his former friend and Lex will live to fight again another day. Or something.

Anyone, feel free to shoot me down.

Or if you're not going to break the no flights rule, at least have him use his super jumping ability more often. I'm getting kinda sick of the super speed. Have something where someone is in trouble in a highrise or something and all he has to do is bend down and jump to get there in time.

This discussion has made me dread getting the first spoilers for next season. It could be really, really good, or just so frustratingly bad.

There should be something significant in that ship.
And Chloe and Clark need to have The Talk really early in the season to end the cat and mouse game.

I hope they can at least see that much. But, while I try to keep my optimism up, ya'll keep bringing up all the times they've screwed up and let the audience down and I get a bad feeling about next season.

ETA: The above is what I think should happen no matter what for good storytelling. But, as a Chloe fan, I gotta admit, I have my heart set on a really cute guy falling for Chloe next year and *not* trying to kill her.

This show? Never!

coalhouse - LOL. Okay, sarcasm noted. I know I should accept it, but I'm ready for them to learn from their mistakes already. It's like an abusive relationship, at some point, you gotta give up no matter what potential there might be. What's really sad, is that I keep holding on to my secret wish list.

- Someone hugging/holding Chloe and/or Lex all night. Not in a sexual way, just someone really comforting them when they need it and seeming like they deeply care for them. Before Commencement, I was holding on to the hope for them to hold each other that way. On Buffy, they did this w/Buffy and Spike in "Touched" and on Roswell, they did it with Michael and Maria and I just swooned. It's so romantic to see someone just be there for you. I even have the background song in mind - "Collide" by Howie something or other.

- And a real birthday party for Chloe - one she actually gets to enjoy a little bit.

-a male friend for Lex to party with who doesn't use him as an ATM.

- A Gabe/Chloe scene in which they actually talk about something important.

and lots of other little things that will never happen on this show all about Lana.

Yeah, I noticed the same thing. It's uncanny, and funny, in a weird kind of way.

I'm gonna go ahead and speculate that the ship contains the Solomons who've returned to this third rock from the sun. Sally will become Mercy (c'mon, she's a shoo-in for that spot); Dick will strike up a friendship with Bo, who will teach Dick all the platitudes in the universe; Tommy will take it upon himself to make Clark smarter; and Harry will get a job at the Talon and will keep Lana as his accessory.

Ok, the next idea is stolen from a book I have no idea how to spell its name in English: The ship we saw will grow larger and larger, killing Lana on its way (one can dream!) till it will become a monument to Kal-El's ruling - and the date will be ten years or so in the future.

I speculate that Lana will be told she's the "heart" of Zartha by men-in-black and will be told to get into the ship and she'll fly off the face of the planet, leaving Earth finally free of her presence.

Or maybe it'll open up and it's really the Blob and she'll just stare at its pinkness until it utterly consumes her.

Bringing this over from the Joy. Fun. Season in the Sun thread.

I have speculated that they may say there was a conspiracy relating to Chloe's mom's illness. Perhaps, it was all a bunch of lies and someone like Lionel, set it up so Chloe's mom thought she was going insane and then had her doctors electroshock her into insanity - his EXACT same m.o. with Lex. Maybe Chloe's mom found out something bad about Lionel and he did it to silence her and covered it up by changing her medical records. Of course, I could be totally off, but it would give her mom's story enough substance that Chloe could investigate into it and find out the whole truth thereby putting her in danger with the Luthors again. Wouldn't that be a juicy plot for Chloe? Lionel ruined her life and her family and her mother's life. And wouldn't that be a great way to test Lex's ethics? If he knew what Lionel had done, and felt sorry for it b/c he had been a victim, too, but realizing that if he let Chloe reveal the truth that it could cost him his fortune. Would he really sacrifice his fortune to do the right thing?

Additionally, I thought this could integrate Perry White into the story. Perhaps, Chloe's mom was an anonymous tipster to Perrry and gave him the info. on Lionel that Perry talked about in "Perry", but that when she went insane or disappeared Perry was left without the last piece of evidence he needed to go forward with the story. And Lionel threatened Perry into submission so he gave up going forward with the story and Perry became so ashamed he turned to drinking.

So, Perry would have a connection with Chloe that neither of them knew about, but which they (and we) could discover next season.

Part of what I like about this story is that it reminds me of this guy I knew whose mom went to jail for his stepdad's murder. When he grew up, he went to law school, got his license, reviewed her case file, found out the D.A. had hidden evidence that would have helped his mother's case. He appealed his mother's case and got her a new trial with the new evidence and she was acquitted and freed from jail. This stuff really happens.

Can I just say that I love this speculation and really wish it would come into fruition.

I remember a quote from Al I think about Chloe and Lana and it said something like... Lana looks at Clark the wrong way and she's hated, but Chloe betrays him and nobody bats an eyelid (or something - I can't really remember it). So I always thought (and maybe I'm completely paranoid) that the Chluther arc was kind of meant to make us dislike her, like the despinement of S2 (which backfired). And your spec...isn't trying to do that. It's giving Chloe a good character arc that isn't gonna turn us against her, and I'm not sure if AlMiles would give up any of their precious Blana screentime for a character they barely seem to like.

But you bring up a good point in why does she need Lex's help when she already knows where her mother is. But then again, she's said the mental illness is hereditary which implies that she knows more than one family member that's had it, and her mum really could just be ill. Hmmm.

In Scare, it was implied that Chloe discovered for the first time that her mother had a hereditary mental illness which would NOT make sense if Chloe had other relatives who had the same thing. If she had, then Chloe would have known about it before. The most likely source for Chloe's information is her mother's medical file. Chloe probably found it and researched the illness thereby discovering that it is hereditary.

As for the rest, I admit, I love the idea b/c it pulls back out so many threads from previous episodes. Lex covering for his father's deals/experiments. Lex's own electroshock. Perry's undisclosed issue with Lionel and it would explain why Perry dropped it. Also, it would connect Perry and Chloe which I think is super cool. And it kinda brings up Lionel's attraction to Chloe. Gabe worked for the Luthors for years, maybe Chloe's mom was also super curious and looked into something and couldn't stop digging until she found the truth. Perhaps even though Lionel ruined her life, he felt a little regret about it and still respected Chloe's mom for her smarts. Plus, it would explain why Lionel had such a high esteeem for Chloe's abilities from the get-go.

ETA: I don't hate Lana. She's irrelevant to me. I find her boring and that is their fault.

Actually, if I remember it correctly, she only knows it's hereditary based on the disease that she was told her mother had.

Given that Lois somehow escapes the madness, it is plausible speculation.

Of course, it's also pretty damn good, and not about Lex killing puppies, Clark acting like a jackass, or the preternaturally pretty Ms. Lang, so it's not going to happen.

Granted, it sounds too good to be true. But, what else can they do with Chloe's mom's story if they are going to make a storyline out of it?

You silly thing, they'll make it all about Lana. Duh!

No really, I enjoy your speculation, Massena1. Carry on.

As I said on the other thread, they could build upon the stuff in Perry, Truth and Shattered. This story would let them all converge.

And I like that Lex and Chloe could have the same conversation they had in Truth but this time, with Lex telling Chloe to stop looking into the past.

Also, remember that scene from Blank in which Chloe finds the recording of Kevin Grady's electroshock and he begs for his father not to do it? Want to talk gut-wrenching ...imagine Chloe finding a tape of her mom doing the same thing and begging for them not to do this to her b/c of her daughter and how much she loves her and that she doesn't want to abandon her? Dry eye in all the viewing audience? I think not.

And for Lex to choose to cover it up... well, I could understand the dilemma, but if they really want to turn me against Lex, that would be it. And much more meaningful than making it about Lana lust.

And I could buy Lex being the bad guy there. Anyone would find it hard to do the right thing if it meant potentially losing their fortune. But, then if he did something to try to harm someone to keep his secret, even if he didn't succeed, it would be hard to forgive him.

It's the difference between mediocrity and greatness. They have all the foundation there, and AM hinted that they are going to take it - and I have my fingers crossed that this is what she meant.

Right you are. I dunno why, but I thought it had been passed down more than one generation.

But I think it is plausible for Chloe not to have known about it if relatives on her mother's side had had it. When Chloe was researching her family tree she had no interest in trying to find out more about the people who had abandoned her, and because she's only just found out her mother, I assume she hasn't had any contact on her mother's side either otherwise she would've known earlier about the illness.




How are Lois and Chloe related (I know they're cousins) but do we know which of their parents are related? Or did I miss that?

Hmm... interesting question.

I had always assumed that Chloe's mom was the one related to the Lanes. Probably to fanwank why Lois wasn't interested in finding out who 'killed' her uncle to. If he wasn't her blood, it would make sense to focus on her cousin more.

Actually, you know, speaking of mom's I'm noticing a pattern: Lois' mom = Dead; Lana's mom = pancaked; Lex's mom = bats*** crazy; Chloe's mom = probably crazy; Lana's aunt (mother figure) = "abandoned" her; Pete's mom = Pulled him away from his life and friends.

I'm thinking TPTB might have a few mommy issues...

I totally love this idea. It would be a way to totally make the show take off. Talk about going to Buffy School: it would rival a Buffy arc for its depth and scope. Bringing in previous threads into a single, cohesive storyline is great writing. Can they pull it off?

I can even take it a step further: if Lex's mom is bats*** crazy, and Chloe's mom is too, and it's a hereditary illness ... then Chloe and the Luthors can even be related.

And further: I think IRONSIDE! is related directly to Chloe, is he not? If he's brother of Chloe's disturbed mother, then Lois is also in the mix as a Luthor relative, which would be different from canon, but acceptable if they're not like half-siblings or first cousins or anything. Considering how unstable Lucy is, you could start to see how the illness might be in Lois' genes too.

Wow, there's so much potential there you just can't help but wonder how they'll screw it up.

Incidentally, it's not just mommy issues, it's parent issues. The whole show seems to be built around people's dysfunctional relationships with their parents. Lex/Lionel is the main one. Then there's Grady in Blank, there's the fact that Bo and Clark literally duked it out once, there's Jason and Gertrude ...

They never specified how Lois and Chloe are cousins. I'd say Chloe's mom and Lois' mom were sisters, but I've seen people suggest that Ironside and Chloe's mom were siblings.

coalhouse It is a great idea isn't it? It is really great storytelling. And best of all, I think it's possible that is what they are thinking. Notice how the producers wrote to K-site and told them AM's comments about looking for her mother in Metropolis in S5 should be "speculation" and not "spoiler." It was the same time AM told everyone about her scene with Lex in the library. AM cracks me up. She can't keep a secret. She also told an interviewer a LONG time ago that Chloe would be the one to pull Clark to Metropolis. Hee.

And yes, I did consider the sibling thing, but I didn't even mention it b/c I HATED that idea. I do not want Lex and Chloe to be related in any way. It would make the whole thing cheesy and a complete Star Wars rip off (Lionel: Chloe, I am your father or Lex: You're my sister). Yuck.

But if it does happen can we start calling Chloe Ms. Parker and Lex Jared?

Yikes. I hate to admit any cultural illiteracy, but who are Ms. Parker and Jared?

Massena, tell Springsteen to get a new nickname, because you're ALREADY the Boss!

Oh yes. I'm on the same thought-train, Massena. First class. :)

Heh, keep tossing around that tasty speculation, Allison! Maybe by exciting the fans this way, fan reinforcement will set fire to the right ears and some of those good ideas can find their way back into the show.

If only. They'd have to Realize their mistakes, first. :[ In the meantime, I imagine them asking -- What new ways can we find to keep Lana at the center of all things and make everyone love her as we do?

Such as her Mother. That's a conversation they need to have. How long has she been in that asylum, and did Gabe even know about it? And Should she be in that asylum at all? I, too, immediately thought that she may've been comitted for reasons Other than insanity. For the sake of thirst-quenching story-juice and the potential payoffs, I sincerely hope that something nefarious is going on there.

And I hope Nana Visitor is available... :)

Well, I'm happy that other people are excited about this possibility as I am. ainoarwen want to make Lana a part of this? Ok - here's where I admit I'm going over the edge into dreamland good.

MR said something recently about how he blames Lionel for his mom's death. Let's say Lana gets a power like Clark's in Relic, and sees things or maybe is able to read people's minds - something in which *she* finds out that Mrs. Luthor when she was pregnant with Julian caught Mrs. Sullivan snooping and they had a confrontation. Mrs. Sullivan tells Mrs. Luthor about this HORRIBLE thing that Lionel is involved in. Mrs. Luthor confronts Lionel with it and then Mrs. Sullivan goes "crazy" and is put in a mental ward.

Lex is about 7 years older than Chloe, so at about the same time as his 12th birthday party in Memoria, Chloe's mom leaves her family (age 5). Maybe they are connected and the reason Mrs. Luthor got so depressed and began thinking her husband was a monster is because of what he did to Mrs. Sullivan. Lana finds this out and tells Lex thereby putting her in the middle of everything. Lex would ask Lana to keep it a SECRET and she'd be torn b/w her two friends. B/c if Chloe knew the secret it would ruin Lex. And Lex is a victim here, too. (notice the Lexana angle they have been building up there.) Plus, it's in the past anyway, what good would it do to tell Chloe, right?

I realize this sounds crazy. But, I'm not adding anything to the show. I'm just suggesting that they might connect two past events (well several) that seemingly were not connected before. Another Lineage basically.

Ok Masseena print that last post and send it to the WB care of ALMILES. God that would be a great episode.

Trevacious Guy -
Ooh a man after my own heart!! Are you a Niner?

Oh, God no, what do you take me for? ;) Lana is the bane of my SV fandom.

Massena1, Ms Parker and Jarod are characters from the late The Pretender series. Along the course of the show, the viewers found out that those two were siblings. I think. UndergroundMan, feel free to swoop in and correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm getting kinda intrigued by the fact that there are no spoilers to be had at this point. This time last year, people were already discussing Jason and Lois. Are TPTB holding out on us? If they are in an effort to make a better season, I won't hold it against them.