That's what I thought. Thanks for clarification.



Bah. If Clark kills Linda (which to the looks of it, he will succeed) then I wonder why she's also being suffocated by Davis. Unless that's Chloe he's suffocating...

I wonder if Chloe and Linda will have any scenes together. Since Lois had no part in Hydro with Linda, I find it weird that Lois is involved and gets into a smack down. Whatever, continuity doesn't mean shit on this show.

I'm guessing Linda. The hair is too blond to be Chloe's.

Lois has been gone for a month, she needs to make up the SWF of Chloe.


The only reason why I am unsure is because Linda's hair is long, and it looks short when Davis suffocates the woman.

Also it seems that Davis transforms in front of Chloe at the Talon, she runs to her car, he pulls the door up and beats her. Chloe survives, and is in the hospital where he finishes the job.

Currently, Chloe's is cut much shorter. It's Linda. She's suffocated by Davis in the psych ward. You'll notice the cuffs on her.

Um, if Clark and Oliver can kill people, why is it called the Justice League.

Also, now Lois gets to SWF Chloe by stealing Arrival and also by stealing Hydro. I'd bet even more SWF before we're done.

Seriously, anyone on the JL who hasn't killed someone?

So in the alternate universe Linda doesn't have a meteor power? Otherwise stabbing and cuffs wouldn't be an obstacle.

So... How did she get famous then? They established she was a hack until after she got her meteory ability.

I think that is Linda too and I think Davis will kill her to protect team Kent at the end of the episode I think after the time travel or magical crystal erase whatever happened Davis will kill her, thus meaning that he probably is already killing for Chloe I wonder is that is why she takes him in...

I find it funny, in Apocalypse, Clark goes to Lois for help, and fails to save the world even getting killed himself.

Now in Infamous, he asks Lois to write his story, he becomes Public Enemy number 1 and possibly kills Linda Lake. (Which by killing her will only make her a martyr and people will think he killed her because she revealed his true alien plans.)

When will Clark learn going to Lois for anything will only end in disaster?

If we get a time reversal on the rest of the Red Blue Blur stuff, does that also mean Chloe no longer gets to know that Davis is Doomsday?

I'm going to post what I think happens in the spoiler thread bc it involves sides.

I'm only interested in Davis as well. He really looks like he's going insane. Maybe it's better that way. Evil by insanity instead of the crap they pulled with Lex in the last couple seasons.

Davis sounded distraught knowing he was supposed to kill Clark. I'm assuming he is confessing to Chloe. I supposed when the AU gets pulled Davis also stops knowing he is supposed to kill Clark.

Maybe he is confesing to Linda maybe that is how she cames with the idea of saying that Clark is a menace because she sees Davis killing or transforming and both are aliens. Maybe that is why he kills her later to protect HIS secret, YMMV.

If Clark is able to alter time, I wonder if Davis will notice time is altered. Like a kryptonian 6th sense. Like, if Clark can remember the events, Davis does too. And that's what leads him to kill Linda before she even threatens Clark.

...and lives another day to get fucked over by the writers pen.

Does he really beat her?! Jesus, what other crap could they possibly throw her way? Going crazy? Becoming a villian? Dies as a remorseful Martyr? Forcibly/Voluntarily is sent to the end of times and stuck with Doomsday for all eternity as her pay off and reward for sticking by Clark after all of these years? What are our options here? Seriously. I know hell doesn't have a basement, but c'mon already! Are we supposed to be watching a show centered around Batm..err..the Dark Knight or Clark Kent's beginnings before Superman?

God! I hate the damn "INJUSTICE" of a show that hides behind paper thin "heroes". A show which has abused and tarnished everything good that Superman used to stand for prior to Smallville coming on the air. I feel sick.

Well, if Chloe's in the hospital (assuming that blonde chick Dooms is trying to suffocate isn't Linda) does this mean her powers are officially gone, or do they only work when she gets completed knocked out ie: killed vs. getting severely injured? (by the one being that was able to kill Superman no less...)

I'm still betting it's Linda though after the AU is reversed.
Then again this is Season eight... logic isn't welcomed on this show. I just keep going back to the theory that she possibly sides with Dooms to protect Clark in her matyr fuck me over way because she's the intelligent woman on the show. And we simply can't have that when we have the likes of hijinks and clunks Nois around.

I can see it now..Chloe nobly and bravely sacrifices, and paints herself in a corner by appearing to have betrayed Clark in order for him to get the incentive he needs to vanquish Chloe and Dooms (legion ring). Clark refuses to mention her in the future because he's a dick thinking she went out as a villian and doesn't deserve being remembered. Lex is that you? Meanwhile, Chloe and the audience we'll be the ones left knowing the full story. Knowing who ultimately ended up becoming the unsung hero and who lived long enough to see themselves become the hypocritical unbeknown villian. How Shakesperian of them. Lex would be proud.

Don't forget giving her blessing to he hooking up with Nois because "She will be everything I couldn't be to you"...just kidding I don't think it will get that bad...or will?

Wow Infamous is going to blow, hard.

They're SWFing everything (including wardrobe) and I still don't see why I should care for Botox Betty. Is she an awesome reporter who figured the secret out on her own? No, Clark just hands it all over to her. Does it all end happily ever after? Nope, Linda Lake still manages to nab the attention and cause everyone trouble.

I don't know how it'll end but it's got "AU" and "Clois" written all over it with a glittery pink marker.

For arguement sake wouldn't Chloe and Lois both be Single White Femaling Pete when they find out the secret? And if you can only SWF other females then wouldn't they be SWFing Alicia in that case? And if it's an time reveral and Clark tells Lois his secret, but time gets reversed, wouldn't that be a SWFing of Lana?



In Vessel Chloe was wearing a jacket the same color Lois was wearing in Fade. Am I to believe that Chloe was SWFing Lois in this case since Vessel came after Fade? I guess it's a case of what goes around comes around for both girls when it comes to wardrobe colors.



In some takes of Superman, Superman gives Lois the interview, I am guessing that is a nod to the mythos. With Lois working at the Daily Planet and Clark wanting to out himself, why wouldn't he choose somebody who is his friend and journalist at the same time to help him?

Just to give a Chloe fan's perspective... she sat on his story for his own protection for years. She was unfairly fired from her dream job for doing something connected to protecting Clark... I can't help feeling that, if anyone had earned the right to the glory of outing the Red-Blue Blur after all this time, it's Chloe. I know she's not currently a journalist, but I'm not over her career as a journalist because I spent too many years invested in her onscreen journey as a journalist to just give it up because the show gives one throw-away line to explain it away. She sat on the story for a long time. Even right now, this story could revive her career and she's not the one getting a crack at it. I hope the episode mentions in some small way what a load of bullcrap (IMO) this is.

Well what happens is going to be erased so it's pointless she gets her big break then boom....back to Isis.

I disagree. I think it's important that future Superman is being shown caring about his friends and being sensitive about their feelings whether the whole thing gets erased by the end or not. It's even more important to show that, when those people did/sacrificed so much for him.

I agree.

The wardrobe comment is the color of clothing Nois has on in the promo - I don't believe she's worn purple before.



Exactly, an useless episode, no need to watch it to know it's going to be a boring ANVIL-fest that moves the story forward with nothing at all.

For me, Chloe started seeming disinterested in journalism around Season 6. When Chloe said she had no intention of going back in Sleeper and Plastique, I took her at face value. This whole Isis storyarc does make sense when I recently rewatched the entire run of the show. I would say you could see hints of it starting in Season 3 and even earlier if you count her fascination with the meteor infected starting on the Pilot episode.



As I pointed out, Lois wore a pastal green jacket in Fade, Chloe wore a pastal green jacket in Vessel. I personally don't have an issue with either case, there is only so many colors in the rainbow, I don't think any character owns a particular color

It's not only the whole giving Lois the story instead of Chloe part that I have a problem with. Clark has learned from his parents and his relationships with Lana, Chloe and Pete that being in his inner circle comes with great responsibility and also has a sometimes not so good side effect to other things in their lives. Yes, those people have putted themselves willingly in this situation and they have being shown happy with it e.g. Lana in Bride but IMO Clark can't go out there and out himself giving a damn about what ramifications this might have on THEIR lives.

But Chloe didn't say unequivocally that she was done with Journalism, just that she thought she might give something else a try and this while she still views Tess as a Lex equivalent. Then we the viewer were reminded of all Chloe's journalistic contributions with mentions of them throughout the season. Chloe = reporter has not faded from the minds of viewers. I'm sure Infamaous will be a big reset, but if Clark isn't shown to at least consider Chloe, then I will have to take that at face value and assume he just is that insensitive or that stupid. Either one might do.

To the All Season's thread.

Well there is more then 1 paper then the Daily Planet, if she wanted to get back into journalism why not go to one of them.

Dying husband and before that evil alien robot in her head? It could be me but that's a guess.

But if Chloe did the job right the first time she wouldn't be coming back

Are you saying that Chloe failed because she didn't kill Linda? Even taking away all the uncertainty with Sebastian and whether Chloe really is a killer, Linda disappeared into a puddle of water and went down the drain. Was Chloe supposed to chase her down with a wet vac and then boil her?

There are other ways she could have been taking care of it, the fact she came back though shows me that the Tiny Blond is not up to the job. To me though I wish that plot never happened because:

1. I hated anything related to Clexana in Season 6, and that was Clexana to the worst degree

2. Clark should have taken care of it himself, but this was the producers way of making Chloe more important to the story then she should be, which inturn makes Clark look pathetic

To the all seasons thread.

From the CW

Wow, so Linda wanted the story to restore her standing at the DP, but Clark can't give his story to Chloe because she isn't a reporter anymore because she was fired protecting Clark's secret from Lex. (And Chloe protected Clark from Lake) this is epic fail on PS because those assholes wrote Hydro and not having a Linda Chloe rematch is another fail.

This is pretty much what everyone here was expecting so no surprise there.

Nevermind, I thought this was the Spoiler thread.

This reeks of "contrived" & yet another example of forcing Nois into the story, when the history & context apply to Chloe. Not only is it a fail because of Chloe, Clark is showing no respect, or caring about "justice" in regard to his best friend.

I will say I do think my theory that both Linda and Lois together are representing Chloe (but in a negative light because they aren't Chloe).

One wants to use her knowledge of Clark's secret to get the exclusive with his alter ego for fame only. The other is used by Clark to expose who he is to the world to get out of the blackmail.

The Chloiser in me, hopes that this is supposed to acknowledge that the person who knows the secret, and pushed him to have an alter ego that the world can know will be the one who does the story, and to me that's Chloe, since in Identity is she promoted Clark to have the alter ego and was the secret keeper, so my hope is that they have the two of them so the "Third's time the charm"

At the end of the day, Clark's telling Lois his secret not because (1) she'd be a great secret keeper or (2) because she's sleuthed to a point it makes sense or (3) because he wants to share the story. He's doing it to trump Lake, probably under the belief that going with to a friend will help him control the spin.

Oh Clark! At home I'm shaking my head in shame. Telling your secret should be freeing and uplifting, the result of natural dynamics between yourself and your confidant. This sounds anything but.

If Chloe was a reporter, or even showed interest in reporting, like working for another paper or even online blogging I can see your point, but Chloe has been shown to have a disinterest in journalism for awhile now(I would even say before she got fired).



You can add (4) Clark's girlfriend at the time takes her and shows him catching a car, later on she then knowing he has powers follows him for no reason to the FOS, to where Clark basically has to tell her because he has been caught red handed and can't really make a convoluted story what is going on.

I think we can say points 1 + 3 can be said for Chloe and points 1 and 4 can be said for Lana. I know Infamous is an AU/reboot type episode, I just hope if and when Clark tells Lois and it sticks, it is of his own free will, just because he feels like telling her. Infamous should give Clark an idea how Lois will handle the secret. It seems like for all the other people on this show, Clark has sort of been forced to tell them(Pete, Alicia, Chloe and even Lana to a lesser degree). It's nice Clark can have one normal relationship on this show and it should be a special moment when he does tell Lois the secret willfully with no strings, outside forces or "I need to know your secret" attached to it.

I'm not adding this because it has nothing to do with my original comments about description of the episode Infamous. Now, if we can focusing on what is said about the description, Clark tells Lois because of a certain degree of duress. He's not telling her because Lois Lane is awesomesauce and he wants a special moment with her. He's doing it for a purpose and a reason outside of Clois.



I can agree with this. Clark sharing his secret should be special and intimate. (Except in cases like "Bloodline" where I do think Clark/Kara should have told Lois everything for her own safety whilst in the PZ.) It doesn't matter whom he shares with. It's that big a of deal. The fact that Clark wouldn't go to Lois before Lake returns should be noted, underlined and highlighted.

Also, it's not like he's sharing his secret with EDLo and asking her to keep it for him, the way he did with Chloe and Lana. He's telling her specifically so she can share his secret with the world. Even if he didn't tell her, she'd learn it anyway, because he's disclosing it to everyone. Therefore I don't see this as a particularly special Cnois moment, but YMMV.



But it's not a secret in this episode. It should give him an idea as to whether she'll react with approval or disgust, but really, he should already know that she'll be impressed from "Blank" and "Crimson." As to whether she can KEEP the secret, the episode doesn't seem to be addressing that question at all.

Technically, Clark doesn't remember her seeing him use his powers in Blank and as for Crimson, he seems to disregard what people think of him on red K. He did the same with Chloe in Rush, which should have given him an idea that she wouldn't be freaked out, yet he never told her afterward until he more or less had to.

I do agree that Infamous will be more of a true test of how Lois reacts, especially since he will be telling her before everyone else finds out. No, he's not asking her to keep it a secret, but he is, in effect, making her the "expert" on his situation, and the one that people will go to in the future for information on him.

Yes he does, his memories were restored to him before Lois and the Sheriff walked in on him displaying his powers.


But this isn't a fair test either. The reaction would go along with the fame she'll be getting from him. She'll become the star reporter because of him so wouldn't this taint the reaction's pureness?

It's like observing a kid getting all the attention because of the toy he's playing with, and when you finally get the toy you try to get the crowd's attention. If you do get it, you love the toy, if you don't, you tend to hate it. Regardless, it wasn't the toy you wanted but what you get from having it. It'll be the same thing for Lois.

Her reaction/ acceptance of Clark is very different when in one situation she can get something out of knowing, then in the situation other's are in and she must keep it to herself.

The only why this would have been a true test, is if Lois found out by reading the article then writing it.


That is not true either because once outed, Clark will tell the people himself, not Lois. There won't be a need for Lois afterward considering the crowd gathering around him, wanting to get to know him and Lois is no where in site.


Trailer hints that this isn't the case, again people going to him, and other reporters going to ask him questions directly then going to Nois Lame.

Clark may have gone to Lois to break the story, but that doesn't mean people are going to expect Lois will be getting the follow up.

This is getting off topic, but Clark does not remember the whole day that he lost his memory. If he did, he'd have known that Chloe knew his secret. He'd also have known what Kevin did and when they say goodbye Clark says "I think I have something to thank you for, but I'm not sure what." This is in direct reference to Kevin removing the memory of Clark using his powers in front of Lois, the Sheriff and Chloe, which also affected Clark.


And this is a YYMV thing. I don't think fame is going to be Lois' first thought when someone she's known for years reveals themself to her to be an alien with superpowers. Yes, I know Clark tells her he wants her to write his story first, but to me, Lois' initial reaction is going to be "omg Clark has superpowers" not "omg this is going to make me famous!" That, imo, will come after she's had a chance to process the information and gets to writing her story.


Lois is already telling the people by publishing the story. Her name will be synonymous with the outing. Naturally, yes, people are going to go to Clark directly afterward, but Lois will be known as the one who broke the story, and that creates a connection in people's minds: He trusted her to tell it to begin with, so clearly, she's got an inside with him. I do, however, agree that we likely won't see any progression on that because of the nature of the episode itself.

Thankfully it will be reversed (most likely) at the shows end, meaning when he does tell her and it sticks it could be a special moment. The Infamous scenerio is sort of like Reckoning in the sense Lois finds out and it is erased from her memory due to a time reversal. Reckoning would have been the perfect scenerio for Clark to tell somebody if it sticked and they reacted better to it. Infamous on the other hand, while I wouldn't want that the way to be how Lois finds out for good, is a good episode to explore how she would handle the secret and when you ready to make it stick you can make a much better scenerio for her finding out.

I can't say I am 100% sold on the time reversal scenerio of the episode(I never been a fan of dream/AU type episodes) but if they can somehow reverse it to before Power(very unlikely) I think it could be a very good episode just for that reason alone(although doing a much better ending to the Lana arc would have been better then reversing it 1 episode later)

If Chloe was at the DP, Lois wouldn't even be on the radar screen for Clark IMO. He indicated in Plastique he'd rather work with Chloe, I've seen nothing to change that opinion. Once again proving TPTB had to shove her out of the DP to create the ICONIC! moment.

Nois will be the one who broke the story, yes, but from the sides the connection in people's minds is to Chloe, the alien's best friend. She's got an inside with him. YMMV.

AFAIK, it isn't. In Infamous we will see a glimpse of what Nois would think about Clark's powers and origin and how she would behave towards him with this knowledge, but we won't find out how she would handle the secret as an actual secret. Clark will specificaly tell her about himself to immediately make the information a common knowledge. There will be no time at all to see how she would handle the secret and everything that comes with keeping the secret.

From the Spoilers Thread.

I don't think the Doomsday arc is to blame for Clark's lack of development this season, Rubicon. What TPTB should have done is develop Davis properly in the first half of the season whilst making Clark more proactive, and then spend the second half building to the big Doomy-Clark showdown. Instead, they gave us crap filler like Instinct & Committed that served no other purpose than to fan the flames of shipper wars. As if that wasn't bad enough, they then served up a 4-ep Lana arc that served no purpose to the story at all. In fact, the miniscule progress that Clark had made in was immediately erased as he regressed while Lana took centre stage as the hero of the story.

Doomy HAS to be developed because he's the show's only real villain this year since Tess got neutralised by Ollie's, erm...Arrow. And Not!Lex doesn't count. I'm losing faith that they'll be able to get MR back for the Finale, because I'm sure he watched Requiem and either burst out laughing or fell down crying. Either way, he must have been thanking God that he got out when he did.

Replying in All Seasons.

Given the news of Smallville's renewal I'd just like to remind PS3 that the Clark vs. Doomsday fight they've been promising all season?

Yeah that has to happen. Non-negotiable. They've been leading up to it all year.

If they suddenly delay this out of an ill-advised desire to keep Sam Witwer around then fuck you. This season of Smallville will have been even more pointless than I thought, and I'm one of the people that LIKED it.

If they have to keep Sam Witwer around, which as much as I love him I am not convinced is a good idea, then they need to find another way.