Well i am sure if they are talking about how the season will end, they can also talk about the episodes that will lead up to it which could include the chimmy and clois they are talking about. They have stated before that in the beginning of a season they set milestones that they want to hit and those could be part of the milestones that they want to do at the last part of the season, including the injustice league.

I can understand talking about the end of the season/series; it's an important moment. But talking about things that may or may not happen in episodes that likely haven't even been written yet, let alone filmed, makes no sense when they're likely trying to keep interest for the show up during hiatus. They should be talking and hinting about the episodes that will be airing in January, and pimping Chimmy and Clois when Lois and Jimmy are actually going to be returning to the show.

...I can't believe I'm complaining that TPTB aren't talking about Lana.

From the comment on ending it heroically or ending it with Clark having to make a hard decision seems to indicate that TW is not on board for another year of SV after this season. They really should just end it already.

Does that mean Jimmy's gay friend is going to kill himself?

Jimmy's totally awesome gay friend can't kill himself because Doomsday already massacred him. It's a true tragedy. Also, judging from the Swimmer interview that came out yesterday, then Tom hasn't signed anything. The fact that his reps won't talk either means that he's in negotiations since MR and AM had radio silence while deals were being hashed out or, based on the timbre of Souders interview about a bittersweet ending to season eight (see him going off for training), then I'd say they've seriously thought about selling the idea of no TW in Smallville to the network.

I'd LOVE to see the ratings for the GA and friends show, really I would.

Oh I'm going to cry.

I don't care if Smallville tries to peddle their crap show without Tom. I don't have to watch it. I'm curiously free that way. But I don't think they are that dumb. But the thought that they might get him and try to do 9 just makes me think of all the time I have wasted with bullshit stall on a tale that was told years ago.

This show does feel like one big waste doesn't it and I feel like there's been about maybe five eps worth watching since Vessel since the bulk of seasons 6-8 have not only sucked but eviscerated the characters. However, hearing Swimmer and Souders hint at a season nine, let alone one sans fucking Clark Kent, I'm just left angry and furious.

Well it's one way of getting a spin-off without getting a spin-off...

This interview proves one thing to me: these people don't know how to write an organic story or are afraid to do it.

Thanks for the stalling, fucktards, now you basically admit that the only way to go forth with your ICONIC DENSITY is by sticking Chloe with Jimmy as not to make Cnois look like a cheap plastic knock-off of Chlark.


ETA: And thanks for taking the Superman story backwards yet again. Remember this quote?

"Clark Kent is who I am, Superman is what I do"

Yeah, Clark isn't the disguise as much as the one that needs a disguise so he can lead a normal life. Get your mythos from the last 10 years right. Backwards logic, u haz it.

What is so funny, when listenting to TW's first interviews he even said he the concept that really won him over, that ti's Clark Kent, that for years it's been Clark Kent is a disguise but really it's Superman.

He loved that aspect of Smallville, and now PS3 just admitted in my eyes and opinion, that they don't grasp the concept of this show, and IMHO this show will only get worse before it gets better, if it gets better.

Exactly, the ones in the can right now are the sweeps episodes. Can't believe they wouldn't be pimping them.



We saw a preview in Season 6....they sucked =).

No but seriously? I feel like we need more Lana. I think my own hand just reached out from 2005 and bitchslapped me for typing that. But honestly, really, Clana was The Thing for so many years...so much of what's happened and where things have fallen are because of that relationship, and we were beat over the head with it for years. And now she's back, and...silence? What was the fucking point of bring KK back, really? Especially since Nois won't even be around to angst about Clana, which, though contrived and silly, at least would've given Lana's return some sort of purpose to the story's progression.

So basically how I feel from where I sit is that there is beyond zero hope for Chlois at all anymore. All of the rumors at the end of the summer that seemed to point to Chlark angst in S8 were just bones made from carefully-worded spoilers to keep Chlark fans around. Didn't PS3 pretty much say they were NOT going to do Clois, just have them get close? Now there's lust and angst and complications and emotions and walls? Are..are they serious? Did we not JUST SIT THROUGH THIS with Clana for seven years?! I don't know. I feel like all I've been saying since last May was that they "can't" or "won't" do x, y, z but sadly, all of the things I feared most have come to pass. Destruction of "Fever" letter. Chlark reduced to a memory (that was stripped from Chloe anyway). Chimmy making it down the aisle. Clois all out flirting on Chloe's wedding day. Even Oliver sucks ass and I was really looking forward to the GA being brought on as a regular.

Lately, I've been wondering how Goughlar are viewing things. I would kill to have their take on where the series has gone, and find out once and for all what their vision, if they honestly had one, truly was.

I honestly think Goughlar were going to have Clark and Lana end up together, which is why DC stepped in and said hell no.

As far as I know DC quashing Al and Miles is pure spec. I don't think they would have done it over Clana either even if they were capable of it. I saw a DC exec reply with a certified letter to a Clana campaign that he was pulling for Clana too.

I'm not stating anything as fact, just as my opinion. I don't have any inside knowledge of what actually happened. Based upon how obsessed Goughlar was with Lana's character, I wouldn't put it past them to have wanted Clana to be the happy-ever-after endgame.

Wrt the DC exec., I think they'll say anything to placate fans, even if they contradict themselves in the next breath. The only thing we can believe is what they present to us on tv each week. Look at all the claims from PS3 that Chloe fans would be "happy" with her character arc this season. I don't know many Chloe fans that are happy that she has been marginalized.

That Al and Miles were obsessed with Lana, I can believe.

However, I don't think that your hypothesized ending was likely. In my opinion, the one storyline this show has actually seen through to its logical conclusion, in a way that flows organically from the characters' inner lives and motivations is that Clark and Lana don't end up together because they were both in love with a pretense.

I could believe Al and Miles got the boot over Chlois, or something else Chloe-related especially in view of the truly bizarre ret-conning around Lois, Clark, Lois&Clark and the Daily Planet that has taken place this season. I don't think that is what happened, since financial interests alone dictate that the TV division really shouldn't give a rat's ass what the comics division wants, but it makes sense. It just doesn't seem likely with regard to Lana.

Perhaps, but since they paired Chloe and Jimmy and had Clark telling Chloe at every opportunity that he is in love with Lana, I didn't see Chlark as the planned endgame. If anything, they seemed to enjoy kicking Chloe around and not letting her have any kind of a happy ending with Clark.

To me, the ret-conning is simply a way to pull together the spastic writing. They weren't able to include Lois until season 4, so they wrote Chloe as a Lois/Lana comics substitute. Once they were able to use Lois, they should have developed her relationship with Clark in a believeable way instead of using ED for T&A and turning this interpretation of Lois Lane into a joke. Now that they are going the ICONIC! route, they have a real mess to clean up. Thus, season 8, the season of retcons.

I still believe that if they thought it was feasible, they would have had Clark and Lana work through the problems and eventually end up together. But again, this is just my opinion.

To me, the kicking around was much of what convinced me they were going for a Chlark endgame. You don't kick a character and make her struggle that hard unless she's going to get a major payoff in the end. It's conflict that drives the plot and makes viewers have sympathy for characters.

I think the show was pretty clear (or as clear as it gets, which isn't very) in showing that Lana wasn't good for Clark, whereas Chloe was. YMMV, but that's what I took from it. Of course, I will freely admit my own bias on the subject:-). But I'm a Chlarker because that's the ship I thought they wanted me to root for, and the only ship I felt they'd shown worked.

I do think Goughlar was somewhat obsessed with Lana. But I also think they didn't intend her to end up with Clark. But really, my guess is no better than anyone else's at this point. I share the hope of someone up thread, that one day (probably after the show ends) Goughlar will spill the beans and tell us truthfully exactly how they meant to end the show. I do feel fairly (and unhappily) sure that PS3 are not going for the same ending, however. The "truly bizarre retconning" makes me think they felt the show's direction needed some serious changes.

I understand. However, I don't think Chloe fans are going to get the payoff they deserve. At this point, I think Clark used Chloe, (and in a way she has allowed it, because she loves him) and he doesn't deserve her. And since TPTB are definitely going the Lois and Clark route, I think Chloe has been relegated to a secondary character (in spite of being elevated in the credits--again, another meaningless bone tossed to appease Chloe fans).

Agreed. And I think the reason for all the forced Chimmy stuff, giving the character a big wedding day (that sadly wasn't even about her), having her involved in both the Brainiac AND Doomsday/Davis stuff, etc. was to keep her busy and away from Clark. Chloe's supposed to be the female lead. Allison was given second billing and all of the big stories, so technically, PS3 are doing right by the character--unforunately, this is a show its eighth season. And as a fan since day one, I feel totally justified in calling pure bullshit on what they've done to Chloe in an attempt to give her more to do. Physically she's more involved, but emotionally and intellectually she's just not there anymore. And stripping Chloe of her relationship with Clark means that the heart of the show was removed in the process, as I see it. I'd rather see AM back at fourth or fifth billing than second if THIS is what a leading lady is.

And now Nois'll be gone for a while, which is nice, but in setting up for her absence, they managed to really establish a strong Clois attraction and her presence, I believe, will be made known despite her being physically missing. And yeah, we'll have some nice Chlana moments and Chloe will deal with Clark and the JL stuff, but the journalist is gone and the friendship with Clark is gone too, and those are the things that defined Chloe. Now she's just another girl that Clark knows. It's sad but it's what I think has come to pass.

This is so true, and it is very sad.

I completely disagree. If they were going the Lois and Clark route, it would be all Clois, all the time, starting with Plastique and Clark iconically pining first. Lois has at most seven appearances after her extended absense, so I have to wonder if they are trying to sell this pairing if all they managed in 10 episodes is Lois acting crazy and an almost rebound kiss, and interest from Clark's point of view is highly subjective/YMMV at best, but IMO, fanwank. It doesn't seem to me that they are truly trying to sell a Clois pairing.

On the other hand, we've had old-ass Chlark mentions, Chloe having every male character after her or concerned for her, and she's smack in the middle of the main plotline, Doomsday/Brainiac, which they have been pimping just as hard as Clois. The difference is, they're spending all their money and actual development on Dooms (MARSTERS VOICEOVER!), where we're actually seeing payoff, but Clois seems to be them just blowing the smoke they usually blow, and is stalled like it always is.

I think the fasttrack to ICONIC Clois moments parallels Pod!Chloe-- all of it is stalling the show for two years, but now there's a possibility that it will end, so they have to check off the iconic stuff and actually resolve some shit (like Clana, and the secret identity). When that happens, all that's left will be Chlark triumphing over Doomsday, the redeemed DP, and the nebulous threat of MIA Lex.


I disgree on this front too. They rarely explain where Lois is when she's in Offscreenville. She'll come back or they'll establish before she goes, but Clark saying where she was in Prey is against the norm. I just don't see OOC behavior and an stilted dance as strongly establishing Clois enough to survive Clana and four episodes and an AU of her gone.YMMV.


This is assuming Chloe never gets her memories back, which is highly unlikely. The memory wipe was, IMO, a really big plot line that will forever shake up Chlark and will have consequences, unlike contrived, wacky hijinxs like psychotic jewelers and lie detectors and "zip up my dress!". Things like this make me believe that they place considerable effort into Chlark, but not so much into Clois. YMMV.

Regardless of what we think we see, Clois is the endgame for PS3. They specifically said in interviews that Clark and Chloe would not be romantically involved in Season 8.

Lois' behavior, while odd, is supposed to show that she has the hots for Clark. And Clark's meaningful (?) glances at Lois and his assertive behavior toward her at Chloe's wedding (insisting she dance with him) is supposed to tell us that Clark is interested in her, too. Whether or not we believe it is irrelevant to the writers.

IIRC, they said that Chlark would not happen THIS YEAR. That's a small but possibly significant difference. Also, I believe they said something about Chlark fans having to wait. Why would we have to wait if Cnois is the endgame? Obviously Chlark couldn't happen if romantic Cnois were going full speed ahead.

At any rate, producers try hard not to give away the endgame at all, which is why it would be sort of surprising to me for them to pimp Cnois so hard at the beginning of the season and have the season wind up with Cnois. As others have pointed out, they rarely end a season where they began it.



Is it? Certainly that's what they're telling us in interviews (and again, producers have been known to mislead on purpose), but that's not what I saw on screen. I saw Clark staring at Chloe, then dancing with EDLo while repeatedly looking away from her, presumably toward Chloe, and hardly paying any attention at all to EDLo until she literally fell on him, at which point he seemed to think, "Oh, what the hell, here's a warm body." It looked like a big ol' rebound to me. YMMV, but at the least I think that scene is quite open for interpretation. If you compare it to Tempest, or even the Chlark dance in Bride, Clark hardly looks away from Chloe. He's certainly not looking all over the place, the way he is when he dances with EDLo.

Personally, I'm curious about what the next few episodes will show us. The show's long-term setup SHOULD mean Clark has to decide between Lana and Chloe. Of course, Chimmy still throws a wrench into that, but I'll be interested to see if they hint at that, or if we see this "lust and emotion" Clark's supposed to have for EDLo now instead-- and how are we going to see this lust, anyway? Are Clark and EDLo going to be sending each other hot and dirty text messages, or what?

Iconically hot and dirty text messages, Elly. It's what everyone does when they're waiting for their cousin-in-law to get off life support: text message a guy who's back to dating his ex!

To change the subject a bit, KSite has the title for 8.16 up on its spoilers page: "Turbulence."

I would guess that refers to flying, but I guess it could refer to the fallout from 8.15, or even Clark's rocky relationship with Chloe. Or EDLo. Or Lana, for all I know.

Also, KSite notes that TW is not directing this episode.

PLEASE if there is a God, let it be Chimmy turbulence. DIE CHIMMY, DIE.

Thanks for the info, Craig.

Actually, no, it's not. I agree that Chloe'll get her memories back, but I feel like the Chlark relationship had been deconstructed and their bond severed long before "Abyss." The last time I felt the Chlark connection was in "Plastique" when both Chloe AND Clark seemed very upset about the Chimmy engagement. After that, Clark seemed really off with Chloe. I HATED his non-reaction to Jimmy's telling him that Chloe was acting weird in "Abyss." Actually, he never seemed concerned at all until he found the cribsheets at Isis. All season, he's know that she's been infected by Brainiac and he's sat on his ass about it. I just don't think that S5 Clark, or even S7 Clark, would've done that. Hell, Clark near knocked Oliver's block off in "Siren" when he found out that Chloe'd been working with him due to the danger factor. Now he won't interfere? Chloe's got her own life? Bullshit, that.

Elly, I think your post has a lot of good points. But I just feel at this point that, despite there always being a chance and that I would love nothing more than for you to be right, it's not going to happen. I too really got excited about the Chlark "waiting" comment, but...I feel like it was just a bone to throw at us. And it worked. They always do. Thing is, if they know that they don't have TW for S9, and they are intending to end with Chlark/Chlois, they ought to set up for it now. Instead they set up Clois, in my view. The triangle could've and should've been Davis/Chloe/Clark, but instead Jimmy got thrown in and the wedding and...they did it all wrong. To me, doing Chlois would be such an awesome twist and it'd take planning and attention to detail, and surely it'd get media attention so PS3 would want to really do it right. I just don't think they're leaving room for that twist considering that at the 11th hour, the buzz is still all about Clois, and to boot, a possible S9 without Clark and what stories can still be told. YMMV, of course.

Thanks for the update, Elly! Yes, I second the motion that Jimmy die in a fiery crash. I think it has something to do with Clark flying....

Can I dare to dream and hope "Turbulence" also refers to the Chimmy marriage?

Of course it only does me any good if the Chimmy turbulence comes at the end of the episode, so I have to hope that they are getting along great at first and decend into a rocky status as oppose to weathering turbulence.


Edited cause spelling counts.

I'm usually a Chlark optimist but I have to say that them making with the Lois pining has me flatlined. If they wanted to throw someone in as wedge between Chloe and Clark Tess would have worked as well as Lois without the potential for as much fan fallout. I'd always thought if Chlark was endgame they would just keep Clois as mildly disliking of each other.

Hoo-Kay. *puts Captain Obvious cape on* Turbulence is... real! Clark sees a plane in trouble, does the whole Tempest thing.. and viola, he suddenly learns to fly. Iconic first save. *takes Captain Obvious cape off*

I'm right there with you. Jimmy has to show up in 16. It's been way too long an absence, illness or not. I say he returns to SV and things immediately go badly and he moves out. I dare to hope they throw in a line about the marriage never being valid, like they did with Alicia and Clark and Chloe is free at last!

I'll allow her 1 episode to be sad/mopey about it, but after that Chloe needs to get back to standing on her own two feet and move forward after lying like a doormat for everyone to walk on for way too long. I'm ticked that this Chimmy marriage stuff ever happened. Chloe needed that time to redeem herself for her podChloe behavior and remind people why she use to be awesome.



Maybe it will be Ollie's plane and he'll get his old set back. Also, maybe Clark will find out there is a bomb on board or something and leap towards the plane as it is taking off, like he leaped towards the truck in Lucy and the rocket in Hidden, so it's almost flight but not. I don't see flight being that early in the season.

He does, Jimmy returns but Lois is missing.

Which is very odd, Lois returns in Infamous but then is gone in Turbulence.

The fact that she is not in this one means, for those who keeps count, there are only 2 episodes left for ED to have that constitute as more then 13.


Ollie is also missing in this episode.

Maybe Chloe and Jimmy borrow Ollie's plane to bring him home from Star City and a storm comes and they're in danger so Clark has to save the day. Chloe once again has to lie to cover for Clark, Jimmy gets tired of always feeling like Chloe's lying to him and Chimmy as a ship doesn't make it thru the "turbulence." They're thru by the time they get home. See, double meaning!

I was thinking that they would go all out and get as much mileage with the episode titles as possible. Add Clark flying for the first time and you've got the potential for the best episode to date this season. If only MR could be in this one too...!

Well I think the Lois pining is twofold- first it does indeed deliver the promise of moving them out of sibling territory, only with wildly OOC behavior from Lois, who previously was strong and confident wrt relationships, and lukewarm reciprocation (if any) from Clark. It also evens up the Chlois score. Chloe loving Clark first has been a point against it from day one.

moved the rest of my spec to the spoiler thread.

Does Lois die in "Requiem?"

She wouldn't need to be in the episode to do it. If we speculate that "Requiem" involves a character death, and we pretty much expect AU!Lois in "Infamous", and Lois is not in "Turbulance"--did she die?

I really wouldn't get my hopes up with a dead!Lois in Requiem. That makes no sense to have her offscreen die. I'd just say that she's for sure missing the lana arc (save Bride) and that after Infamous, she's out for at least an episode. Also, since I doubt the rest of the series involves Clark being chased down by government agents a la bill bixby/incredible hulk that there has to be some default or reset for Infamous. I'm just not sure if it's a dream or AU and neither Craig nor Ausiello are spilling on that point as of yet. But, I'm glad that Lois is out of the Lana stuff and that she seems to be of minor importance in Infamous since it's not going to stand.

I agree that it's too good to be true, and sort of sad way to go. I think the fans would be entitled to a bit of plot, unless you know, she really is a lightswitch that goes on/off.

I doubt they'd have Lois' death episode as the final Lana episode too. Especially if ED is not even going to be in it.

Well, IIRC, I remember there was someone who suggested, I think it was K-site's InLove_With_Chloe, did a thread saying would an AU episode of Chlark be ok, because after what happened to the Vessel kiss it seems Chlark isn't ever going to happen so just do an AU episode about the ship. What if Infamous is the same concept?

Ok but why even make the promise that they'll move them out of sibling territory? The point I was trying to make is that if Chlark is the endgame I can't see a reason to even mess with romantic Clois. If it were me writing it I just wouldn't even broach the subject. If Lois never shows any interest in Clark (and vice versa) then frankly I don't think anyone would have a basis to complain about it not coming to fruition. By making Lois actually want a relationship it brings up the sympathy angle. As I said if they needed a female LI just to serve as a cockblock to Chlark Tess works just as well without the complications.

I guess my real problem right now is that this shows track record with character consistency is checkered at best. While I would like to believe that when (note not a spoiler if she's ILL she's canonically going to find out) Lois finds out Clark is every bit the hero that GA is/was she'll react the same way she reacted to GA it's hard for me to believe based on precedent. Look at her "journalism" arc where she stated a few times that she hated it, or was decidedly shown not to be curious but then all of a sudden she's a pit bull searching for deeper meaning.

TPTB have shown me a few times that they'll radically alter a persons personality when it's convenient for them. I fully expect them to do the same with Clois. When the Clark being a hero thing comes up instead of the behavior she exhibited with GA/Ollie I'm expecting a line about how much she admires it all of sudden and wants to be a part of it. It's bullshit of course but I can see it happening.

moved to spoilers

From the spoilers thread, re: Souders' interview with SV Mag.

I think that, at least to me, you have to consider the source. SV Mag has appeared IMHO opinion to have a more Clois and Lois bias. It was the same mag that put out a list of Lois's milestones and accredited her with a promotion from Grant she never received and with being an intellectual for one offhand quote about Dante in season four when she's been shown to basically exercise, drink, have sex, play video games and, yes, drink some more. Also, it feels a bit like damage control. All this sparks would be flying turned into Nois petting a tux, Cloisana drying up, no upped ED and a spate of absences in the middle third of the season. Again, the magazine may not have a Clois bias, it's just how I see it and I know that YMMV.

The other thing about the quote is how little sense it makes. It's very hard to have Clois lust even if it's purely from Lois's end, when she's just not in the upcoming episodes per some of Mitovitch's info about her upcoming Robin Hood movie that's just finished filming. So, I find it hard to understand how there will be onscreen lust while Lois is going to be in Star City from now until February. I mean, IMHO, just look at Mercy/Tess Mercer. She missed Bloodline and Bride and by now it feels like she hasn't been on the show in forever. Hell, to me, by Bride it felt like there'd like never been a Tess on the show. There's a serious loss of momentum. So, if there is an eight week hiatus, followed by four weeks of Lana sans Lois, then it's about three months from Bride until the next Lois episode. There's just no momentum to build on for Lois-lust. Especially when there's Lana back and Clark's notorious reputation for mono-focus on Lana. Not to mention some very big things in the way of the Legion and possibly having Lex back (not MR, I know. Who knows what they are going to do.) But with Legion, Chloiac, Lana, Doomsday, Lex Luthor and Mercy off being evil in some form, it seems hard for them to be keeping up any lusty tension and showing vulnerable walls when Lois is offscreen tending to JO's wounds. Again, YMMV, but I feel like Souders is just blowing smoke on both Clois and Chimmy if only because 50% of both couples is going to be gone for the bulk of sweeps.

I don't think it's SV Mag, but Sci Fi Mag. I would expect any sci-fi type publication to have a bias toward "mythos," but I don't know if they've covered Smallville before, and if so what their articles have been like.



I totally agree. Like I said before, what are they going to do, text hot messages to each other? It's really hard to show lust if one of the characters isn't even on the screen.

Sorry about getting the source wrong although all they pimp in the mainstream is ZOMG!Mythos no matter if it reflects the state of the show or not. And, for some stupid reason, Chimmy wedding. They loved to run TV Guide articles on that too which was so weird. However, I just can't understand lust when Lana is up front in center in Clark's attention and Lois isn't even in Metropolis. Just like how can Chimmy be navigating their life together when he's in ICU in another city or even state?

It kind of baffles. Maybe it's lust the same way Lois has intellect?

I think when they give these interviews they are talking about one episode or two and not a long arch. For example, the stuff about Chimmy navigating their life is probably Turbulence and nothing beyond that episode.

KSite has a scan from TV Guide about Legion (posted here because it's in a major magazine). What's interesting to me is that Johns says "They know Clark from the equivalent of history books." I thought we'd heard that Supes himself had sent them back to help him-- but this makes it sound like they don't know him personally.

Or it could be that from Clark's POV, they tell him he's in their history books instead of being there as Supes in order not to tamper with the time line then they already are?

Well, the Legion I used to read was all about idealizing Super-Heroes of the bygone age. So even if they did know Supes, they probably would have a pretty romanticized idea of his youth.

A better show than this one has been lately could use this to play up the version of the story you never hear before bit by doing a little compare and contrast with SV cannon and Comics cannon.