Massena, neither are mine. But I need to believe that this show will not have Chloe raped on top of everything else and then an episode or two later have her the same dead-eyed researcher shell I only root for because of the past and because she's better than Lois.

This show does not know how to handle actual human emotion. I think at this point they have to know that. And because of that, they have to know that they cannot do Monster Rape and actually handle the aftermath.

It really is like contemplating a bad fan-fic.

I just imagine Dooms looking like SW, being all woobie about it all, and then Chloiac coming on strong suggesting a hook up to seal the deal on their new partnership and PS3 trying to play it off as HOT so we don't think about Chloe's body being used against her will for sexual activity. I'd like to believe they'd use Dooms and Brainiac together to plot world domination by searching for important kryptonian knick knacks which will kill Clark or to look for something to open the PZ portal etc. But if the option is doing something scifi or doing something sexual, which way have they usually gone?

They pile on the pain for Chloe fans. Chloiac already either killed a man or put him in a braindead coma. They've already taken her memories. I just don't think one can bank on them having any sense of limits with what miserable crap they'll put Chloe (and her fans) thru.



Ugh. You just made me feel worse. You know what sucks is that even though everyone on the entire show has worshipped Lana her entire run, I was prepared to feel sorry for her in that situation, but then instead of Lana being upset about sleeping with Bizarro, her reaction was entirely messed up. She basically told Clark that she preferred Bizarro to him because Bizarro was more attentive, more affectionate, put her first and gave it up regularly. This show has such a backwards moral compass it's incredible. It has for a long time, so I won't even bother ranting about it, but Chloe has already been thru enough crap this season. She's been working her butt off helping people and helping Clark and she has gotten nothing but crapped on for it for over 2 years.

They've already ruined her wedding day, I just dread that they won't stop there and they'll have Chloe's body be essentially raped, too.

They've had Jimmy raping Chloe all season up to now. Dooms would be no different to these jerks.

Season 8: Raping Chloe in body and mind since episode 8-1.

I don't think the R-word should be cheapened too much. Yes, Jimmy's a creep, but Chloe's unfortunate taste in hooking up with him of her own free will has been canon for several seasons now.

Chloiac and Dooms hooking up, OTOH - definitely rape.

Same thing with Chloiac and Jimmy, IMHO. Chloe infected with Brainiac in her head is like an intoxicated Chloe, any sex while she's infected is basically rape to me, whether with Jimmy or with Dooms. YMMV

I don't know. I doubt Jimmy wants to make love to Brainiac either, and there's no way for him to know that Chloe's Chloiac. I don't think it's fair to call him a rapist.

Yeah, I understand your reasoning, jimmy4, in the sense that anything that's done to the body while the mind is away is non-consensual, but I'm willing to give it a pass in this sci-fi scenario. Chloe was already having sex with Jimmy before Brainiac infected her, so as far as Jimmy knows he's just sleeping with his girlfriend. I regard him as a victim as well.

IA. Real!Chloe can't give her consent to any physical intimacy, and this is from a character who had clear rules with Jimmy as to what she will and won't do.



I would too, but SPN handled this and handled it well. It can be addressed if need be, but SV just doesn't bother trying anymore.

I just wish they'd think before they throw around scenarios like this as much as ones where they have Nois sleeping with her boss. Both are disgusting to the extreme, and with this show's MO, both will be ignored.

Based on "Bride" I want to suggest that Jimmy's going to fall for Lois hard while in "Star City". She's like men that needs her and Jimmy, is going to need someone to help him while he recovers. Jimmy's going to have "Florence Nightingale Syndrome".

While I admire that Lois is willing to do this for Jimmy, I think that she's running away from her pining feelings for Clark, much like how did Chloe between S2e1 and S2e2. Chloe slept with Jimmy Olsen during that intership in an attempt to get over Clark.

The SWFing is not over. Lois and Jimmy are going to have sex.

Oh Sue, how I wish your proposal would be so. I would add to yours, that the J-Lo love fest in Star City would be revealed upon returning, and this would be one of the many reasons for Chimmy's break up in futureville. The rest would have to go in another thread.

Lois and Jimmy sleeping together would really bring the SWFing full circle wouldn't it?

From nwp01 in the Bride thread:



I wonder if that's just what is going to happen. We'll see Brainiac taken care of by the Legion, but not have Chloe Sullivan come back.

Maybe a Chloe will come back, but just one that has even less of her memories. If she doesn't know Jimmy then that might be a legitimate reason to annul the marriage. (I'm sure that Jimmy isn't going to die.)

Or maybe only the EVOL side of Brainiac will be cured and we will have a permanant version of Chloiac, one that has access to Chloe's memories so she can pass for Chloe, but is completely full time run by a supercomputer. Then we can have the wacky hijincks of Compu Chloe trying to act more human while Clois finally give into their smoldering passion (plaughhh!) Won't that be fun?





This would explain the classic JO has a crush on LL ICONIC!!! characteristic.

I though about this already. It will be in character for both since both like to throw themselves at the warmest nearest body. I just hope that Jimmy is man enough to admit that she cheated on Chloe with her cousin and that Chloe deserves better and as for Nois she can just stop talking to her for all I care but they probably ask for forgiveness and she will do so.

J-Lo makes so much sense...of course that is the reason it won't happen.

I think this is a spec not a spoiler because it's from the promo.
Someone uploaded a screencap of the Legionnaires here.

They are standing in Clark's house, at night. You can see one of those crates caterers use to hold glasses, so Legion must take place the same night as Bride, the night of the wedding. This makes me happy cos this mess needs to be cleaned up ASAP. I like how they look like they're pissed at him. Maybe they're telling him how much he fucked up by erasing Chloe's memories. The blonde looks like one of the Olsen Twins and the middle guy looks like he can't believe Supes is so damn retarded.

I haven't been thinking too much about how Legion will go down on account that I don't know anything about LoSH, but I'm getting worried that the reason they come back to help is because in the original timeline (I'm not sure if timelines are involved exactly, that's how lost I am on this whole thing), Clark *never* saves Chloe from Brainiac. It's a sad though.

Great cap, by the way. They don't look pleased, that's for sure.

Marikology - I can't believe how damn retarded Clark is (I'm not calling him Superman yet or ever if he doesn't learn mindrape=bad) and I've been watching this show for eight years. Join the club LoSH.

One speculation that's gone on since Bride is that Chloiac/Doomsday would mate and that Chloe would end up with a miniDoom.

My thing is that wouldn't the LOSH be aware of that and try to stop from happening as well as separate Chloe from Brainiac?

Obviously they time travel to prevent and fix what Clark did in order to preserve their timeline. I can't see them getting rid of Brainiac but not be aware of Doomsday.

It's why I don't think anything is going to come from Chloiac/Doomsday. I think Chloiac is going to be grateful to Dooms but immediately dispatch of him in order to wait off on Doomsday and Clark from meeting.

Considering this was in the Promo, it revealed the spoiler of who the Legion villain was going to be...
It's going to be Persuader.

From wikipedia:

Don't tease me Sue, you know how bad I want it.


That wikipedia article is doing little to help me care. But I guess the Decider would have been too much to ask.

I don't care either since I don't know anything about the LoSH. However, maybe there can be hot Jois sex. I'm so on that bandwagon.

I'd love a J-Lo relationship. Be so IC for both of them.
Word and she comes back before him, just like Chloe/Jimmy

Someone (shy175223) at K-site typed up an article from TV-Guide, K-site post.


Bottom line: they clearly don't have TW on-board yet for S9 and to me it seems like pressure is starting to build.

I think he stayed 3 years to get director credentials. I don't think a producer (or executive producer) spot offers enough Hollywood street cred when you are also the star of the series and by default a leader on set.

I'm thrilled of course. A lack of S9 would mean:
1) Our long national nightmare is near an end - the can kick Chloe (or kill, or Borgify, or whatever) just a few more times
2) Clois may be endgame but it was never properly developed IMO ---- which means it was a lightswitched end-game maneuver for S8 versus an organically-developed series-long plot. Further, Clois is unlikely to ever touch the intensity of the Chlark partnership. Frankly, it wasn't likely even with a S9. Lois may be his sex partner, but Chloe is his BEST ALLY and dumbshit Boobstein won't be able to touch that intensity on screen (....should I add a neenar neenar? too much... okay, nevermind).
3) TW earns back my respect

Although I think it is waaaaaaayyy too early to tell what is going to happen, I take this as a positive indicator S8 will be the end.

There are financial benefits and Hugh Laurie (House), Keifer Sutherland (24) and Michael Chiklis (The Shield) all got later-season producer's credit. Sure it wasn't as far forward as Season 9 (I think Smallville, 24 and Scrubs are the only surviving shows from the class of 2001) but they got it.

Frankly, I think PS3 and the network are crazy enough to keep on with the show without TW. Admittedly the CW is not a huge booster of the show, but it has gotten the network virtually its only decent ratings this year, which gives them something to brag about in press releases. And if they're really doing promo pictures now, that suggests they've realized it's worth promoting to a certain degree.

There are two ways they could keep the show going: recast Clark (after eight years? surely that would be crazy, and can't possibly be an option) or continue on without Clark. Also crazy, but I think it's possible they'll try it. I can see them bumping up JH to leading man status-- the network has a hard-on for him anyway. They also have a thing for ED, so I can see them bumping her up to the lead (since losing TW would probably save them a boatload of money, they could probably afford it even with the budget cuts). I don't see the network having enough respect for AM to make her the leading lady, unfortunately (and really, if they tried something so nutty I'd rather they cut her loose anyway).

What I can't see is anyone actually watching such a travesty. But the network may figure it's worth a shot.

Aside from the obvious, "one was good and one sucks" answer, this is SUCH an infuriating comment because it just falls in line with the same bullshit talk that S8 isn't a total reboot and won't be all about Clois and nothing major will change. Of course there's a resemblence, you ass. You took a show with years of its own history and development (which, granted, was in need of being put to bed anyway) and destroyed all aspects of that in order to make way for EXACTLY the kind of show that L&C was. Why can they not just admit this?

I'm glad it's looking like the end. I guess despite my disappointment and frustration, a small part of me was hoping that somehow, it'd be put right and Chloe and Clark'd end up together. Doesn't look like there's room for that now at all. I can't believe it, actually. I never thought THIS would be how SV went out.

Lol, Lana Lang part II. They'll dick around with Tom until zero hour and if he doesn't sign we're in for a non-sensical or cliffhangered ending. Even if they got the word today that he wasn't signing they're already blocking stories for 8-15 leaving them 7 episodes to wrap. Every EP they block/film without knowing for sure the worse the ending is going to suffer.



I agree they're crazy enough. I fucking hate it when shows do this. I'd have so much more respect for producers that signed on to X years with a vision for their beginning and end and stuck to it. I follow good production teams to new products if I'm reasonably assured from previous ones that they go into stories with a start, middle, and end planned out.

Surely they need to lock Tom in now, then plot the remaining episodes accordingly, or admit it's the end and go from there, right?

Right?!

Anything else would be insane.

Oh, yeah. I forgot which show I was watching.

Does the Justice League being back in the later half of the season count as a spoiler? And can they just call them the Justice League on screen already?! It pisses me off that Ollie's group of heroes has no name, yet they call them the Justice League in every interview they give.

I'm trying to imagine a Smallville without Clark.

We know they have AM under contract for S9, presumably for every episode. SW has made comments about there already being ideas about his character if S9 were to happen. They'd play up the Tess/Oliver past. Perhaps they'd increase the J-Lo scoobying.

Chloe would spend more time as Watchtower and maybe have a romance with Davis as he battled his darkside. (Assuming the Chimmy marriage doesn't stand) Oliver can spend more time dealing with the fallout of Lex's empire both in and out of costume and
I suppose Lois could continue being comic relief as she stumbles close to the truth (whatever that may be) and pines for our missing hero. (Thus keeping his memory alive.)

In some way it would be a simpler show to do since they could skip a lot of the special effects and also because without an all powerful Superman, we wouldn't need Kryptonite contrivance to create conflict.

Though it would not completely shock me if the set up some bizarre scenerio were Oliver "temporarily" had all of Clark's abilities. That way they could rehash all the old stuff while pinning all their hopes on convincing TW and maybe MR to come back for a finale.

Honestly? So do I. He would really likely be the only current cast member they'd lose and while I fully agree it wouldn't be "Samllville" anymore, I do think they think they could continue the series without the character of Clark Kent. They'll send him off for training (which AlMiles strongly hinted was their series end game anyway) and everyone else will continue as normal.

As said above, AM is signed for S9. JH is under contract with CW for four more years. SW and CF seem pleased with what they're doing, so I'm sure they could be convinced to stick around, and I seriously doubt ED or AA would be a problem, either. And, I have a strong feeling Alaina would happily return as Black Canary, if they wanted to go for an Ollie/Tess/Dinah triangle, or hell, square by dragging Lois back into it, too. I also agree that Chloe would definitely be put into Watchtower role and continue to play up the secret identity aspect by her trying to juggle that with being married to normal guy Jimmy.

That said, I hope they don't do this. I want S8 to be it. I want closure.

If they do something like this it will most likely mock the post, Death of Superman story to the Reign of Supermen or whatever it was called when 3 Supermen came claiming to be the real one. So my guess they can do a season like that.

It is possible that they could do a switch in where SW ends up playing Clark Kent. They can fashion some way where when Clark and Doomsday clashes, something happens, Jor-El intervention or whatever, Clark and Davis merges or shit, where it's Clark personality and such with Davis's body. If they want to do the lame recasting attempt. Because I doubt you can had Doomsday without Superman/Clark Kent.

They have seven episodes left to break for season 8 and they still don't know whether or not TW is willing to come back for one more year. These people really are morons. They should have been working on a negotiation with TW from the onset of season 8. Even as far back as last summer they we're talking about a possibility of a season nine. I believe that the network would be stupid enough to try the show without Clark but IMO you can't do this show without Clark. Smallville is so affiliated with the Clark Kent and Superman that trying the do this show without him, even as popular as JH/Green Arrow may be, he can't fill the voild left by the official protagonist of this series and the show will fail. These producers really need to get a grip on reality and just end the show already.

I can't imagine them continuing Smallville with TW. If they're so desperate, they should switch it to a "Justice League" show (now that the George Miller movie is DOA) and have Oliver as the star and maybe have different episodes feature different JL members doing different things. Maybe even something along the lines of a semi-anthology show- though that might be too difficult.

A SV show with GA/CS working the super-crime while LL/JO work at the DP...it seems off.

Oh God, someone mentioned Reign Of The Supermen and I just had a horrible thought...

That's where they introduced Superboy (the modern version anyway). It's perfect for the CW! Replace the lead with a new, young, hot, kid. Give him attitude and presto! Smallville season 9. Perfect for the CW. Dawn will love it.



Smallville without the special effects? What's the point?

It'd be like expecting people to come to a nightclub, but saying there will be no music or dancing.

\The shows already pretty skimpy on them as it is. GA would still need stunts, just not the unearthly expensive compter graphics (at least all the time) but my bigger point was that it might be easier from a story telling standpoint if they didn't have to work so hard coming up with lame reasons why any adversary is actually a problem for the hero. Clark shouldn't have any troubles unless they are a master criminal (only Lex fits that bill...kind of) or Kryptonian, or Kryptonite is rolling around.

Not that I in any way encourage a S9 without Clark (or even just a S9).

So I've been wondering if Clark destroyed Chloe's crib sheets. She had her whole Isis wall of weird to reminder her of anyone in her life. I can only assume the words alien and krypton were somewhere on the Clark cheat sheet in case she forgot about him.

Have we seen her at Isis since her memory was wiped? It seems reasonable that she hasn't been at work preparing for the wedding. Wonder if when she goes back she'll find the room.

Even though Chloe was worried about losing her memories I would like to hope she'd be wise enough to leave out details regarding Clark's secret. How many people have broken into/ wondered into Isis by now? Is Clark's secret really something she wants laying around for someone to stumble upon? Despite how valuable that knowledge is to Chloe wouldn't she place more value on protecting Clark's secret at all costs considering leaving herself reminders could potentially put his secret at risk?

But then again IMO the point is probably moot. I'll be floored if Chloe's crib sheets ever get mentioned again.

wrt the TV Guide Legion trailer:
posted by sita102



I'd say so. I think it's appropriate to keep him confined to the Fortress. If Chlark are still there and Chloe is herself, that will be hella angsty for her to see him like that pleading. The Fortress was blue, too, which means Brainiac is gone? But that motherfucker is never really dead, so... Please let Real!Chloe come back!

Liana from KSite posted some from SciFi Magazine, originally posted by cheers at DI. Here are what seem to be new stuff. Quotes are from Kelly Souders; the other parts seem to be synopsized by the original poster:

Did anyone else get the image of Chloe as Maggie and Jimmy as the heavy drinking Brick from Cat on a Hot Tin Roof?

Are they watching a different show? I mean what Chemistry?

God, there is no more hope, what's the point anymore?

The feed in their head became the show? Last seven years it was "Everyone Loves Lana" but now it's "Clark lusts after Lois and Chimmy Forever"?

I don't really pay attention to what PS3 says because honestly most of the things they say never play out on screen or never come to fruition.

My issue though is the idea they have the happy ending and the sad bitter ending in place. Why is there even a sad ending in the cards? I don't think people have been waiting for this show to end on a note that leaves people feel depressed and sad by it.

Well, if I'm reading it correctly, they mean that if it ends in season 8, there will be a heroic, feel-good ending, but if they get renewed, then Clark will leave (my guess would be for training at the Fortress, but I guess the around-the-world trip would work too), leaving EDLois (or Chloe, if you're a rampant Chlois optimist) behind.



Clark lusting after EDLo, Chloe AND Jimmy could be kind of interesting. But this being the CW, I really doubt they'll go there:-).



That was my reaction, too. Yeah, chemistry is subjective, but when a guy is interested in me, I don't expect him to be looking all over the room while dancing with me.

Even if they get renewed for a season 9 and Tom doesn't resign, I still don't see people being happy with the whole "training bit" going on knowing Tom isn't going to come back. People want to see Clark embrace his destiny in the end with the costume and having that ending is going to be a copout for many.

Well everything ith Lex is a cop out and Petered out too. If Lex just disappeared and they wanted to pimp MR coming back for half a season despite it being a lie, then I can see them writing "And Clark goes to train so he becomes Superman...but TW will totally be back for the finale, wink!"

I wish the producers would stop giving interviews. Everything they say makes me dread finding out what happens next.

And S9 is a bad idea. S9 without TW is ridiculous. The producers will get blamed for going out with a whimper instead of a bang. At least with Buffy, the network was smart enough to recognize, without SMG, the show was pointless. Yeah, the show isn't Clark Kent, alien, but TW has almost twice the air time of the next actor. It won't work, but on a positive note....nope, I got nothing.

I think the purpose of this interview is to say, "Hey, we got more ideas!!" They're trying to wet our whistles for more and scare us a little too. I can't believe I care, but I do. I'm not watching season 9, but I do care about how it all ends.

Not only that, but they just wrapped or will be wrapping shooting fairly soon for production hiatus, right? And Lois isn't even in four of the episodes in the can. So how the Clois "chemistry" can be "charging full speed ahead" is... well, it's frankly not possible.

Good point, PolarB. I'd also add that Jimmy is MIA for the next 5 episodes, so how are Chloe and Jimmy going to "try to manage life" unless it's in Offscreensville (and well, who cares?). I really wish PSSS would keep their mouths shut.