Davis is not a meteor freak. He's a Kryptonian.

I, for one, would despise (hate, abhor) that scenario. This is Doomsday we're talking about. Davis should devolve to a killing machine capable of killing Clark.

Re: Black K - Good!Lex was a caricature. He lacked a part of him that made him human. He wasn't real, if that makes sense.

ETA: Using BlackK in this way would open a whole can of worms, I would think. Why not use it on murderers, meteor freaks, rapists,... to split the evil side out and voila instant cure? They can be reintegrated into society. The implications are chilling, imo. But then what do the "good guys" do with all the evil halves?

Chloe and the Isis members are meteor freaks. Davis/Dooms is Kryptonian/alien. That Chlark conversation, I thought set up a Xmen 3/ "Cure" scenario for them towards the end of the season, allowing the meteor freaks to return to their normal lives pre-infection. We've talked about it before, but if dangerous meteor freaks are going to be centrally located in Smallville, then Clark can't really leave it behind. He has a moral obligation to focus on those special dangers which he partially brought about. I figured he and/or Chloe would end up saving meteor freaks by curing them and the conversation was about getting Clark to realize they need help, too, because they may not WANT to end up a bad guy. It was about getting Clark to realize like Chloe, those other meteor freaks may be really good people feeling like they have no option other than hiding.

Me either. At least the beginning of the season seems to be the one for poor substitutes, isn't it? However, at least Clark/Chloe/Davis is interesting to watch. That said, tugging at the heart strings of Chlarkers so as to make the Substitute!CK and Nois work for these two is probably their attempt to make us emotionally invested in the endings they have planned for them - Davis, yes, that's tragic. ONTH, Nois, please just die already.



I don't think it would echo Chloe's, it mirrors Clark's more. I don't want Davis = Chloe as much as I want Davis = Clark more in terms of their storylines. I think Clark is way overdue for some good stuff (that they missed the boat on with Lex) and SW is doing a great enough job with Doomsday that I"m looking forward to more Clark/Davis scenes as Davis gets darker.



Exactly. They're playing with time travel this season, why not just bring a fully formed Doomsday back for the final battle or something? They got SW, and they seem to have started well enogh with Prey in showing his journey to becomng Doomsday - I really don't want to see the first exciting thign about the show in ages get sucked into a Twilight-like . If you're going to do Doomsday, do the angst, and do it well. Don't cop-out. This show is built on cop-outs sometimes, so please PTBs, not on this!!

Exactly my concern. Wave a little black K at the problem, and you have an easy out for Davis, as well as a "happy ending" for Chloe (as if Clark and Davis are interchangeable). I really don't want to see the writers cop out. But they've done it so many times before (for example, Lana kept Lionel imprisoned in a bear trap, but that was apparently perfectly okay, from the writers' viewpoint) that I just don't trust them.



Do we know that for sure? I thought we were still not quite sure what he is.



As I said on my LJ, I think this scenario is slightly different from splitting Lex or a "normal" human. In Lex's case, he was split into a good side and a bad side, and neither was complete. Davis seems more like a split personality, in which he's Davis, the (currently) dominant personality, and Doomsday, the (currently) repressed personality. I think the writers could make the case that black K was just separating out the "real" Davis, the way it separated out Clark from Kal-El's artificially created personality in "Crusade." It's not unlike stripping Brainiac out of Chloe-- when Brainiac is gone, she'll still presumably have her whole personality. It really just depends on what Doomsday is and how they write it, I think.

Also, I don't think the good guys should go around doing this all the time, but if Davis asked them to help, it wouldn't be so much like playing God, would it?

I completely agree. Words cannot describe how much I hate this idea. I don't want any ship that interferes with Chlark, but I have a special hatred for Chloom. Hatey hatey hate hate!



Me too. IMO, Chloe is a heroine and she deserves a hero. Davis *kills nuns*. Blacked out, astrally-projected, telekinetically, howeverthehell he does it, he's still a murderer. Even when he's Davis, he's creepy. Just appearing in her personal space, asking her squirmy questions. Ugh. I mean, I do feel sorry for him in that I know he'll lose his battle with his dark side, but to me, I don't think he's trying that hard to fight it. Giving himself blood tests, checking out bodies, and photographing murder scenes is fucked up, I don't care how cute or woobie you are.

Also, SW has heavily implied that they will do the epic battle between Clark and Dooms, so even after all that, if he's cured, he's still half of the guy who killed Superman. Chloe deserves better than the psychotic murderer even if that part of him has been "excised." If they aren't going to do Chlark, Chloom is not an acceptable option for me. I say Fuck Chloom. Do not want.

From one of the interviews, I thought Chloiac and Davis have a Kryptonian connection.


Chloe and Brainiac are two independent beings. Kal-El was an artificially created personality, as you say. Clark existed separately. But Davis has had blackouts all his life. It's part of who he is. Just as Clark has to grow to become Superman; Davis is growing to become Doomsday. That's just the way I see it given the little info we have.

ETA:
Word!

AM and SW have both pretty much said the Chloe-Davis attraction is partly because Davis is Kryptonian. They made him an orphan to mirror Clark except he is the one who didn't get adopted and isn't meant to have a great life. He has the instinct to kill while Clark has to the instinct to save and neither can surpress their instincts/natures.



ITA. Just as Lex had to become a bad guy. It's their natures and one of the themes of the show is that you cannot change your nature. The fable of the scorpion and the frog that Lionel told Lex was the truth.

Also, when they brought up Black K with Clark and Lex, neither were split permanently from their other half. Why? because they said one half could not exist without the other. If bad Lex killed good Lex, he would be killing himself. Even if they used Black K on him, if Doomsday is killed, then Davis would die. The scorpion basically killed himself when he stung the frog carrying him over the river, but he couldn't resist. He had to follow his nature even if it led to his destruction. And again, Davis may appear okay right now, but by Bride, I think we'll have a very different impression of him.

I don't get this - how can he be Kryptonian when he can easily stick a needle through his skin?

He could be like Brainiac (i.e. something that comes from Krypton, but not of the same race as Clark, Kara, the El and Zod families etc.) He doesn't fly like Clark/Kara/Brainiac/Zod. Clark/Kara/Brainiac/Zod didn't have bony protrusions. Seems they're not the same biologically, however, other species can exist on the same planet. Dooms seems really primal so I don't think he is an AI. I think he'll be a Kryptonian genetic mutation of some kind. Who knows, maybe he is the result of Zorel's science. Somehow I do think he'll be tied into the disco ball Lex had in Arctic.

A good question. My take on it was that he was somehow influenced by something that came with Clark in the meteor shower, but that wasn't purely Kryptonian. A genetic code stored in the spaceship that somehow affected a human, some alien creature that lived through the explosion and hitched a ride and then parasitically infected a human boy... something along those lines. But I don't think the show has really clarified the matter yet.

Yes but he's completely healed after his "episodes". Also his victim had Davis' skin under his nails. So he's not invulnerable as Dooms? It makes no real sense if he's going to go up against Clark at some point in the future.

BTW, IIRC, Brainiac has the same abilities as Clark and no weakness towards Kryptonite because he's not organic. Also he doesn't get his energy directly from the sun as Kryptonians do.

I wouldn't have thought of that implication from Davis' skin being under the victim's nail. I bet the writers didn't either because you're right Doomsday should be so tough that a wounded person scratching him shouldn't break his skin. I won't try to explain that because I doubt the show writers will either.

It's the Chimmy-effect, IMO. That relationship is so unbearable and Jimmy so pathetic and horrible that anyone, including Davis seems better by comparison.

That's just makes me go eww. Chloe deserves better than an alien killer and a poor excuse for a human in Jimmy. Either one is settling to me.

Stop posting spoilers in here, please. This is the Speculation Without Spoilers thread. That means no spoilers--even with tags. It's in the pinned note above.

I thought the Onyx reference was a nod to the fact that they're playing Davis and Clark as mirrors of each other. They're the flip sides of each other in a lot of ways.

I think in order for the story to work, Davis has to fall. Not just become the killing monster but give in to the killing monster. How much he cares and how much he'll fight are highly debatable even just one episode the actual storyline, but throwing in a black K separation throws out the parallel structure of Clark taking his final steps to open heroics while Davis takes the steps to become Doomsday. I'm not a fan of the whole "nature dictates everything about your destiny" thing, because I think it destroys the concept of human choice and makes any sort of "journey" story completely pointless, but here, it really works. Davis has something inside of him that compells him to destroy. There is a monster inside of him. Pairing that up with a Clark who has chosen to do good things (because it's not set in stone that he would- for every story about the Traveler being a hero, there's one about him being a villain, according to Ed Teague) works very well if Davis the person eventually gives in.

IIRC, they never confirmed this, actually. Bad Lex thought that was what would happen, and I think it's a logical inference, but it's not strictly canon. If they wanted to, they could change it without retconning, I think.

Gone to the mod thread

I have to go on record with Marikology and Elly here as far as Chlavis would be just a super substitute for Chlark ending the show. That way Cnois and the Iconic Icons of Iconisity can go on and be the bestest reporter team evah and Chlavis can go on to save meteor freaks on Lana's dime.

Yay!

PS3, if you are reading this. That was the most sarcasm I've ever mustered. There is NOTHING in the last seven seasons (and technically, thanks to progeny's flashbacks) following from Chloe's childhood that leads to Davis being "cured" of being Doomsday and sent off with Chloe into the sunset while Nois assumes everything Chloe ever wanted as the logical conclusion to this tale. The pilot and yes, people still remember it, started with establishing two facts about Chloe that have never ever wavered. One, that she's a journalist out to expose and explain what's happened since the meteor shower. Chloe Chronicles taken in stride, she's always been more about the truth than about being Florence Nightengale. Similarly, she's always been about Clark and about loving Clark. The only things about Chloom at this juncture are a game of comparisons. Jimmy is such a loathesome two timing fuckwit that the mass murderer seems a nice change of pace by comparison.

The second comparison is that everything that could be conceived as likable about Chloom is that it is a pale, pale imitation of Chlark. The connection, the easiness, everything that Chloe's felt outside of being mindwhammied and influenced by Brainiac is because Davis reminds her of Clark. So, even if by some assinine way, Davis was cure of being Doomsday (a ludicrous proposition in itself but so was Ben-is-Glory Doomsday), Chloe's attracted to him because he reminds her of another man.

Chloe's the heroine of the story. She's the one who's died for Clark. Who's worked tirelessly and lost her career and her freedom to protect Clark and to help stop Lex. She's the one who's losing piece by piece her freewill and her mind because of standing up to Brainiac. So the thought that her "reward" for all of this is to become an MF counselor with the guy who killed Supes by her side...it's loathsome and horrendous.

I really hope Elly's spec is wrong (although she called Chloiac) because it would be the biggest, most horrible, most pathetic cop-out ending since probably the way the Matrix piddled out or, since PS3 love mutants so much, the X-men movies ended.

Really, Chloe deserves the Planet and Clark Kent.

Davis should go evil all out and Doomsday should die just as Nois needs a bullet in the gut.

Anything else is just the ultimate of unfulfilled storylines and that's a lot to top considering what happened with Lex at the end of season seven.

So, again, definitely on the boat with Chloom DO NOT WANT!

In fact, the only thing I do want is Chlark and I've been saying that since season one. Maybe one day, someone would hear that.

KSite has the official description for "Bride" up.

...realized my analysis was influenced by a spoiler too.. moved to the spoiler thread

In the extended trailer for "Bloodline", am I seeing things, or does Chloe super-throw Oliver? That seem odd to anyone else? The super-throwing part, as well as the Oliver part?

The Chloiac-Oliver bit in Bloodline looks cool.

As for the official description of Bride. I am sick of "Clois grow closer." All we see is Clois all season and it's just boring me to tears. You'd think Chloe would matter at her own wedding but I feel like we'll just watch Spirit Redux with this time Lois playing the part of Lana and swooping in last minute with Clark.

I couldn't tell who Chloe was pushing away, clooless, all I could make out was someone getting shoved away pretty effortlessly by Chloe.

And I too am tired of "Clois growing closer" spoilers. I'm also tired of Chloe being thrilled about marrying Jimmy spoilers. It's all just too much.

I'm curious about the Chloe/Lois scene. If Zod's wife knows about Davis, I wonder what interesting bit she say to Chloe about Brainiac inside her.

I saw some blond hair. I think it might actually be him.

Yeah, I just went back and re-watched it and I think you're right, it's Oliver. At first I thought it was Jimmy, but I guess he's not in this ep.

Lois as Zod's wife attacks Chloe too, which I think is strange given Chloiac. Hah, maybe she thinks Chloe isn't good enough for her son. I'm hopeful for some more Chloiac/Doomsday stuff, because with last week's episode I'm ready for full blown Chloiac.

I went back and checked too, and I'm positive it's Oliver. I wonder what he's doing at Isis, though. Oh, well. More Chloe/Oliver scenes are always good. :)


There's a split-second shot in that promo of Chloe closing her eyes, right before she pushes Oliver. I think we might be headed for a Chloiac/Zod's wife (can't remember her name, for the life of me) showdown.

Don't see that anyone has posted this scan from TV Guide yet.

Found it on SpoilerTV. We've heard the Slavkin quote, but I hadn't seen the pic. Chloe looks lovely, even if she is next to Jimmy.

Thanks for the link. I was worried about the dress and hair because SV can be pretty hit-and-miss in that department, but Chloe really looks beautiful. It's kind of sad to see her so happy with Jimmy, though.

She's that happy when lobotomized and taken over by an evil robot so, I feel somewhat better about that.

Ugh. Jimmy looks like such a kid. They have no business getting married.

And if that is the theme of the show, and I think it is, this is why I hate Smallville, and think the show is evil. To say that someone is 'Born Evil', and cannot be 'saved' by any amount of kindness or love, so you should just treat them like dirt -- which is how people on SV treated Lex -- that is disgusting.

The fable Lionel told about the scorpion is true -- about scorpions. Scorpions are insects, programmed with instincts to act a certain way. A scorpion cannot change its nature. People are not insects. Lex was not born evil, and he had no evil nature. He tried to break away from Lionel's programming, but had little or no help from anyone to do so. In fact, he was hindered at every turn. Lied to, beaten up, tortured, betrayed -- over and over -- by people he loved and trusted. Lionel told Lex that fable as another way of tearing him down, the way parents tell their kids, 'Oh, you'll never be any good. You're stupid and worthless and always will be -- you'll never change.'

And if the way people on SV acted is a sign of their natures which they cannot change, then Clark will always be a liar who betrays his friends.

In that part, I rewatched the trailer. In front of Chloe is the crystal in that turning/spinning device Tess had. I think Chloe was opening a gateway to the Phantom Zone, and tossed Ollie to the side so he doesn't get pulled in.

There's an interview with IGN regarding Legion. Thanks to k-site for the heads-up.

Cuba huh? Lana gets all the sexy locations.

And look, two mentions of Chloe on her wedding day :-)

Go CHLOOM!

Dear Dooms and Clark, please be to squishing Jimmy, the Womanizer like the little punk kid he is? Repeatedly? Thanx



Right, like going to the PZ makes them grow closer, like working together was supposed to make them grow closer. Like her SWF-ing is supposed to make her grow closer to being Chloe v 2.0 and Clark *rolls eyes* It's all Nois is doing this season "growing closer" - someone, please help her grow closer to getting shot and dieing please? Thanx.

And yeah, a whopping two mentions of Chloe on her wedding day, meemalee. Heaven forbid Chloe disrupt a sentence about Nois and clark growing closer. Let see how much Nois and Clark can grow closer, shall we?

The Legion comes back to rescue Chloe, and Nois isn't anywhere in the storyline - altogether now: Nois and Clark grow closer
Nois is at a monster truck rally - Nois and Clark grow closer
Nois steals Clark's story - Nois and Clark grow closer
Clark zips up her Dress - Nois and Clark grow closer
he says he wants to work with Chloe more than Nois, of course that means Nois and Clark grow closer
Kara comes back - Nois and Clark grow closer

Well, at least Nois is busy growing closer to Clark while all the main storylines happen without her and with Chlark. *shrugs*

All this "growing closer" nonsense just makes me think of this

Excellent!

Suddenly it's in your face!

Alas, meemalee, I can't see this at work right now :/

Ohhh, and one more!

Nois isn't in three of the five episodes Lana is in, so naturally she and Clark will be growing closer in those episodes, because that's what happens when you're ICONIC & MYTHOS characters that are filled to the brim with DENSITY. You don't actually have to be in an episode and a storyline to grow closer to clark *nods*

Silly me, thinking that Chloe, after having to ednure Brainiac and Doomsday, will make Clark and her grow closer.

Heh this growing closer is already a joke like jealousy from Clark about Nois going on a date. Is like they say to the press whatever you write write Nois and Clark growing closer don't mind that is not what actually happens on the show.

And funny enough Chlark grew closer for seven years without them needing to say it on any description/article or press release. I think I won't pay attention to that anymore.

So can I assume after Lois is absent for three episodes she and Clark will suddenly be engaged?

No, no. Don't bother leading up to it or explaining how that happened Smallville. That's fine. I mean, all I need to know is that it's ICONIC! that Lois and Clark end up together right? They have a BOND, yes? I don't need a plausible reason, or any evidence, for why this version of the couple shoout want to be together. I just need to be told everything makes them GROW CLOSER and that's it.

Excellent.

So in the promo for Abyss, as Chloe's memory is fading, is she back at her engagement party? Was that the dress she was wearing? I like that as more of her memory is gone she ends up in Clark's barn.

Well, yeah. They're swinging by to pick up Nois' Pulitzer on the way to the party, growing closer all the way there.

That way, by the time the Nois first episode back is over: she would have "won" the show and "won" her Pulizter. She gets raises 'cause she's just that awesome. Clearly, that's the only reason for her to get the Pulitzer *nods*



Aside from Nois' absence netx week, that makes me smile. He is in her heart, and that leads her to him every time.

I felt the trailer for Abyss was pretty lackluster. The spoilers we've gotten for the episode make it seem more exciting than this trailer does.

That's it? I got online to find out what the trailer was like. No Clark in the FOS. No Chlark. Not much Chloe/Dooms drama. Not much of a hint about the new flashbacks....

That was a pathetic trailer.

I think one of the flashbacks is the Vessel kiss. Chloe is wearing that hideous turquoise jacket (you can only see the sleeve as she grabs Davis' hand) in a darkened DP. Clark probably disappears from the memory and Davis stands in his place.

While the trailer was underwhelming, it made me think of something.


The ending bit we see what looks like the DP set and Chloe in blue. I immediately thought of the Vessel kiss.

It's making me wonder if Brainiac is not only erasing her memories but also altering some of the more important one like the Chlark kiss and making it seems like it was Davis instead. It would make sense than why she would only trust Davis. Brainiac is manipulating her memories and feelings to get her closer to Davis.

So is he going to zip her up and work with her at the planet?

Sorry couldn't resist I think Closer! is the next Iconic!

I have a silly question: who writes these episode descriptions? The number of times I see "grow closer" is so far beyond ridiculous and non-funny that it's beginning to get pathetic. When you have to repeat something like this over and over and over so blatanlty, it reeks of desperation. Please stop. Use a new term or something because this "get closer" has been overdone.

On a happier note, am I correct in remembering that Jeannot Szwarc directed Noir? I thought the visuals there were quite excellent, so I exptect the same here.

A webclip for Abyss has been posted here-- a Chloe and Davis scene.

Thanks for posting EllyF. Wow, just seeing that is making me want to watch this episode live.