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marikology
But up until Siren, Lois still seemed to barely tolerate Clark.


Even during Siren. In a deleted scene, Lois offers a sympathetic ear (he's fighting with Lana) and Clark is flat-out rude to her. He tells her, "Can it, Lois.... Just don't." He's basically Kal. Which actually could explain why he went to check up on her, cos he was on his way to apologize... Anyway, I don't buy any sort of love confession we may or may not get in Committed either. It really just makes no sense. I want to see Clark's reaction to Chloe's letter, dammit. (And Chimmy fighting.)
Tobi
See, the thing I don't get exactly, and maybe it's because they are trying to rope in viewers now which doesn't seem to be working. However, they have Cnois doing these big things with like twu wuv confession...in episode five. It was originally supposed to have a kiss too but this was all scheduled for way before the sweeps period? What do we have in sweeps:

1) Identity with Nois in B plot dating someone and Chlarkimmy tension
2) Bloodline with Nois OOC and Kara and Clark interaction
3) Abyss which is all about Chloe as well as some Chloom tension
4) Bride which, despite the sides, is about, well, the BRIDE

So they have this initial push of CNOIS!!! and something that should be a big, serious event and it's because of a torture game by a psychotic jeweler and not even worthy as a ratings stunt for sweeps? I mean, how would Cnois tell their kids (yes I know the compatibility ranges in canons) they started out?

"Well, we hated each other then this space slut said we were meant to be and we also were tortured with a Kryptonite based lie detector which both made us go 'It's destiny!'" How is that supposed to be romantic for anybody? Not to mention you'd couple it in with, "Plus your second cousin Chloe used to love your dad enough to risk her career and her life for him but he totally fell for me because I treated him like shit his first months at the DP and stole his work!"

Marikology - what? His reaction of loft gazing and the nonsensical "I never knew how she felt" wasn't enough for you?
Teen Titan
The crystal shattered when the Wraith went through it, in Phantom.


Wait, what? Really? I completely missed that. Seems to me like Zod is gone for good then.
Eurybia
Wait, what? Really? I completely missed that. Seems to me like Zod is gone for good then.
I completely missed that too. But I just can't believe that Zod is gone for good. It's Zod! And I still don't understand how the crystal itself could permanently hold those spirits. But since Brainiac hasn't brought him up at all, he probably isn't the master plan.
Teen Titan
I assume this goes here? The CW sweeps information on Smallville:

Thursday, November 6
SMALLVILLE "Bloodline" (8:00-9:00 p.m.) Supergirl (guest star Laura Vandervoort) returns and Lois suddenly finds she has superhuman powers.

Thursday, November 13
SMALLVILLE "Abyss" (8:00-9:00 p.m.) When Brainiac replaces Chloe's memories with Kryptonian code, Clark takes her to the Fortress of Solitude so Jor-El can heal her. Davis tells Chloe she is marrying the wrong man.


Nothing about Bloodline we didn't already know. But "Davis tells Chloe she is marrying the wrong man"? Hell yes. Someone on the show needed to say it.

Hopefully this is followed by them having sex on the desk at Isis.
Eurybia
But "Davis tells Chloe she is marrying the wrong man"? Hell yes. Someone on the show needed to say it.
All I have to say to that is:

GO CHLOOM! GO DOOMS! :D
jimmy4
Davis tells Chloe she is marrying the wrong man.

Wohoo! Davis is already my favorite character this season, but this? This just makes him super in my books.
Hopefully this is followed by them having sex on the desk at Isis.

I second this! Go Chloom! If I won't get chlark, then I would rather Chloe runs away with Dooms where they can make many little Chloomlings together and proceed to conquer the world. Go DOOMS!
Teen Titan
I forgot to add this. Maybe because I'm still trying to pretend it isn't happening.

Thursday, November 20

SMALLVILLE "Bride" (8:00-9:00 p.m.) It's Chloe and Jimmy's wedding day, and Lana Lang (Kristen Kreuk) returns to Smallville.


Again, nothing we didn't already know.
Tobi
Thank god. Clark should have said that because he KNOWS JIMMY SOLD CHLOE OUT TO LEX!!!

Also, nice ot have you back, LV, please don't pimp Clois like the last alien chick we had on. K, thanks.

Finally, I second the desk sex in ISIS.
nwp01
I'd have absolutely no problem if Dooms says Chloe should marry him. No problem at all.

And thank the heavens that somebody said it. I'm tired of everyone walking on eggshells and tiptoeing around issues. I hope Doomie blows sh*t up--physically and metaphorically.
CantThinkUpName
If Dooms asks Chloe to marry him, it does fit into the entire Clark's subconscious theory being espoused awhile back.
Teen Titan
I will take back every bad thing I've said if a marriage does happen in Bride... A marriage between Chloe and Davis!
RepairmanBob
I'm hoping Davis says Chloe should marry Tess.
done
I guess this kickstarts the Davis,Chloe,Jimmy love triangle.What's lame about it is the fact that it's 99,9% likely that this will be used to pimp Chimmy in the end.I get Jimmy is an ssshat but to put Chloe on the same pedastal isnt really helpful at all.
CantThinkUpName
I guess this kickstarts the Davis,Chloe,Jimmy love triangle.What's lame about it is the fact that it's 99,9% likely that this will be used to pimp Chimmy in the end.I get Jimmy is an ssshat but to put Chloe on the same pedastal isnt really helpful at all.
I don't even know if that's true. I'm sure by Bride (or shortly thereafter), the Davis threat will be known and I don't know if the show would even bother to handle the suspense of "When'll Chloe find out about Davis?"
done
I don't even know if that's true. I'm sure by Bride (or shortly thereafter), the Davis threat will be known and I don't know if the show would even bother to handle the suspense of "When'll Chloe find out about Davis?"


I believe TPTB have stated more than once that Bloome's transformation will be very slowly.And yes I totally see them having Chloe struggling with her feelings for those 2 for a good while.Both characters (Davis,Jimmy) are regulars and we all know how SV love it's triangles.
Eurybia
Why would they kick start a love triangle in the episode before the wedding of one of the couples? It makes no sense, unless the wedding doesn't happen/last. I mean, they had to learn something from S6!Clexana, right? I for one say no to another cheating spouse plotline.

I'm sure by Bride (or shortly thereafter), the Davis threat will be known and I don't know if the show would even bother to handle the suspense of "When'll Chloe find out about Davis?"
I don't see how the Davis/Dooms arc will work if the characters all know he's a killer this early in the season. As soon as they all find out for a fact, it's game over, right? This isn't like Lex, where they're bound by human rules. Doomsday is an alien and MM is around somewhere; they could lock him up like Bizarro and Knox.

I still think it would be cool if Davis/Dooms got somehow roped into Tess' Suicide Squad/Injustice Gang/whatever. Mainly because I want to see Tess and Davis in a scene together.
done
Why would they kick start a love triangle in the episode before the wedding of one of the couples? It makes no sense.


Well they did it with the Clexana.And IIRC they also pulled something similar when Lex and Helen were together.It's 101 triangle writing imo.
CantThinkUpName
I don't see how the Davis/Dooms arc will work if the characters all know he's a killer this early in the season.
That's one thing I've never been able to work out. I think it all depends on how Bride ends and maybe it's because I'm still under the impression that it's Dooms. Unless they don't know he's actually Doomsday even after seeing Doomsday. I personally still think they screwed up by telling us that he's Doomsday before he was even cast.

My problem more came in keeping up the suspense after we see Doomsday. If we already know Davis is evil, our journey should be with Chloe and wanting to see her uncover the truth behind Davis. But, as strange as it might sound, I can't see the show doing that. At the very least, not well. Then again, it would be another "seemingly nice person in some sort of love affair with a regular who ends up being super evil" like they've done so, so, so many times in the past.
PolarB
I don't see how the Davis/Dooms arc will work if the characters all know he's a killer this early in the season. As soon as they all find out for a fact, it's game over, right?

Not necessarily. I'm getting the impression we're going to see (and again going back to SW's comments about Jaws, by "see" I mean "catch strategic glimpses of, but not the whole thing") an actual transformed Doomsday in Bride. If he's switching back and forth from Davis and Doomsday and back again, they're going to be looking for some kind of alien monster, not Davis Bloome, EMT.

To me, this sets up a last half arc - Davis now knowing and trying to come to terms with/heal himself of what he is, and Clark and the gang trying to find and stop this creature. IMO, It isn't game over until the connection is made that Davis and Doomsday are the same person, which I don't think we'll be getting by Bride.

Doomsday is an alien and MM is around somewhere; they could lock him up like Bizarro and Knox.

But MM's depowered. I know he's in Prey, but I doubt he'll have his powers back by then. And since he seems to be meeting Clark at the DP in the episode stills and not at the farm, I have a feeling all he's doing is providing Clark with information about the suspicious deaths, letting him know that MM believes there's an alien connection.
Eurybia
But MM's depowered. I know he's in Prey, but I doubt he'll have his powers back by then.
Good point. But with MM only in three episodes (according to a pre-season interview; maybe it's changed?), I can't see them stretching out the depowered arc, unless they've got a big moment planned for him to be restored in his third episode. MM not having powers could cut back on the budget though, which is a plus for them.

To me, this sets up a last half arc - Davis now knowing and trying to come to terms with/heal himself of what he is, and Clark and the gang trying to find and stop this creature. IMO, It isn't game over until the connection is made that Davis and Doomsday are the same person, which I don't think we'll be getting by Bride.
I agree that it's not game over until then, and I really hope we won't get it by Bride. I'm just skeptical of the show actually transforming Davis to such an extent that he wouldn't be recognizable before the big final battle. If they do go full-out but just show us glimpses, Jaws-style, I'll be really impressed (and that is what SW's comments hint toward).

If we already know Davis is evil, our journey should be with Chloe and wanting to see her uncover the truth behind Davis. But, as strange as it might sound, I can't see the show doing that. At the very least, not well.
I don't know if they're going to do it well (probably not), but if they're going with the "they don't know Davis is Doomsday even after Doomsday has been revealed" plan, I think that's exactly what we'll get. It is the formula on this show, like you said.
Chiriru
Thank god. Clark should have said that because he KNOWS JIMMY SOLD CHLOE OUT TO LEX!!!


And you know, I think that is about all that will happen. I think Davis speech be about him (but since he's kind of a dark mirror to Clark, if they write it in generalities, it could 'fit' him too). Thus we set up Clark being lonely and unhappy at the celebration - kind of like the Thanksgiving ending in s6. And we set up Davis going postal.

And it is a sign that Chimmy so isn't lasting (time reversal, annulment?) so that will be the twist I would bet for the end. Right now Chloiac is with Jimmy who isn't ideal but isn't going to kill her in her sleep either; so we've got Clark trying to step back and not being happy about it. Davis/Dooms in the long run is going to probably make him HAVE to be more proactive.

To me, this sets up a last half arc - Davis now knowing and trying to come to terms with/heal himself of what he is, and Clark and the gang trying to find and stop this creature. IMO, It isn't game over until the connection is made that Davis and Doomsday are the same person, which I don't think we'll be getting by Bride.


Good call.

My problem more came in keeping up the suspense after we see Doomsday. If we already know Davis is evil, our journey should be with Chloe and wanting to see her uncover the truth behind Davis.


See, I think Chloe might get way more proactive after Brainiac is out of her head. I suspect we'll see an ep or two off where Chloe is getting out of the marriage (if time isn't reset), and rethinking about Tess. With Davis being literally a split persona I don't think there is anything wrong with Davis and everything wrong with what is inside of him.

Over time, I expect it to pull a full Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde where Davis disappears completely, but I do think we'll see Chloe on the case of the monster some. That's probably why they are doing the video, thus having evidence to start from. Clark will probably think it's Davis, again, thus friction. I would think Jimmy would be on this plot too given how many s4-actor eps they all have together.

What I'm wondering though is what will go on with Lana, Tess, Ollie and the rest though as they seem to be keeping those plotlines kinda separated.
Eurybia
See, I think Chloe might get way more proactive after Brainiac is out of her head. I suspect we'll see an ep or two off where Chloe is getting out of the marriage (if time isn't reset), and rethinking about Tess. With Davis being literally a split persona I don't think there is anything wrong with Davis and everything wrong with what is inside of him.

Over time, I expect it to pull a full Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde where Davis disappears completely, but I do think we'll see Chloe on the case of the monster some. That's probably why they are doing the video, thus having evidence to start from. Clark will probably think it's Davis, again, thus friction. I would think Jimmy would be on this plot too given how many s4-actor eps they all have together.
Taking this to the spoiler thread.
apeygirl
Someone at K-site transcribed an interview with the PSSSHeads from Smallville magazine.

Has she lost her healing abilities after the encounter?
TS:Yes, In the battle with Brainiac, she had to use all her healing powers to heal herself.


So... If this brainiac mess is cleaned up, is she no longer a meteor freak?

Now that they have committed to each other, will it be smooth sailing for Chloe and Jimmy?
DS: When is it ever smooth sailing on Smallville
BP:I think everyone knows where Chloe's heart lies.


Don't, BP! DO. NOT. Don't even try to say things like this after Committed. Because I can't help but think you're lying just to keep me hanging on.
pyralis
TS:Yes, In the battle with Brainiac, she had to use all her healing powers to heal herself

And you were going to spell this out for us when?
Adela1985
I wish we knew when the interview was conducted because than we could figure out which episode they had already written up to that point.
Far Away
Has she lost her healing abilities after the encounter?
TS:Yes, In the battle with Brainiac, she had to use all her healing powers to heal herself.


How do they explain how Lana got healed from Brainiac?

That was a battle with Brainiac and Chloe? He tried to do the same thing to Lana and Chloe's abilities got in the way, but Brainiac still put her in the same state as Lana! I think PS3 make this stuff up as they go along, seriously!
RemDiamond
I thought that Chloe would bring Clark back to life if Dooms kills him. Hmmm. I recall an interview earlier in which one of the producers said Chloe's heart would always be with Clark.
EllyF
Is that the old issue of Smallville Magazine that's been out for a while, or is there a new one? I'd check and see if it was in the last issue (which has been out for at least a month), but my daughter stole my copy again *rolls eyes*. Regardless, the info in Smallville Mag is always really old due to the lag in printing. Even if it's hot off the presses, it's out of date.
Old Juan
Usually any interviews that take place magazines are a month old by the time the magazine that contains them gets on store shelves. So if this interview was in the last issue of SV magazine then this could have taken place before Committed was even written.
CantThinkUpName
TS:Yes, In the battle with Brainiac, she had to use all her healing powers to heal herself.
That is such bullshit! I hated the GTOS. I HAAAAAATED them. I hated because they didn't make sense for Chloe. I hated how they were used. I hated that we never got to see her master them.

And now, "oh, by the way, they're gone." No explanation. No drama. And like the ADD riddled children they are, they got bored with them and decided to throw it away.

How do they explain how Lana got healed from Brainiac?
I assumed that she got healed when Clark blew him up so he was unable to control control over her.

ETA: Didn't they also say that Chloe was going to get a bunch of powers?
KRehnberg
But MM's depowered. I know he's in Prey, but I doubt he'll have his powers back by then. And since he seems to be meeting Clark at the DP in the episode stills and not at the farm, I have a feeling all he's doing is providing Clark with information about the suspicious deaths, letting him know that MM believes there's an alien connection.

Maybe this is finally the time we get some backstory on MM, but I won't hold my breath. I hope they go with the Detective Angle. Put him in the Metropolis PD or something. Even a P.I. would be cool. MM is such a great character, his fans need to be thrown a bone.

Although, with this show...once you they try character development, it usually turns out to be character assassination.
Bkwurm
TS:Yes, In the battle with Brainiac, she had to use all her healing powers to heal herself.


I swear not too long ago (month? maybe less) there was an interview (I think it was with AM) that said we would see her healing powers again.

I'd be happy if they went away forever, but I need definitive answers.
CantThinkUpName
Maybe this is finally the time we get some backstory on MM, but I won't hold my breath. I hope they go with the Detective Angle. Put him in the Metropolis PD or something. Even a P.I. would be cool. MM is such a great character, his fans need to be thrown a bone.
I wouldn't be surprised if that's his point in an upcoming episode. I kind of would have liked Clark to work for him before joining the Daily Planet to hone his investigative skills with someone he could be open with.
KRehnberg
It's been two seasons he's been around without a single mention of what he's up to in between appearances(besides "keeping a watchful eye from a distance"). How bout Clark bumps into him at a crime scene and he says you're not the only one who can blend in as a human Kal-El.
nwp01
Now that they have committed to each other, will it be smooth sailing for Chloe and Jimmy?
DS: When is it ever smooth sailing on Smallville
BP:I think everyone knows where Chloe's heart lies.


Shut up, BP. Just shut up. You're the same one that said in Omar's interview that fans would be "happy" with wherever Chloe ended up.

I don't think so. Please just stop talking about Chloe or where he heart lies, because clearly, you're not going there.

I'll get over that, sure-but just stop lying about it.
Mekastic
BP:I think everyone knows where Chloe's heart lies.


It's obvious that Chloe's heart lies with Clark. But that doesn't imply resolution for the character and I'm afraid BP is going to sanction Chimmy and turn Chlark into one of those tragic loves stories of "what could've been".
Bkwurm
But that doesn't imply resolution for the character and I'm afraid BP is going to sanction Chimmy and turn Chlark into one of those tragic loves stories of "what could've been".


But why did they have to destroy who Chloe was to do it? I could have accepted Chloe finding someone else and bought into Chlark as one of those tragic what could have been stories if she chose someone worthy, but for Chloe to be with Jimmy they has to lobotimize her personality and make her give up every dream and that is the biggest tragedy. She doesn't even have new dreams to replace her old ones. She's left with something Lana got bored with and someone I find boring.
PolarB
I'm surprised no one's posted this yet, but there's a preview clip from Prey here, featuring a scene between Clark and Davis. It seems the CW is starting to release these as opposed to Director's Cuts now. I first saw it on DTS, but their site seems to be down, so I believe credit goes there.
hodl2003
Thanks, PolarB. Now that's something that interests me; the start of the buildup to a Dooms/Supes smackdown.
Bkwurm
Whoa! Great scene! New dude rocks!
decipher
Deleted; November 15, 2008.
Adela1985
Now see. When the show isn't bogged down by shipper wars, it's a damn good show.

I just love the way Davis leaned into Clark and whispered so quielty that he needs to look at himself before he starts accusing others.
Bkwurm
FYI, DC should go under Spoilers.
nwp01
Taken to Spoilers thread.
Teen Titan
That is such bullshit! I hated the GTOS. I HAAAAAATED them. I hated because they didn't make sense for Chloe. I hated how they were used. I hated that we never got to see her master them.

And now, "oh, by the way, they're gone." No explanation. No drama. And like the ADD riddled children they are, they got bored with them and decided to throw it away.


What the hell? I LOVED Chloe's powers. I know I'm in a massive minority, but I thought they were so perfect for her. I've been holding out for the moment at the end of the season when she cradles Clark in her arms and heals him, possibly killing herself in the process.

But they're just gone? And how does that jibe with Allison saying we'd see them again? Gah!

And what's the point of her whole Isis arc if she isn't even going to be meteor infected herself? Just to shove her out of the way so they don't have to deal with what Chloe is doing on a daily basis? 'Oh, she's at Isis' without ever showing her doing anything Isis connected.

I just... Guys, I'm not sure I can keep watching. :( Not even for Awesome Tess and Dooms.
RepairmanBob
And what's the point of her whole Isis arc if she isn't even going to be meteor infected herself? Just to shove her out of the way so they don't have to deal with what Chloe is doing on a daily basis? 'Oh, she's at Isis' without ever showing her doing anything Isis connected.
Well, they also needed to get Chloe out of the way of the ICONIC ICONS of ICONICITY at the Daily Planet. After all, Chloe does not matter, since she is not in a comic book that is read by a group that consists of less that 1/100 of the Smallville viewing auidence.
Iconic
How do they explain how Lana got healed from Brainiac?

That was a battle with Brainiac and Chloe? He tried to do the same thing to Lana and Chloe's abilities got in the way, but Brainiac still put her in the same state as Lana! I think PS3 make this stuff up as they go along, seriously!

Brainaic did not attack Chloe the same way he attacked Lana. Yes 3 tube fingers things, came out, but Brainiac pierced Lana's eyes and forehead. With Chloe it was the side of her head and her forehead. I think Brainiac was trying to Kill Chloe, while zombiefy Lana. IIRC, Brianiac killed Dax Ur by attacking the sides of his head. So I think Brainiac was doing that to Chloe.
hodl2003
And what's the point of her whole Isis arc if she isn't even going to be meteor infected herself? Just to shove her out of the way so they don't have to deal with what Chloe is doing on a daily basis? 'Oh, she's at Isis' without ever showing her doing anything Isis connected.

I may be wwaayy off base here, but Chloe being at Isis this season is directly related to Davis/Dooms and the Dooms/Supes smackdown. She doesn't have to be meteor infected to run Isis. I'm not trying to start anything...I like Chloe.
I've been holding out for the moment at the end of the season when she cradles Clark in her arms and heals him, possibly killing herself in the process.

If after the final Dooms/Supes smackdown, absolutely! Although, I really wish she wouldn't die for good.
Teen Titan
At this point I'd rather Chloe went out in a blaze of glory, saving Clark's life as her final act, rather than to live on as Mrs Jimmy Olsen, Normal Housewife.

Chloe absolutely doesn't have to be meteor infected to run Isis... But I just feel like that would give the storyline more personal oomph. Please, please, please let Chloe's powers return once Brainiac is gone. I can't handle them systematically stripping Chloe of everything that once made her special.

Brianiac killed Dax Ur by attacking the sides of his head. So I think Brainiac was doing that to Chloe.


Brainiac was extracting the information he needed to repair himself from Dax-Ur. I assume he died, but was this ever confirmed? Who knows what he was doing to Chloe. If he wanted her dead their were easier ways. I mean, he has Kryptonian powers after all.
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