Oh, me too, absolutely. From my POV, it's like a reverse ad for Smallville: "If you want to miss a Smallville episode, you'll definitely want to miss THIS Smallville episode!" This episode is for sure number one on my list... and I don't mean that in a good way.

As a fellow Noiscotter, I totally know what you mean. Although I think Davis/Dooms sounds really fascinating and his introduction should have been a huge big deal. I'm surprised that isn't being played up more. Not that I would watch Plastique even if it were, since it has all that other Nois and Clark at the DP BS that I don't have the patience to deal with in it. I'm still annoyed with that cap of the two of them at their desks like Chlark was in Phantom. It's too much to put up with. ( BTW, I loved when I saw in the reviews that Tess had a line like that with Nois - that she didn't have the patience for her. Tess sounded awesome. ) The good thing is that people have scenes up on youtube really fast and my lj friends link to the ones that are worth it and put up cap reviews within hours. I can get the gist, see what everyone looks like, and if there is something of particular interest like Dooms or Chloe or Chlark or Chloe/Tess, then I can watch it on youtube and avoid the aggravation of the goofy, awkward scenes of Nois at the DP.

I watched the premiere and the Nois hijinks was Nois being a DS so it didn't bother me. "Plastique" however has the potential for making me a Noiscotter too. I'll see how those Iconic Iconess of Iconicity play out.

I guess my point was that there sadly is some light promotion of Clark and EDLois at the DP. And I too find it interesting they didn't show them together in the "Plastique" trailer. I was actually expecting to see it after "Odyssey" aired, I smiled when it didn't.

I've read a couple of detail oriented reviews of the season premiere and Nois wasn't in a lot of scenes and the Nois and Clark scenes are few and brief which would probably lead to it being easier to take. Plastique is supposed to be their first day working together and I would bet that there will be a lot more Nois and Clark in this then there was in Odyssey.

Or it was purely buzz off their part which wouldn't necessarily reflect off from the episode. For what we know Clois could only share that opening scene from the stills and a final scene with that ICONIC! Chlark redo4clois shot. Basically suggesting Clois was nothing more then a media buzz to attract people to the FACT they're working together and nothing more.

I mean based on the Chlark outshining Clois in the premiere, I think there is a chance, Clois is just media hype.


I disagree, I believe there will be about the same, nois and Clark.

We are basically given a scene at the beginning of the ep where Lois changes Clark's shirt, then the explosion, it's since then things change. The episode focuses on the A plot, Plastique and Chloe. We see a shot of Clark with his red Flannel shirt at the Talon again, meaning he changes back to his original shirt. Based on that "New legend begins" season trailer had a VO of Clark explaining why he's there, who's he talking to? My guess he's talking to Chloe about his job there. I believe the first scene and the last scene would be Clois scenes, possible one in the middle but nothing too Nois and Clarky.

Add, Tess and Davis into the mix, add a Cless save/Cless chat "Hopefully you can see me as more then just your boss" the DC Chloom bit, and such.

It's clear IMHO that more is going on the just, Cnois.

I admit this will be considered more of the Cnois heavy episode as Committed will be, but I don't really see them assigned to work on it together. According to the still, all it ends up happening is Clark gets his obituary of a victim proof read with red marks by Lois, and Lois says something about his future, like what she said in the ComicCon trailer.

When I see this onscreen, I know I'm going to LMAO and then roll my eyes in disgust. Why?

Because on the one hand tptb say: "See?? Lois is a bad speller! It's iconic!"

And then she's proof reading Clark's work with red marks? (which Chloe used to do for Clark sans red marks, I might add. Another case of BTDT?) ...going to be his boss/mentor/whatever?

Which one is it?

I guess Apocalypse was right. In a world without Clark for 4 weeks, Lois became "intrepid", "legendary", so improved in her writing skills that she gets to proof read work of someone who was involved in journalism and writing long before we ever saw her face onscreen, and she gets to be his 'boss'.

I can't wait for when he goes away to training.

I guess we'll have to wait and see then as far as how much Nois and Clark there is in "Plastique". Or for me read the detailed episode reviews since I won't be watching. That being said the reason I believe there will more scenes between them than in Odyssey is because in the premiere Clark's storyline had him separated from Chloe and Nois for much of the time. In this episode it seems much of the action in both storylines are happening in Metropolis which means all the characters are in one centralized location which means a greater chance of more scenes with the two.

Yet, we know Plastique is taken to the Talon which is located in Smallville, via the trailer. Yet we know Clark is at the Talon for a scene at least in his red flannel shirt. We also know there is an explosion in the alley of the Talon.

We know that Lois is also at the Talon, from the trailer. So it does seem like the usual fare, with all of them shuttling between Smallville and Metropolis. That little (okay, gaping) plot hole, as to why these people waste so much time travelling between two cities pointlessly, is never going to go away.

That said, I'm looking forward to "Plastique". First off, there's Tom in formal dress wear. I like bumbling!Clark, and happy!Clark, and I'm sure the episode will have plenty of that. Of course, Davis, and Chloom, seem pretty interesting from what we've seen so far, so there's another thing to look forward to. Have I mentioned the dress-clothes? Seriously. That alone is worth watching an episode for.

Amazing Adventures of Nois and Clark aside, "Plastique" gives me Chloom. While I'm quite sure there's going to be a lot of Clois (which I dislike), the Chloom and Cless have me interested. I'm so excited for Davis! Go Dooms!

I guess that makes sense. The focus just seems weird. They kept saying "Lex knows the secret," which granted is a concern. But it's not something they can do anything about. Without, as CTUN said, giving him one in the back of his head. If they are going to keep going on about it (and who knows if they are), I would like some sort of discussion about the plan. If only to reassure me that they aren't just gonna kill him or something. Heh.

Guys, I think Slavkin just confirmed that Chloe's source of supersmart powers is a Brainiac infection in this Odyssey Preview.

Not that we weren't betting on it already, but it's nice to have confirmation.

There's also a Plastique Preview with BP. Since it's generally the official description in other words, I'm posting it here. There are no real spoilers in there, although this might have spoiled my watch of it:



Advice from Nois?? On how to be a REAL journalist? *cringes* What, he's banging Tess too?

Hope it turns out he's getting REAL advice from Chloe (and snickers at Nois's remarks) and TPTB confused the names again. Silly PTB.

To cheer everyone up, I came across a slow motion (not so much, but anyway) of SW's "transformation" from the extended trailer at the CW site:

Doomsday, first look

Looks pretty cool to me. It's like a monster movie inside SV.

Wow, they actually seem to be employing a makeup artist. Thank God, I really did fear it'll just look exactly like Davis.

Woa woa woa WOA. Pardon? Let me get this straight. Clark, who was introduced to journalism by his Metropolis-born and raised, DP-worshipping best friend at the age of what, 13, who joined the staff of the high school newspaper at 14 and worked there through at least part of senior year under the tutelage of said best friend (the same best friend that scored an internship at the DP the summer going into soph year), who has spent an obscene amount of time with yes, the same best friend at the DP for the last 3 years, is going to be taught about "real" journalism by fucking NOIS?! Nois, whose journalistic values are comprised of sleeping with the boss, praying for the tooth fairy to drop evidence into her Lotus Notes, digging through her cousin's trash for stories (incidentally, the very same cousin who's Clark's best friend!), and basically hunting for notoriety and fame rather than actual truth and justice (a fact which I believe was even further cemented by Nois' line in the premiere about Chloe's being guilty of standing up for what she believes in, which is the core of Chloe's journalistic integrity)? Really?

Okay. That might be the most preposterous statement I've seen from TPTB, like, ever. It's beyond sidelining Chloe and morphing Nois into the character in all but name. This is officially crossing the line into fucking absurd. I am saying it here first--I no longer even want to see Chlois come to pass. If THIS is PS3's idea of iconic, I want Chloe Sullivan as far away from the name Lois Lane as humanly possible. I mean, why even continue with the series? What's the point? If characters can be lightswitched and logic and reason and years of development are just cast off to the wind with a flick of a pen, why even bother to watch? I feel like I'm staring at the color blue and PS3 are in my ear screaming that it's really orange. There is already a female journalist whose life is forever intertwined with Clark Kent's and we've been shown, shown, not told, her development and the right she's earned to be called a journalist. This DS replacement is completely superfluous. She's superfLOIS. It's awful, terrible, hacky storytelling. I am possibly at the end of my rope.

They have to mean that sarcastically, right? As in, EDLois gives Clark advice on how to be a REAL journalist, hee hee, snicker snicker? If not, I agree. All other issues aside, EDLois doesn't have the experience or the credentials to be teaching anyone about journalism. Chloe as Clark's mentor, I could accept easily enough. But EDLois is just a cub reporter at the Planet, with less than a year's experience with that newspaper (which has been corrupted by Luthor interference, and is no longer the august and respected paper it once was). As far as we've seen onscreen, she hasn't even published anything. She's not qualified to be either Clark's boss or his mentor.

Well , all I can say is if Clark is going to be mentored by Lois then they will have to lower his IQ considerably. What is the IQ term for "lower than dumb"? Is there a "lower than dumb category"? Hee,hee

In truth, Nois is not even qualified to be working at the DP, unless of course one considers "humping the boss" a qualification. Is it yet another lightswitch for Nois of being instantly competent, after watching years onscreen establishing she is not?

I wish I could say the same. ED's pimping, the iconic bullshit and now the EPs taking extra time to pimp the iconic bullshit some more, including how Clark is taught by Nois, the tabloid hack on how to be a real, honest-to-goodness journalist?

I feel like I'm choking on shite from this show and sadly, not even Davis and Chloe can change that.

I was a pretty harsh critic of the Doomsday / Doomtender / DMT idea when I first heard about it. But that... that looks pretty cool."Step one, Kent: Bang your boss."
"Already on it. I -"
"Lex is gone, Kent."
"Damnit!"

Huh. Doomsday looks like Voldemort.

A Wizard really did do it.

LOL. Another instant RepairmanBob classic!

Don't worry smallville, I'm your boss.
Huh, in that case can we go straight to step 3
You know, a steak, a murder and the rest is history.

Teh pretty trumps any other consideration . . every time. A bunch of us are hanging in there for "Fringe" because we get to see Pacey all slimmed down and dressed up.

*shallow mode . . it's a good thing*

Utter and complete bullshit.

Thank you for confirming what I already thought, PS3.

Absolutely. We got through S6, and I'm pretty sure that's the only reason why. Well, other than the fact that we're all masochists and that we're frustratingly addicted to the damn show. Anyway, like I was saying, shallow = good, because it overcomes pretty much anything they can throw our way.

That Doomsday transformation thing looks pretty creepy. Is that really Witwer? It looks nothing like him, which I'm guessing is a very good thing.

I still can't take this seriously, or get too worked up about it. From Omar's interview with Brian Peterson:



I'm expecting EDLois to be played for laughs here, full of her own self-importance and not nearly as competent and talented as she thinks she is. Comic relief is how they've played her all this time, after all. And even for a lightswitch, a wet-behind-the-ears DP reporter teaching Clark to be a "real" journalist, when he's been mentored by Chloe all these years, seems pretty unbelievable. We'll see, of course. "Plastique" should give us a pretty clear impression of whether EDLois is "advising" Clark in the serious sense or the ha-ha, she's trying to edit his work and she can't spell! sense.

My speculation on Plastique is that Clark finds out about the Chimmy engagement and he sort of out of sorts over it, knowing Jimmy's involvement with Chloe's kidnapping. He pokes Nois more than usual to compensate.

Also, since we know that this is Clark's first day at the Planet, I expect him to develop that epic crush that involves a certain journalist.

What I really, really want is someone to diss Chloe's engagement ring.

Yeah, I'm mean spirited enough that I'm kind of looking forward to "The Mento becomes the Manatee" (tm Tracy Jordan - 30 Rock) silly advice dynamic of it all.

The episode that I'm dying to see is "Instinct". I just want to see Clark's reaction when he read the famous letter. I hope the writers will give it the importance it requires and not discarded in 1 minute. I've been waiting seven years for this... I hope not to be disappointed.

Well, as I was reading through Omar's interview looking for that Michael Scott quote, I also came across this, which I had forgotten:



Emphasis mine. Earlier in the summer they were talking about one episode, so it's nice that they're at least talking about a little more than that now. Of course, if they're bringing it up to discard it, I will still be ticked. After that hug in the season premiere, I'm more convinced than ever that "Chloe and Clark belong together and that they love each other." YMMV, of course;-).

Tell me about it Elly!!! I'm really excited to know that the writers will finally take the time to explore the Chlark relationship in more than one episode (about time!). The only thing I'm afraid is to see another WTF moment (a ala Labyrinth) with Chloe telling Clark that she is not in love with him anymore, that the love of her life is Jimmy....if that happens I swear I will stop watching!!!

I also think it will be played for laughs. Nois is an idiot. Everyone knows it but her. YMMV.

Oh me too. And the way they finished each others sentences, it's like they were never apart.

As other have pointed I'm curious what the JL think they're going to do with Lex if they find him.

TPTB have said they'd like to have Zatana. If they by some miracle got MR to come back for an episode or two I wonder if they'd pull an Identity Crisis on Lex. DC canon supports GA, Flash, and BC joining Zatana in mind wiping villains who discovered secret identities.

nothing here..wrong thread...bad habits die hard. ;)

I don't know. I'd rather it remain a constant undercurrent between them on the show until it's ready to be dealt with properly in a few episodes rather than it be brought up and dealt with in a few episodes and then forgotten in some haphazard manner - their relationship is worth more than that. I don't want to see Clark jumping from contrived kiss to contrived kiss through the episodes, only to take a breath and profess that his feelings have changed, and while Chloe takes the time to dump the weasel that is Jimmy, he goes back to more contrived nonsense kisses with Lana, Nois and whatever other intergalactic Queen decides she must come to earth with her kiss of death before he returns to Chloe.

I don't like the prospect of manWhore!Clark anymore that I like the prospect of Chloe doing the same thing with Doomie - I don't trust these writers not to make both look like jerks when they end up in more contrived Kiss of Death, Electric Chair Truth-Telling Device Episodes.

I completely agree. Also BP said they were taking episodes to "explore" that, which sounds very promising and open-ended. I would be worried if he said, "settle" or "deal with" that.



I'm not *really* afraid of this, mostly because the proposal acceptance was made of such fail. They are totally NOT on the same page. She had to convince him to un-retract his proposal, then basically stated that she's (attempting to) let go of things from her past so she can appreciate the relationship. Contrast that with the Chlark scenes and "I've been waiting for you!", I don't believe for one second that Chloe's over Clark and madly in love with Jimmy.

I'm going to vote for a freaking awesome proposal from clark to Chlois by the end of the show to make up for this crapola like this from Chimmy :)

I think it's more so considering they reunite there. No, warm "OMG Clark you're back!" Or "Missed you Smallville" and the banter to keep hide the fact Lois has a soft side IMHO would have made sense, but in the episode, they basically down right dislike each other.


Agreed, I mean, if this is the season of Clois, why explore a relationship between Clark and Lois's cousin?

I don't know about that. I still see Clark as mostly indifferent to her; she's basically someone he knows. He feels comfortable enough to joke with her but that's basically it.

Lois, OTOH, treats Clark the same way she treats everyone else, by denigrating them for no clear reason. With the exception of Chloe, it seems as though anytime she encounters another person her first action is to ridicule them, who they are and what they do. But when she does it, it doesn't seem like she's doing it with fun in her heart, but hatred or disgust at the other people. Her tone has this "Yeah! I showed them because I'm super awesome! I don't have time for this zero!" quality about it that's very grating. She has such an undeserved superiority complex that is so bad it makes her blind whenever people insult her. I wouldn't be surprised if her inner monologue after being mocked was "That insult was so lame and totally off the mark. They only reason they said it was because they were jealous with how I totally pwned their ass with my uber wordage skills."

Really? I think, after Chloe, Lois is Clark's next best friend. Honestly. Clark really only has three friends right now; Chloe, Lois and Ollie. He's not there yet with Jimmy.

But I think they're both in each other's best friend column. They've been "official" friends since Lucy, Jonathan called Lois one of Clark's best friends in Exposed, and Oliver called Clark one of Lois' best friends in Arrow. Personally, I don't need characters to point it out to me, because I can see it, but the show clearly defines them as such. YMMV.

Maybe indifferent was a bad word, but I can't really explain how I think he feels about her. I just don't think he cares about her in the same way he does Chloe, Lana, Pete, Oliver, etc. I still see Clark as seeing her as "a friend of a friend" rather than a genuine friend. I think he feels comfortable around her but I don't see him losing any sleep if she decided to move out of state.

I think last season really hurt their relationship when they barely got any screentime together. The crying moments and the AU moments didn't sell me on them being good friends.

I see it more as he tolerates her. Their relationship is very sibling-like. I can see my younger brother making the chair squeak to get a rise out of me. That's basically what Clark does to Nois.

I find that Nois treats Clark like she would anyone she's just met (e.g. Tess). She's on the defensive right away and ridicules them. The problem, however, is that Nois has known Clark for 4 years now. She can't treat him like she doesn't know him and still be considered a friend. It's one or the other. YMMV.

I tend to agree, but what little they did have last year was a big step forward. We've never, ever seen them open up and cry in front of each other. The Three Strategically Placed Hugs, as I call them, occur in the very first episode of the season, the exact middle of the season, and the very last episode of the season. The first one is consolation of Lana, the second is consolation of Oliver, and the last one goes back to consolation of Lana. They're much closer than they've ever been, physically and emotionally. Hugging and crying? We don't get that much on the show between too many people. They were going to miss each other in Kara when Clark decided to leave SV, and that moment only happened because Clark decided to go with Lois that day to the woods. They're hanging out like friends, going for a drink in Apocalypse.

Maybe I'm just seeing it through my set of eyes, but I think their friendship is deep yet balanced.

Responded to a couple of different things in the Chlois thread.

IIRC, Chlark had hugged quite a number of times in S7, and Chloe did cry in bizarro and then she saw Clark hurt and they hugged each other. So if Clois have gotten closer because of 3 damn scenes, then Chlark must be freaking married.

I disagree, unless lack of development and lightswitch is considered a step forward.


This I also disagree. If not brother/sister friendship then Clois share a "Friend of a friend" type of friendship and I don't think Clois is all that close.

That would make a really interesting episode. If they had the ability to, I don't doubt that Oliver at least would be behind a mind wipe; I really can't think of what else they actually plan on doing to Lex if/when they find him. I am rabidly against the idea of a Lex mindwipe (or an anyone mind-wipe, but especially Lex), and I'm sure they'd mangle the moral implications of it, as always.

IA. The way Clois interact reminds me of sort of how you'd interact with a coworker or a sort of distant cousin. There's something connecting you and you like each other well enough, but beyond that, the only bond there is is based off moments, like their three hugs last season. That's enough to firmly place you in the "friend" column, but there's no close emotional bond. When you're physically close, you're "close," but when separated, it's kind of just a "Oh, yeah, that person...." YMMV.

I do wonder how much this will change over the course of the season, if at all. From what people have said in interviews (ED saying Lois is oh-so in love with Clark aside), it seems like this joking, condescending type of relationship is going to continue. I really don't enjoy it, but from all we've heard, it seems like they're keeping it "funny" (except for the anvils they're going to drop on our heads).

RE title for episode 10: Hahahahaha! Oh, show, you kill me.

No, really you do.

Wow. Just, wow.

So does this mean Chloe might actually go through with it?

Maybe episode 12 can be called Divorcee. Or better yet, Widow.

No, it means the episode is centered around the Bride.

Promise was focused on the wedding. Bride the focus is on the Bride.

So it seems like Odyssey's second half. It was all about saving Chloe at the second half despite not that many scenes. So we'll see everyone revolving around Chloe really, despite not really being Chloe centric.

If the episode was called "Spouse" then it would mean something happens AFTER they got married.

Knit Chloe knit! Unravel Chloe, unravel! Now, knit some more...

Uh...massacre at wedding is reminding me of slaughter of suitors. It's making me a bit uncomfortable.

You're right. Maybe episode 12 will be Spouse and 13 will be Divorcee/Widow. Hee.

ETA: Too bad they couldn't get their Jimmy centric episode over with early and call it Groom.