ITA. Also, ICONIC! is like the new general's daughter or pancaked parents and should be read with the same amount of ironic vitriol.

A bit of friendly advice for my fellow TWOPers: if anyone was looking for someone to address the ABSOLUTELY! Clois scene of last season, in regards to Chloe loosing her job-don't bet on it. Get that thought out of your mind right now.

Based on very recent spoilers and the overall tone of what I'm hearing, I predict:

1) We will see absolutely no demonstration of how Chloe loosing her deam job at the hand of Lex will affect her (if at all)

2) Instead, Chloe will be happy that everyone else(Lois, Clark & Jimmy) has a job at the place that she wanted to work since she was 14-15.

3) This happiness will include pumping everyone else's ego and supporting everyone else as they have candle lit diners for themselves about publishing articles

4) We will not know what Chloe is doing to get money considering she is unemployed (and does not have a sugah daddie! in Lex or any other rich man)

5) Clark (or Lois or Jimmy) won't even mention that it's unfortunate that Chloe got fired..because...why would they?

6) The new situation is soo mythos-nothing else matters.

Actually, I bet the ISIS foundation is paying her. I have no idea what Isis does or where it's getting it's money (coz with all that equipment and experts, I'm betting that $10 mil is gooooone) or how Chloe is keeping control with Lana AWOL yet awake, but I think that's what we're supposed to believe.

That or Lex is her Offscreeville sugah daddie and she has Davis on the side. I'm ignoring Jimmy, coz go Chloom!

Well if it doesnt bother Chloe that she was fired, why should it bother anyone else?

It's called a lightswitch. She was doing everything in her power to keep working at the DP (including majoring in journalism at Met U). It's been shown time and again that this is her dream. Pete even mentioned it in "Hero". And Chloe was livid at Lex when he fired her. Now suddenly she doesn't care? Why? Because it's not ICONIC for her to care? BS. YMMV.

Right, just like if it doesn't bother Clark to date a woman as eager to kill for vengance as Lana, it shouldn't bother us.

The Canadian trailer for "Odyssey" is up on YouTube. New scenes include GA and BC beating up some bad guys, Tess saying she's now acting CEO of LuthorCorp and all its subsidiaries, a shot of Martian Manhunter, Chloe running through some corridor and then her crying over a bleeding Clark.

Regarding the previous page - this thread is about Smallville speculation, not about your fellow posters. Knock it off.

I don't really understand why the comparison is mocked. IIRC Thomas was always at least one step if not three ahead of Vicki. She never had a thing on him he didn't want her to have and just like Lois' "handing over of evidence" Vicki wasn't coy about her investigation. IMO the reference is appropriate -- it was very Thomas Crown Affair. About the thing missing was a sexual relationship. In fact Lois seemed to get under Lex's skin more than Vicki ever did Thomas'. Thomas completely and totally played Vicki.


I disagree. There was a battle. Lex won handily with relative ease, just like Thomas Crown. ED's comments may have lead fans to believe Lois might out maneuver Lex but IIRC ED never said Lois would win the battle. They did throw in enough dialog to imply Lex viewed Lois dangerous enough to expend energy pro-actively thwarting her.


True. I'm surprised it isn't hasn't been relegated to spoiler tags yet.

There's a shot of Kara imprisoned in the (gateway) to the Phantom Zone in the Space trailer.

Did no-one tell the Canadians that they axed the character, and there'll be no resolution to that storyline in the premiere?

Hey, LV is a Canuck so we gotta give homegirl a prominent place, even if she's not a regular!

Taking to all seasons thread.

That's not as bad as the SunTV trailer. (SunTV is the basic cable station replacing A-Channel for airing SV in Canada). It's a combined SV/Supernatural promo and it uses all old footage. Not a single shot from the new season of either show. AND Kara is featured predominantly, even more than Clark. Tons of shots of her. One or two of Lex as well.

Space (a premium cable channel, like America's Sci-Fi) is awesome with promotion.

Chlarkolate,

I haven't seen either the Sun or the Space ones yet and I keep looking for them. What's interesting for me is that SunTV is not basic cable for me (in London). When they moved VM to it, I had to upgrade to the ditigal box to get it. So depending on how many people have one in my area, they will probably have lost at least some viewers.

Thinking of how Lois -- and Clark, for that matter -- are able to enter the ranks of the DP with ease, I saw this on Masterpiece Theater last night. Just thought it was a fun parallel:

Publisher: “I got Melissa on the re-bound, and I was still the luckiest man in the world. Fun, smart, and beautiful. . . .Truth is, I don’t think she loved me on the day we got married. But I told her love can grow. And it has.”

Detective Inspector Lynley: “Plus, she got to be editor of a national newspaper, of course.”

Publisher: “She was always very honest to me about her ambition and drive.”

Lynley: “Must have stuck in some people’s throats . . . you parachuting her in like that to the top job.”

Publisher: “Newsrooms are shark pools. It’s not so much sink or swim, but swim or get chewed to death by 11:30. If Melissa couldn’t hack it, me being the owner of the paper wouldn’t mean anything.”

pyralis, I could have sworn somebody posted a link in this very thread with the Space trailer but now I can't find it. Anyway, the link was for YouTube so it should be there now.

This is a speculation about the Chimmy wedding and I do think that Chimmy wedding is not really a spoiler. They pretty well have annouced to the world that Chimmy wedding will happen. I originally posted this in the spoiler thread--but I think it belongs here:

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There is one scene in Promise that I do actually remember. The others I've pretty-well blocked in my head. When Clark rescues Chloe from the cellar's refrigerator, Chloe tells Clark to step up and interfere with Lex/Lana's nuptials, because "You're my hero".

What, you're not gonna rush in and save the day?

I have to wonder if this conversation will be revisited in e10 or Chimmy wedding episode. Chloe has told Clark what he needs to do to act on his feelings. Lana witnessed the entire thing, so, Lana were to approach Clark about "being the hero" and saving Chloe from "a loveless marriage", Lana also reveals her subterfuge to Clark.

For Lana to do something like this wouldn't fix the mess that is Lana for me, but I do think it would help exit her character a little better from the show.

It's just a thought.

I really hope that Lana fesses up to the whole wine cellar incident, and a revisitation of this convo would be interesting, but I don't think we're going to get it, cos of the differences between Jimmy and Lex. Chloe was just coming off of being tortured by Lex, so she had a bigger reason to expect Clark to save Lana. I think Chimmy would be a loveless (and really fucking boring) marriage, but not as dangerous as being married to crazypants Lex, so I'm not sure if Lana would be so hot to urge Clark to interfere. If she does, it will be more along the lines of, "Chloe has been in love with you as long as I've known her. If you feel the same way too, you need to tell her so she won't make this mistake." That would endear Lana to me, but I think she's too self-absorbed to actually do this.

I see this too, but parts of me want the exact parallels.

I do wonder what Lana's role is going to be when she returns. I do not want Clana crap, anything else would be better.

I suspect we will not see much of a plot connected to Lana in the wedding episode. The why of her return likely won't be delt with until the show returns in the Spring after Reaper has had its season.

Speaking of Reaper's season, anyone know if they will run a full 22 episodes? If that's the case, Smallville won't be back until around April or May!

I think it was only picked up for a half season, so I'm guessing 13 episodes.

I'd love it if Lana said something to Clark, not remembering where she heard it, and Clark would figure it out. Esp, if they have him know that she had Chloe's fever letter for years. Can't blame either of those things on Lex.

No, Smallville still gets its fulll 22. If it ends around the third week of May, with 12 episodes to run through, it would have to start back up the first week of March.

I think Lana is actually salvageable. If she comes back, having figured out her pattern (always in a relatuionship, defining herself by whoever she's with), and says no to more Clana based on that, I could have respect for her. Her tearily giving Clark up so the world could have him gave her no points in my eyes. If she were to have honestly said that Clark needs to find out who he is and she does, too, it might have been different for me. We all know his dream of a life with Lana was holding Clark back. The show acknowledged that she knew on some level, but turning her into a martyr when it doesn't fit the story was, IMO, a lightswitch. I wanted to see her acknowledge that it wasn't good for her, either. That she couldn't hack it. that she wasn't the one. I'd like to see a self-possessed (and I suspect it will be a short-haired) Lana come back and be honest, not only about how Clana held Clark back, but about how it held her back. A Lana who chooses to be single for a change.

Instinct official description Here

Thanks CityLife.



OMG. ROFLMAO.

The Kiss of Death. (I thought that's what Erica did this week by declaring herself the winner of the show? )

There's just so much bad in this summary. SO MUCH BAD.

I'd vote for Jimmy dying horribly, but Chloe will probably save him somehow - I don't know how, it's not like logic works on this show. Most probably? Someone will freaking interrupt her. Pity, Jimmy would die with a smile on his face then.

Ohh, can Chloe save him? Can he be more pathethic than he already is? Pwweaaase?

ETA: who wants to call the convo between Clark and Maxima about soulmates, how what she thought she wanted, isn't really her soulmate blah di blah di blah. Maybe Nois will be lying conscious between them and then it'll be an anvil for the epic, icnoic relationship of iconic-ness they're having this season and will go on to have in the future in Offscreenville.

Oh, and the Fever Letter gets mired in this crap? Great. Fantastic. *rolls eyes* Obviously it would have pained them to not have Clark snogging some intergalactic Queen when he rediscovers it? Oh, maybe if we're lucky everyone will comment on her wonderful complexion, and Nois' of course. Just so we know Chloe is ugly.

Yeah, yeah, I get the whole Cinderella bit. Problem is, I have no goodwill left for nonsense, not after this week of interviews about the Icons of Iconisity that Nois and Clark will become by the end of the series. *rolls eyes*

No, my guess Chloe will interrupt the Maximmy kiss. Maxima will be upset leaves. Rebound with Clark, who isn't interested. I bet it's Maxima who finds the Fever letter to end Chlimmy so Maxima can have Jimmy.

That description is ten pounds of suck in a five pound bag. Between the Kiss of Death, soulmates and the Fever letter, I forecast a 100% chance of falling anvils, with occasional bouts of whining tears from Jimmy.

At least Tess is up to something evil.

Is this another beauty that wants Jimmy? What the heck?

He's suffering from Lanaitis...or rather has the meteor Power of Lanaitis.



Nicely put. I can't believe they doing ManWhore!Clark with the Fever Letter. Big fat EWWW!!

It's like they're waving a red flag to Chlarkers & Chloisers, only to snag it away with ManWhore!Clark & Jimmy with his Power of Lanaitis. It's great really. Another woman who wants the guys who love/will love Chloe.

Really, thanks for another reminder of Nois Iconic SWF-ing.

The thing I like best about the Instinct (in my head I keep wanting to call the episode Maxima, am I the only one?) is how it implies that Jimmy's death is imminent.

Of course it also implies that Maxima would find Jimmy a worthy mate. Which she wouldn't. At all. She'd have killed him on sight.

Of course, the comics Maxima wasn't just looking for ANY man, like some intergalactic desperado, she wanted SUPERMAN because a) he'd impressed her with his powers and skill in battle, b) they were genetically compatible, and Maxima's intergalactic biological clock was ticking, and c) the royal family of Almerac is like a breeding program, always trying to add extra skills and powers to their line.

So that's one fucking big re-imagining of Maxima if Jimmy suddenly makes the grade.

I'll also be very pissed off if they 're-imagine' Maxima's physical powers (strength, speed, near-invulnerability - she can give Superman a run for his money) and make her just a seductress. Because hey, she's a woman right? Women are only good for seducing men! They can't be as strong as them!

And only girls with model good looks, or huge boobs, are suitable as love interests, right PS3?! That silly Chloe, thinking she could ever be worthy of someone like Clark.

Hmm. Sorry. My bitterness got away from me for a second.

So this is the part of the episode I'm going to care about, and the rest of it will be Jimmy Don Juan?

Oh, yeah, fever letter. I care about that too.

Guh. Or maybe not.

I actually liked Jimmy in "Odyssey" and hope it was a sign of his improved characterization for Season 8. But, I agree that there must be a reason why Maxima goes for him. I was thinking it was because, with Clark and Jimmy working in close proximity now, maybe Maxima's gets a "sense" of Clark, but with so many people around (maybe the DP or on the streets of Metropolis), she zeroes in on Jimmy first, but it's really Clark (maybe obscured by a car or cabinet) that she's after. :)

I admit I love the cheese. And I love the idea of teasing Jimmy death. I'm a little disturbed by the notion that Maxima might actually kill him and Chloe raise him. I really don't think the writers are that mean, but they are kind of mean.


Stop hurting my brain. Or is this hilarious? So hard to tell.


Well, they have to parallel the Clana so...

I for one would accept this explanation.

It might be amusing if Clark walked in on the Maximmy kiss. I could see a combination of comedic surprise and anger, and that would give Maxima a reason to break off the kiss before it kills Jimmy, if she senses that it's Clark she was after.

I liked Jimmy in "Odyssey" because he was only in like 30 seconds. They had to be Chimmy seconds though.

I'll like this if only we see some Clark TINY BLOND (TM RepairmanBob) moments.

They could always wear rubber lips, one of the stupider concepts from Batman + Robin.

That is exactly what I was envisioning, actually. But it's probably just wishful thinking. *sigh*

Honestly, I doubt Jimmy plays a major role in the Maxima plot. She'll move on to Clark early enough, which is where Lois comes in. I think Jimmy's time is going to be taken up more with Chloe and the FL than anything else.

I have a feeling Instinct is all about Chlarkimmy and Maxima since both Clark and Jimmy discover the Fever Letter and some Lois on the side.

I'm so confused. Would this be better or worse than Jimmy Pimp Ass Playa?

I would LMAO eve more if Maxima was interested in Jimmy simply because he was the first man she saw.



Quite possible.

I wonder if Lois is going to experience "heartache" here too?

The way ED tells it every scene with Clark is an iconic look into her heartache and pining for him this season. So if you believe her, the Fever Letter is probably about her heartache about waiting for Clark to fly back to her to even though she didn't know him and Chloe was the one that wrote the letter for Clark.

She's just Chloe. She doesn't matter next to the awesome iconic-ness around her.

So this isn't speculation, per se, since we know they're not going to find Lex (barring MR deciding to return), but I am wondering if it's going to come up with this season's overarching mission being "find Lex!"

What exactly is the JL/Clark planning to do with Lex if they find him? Hold him captive forever? Kill him? Wipe his memory using some sort of Queen Industries super drug or weird alien tech? None of those work as actions for heroes (IMO), but they clearly want to find him. So... what's the plan? I'd like to see this addressed.

I don't think there is one.

I'm assuming they're setting up a season with the idea that they're going to get MR back eventually. When he says no, I'm assuming there'll be another craptastic Episode of Forgetting where they'll undo everything they've set up, and pretend words like "epic" and "iconic" will make people forget how much they fucked up this season.

Chloe will be the first one to get fucked over when the intrepidness of Nois gets her killed or some such nonsense.

Maybe the plan is find him, discover what he is up to and stop him. If Lex knows that Clark is an alien, and he failed to kill him, who knows what evil scheme...

That's all I got.

One interesting thing to note. Given all the Iconic Clois remarks over the last few months you would think that the trailer for "Plastique" would be promoting the hell out of Clark and EDLois together at the DP. But yet the trailer didn't show jack squat when it came to that and that is pretty strange to me because you would think they would.

Pre-secret I'd say bring him to justice, prison, tribunal, whatever. Post-him knowing the secret....even if he says he won't tell the world (and I don't believe he'd tell the world) I think they might give him one in the back of his head.

There is a promo that actually shows a glimpse of them at the DP. Here is the youtube link However, I've never seen it aired on the CW.

That's a general season 8 promo, though, not the "Plastique" trailer. I think Old Juan is right, and that it's very interesting that they're downplaying "Clark and Lois at the Daily Planet" in their promotion now, when they pimped it so much earlier. Perhaps it's dawning on them that this is not the best way to promote the show. I hope so.

Hm. That is an interesting though considering the Epic Pimping of Iconicness that was going on and since this was supposed to be Clark's first appearance in the DP. You'd think they'd send out a tease since it's supposed to win over viewers and all to the Iconicville shite they're pimping.

Small mercies, I guess. It's one less scene to look for on youtube because I can't watch this episode knows those crappy Icons of Iconisity scenes are coming with Clark and Nois.

Plastique was No 1 on my list of episodes to Noiscott from the first 10. Though to be fair, they're all on my list of episodes to Noiscott. Youtube makes everything better. It's like an Ignore function for the show, come to think of it. Just pretend nothing else exists but Chlark and Chlois.