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CantThinkUpName
Not everything that comes out of TPTB's mouth is made into a huge deal in the actual episodes that air, but YMMV.
I completely agree. An entire tome could probably be made of dropped plotlines TPTB said they would do throughout the seasons. We don't know if ED is basing this on the scripts or what the producers have told her. If it's the latter, it can go any way or noway at all. Honestly, I can imagine them telling her that "this season you're going to fall for Clark" and we see nothing of the kind on screen. And it's up to whether there's a season 9 or the end of the season to see how they decide to play it out, if at all.
Alottapmk
Erica didn't say the Thown Crown Affair thing. I thought the old producers said that., though i could be wrong.

BTW, I am sure its easier for the actors to see where the story is going considering they have the full scripts at hand.
CantThinkUpName
BTW, I am sure its easier for the actors to see where the story is going considering they have the full scripts at hand.
Ask MR and JM.
Massena1
real time - Thank you for the reminder about her "battle of wits" or was it "intellectual battle" comment. I had forgotten about it. It's been about a year, but I still find it laugh out loud hilarious.

Maybe she doesn't think it's a big deal that Nois got hired because the boss wanted to bang her ("She wants the job so....") or that she slept with him, took perks from him she didn't deserve and lied to Chloe about it all, but paid no price for it. Maybe she doesn't care that Nois failed to complete high school, let Lex pull strings to get her into Met U and got kicked out for drinking on campus. And maybe she doesn't see that Nois is basically a dumbshit. Maybe she lies to herself and thinks she's playing a great feminist role model. I think that's entirely possible.
sita102
Erica didn't say the Thown Crown Affair thing. I thought the old producers said that., though i could be wrong.


I think she did at Comic Con last year.

Exactly; I've heard for years that it was over, it did it's part, no one remembers it but Chlarkers and especially Chloisers. All they will do is serve to remind everyone about that letter, what it actually says, and what the triangle it centered around actually was.


Yeah, for all the dismissing they do of Chlois, they are briniging back something that serves to remind fans of Chloe's feelings for Clark and a big Chloisy point for it. I don't see how they can spend all this time bringing it back and not do anything about it. It sounds, in a way, like they're ready to tie up the show by having Clark fly back to Chloe.

"Lois does have to confront her breakup with Oliver, and they do have a few storylines together, but from what I've seen they're not getting back together in the near future."


She sounds like she really wants to downplay her character's involvement with Oliver here. I don't see how unemotional she can eb at a point considering the spoilers for ep 8-03. Her behaviour in there towards Oliver doesn't strike me as something someone will do when she wants to reaffirm her belief that she was right to be selfish and want to break-up with him because he coudn't put her first...sorry about the vaguness, I didn't think any more details about the ep belonged here.

"She wants the job so...


Yeah, I remember that from a party she went to, I think. She was very dismissive of the whole thing like it didn't matter to her how Lois got the job.

A lot of viewers may not even recall it. By exhuming it and bringing it back into the light, all they're accomplishing is to remind us that Clark has a long, complex relationship with Chloe, and that Chlark's lives have been closely intertwined for virtually the whole series.


That's what kind of makes me laugh - for all the ignoring they do of Chloe in interviews, and the constant talking up of "Lois and Clark", for the Smallville universe, they're bringing back something with far more "iconic" importance than the names "Lois and Clark".
pyralis
If the letter was being brought up to render obsolete one of the major strongholds in the Chlois/Chlark theory, it would have to be made crystal clear that feelings on both ends have become platonic--for Clark, to confirm that he feels nothing for Chloe despite his perceived intimacy with her over the past fews years and to put to rest the possibility that he has feelings for her, and for Chloe, to confirm that she has totally moved on from that S2 mindset and is truly devoted to Jimmy, and especially to remind us that Chloe's totally over Clark so that Nois can feel free to move in without viewers questioning her loyalties

This perfectly articulates my fear about what this season is going to bring. I'm convinced that PS3 believe that they're writing a witty and ironic take on the ICONIC and are going to use this season to shuffle the pieces into place while totally ignoring anything that smacks of coherence, character development or previous continuity. I can't even buy into the wacky implausible retcons the way I did for Monday night's PB. (Of course it was completely stupid, but I had a good time with the stupid). I think I let myself care about some of these characters too much.
Fos32
That's what kind of makes me laugh - for all the ignoring they do of Chloe in interviews, and the constant talking up of "Lois and Clark", for the Smallville universe, they're bringing back something with far more "iconic" importance than the names "Lois and Clark".


I think that's yet to be determined. IMO, it's hard for me to place a significant amount of importance on a letter that was talked about once and never brought up again for six years. I mean, if that's important then what has Clana been for the past six years? Now, TPTB may be bringing the letter back, but as far as importance goes, that letter is going to have to significantly change things between Clark and Chloe for me to place more importance on it currently. If it's talked about in one episode and then gone from the show again after that, that's not going to cut it for me. YMMV.
acampbell
One small thing I'm hoping for ridiculously is that Lana will return sporting KK's recent short 'do. IMO, it would be a wonderful "shorthand" method for clueing Clark into the fact that a) she's not the girl he's (thought he) loved all these years, and b)she's moved on and it's time for him to as well. I love long hair but I think Lana's has run its course and it's time for a change!
Memphis1
What happens if Clark or Chloe revisits their feelings in Instinct, but in Committed decide they are better off as friends. Why would Clark, Chloe, or PS3 be wrong if that happens. That's actually exactly what I think will happen. I think we are looking at a two episode storyline. I know a lot of people were speculating that Chloe would be involved in something with Clark and Lana would interrupt it, but we now have three sources either hinting or outright saying that it will be Lois. At the end of Committed, I think Chloe will have committed herself to Jimmy. I don't think even with the Fever letter resurfacing that Clark is going to fall in love with Chloe to the point that he is going to try and stop her wedding. Nor do I think after affirming Jimmy in Committed, which I expect to happen, Chloe is then going to run to Clark and leave Jimmy hanging out there. Chloe has never been written that way.
Massena1
The thing is the Fever letter isn't about being just friends. It's about love and growing into someone who is so special that they are worth the wait. Chloisers talk about it so much due to the disguise aspect, that I bet a lot of us can recite it by memory by now. I'll give it a try.

"I want to let you in on a secret. I am not who you think I am. In fact, my disguise is so thin I'm surprised you haven't seen right through me. I'm the girl of your dreams masquerading as your best friend. Sometimes I want to pull off this facade, but I can't because you'll get scared and run away again like you did at Spring formal. So, I've decided it's better to live with the lie than expose my true feelings.

My Dad told me there are two types of girls: the ones you grow out of and the ones you grow into. I really hope I am the latter. I may not be the one you love today, but I will let you go for now hoping someday you will fly back to me, because I think you're worth the wait."


You know how if you want to get back with your ex, the best way to get on their good side is to play "your song" or remind them of your good memories in some other way? That could be the point of bringing up the Fever Letter. They want to get back the people those nearly 2,000 Chlarkers (46%) who have stopped caring about SV enough to participate in fandom represent. After 7 + seasons of treating Chloe fans like crap, now they decide they might need them.
Nat0117
What happens if Clark or Chloe revisits their feelings in Instinct, but in Committed decide they are better off as friends. Why would Clark, Chloe, or PS3 be wrong if that happens. That's actually exactly what I think will happen. I think we are looking at a two episode storyline.

But what's the point? There hasn't been Chlark angst since S4. Maybe S6, if you count Clark's discomfort at Chimmy's relationship. I understand that there was supposed to be some in mid-S6 also, but that was derailed by the Lexana train. WHY bring that up now?! If Clois is endgame, whywhywhy drag old Chlark history up again? Just to get people excited and then kick them in the teeth again? Chloe loves Clark. This has been said time and again, both by the actors, the character, the producers, etc. She's not going to suddenly decide that she doesn't (not according to my opinion, but according to everyone involved in the show). So what can come of this? Clark deciding that he loves Chloe, but that he can deal with that and let her go? So he can be with Nois? Clark telling Chloe that he thought he might have feelings, but he really doesn't and then let create more one-sided angst? That'll make Nois look even worse, IMO. It won't pave the way for Clois.

we now have three sources either hinting or outright saying that it will be Lois.

Not really. What we have is a ambiguous talk of things getting dicey for Clark when Lana shows up, that Clark WON'T be making out with Nois when she does (and that the statement is "close," which says to me not that Clois'll be about to kiss, but that it'll be Chloe that he's with), and that Nois will experience heartache and the triangle will be revisted "again." The only triangle that Clark has been in is Chlark and Lexanark (is that the right amalgamation?). Since Lex isn't around anymore, I can only insinuate that ED was referring to Chlark. And I think Nois' heartache will come from seeing her cousin devastated at Lana's return after Nois convinced her to be honest with Clark about her feelings. YMMV obviously, but that's just my own take.
realtime
I think the writers/producers would be exceedingly stupid by bringing up the fever letter to justify Clois. Seriously, they know Chloe is an online favourite, granted how many of them are Chlarkers is debateable, but just mentioning the letter without acting out the intent would upset quite a few Chloe fans. I am not sure that they can afford that.

All they could do was have Chloe almost marry Jimmy and hey even have George appear, a small cameo would do surely.
smiling sarah
What happens if Clark or Chloe revisits their feelings in Instinct, but in Committed decide they are better off as friends. Why would Clark, Chloe, or PS3 be wrong if that happens. That's actually exactly what I think will happen. I think we are looking at a two episode storyline. I know a lot of people were speculating that Chloe would be involved in something with Clark and Lana would interrupt it, but we now have three sources either hinting or outright saying that it will be Lois. At the end of Committed, I think Chloe will have committed herself to Jimmy. I don't think even with the Fever letter resurfacing that Clark is going to fall in love with Chloe to the point that he is going to try and stop her wedding. Nor do I think after affirming Jimmy in Committed, which I expect to happen, Chloe is then going to run to Clark and leave Jimmy hanging out there. Chloe has never been written that way.
To your last sentence...Exactly. That's why I think the wedding will be interrupted by what's going to take place there. Your last sentence is what Smallville does, imo. It compares other women in Clark's life to Chloe....primarily Lana in the ship dept. and Nois in the professional arena. The show will give Chloe a break in the wedding episode because they will have made their point about Chloe and that being that Chloe is faithful in ways that Lana isn't and would never be. I seriously doubt that Chloe will marry Jimmy. Ever.

I don't have a problem with Chloe being shown faithful to commitments that she has obligated herself to, but I don't expect the show to have her go through with a horribly mismatched relationship to the extent that she marries the wrong man....thus the interruptions on the wedding day, imo. The entire point of introducing the letter to begin with imo would be to create inner conflict for the interested parties, namely Clark and Chloe. I expect for someone as faithful and strong of character as Chloe to stand by her word, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't hurt her on some level knowing that Clark is now seeing things in a different light after discovering the letter. If Chloe runs out on Jimmy before or during the wedding, then she best resembles Lana Lang, imo. That's why the disruption of the wedding day works beautifully because it works in a plot devicey way to stop this mistake. I don't expect for a moment for Chloe to simply brush the Fever letter off without a look back, because there's simply no drama to that event. I expect her to put Olsen's fears to rest after the letter is brought to her attention, but I expect her heart to ache on some level. So, I have to believe the point in bringing the letter to her attention isn't to squash it, but to hurt over it once those feelings are stirred again at a point that she knows Clark has feelings for her. The Chimmy is a set of handcuffs that I fully expect the show to break her out of on the wedding day.

By having Chloe stand firm on her wedding day, you get a very sharp contrast to Lana on her wedding day as she wrote her Dear Lex letter preparing to leave Lex at the alter to run away with Clark after she has discovered things about his powers after having imprisoned Chloe to bait Clark into tipping his hand. That's what Lana does, not Chloe. Lana was conflicted over Clark on her wedding day. I think Chloe will be as well, but Chloe gets the out after she has passed the test of character...she gets the bloody event that trashes the whole thing. Chloe will pass the test where Lana failed, imo. So, the show needs this bloody interruption on a dramatic level to provide Chloe the out, imo.

You know how if you want to get back with your ex, the best way to get on their good side is to play "your song" or remind them of your good memories in some other way? That could be the point of bringing up the Fever Letter.
Bingo.
Fos32
But what's the point? There hasn't been Chlark angst since S4. Maybe S6, if you count Clark's discomfort at Chimmy's relationship. I understand that there was supposed to be some in mid-S6 also, but that was derailed by the Lexana train. WHY bring that up now?!


I think that these questions can be asked for many things that TPTB do on Smallville. Sometimes, there isn't a point to the storylines that they create. They often create storylines to create meaningless drama for a particular episode or to satisfy a particular fan group, IMO. YMMV.

If Clois is endgame, whywhywhy drag old Chlark history up again? Just to get people excited and then kick them in the teeth again?


Or to finally put an end to all of the "Fever" letter talk. Despite the fact that it has never been mentioned on this show since season 2, it's still a fairly popular topic that fans talk about. If TPTB bring it back and show that Chloe's character has changed since the time she wrote that letter, which is the case considering the fact that she is about to marry Jimmy, and that Clark is not willing to give a relationship with Chloe a try, then that should end all of the speculation surrounding that letter. If it doesn't, then at least TPTB could say that the issue with the letter was specifically addressed on the show rather than being completely dropped after season 2.
acampbell
I think the writers/producers would be exceedingly stupid by bringing up the fever letter to justify Clois. Seriously, they know Chloe is an online favourite, granted how many of them are Chlarkers is debateable, but just mentioning the letter without acting out the intent would upset quite a few Chloe fans. I am not sure that they can afford that.


Exceedingly stupid? Yeah, but I wouldn't put it past them, as, curiously, their track record seems to show that they not only don't care about upsetting fans, but almost delight in it. But then, I'm a Clexer.
Nat0117
By having Chloe stand firm on her wedding day, you get a very sharp contrast to Lana on her wedding day as she wrote her Dear Lex letter preparing to leave Lex at the alter to run away with Clark after she has discovered things about his powers after having imprisoned Chloe to bait Clark into tipping his hand. That's what Lana does, not Chloe. Lana was conflicted over Clark on her wedding day. I think Chloe will be as well, but Chloe gets the out after she has passed the test of character...

Agreed. This is why I am counting on Lana's return as resurrecting the Chlark triangle. It brings us right back to the beginning, starting with the resurfacing of the "Fever" letter and ending with, at the wedding, a strong contrast between the girl that Clark grew out of and the one he grows into. This original triangle, IMO, is the pillar of Smallville history (the co-pillar having been the Clex relationship, which was more or less put to rest in "Arctic," albeit a shitty rest). Though many a character have come, gone, stayed, and strayed, Chloe, Clark and Lana started it all and it's my opinion that they will end it. I think that Nois is factoring in to satisfy the gimmicky aspect of the show, and add some comic relief in an anvilicious manner, but again, this is Smallville, not L&C, and PS3 have stated that it will be the same show it's always been.

This doesn't mean that Chloe is Lois Lane, or that Chlark are destined. This could very well be building to a finale that does pay homage to the show's history, doing all the things I suggested above, and still end with Chloe's death so that Clark will be free to be with Nois/iLL later. It would satisfy the show's history and still allow for a very tangential line-up with canon. I don't love it, but it's a hell of a lot better than a Chimmy ending. And it would allow Clark to use Chloe's death as the final impetus to embracing his destiny, which would monumentally increase Chloe's importance to the entire story.
Massena1
Nat - You're right. They've crapped on Chloe for 7 + seasons with no sign of letting up. The Fever Letter could just be another way of crapping on her and her fans to set up a miserable, unhappy ending for her so someone else can have happiness later. That would be perfectly consistent with everything they have ever done.
Chi Latte
ITA the letter is only being brought up to kill romantic Chlark, and maybe Chlois, dead.

The Fever Letter is being used as a device to bring the subject back up again so Clark and Chloe can both verbalise that they don't see each other in that way, call me cynical but I don't see it playing any other way. Chlark isn't end game and PS3 are using the letter to hammer that point home.
Memphis1
I think the Fever letter could very well be brought up for Closure, much like Rachel and Joey after much speculation prior finally decided to just be friends, which established Ross and Rachel as the couple to be. I don't think the show has existed to show Chloe has Clark's true love, now they may choose to take that path, but I don't think that's been the main point. While I do see the argument in the Fever letter, I don't think the existence of said letter or the following episodes and seasons has pointed to that at all. If anything Smallville has been pointing to Clark and Lana as the couple of the show. Chloe and Clark have never been together more than one episode.

As such, I don't think the writers and creators view Chlark in the same manner, and could very well bring this up without a long term plan for Chlark. Additionally, what the writers said about Lana walking in a Clois makeout was not that drastic, but close. The close didn't refer to the who IMO but the action.
smiling sarah
I think the Fever letter could very well be brought up for Closure,...
I couldn't disagree more. In my view, the show wouldn't bring the letter up at all if the point was to allow the Chlark to drift quietly into the night. Part of the point imo to the Chimmy engagement in the premiere is to up the stakes for everyone concerned and throw down the gauntlet to both Clark & Chloe to observe some moral conventions as a result of wrong choices on both their parts. If the point here was to drive the final nail in the Chlark, then the engagement seals the deal without further discussion for the characters if the intent was to effectively end it all. You simply don't bring the letter up at all, because it's virtually irrelevant at that point, imo.

OTOH, the timing of the appearance of the letter sets up both Clark & Chloe for renewed exploration of feelings. Add to the equation a Clark stand-in that Chloe will admire and be drawn to for his apparent public heroism, and you get perfect or near perfect evidence that Chloe will always be drawn to Clark or a Clark stand-in. The logic is brilliant, imo. It's Chlark that will be at odds over Dooms, and it's Chlark who will have the angst factor amped up to a perfect 10 on the emotional angst-o-meter. I don't see anything at present that suggests a final nail in the Chlark coffin. Heck, I see the show ripping the lid off that sucker and letting the beast out to play. LOL. Add the Chlark cheerleader role for Nois to the equation, and I see a nice scenario brewing.

If anything Smallville has been pointing to Clark and Lana as the couple of the show. Chloe and Clark have never been together more than one episode.
Again, I disagree. If anything, Chlark and Clana have spent the series being paralleled, contrasted and compared to each other. The show has taken great efforts and especially so in season 7 to demonstrate why the Clana doesn't work in the same fashion that it has paralleled the Chimmy to Clana in similar ways. Concurrently, the show has also likewise spared no effort in demonstrating why Chloe is the right girl for Clark, and season 7 spent some considerable time amping up the Chlark even as the Clana was gimping along like a wounded duck.

From my perspective, even with the sparse info that we have to date, just the chronology of events the way they lay out before us now suggest maximum emotional angst, fear of loss and second thoughts.
Memphis1
I agree to disagree on the direction Chlark is headed, particularly since we'll all get to know very shortly, but I would like to highlight that differing perspectives mean that the writers can't be too concerned about pleasing any one group. By this I mean, I doubt they care very much if Chlarkers think the show has been building towards one ending, when Clexers, Cloisers, Claners, and the large but underappreciated group of shipless people have seen something totally different.
Full Frontal
One other alternative to Chloe leaving Jimmy stranded or some Big Bad interrupting the wedding is Jimmy doing the honorable thing and letting Chloe off the hook similar to Leah Thompson in Some Kind of Wonderful. Actually I think that needs to happen anyway to make Chloe not look entirely bad.
griffin2
ITA the letter is only being brought up to kill romantic Chlark, and maybe Chlois, dead.

I think the Fever letter could very well be brought up for Closure

Craig said earlier in regards to Lois being a Chlarker not necessarily closing the door on Clois. And that TPTB won't be closing the door on a major ship early on. So why would the fever letter be used to close a door on Chlark, when all it would do is disenfranchise Chlarkers and even Chloisers to where they won't watch the show anymore, especially when they need every viewer to keep their ratings up to have CW to pick it up for a 9th season. So IMHO it's just hopeful thinking that the Fever letter is to shut down Chlark. Just how it was my hopeful thinking that Lois being a Chlarker is to shut down Clois.

Neither ship IMHO will be closed. One should, but they need viewership

much like Rachel and Joey after much speculation prior finally decided to just be friends

In order for this to work, Chlark must be compared to Rachel and Joey, unfortunately I see Clois as more like Rachel and Joey. They never showed interest eachother, Lois is very much like Joey, basically eager to get with anyone who shows interest in them.

IMO, it's hard for me to place a significant amount of importance on a letter that was talked about once and never brought up again for six years.

IMHO there was a nod to it in Wrath with this exchange between Chlark at the DP in regards to Lana:
Clark: Chloe do you know what it feels like to wonder if someone close to you... isn't who you think?
Chloe: Did you really just ask me that question?

Considering that the Famous Line in the Fever Letter is
I'm not who you think I am...


I feel Wrath gave a nod to the fever letter thus setting the stage for Clark to grow out of Lana, which he almost did. IMHO S7 was for Clark to grow out of Lana, and in Season 8 Clark to grow into Chloe. but the strike and KK's movie delayed it, so that's what I see happening here when she returns.

Also an interesting tidbit, Jimmy pointed out in Cure that they reunited when the world was ending, well Doomsday is interrupting their wedding. Funny nod to Cure, IMHO.

Also with the "Chloe will always Love Clark" from PS3 and AlMiles and AM, and others, I do believe the reason why Chloe wrote Jimmy the letter before going with the treatment asking him to prove to her that they love eachother was because she knew she would fall in love with Clark Kent. She had to ask Jimmy to prove they love eachother, if Chlimmy was so in love, and she moved on from Clark/ Chloe would pick Jimmy over Clark, then asking him to prove it wouldn't make sense. But she did, means she knows she'll fall right back in love with Clark when she first sees him.

I don't see the Fever Letter being used to shut down Chlark, if it was Lois wouldn't be proving herself to be a Chlarker.


I know a lot of people were speculating that Chloe would be involved in something with Clark and Lana would interrupt it, but we now have three sources either hinting or outright saying that it will be Lois.

Not Necessarily. Nothing what we have is coming from Clark's POV. Everything is from Lois's POV. I don't care if Lois Lane falls in love with Clark Kent. I only care is if Clark Kent reciprocates those feelings, and as far as I see from the spoilers, the only person he's having second thoughts about is Chloe.

We have a spoiler in the first 7 episodes one will have Lois declaring her feelings for Clark to him. Nothing is spoiled if he feels the same way. In fact we are getting hints that his feelings for Chloe will creep in, in regards with her happiness with Jimmy. Also hints of a Clark Tess love interest in the second half means he clearly does not feel the same way for Lois. That could add to Lois's heartache.

ED said Lois will have some heartache, that could mean anything. Heartache because Clark rather be with Lana then her? Or Her hurting for Chloe. Or hell, hating the drama Lana caused for her cousin and her best friend. Or it could be absolutely shallow, She's hurting cause she's not even apart of a triangle with Clark.

I wouldn't put stock on what PS3 say, remember these people also followed the line with AlMiles saying "We'll see the Lois Lane we all know and Love" in Season 7, Sounders, used those words exactly in Comic Con, "We'll see the Clark/Lois partnership we all know and love from the comics."

To me, everything is Clois hype. In season 7 Lois was supposed to see Clark in a brand new light, even showed Lois seeign Clark exposed in light at the Dam. Nothing changed.

I dunno, if Nois falls in love with Clark, it because
1, she's looking for a rebound from Ollie, considering she's revisiting her feelings for him,
2, she thinks Clark is the perfect, normal guy she can be with,
3 Because she's shallow and think Clark is an attractive guy

One other alternative to Chloe leaving Jimmy stranded or some Big Bad interrupting the wedding is Jimmy doing the honorable thing and letting Chloe off the hook similar to Leah Thompson in Some Kind of Wonderful. Actually I think that needs to happen anyway to make Chloe not look entirely bad.

I think what they'll do is end Chlimmy how it began. They started when the world shook, they'll end when things get bloody. Jimmy thought that was a sign that they were meant to be, he'll think this as a sign they were never meant to be.

Considering Episode 10 sounds like a big episode, and possibly the outing of Davis, I believe my original spec may be right. That Davis attacks, Clark stops him, he s badly hurt, not healing as fast for some reason, maybe near death, Chloe heals him and such. Now twist and turns, I think what would be awesome is Massena1's idea for Davis.
smiling sarah
I agree to disagree on the direction Chlark is headed,...
Fair enough.

I doubt they care very much if Chlarkers think the show has been building towards one ending, when Clexers, Cloisers, Claners, and the large but underappreciated group of shipless people have seen something totally different.
One of the biggest failings of the series imo has been Clark's clear indecisiveness regarding these types of issues. From my very biased perspective, Chloe is the girl that a mature and wise Clark would've fallen for no later than Vessel in season 5. Notwithstanding our differences in the shipper fandom, I still think that the show provides enough objective narrative to get an idea on where it's going in these areas. That's why I Chlark.

One other alternative to Chloe leaving Jimmy stranded or some Big Bad interrupting the wedding is Jimmy doing the honorable thing and letting Chloe off the hook similar to Leah Thompson in Some Kind of Wonderful. Actually I think that needs to happen anyway to make Chloe not look entirely bad.
I would far prefer that Jimmy be called out on his deal with Lex once his betrayal becomes known.
CantThinkUpName
I agree with those who think the "Fever letter" is being introduced to put an end - or seemingly put an end - to Romantic Chlark. They might leave some lingering doubts so they can go back to it later but I think, overall, they might try to use the Fever letter just so they show how Chloe is (apparently) over Clark and this way she can become Happy Homemaker Mrs. Chloe Olsen.

The problem is that it's not Clark's clear indecisiveness, it's the show's. They had such a hard on for Clana that they didn't give Clark (or anyone for that matter) a chance to explore his feelings after maybe halfway through season 2 at the latest.

I still think that the show provides enough objective narrative to get an idea on where it's going in these areas.
But it's hard to trust anything with the show where more plots change or are dropped halfway through the storyline (e.g. fake!baby, whatever the fuck Brainiac was doing) than are followed through to their successful, logical conclusion. I don't know when stalling stops being stalling and becomes the story.

I just don't believe they care about the story or the characters. If they're as weak or deluded as I believe they are, nothing's off the table. They say "it's the Lois we all love" and they can present Lois as some kind of Superwoman and either outright lie to us or somehow convince themselves it's the same Lois. And if they feel they can get more money or more promotion or more seasons by presenting Clois instead of Chlark, that's what they'll try to do.

There are probably more times in the show that what we seen on screen doesn't match up with any sort of logic than things fitting together perfectly. So at this point, especially this early in the season, it's almost impossible to guess what the Fever letter could mean to the characters. It's impossible to figure out what ED means or where her heart lies considering all the wrong things and dropped things she, and the producers, have said in public before.

I really want the season to start so I can start bitching about the tangible, rather than abstracts of character motivations via ever-untrustworthy interviews.
jimmy4
much like Rachel and Joey after much speculation prior finally decided to just be friends, which established Ross and Rachel as the couple to be.

But one of the major reasons why Rachael and Joey did not end up together was because of Ross and the fact that Ross was Joey's friend first or rather really good friend of Joey. IMO, this is actually an example of why Clois would never work for me, unless Chloe is dead. Because Clark and Chloe are such close friends, and Chloe is Clark's best friend, I would think it would be a bit icky for her cousin to go after Clark and vice-versa. JMHO.

RE: Fever Letter: One of the reasons I disagree that it is being brought back for closure on the Chlark relationship is the letter would not be needed if that was the case. All they would need is to have a Chlark talk, where Clark and Chloe talk about how their friendship will change after Chimmy are married (oh dear God no!) and have Chloe say how much in love she is with Jimmy and Clark say how happy he is for Chloe. End of chapter, closure attained. Instead they bring back a letter that talks about two kinds of girls, and where we know that Chloe is one of those girls and Lana is the other. Then they have Clark re-examining his feelings for Chloe why? If it's just closure, then all we would need to see is a Chlark talk, not a reminder of:
(a) The two types of girls
(b) Clark's need to grow out of one and into the other
© Chloe's feelings for Clark
(d) Clark's feelings for Chloe --- I say feelings because if he's rexamining them, then there must be something there
(e) clark wondering what he is missing out on.
and
(d) The masquarading as your best friend part.
... IMO, I think that it would be completely pointless for PTB to bring back a letter that says so much about the two of them, only for Chlark to go:

Clark: I saw the letter that you wrote to me when I was sick
Chloe: oh, that old thing! Come on Clark, that was when I was a stupid, love-sick teenager. I am not that girl anymore.
Clark: Oh, I know! I am not that guy anymore too. I have rexamined my feelings and well... I think we should just be friends, nothing more.
Chloe: Well... BDA, eh, Clark, We are JUST friends.
Clark: uh, yeah, you are right. Well, forget I brought it up. I am glad we talked about it. I guess I will go and oogle Lois' breasts now, oh by the way, I think she is the TYPE of girl that I will grow into... especially her boobs...eh, I mean especially her amazing ICONIC! reporting talent and how ICONIC! she is as my boss. She really is an ICONIC!DP-employee you know? Well, Chloe, good luck with your married life! I am off to do some ICONIC!Reporting with Lois.

..and then they both go their separate ways. Lois falls boobs first in love with Clark, Clark grows into her in a very ICONIC way and Chimmy have ten little chimmylings who Chloe heals when they are sick so they save on hospital bills and she doesn't have to work ever again.
The end...

JMHO, YMMV.
Now I have given myself a headache.
Fos32
The problem is that it's not Clark's clear indecisiveness, it's the show's. They had such a hard on for Clana that they didn't give Clark (or anyone for that matter) a chance to explore his feelings after maybe halfway through season 2 at the latest.


I think that there is an advantage and a disadvantage to this. As bad as Clana was, the one thing that it did prevent was Clark moving on to thousands of different women over the course of the series, which probably would've looked just as bad or even worse than his love for Lana. As for Clark's exploration of his feelings, I'm hoping that we get a chance to see that this season, without him dating every female on the show. Perhaps the "Fever" letter will give Clark a chance to seriously look at Chloe and his feelings for her without Lana clouding his mind and we'll see what conclusion he comes to regarding that. Same thing with Lois if he gets closer to her while they work at the DP. Of course, Lana returning will change everything around again. It would be so much better if her arc was at the start of the season, but I'm sure TPTB want it in the middle after they take the time to have Clark move on. It makes for more drama and conflict that way, I suppose.

One of the reasons I disagree that it is being brought back for closure on the Chlark relationship is the letter would not be needed if that was the case. All they would need is to have a Chlark talk, where Clark and Chloe talk about how their friendship will change after Chimmy are married (oh dear God no!) and have Chloe say how much in love she is with Jimmy and Clark say how happy he is for Chloe. End of chapter, closure attained.


I agree that this is the way that they could do, but IMO, this doesn't jive with the kind of writers that TPTB are. They love drama and if at all possible, they would jump at the chance to bring something back from the earlier seasons. The "Fever" letter is a way to do just that. It might not produce a lot of drama, but every ounce that TPTB can get out of it it is a good thing in their minds, IMO.
Sue Denim
OTOH, the timing of the appearance of the letter sets up both Clark & Chloe for renewed exploration of feelings. Add to the equation a Clark stand-in that Chloe will admire and be drawn to for his apparent public heroism, and you get perfect or near perfect evidence that Chloe will always be drawn to Clark or a Clark stand-in. The logic is brilliant, imo. It's Chlark that will be at odds over Dooms, and it's Chlark who will have the angst factor amped up to a perfect 10 on the emotional angst-o-meter. I don't see anything at present that suggests a final nail in the Chlark coffin. Heck, I see the show ripping the lid off that sucker and letting the beast out to play. LOL. Add the Chlark cheerleader role for Nois to the equation, and I see a nice scenario brewing.


smiling sarah you've just summed up my exact interpretation of what's going on here.

If Chlark were to end with the series and leave Clark ready to move to Nois, then there has to be moments where I see Clark moving away from Lana and then moving away from Chloe. Albeit, Lana was Clark's love interest, but Chlark is by far the relationship that has the most emotional glue. With Lana out of the picture, I think it would be very natural for Clark's feelings to turn towards Chloe as a love interest. He's never said "I love you" to Chloe, but he's shown it as a friend and has suggested it with his "more than you know" statement in Labyrinth. I make these points to reaffirm that Chloe's been a huge part of his life and for the show not to let Clark explore Chloe as someone more than his confidante would disservice the show's entire history.

So, I think we're gonna see a Clark that's somewhat timid with the situation. He knows what he wants, he knows what Chloe wants, via the letter. Whatever is said textually, it's not gonna override what's going on with the ship.

As far as the wedding, I am thinking about the episode I assume forget (Promise) and Chloe asking Clark if he's gonna come in at the last minute and save the day. "You're my hero, Clark". I hate thinking that they'll parrallel a future episode back to the episode I assume to forget, but PS3 is capable.
Mythos
Sounders, used those words exactly in Comic Con, "We'll see the Clark/Lois partnership we all know and love from the comics."


Well for arguement sake all spoilers point to Lois and Clark both being journalists working together(ala the comics) at the Daily Planet, weither people will love it or not is a different point of discussion.
nzs
ala the comics

It's not quite a la comics because Nois is not an ace reporter and she already knows Clark sans glasses. Saying "a la comics" is discounting everything we've seen in the last 7 seasons on SV. Imo.
griffin2
It's not quite a la comics because Nois is not an ace reporter and she already knows Clark sans glasses. Saying "a la comics" is discounting everything we've seen in the last 7 seasons on SV. Imo.

Not to mention, neither one was hired by Perry White

I agree with those who think the "Fever letter" is being introduced to put an end - or seemingly put an end - to Romantic Chlark. They might leave some lingering doubts so they can go back to it later but I think, overall, they might try to use the Fever letter just so they show how Chloe is (apparently) over Clark and this way she can become Happy Homemaker Mrs. Chloe Olsen.

I disagree, IMHO it opens the door to the relationship for Clark. Lets face the facts, Clark is dense. He needs something solid to make him think differently, the Fever Letter will be just like the Hydro Gossip Column by Linda Lake reviving Clana. Or the Fever Letter is Crush's Pete telling Clark how Chloe really feels. The Letter is to have Clark open his eyes, Chloe will deny it, it's a given, I do believe there will be those who says it closes the ship, I doubt it, they can't end this ship if they want S9, why? They need the viewers.

IMHO the fever letter is to open Clark's eyes then anything else, "Is Chloe really the girl of my dreams?" For me, this is the case.

Committed is sounding like Truth to me, where Pete confessed his feelings to Chloe.

The fever letter is more for Clark then it is for Chlark in this early stages IMHO. I never exepct the fever letter to show up one episode and then next they start with Chlark in bed together. But for me, it's more of setting up the revelation.

Lois IMHO will be Clark's Pete. He'll talk to Lois about his feelings for her cousin, I see Clois getting closer as friends, but nothing more. She might fall in love with him, but nothing indicates he feels the same way.

The "Fever" letter is a way to do just that.

IMHO, if they use the Fever letter to shut the door, it would be an act of out right disrespect for those fans.

I would feel disrespected, that such a moment that made me a solid Chloe fan was used to admit they destroyed everything that made Chloe, Chloe.

If they use the letter that way, that would be more of a "FUCK YOU!" to chlarkers and Chloisers then the Clois desk shot. And I don't think PS3 will do it, considering they want a season 9. Why piss off a major fanbase, for what? Nois using Clark to rebound/make Oliver Jealous? Make her look more like a selfish whorish bitch? PS3 aren't aren't that stupid to piss off, as Swimmer puts it "their core fanbase"

Well for arguement sake all spoilers point to Lois and Clark both being journalists working together

8-2, Clark most likely investigates the cause of the explosions, Chloe is the one who finds who does it, and finds out why/ her back story
8-3 Clark and Chloe investigates who poisoned Oliver, and saves him
8-4 Chloe investigates Maxima for Clark
8-6 Clark and Chloe investigates murders, debate on who.
just the first six...
Mythos
8-2, Clark most likely investigates the cause of the explosions, Chloe is the one who finds who does it, and finds out why/ her back story
8-3 Clark and Chloe investigates who poisoned Oliver, and saves him
8-4 Chloe investigates Maxima for Clark
8-6 Clark and Chloe investigates murders, debate on who.


Problem is Chloe isn't a reporter anymore, all of these fall under Chloe the googling sidekick role
sita102
Problem is Chloe isn't a reporter anymore, all of these fall under Chloe the googling sidekick role


Huh? So an investigation doesn't count because she's not a reporter?

We've alredy seen pics of Chloe at the scene of the explosions, Olliver is posioned during the party, which is where I assumed they'd investigate and Clark is the one that has the DP computers for googling to find out info about Maxima, so it must mean he needs Chloe to do something else for him. The last episode mentioned, has a reduced cast, so I don't see why Chloe will be googling.
Mythos
Huh? So an investigation doesn't count because she's not a reporter?


Well it does if she is not working at a newspaper, Police Officers investigate does that make Chloe a police officer?

My comment was in relation to Clark and Lois working together at the Daily Planet.
sita102
Well it does if she is not working at a newspaper, Police Officers investigate does that make Chloe a police officer?


No, that makes her interested in helping people and finding out the truth like she's always been. When Clark investigatd without working at a paper, he did it because he wanted to help. She could be researching and investigating the people that kidnapped her as well.

Then again, if all Lois does is wacky hijinks without any investigations, then IMO, no matter where she works, she's not a reporter either - she's someone waiting for the Big Cool Headline to fall in her lap, whereas Chloe goes out and finds out the truth, even though she isn't workig at a paper.
CantThinkUpName
Well it does if she is not working at a newspaper, Police Officers investigate does that make Chloe a police officer?
So do you feel all the non-newspaper related investigation she did while hired at the DP doesn't count?
griffin2
My comment was in relation to Clark and Lois working together at the Daily Planet.

Yeah and I was pointing out, doesn't seem like they do except for, possibly Committed.
Mythos
So do you feel all the non-newspaper related investigation she did while hired at the DP doesn't count?


If what she investigated was in relation to writing a story then yes it counts, if it was for other reasons then no it doesn't, it would fall under personal google sidekick.
griffin2
it would fall under personal google sidekick.

You know DCLois Lane did that in Action Comics.
Sue Denim
Harry Potter's not an auror but he vanquished Lord Voldemort. I think it's splitting hairs to say Chloe's not a reporter because she doesn't get paid for it. YMMV.
Nat0117
Here's the bottom line--it's been said time and again that Chloe will always love Clark, no matter what. This is one aspect of the show that has never wavered and, according to practically everyone who's ever been involved with running the show, never will. So IF the "Fever" letter is being brought back just to kill Chlark, it'll be all on Clark's side and Chloe will still be the lovesick puppy. What does that do but force a retread of S2 angsty Chloe? It doesn't change anything, except maybe make things a lot worse for her. What I think we're looking at is an examination of the Chlark relationship and why it is what it is. I think there'll be an acknowledgement of a certain intimacy and perhaps when both are ready to face it, Lana will return. This, I think, is going to force Chloe to "cut the apron strings" as AM suggested in an interview about her relationship with Clark in S8 and it will, I would imagine, giver her time to grow closer with Bloome. But absolutely the Chlark stuff will have to be revisted. Because again, it all comes back to the same thing--Chloe loves Clark. Until she's gone from the show or dead, it'll be the pink elephant in the room. It makes no sense for those two to sit down and think about their relationship and decide to just be buddies. Chloe CAN'T do that.
Black Panda
If what she investigated was in relation to writing a story then yes it counts,

Reply in Chlois thread
sita102
it would fall under personal google sidekick.

You know DCLois Lane did that in Action Comics.


I think I'd like to say something about this in the Chlois thread.
PolarB
I think it's splitting hairs to say Chloe's not a reporter because she doesn't get paid for it.

She's not reporting any of it, though. Investigating, absolutely, but there's no publishing involved. Chloe getting a front page story on the ice princess in Fierce is reporting; Chloe cleaning up the picture to figure out Lex killed Lionel in Descent isn't, imo. That doesn't make the latter less important than it is, but I don't see it as being the same thing.
CantThinkUpName
To me, it's merely hope that she'll get back into writing soon. With the original spoilers it seemed as though she was through with everything, even investigating. It helps me deal with this season imagining her as an investigative journalist, who doesn't have a place to be published.
Black Panda
reply in Chlois thread
RepairmanBob
I do not think the Fever letter will be used to kill of Chlark dead for one simple reason - season nine.

PS3 has to know they are in deep, deep trouble. Smallville is an eight year old show, on a network that shows it absolutely no love. It's has always lived by its ships. AlMiles made sure to throw each of the shipper groups enough red meat to keep them coming back. They made no secret that they were pandering to every group. Well, now all that pandering and all that screwing with every shipper group has bitten them in the ass. MR is gone, and he is not coming back - so much for Clex and those Lex fans. It now looks like KK is not coming back until Spring sweeps, which potentially eliminates another large group of viewers (Lana/Clana fans) until January or February. That leaves just two popular ships, IMO - Chlark and Clois.

As much as PS3 are pushing Clois, and much as they love Clois, they will not, IMO, intentionally drive off the Chlark fans. They need them, and every other fan the can beg, borrow or steal to have any hope of another season. Craig has said at least 1/2 of PS3 visits K-Site. They could not possible have missed Chimmy's miserable showing in the K-Site Best Couple voting. It nearly lost to one episode of Lollie. It did lose to Bizarro raping Lana for six weeks, and it was crushed by Chlark. The Chimmy-heavy Sleeper's "win" as Worse Episode, with a dominate 43% of the vote, was also not a ringing endorsement of the pairing, IMO. I know the writers will merrily piss off the fans, but are the really crazy enough to actively drive them away?

IMO, the Fever letter will be used for angst and to throw the Chlark fans a bone. Now, the Chlark may well suck - after all, Kick the Chloe is second only to Lana Must Be Loved as the writers' mantra. But putting Chlark to bed in the fourth episode of the season, when they can tease the shippers for 18 more episodes? Giving up all of that tasty angst, and those vitally needed viewers, does not seem likely to me, but YMMV.
Teen Titan
I wish at least one of PS3 would visit here.

Then they'd see that we like the idea of Chloe being with a serial killer better than the idea of her being with Jimmy Olsen.

And hopefully then they'd realise just how bad they've screwed the character up.
Old Juan
Getting both TW and AM back for season nine will be important as well. Trying to get another season is one thing but if they lose TW and AM after this year then season nine is going to have very little foundation to stand on. As in no foundation. Do they really think that people are going to watch a show with EDLois and Jimmy as the main characters?
jwm
I wish at least one of PS3 would visit here.

Heh. Looks like your wish has been granted.
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