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Nat0117
Here's how I think it'll go--the letter will resurface, and Chloe'll deny the shit out of those feelings. Clark will start to realize his own. They'll play the awkward dance for a bit, and when Chloe's finally feeling like she can shed her fears about facing the emotions she's always kept at bay, Lana will come back and throw a wrench in. I don't think Clark will want to ditch Chloe at all, but Chloe will assume that he will and run away. Maybe Lana will kiss Clark and before he can stop her, Chloe sees it. Sort of parallel to Chloe's having witnessed the Clana kiss before Lex's wedding in "Exodus" and turns to Lionel, only this time I think it'll be her work that she throws herself into, and indirectly, Doomsday.

Now, how this will affect Clois is where I'm nervous. I'm thinking that all of the business with Lana will drive a wedge between Chlark and that it will be what finally causes Chloe to "cut the apron strings," as AM said. Surely this will be what gives Clois the opportunity to spend more time with Nois, who'll slide into Chloe's role, more or less. And then either they'll get up to their hijinks and provide some comic relief, have their flirty moments and give Cloisers their shippy anvils but ultimately all will lead back to Chlark at the end (which, for me, not just as a Chlarker but someone who's invested in THIS series rather than comic canon, is the only ending that actually makes sense), or just get Chloe out of the way so that Clark can fall for Nois.

I think it's 50/50 at this point, and I'm not sure that PS3 even know what's going to happen. And that's why this talk of S9 and 10 really upsets me, because I strongly suspect that this season's endgame, which really will be the series finale for me, will be greatly affected by a renewal. And that is just beyond disappointing and unacceptable.
EllyF
I'm thinking that all of the business with Lana will drive a wedge between Chlark and that it will be what finally causes Chloe to "cut the apron strings," as AM said. Surely this will be what gives Clois the opportunity to spend more time with Nois, who'll slide into Chloe's role, more or less.


Well, indeed, they implied this, suggesting that Clark would be jealous of Chloe's new interests, and lonely: "It's a sad and lonely day for Clark Kent, but luckily he has the Daily Planet and Lois to fill the hours..."

I guess it comes down to a few things. Do PS3 really see these characters as interchangeable? Can EDLois just step into Chloe's role as confidante and friend? Do they think it would Clark look bad if he realizes he has feelings for Chloe, then just shifts them to EDLois in the space of half a season? Does this make look EDLois look like sloppy seconds (or thirds), and do they really want to go there? Do they really think having Clark and EDLois wind up together would be a good resolution for a plot arc that mostly involves Chloe and Lana?

Honestly, I can't guess either, based on the rather confusing spoilers we've gotten so far. I know what makes sense to me as a viewer. The question is whether PS3 want to carry through with what seems to me to be the logical resolution, or just switch everything to match up with "mythos." But I honestly can't see why they'd bring up a plot element from years ago, and even have Clark start to reconsider his relationship with Chloe, if they're just going to Clois. If they want to resolve Chlark and turn toward Clois, they need to just flatly end any suggestion of Chlark romance on both sides, not have one of the characters realize his feelings are deeper than he ever realized.
Nat0117
If they want to resolve Chlark and turn toward Clois, they need to just flatly end any suggestion of Chlark romance on both sides, not have one of the characters realize his feelings are deeper than he ever realized.

Exactly. And this is where I'm torn, because it is obvious to ME where this is going...but I have no confidence that it'll actually go there. And even if it does, there is the strong possibility that the series was always meant to end with Chloe dying for Clark, and that these feelings resurfacing now are just being done so to make the fall much farther and much harder for Clark when she does die. Having Chlark spend a good part of the season pining separately and secretely also gives hope to Chlarkers, but also allows for Clois interaction, however superficial it may be. And to the hardcore Cloiser, there's no question as to which woman Clark will end up with, so any Clois hints at this point are just icing, I'd think.
Liv06
Now, how this will affect Clois is where I'm nervous.


I can't answer this without going to into spoilers, so I'm assuming I have to take it to the spoiler thread.

"cut the apron strings," as AM said.


Didn't AM already say that there would be lots of Chloe being a sidekick to Clark as usual? Something about "what kind of sidekick would she be?" in response to a question? I think AM was filling in the blanks for Chloe for the rest of the season from what she knows of the first what 3 or 4 episodes by that point?
smiling sarah
I wouldn't be surprised if Chlimmy ends in either 8-5 (considering the episode is titled Committed meaning there "was a commitment") or 8-6 and Clark asks Chloe out on a date, and such not to start Chlark up immediately just to acknowledge when Chloe's ready they'll start you know?
Actually, I would be shocked speechless if Chimmy was over so early in the season. The show is essentially laying down the salient points that allow you to reasonably speculate on the chronology of events here, imo. I know Chlarkers (points to self) would love for the Chimmy to sink like a lead weight after ep 5, but I'm going to speculate it gets a lot darker before it gets better.

I'm betting that the Chimmy gets very very very close to or actually does reach it's wedding day before something actually transpires to cause it to crash to a halt. The show is offering Jimmy his own conflicts to have to contend with with respect to Tess. This isn't just about Chloe & Clark. This also about Jimmy doing whatever he can to hop from one foot to the other to keep his deal with Lex a secret while trying to hold onto Chloe. It will require some time to develop that storyline on it's own apart from his ship with Chloe while trying to keep Tess satisfied.
griffin2
"cut the apron strings," as AM said.

Didn't AM already say that there would be lots of Chloe being a sidekick to Clark as usual? Something about "what kind of sidekick would she be?" in response to a question? I think AM was filling in the blanks for Chloe for the rest of the season from what she knows of the first what 3 or 4 episodes by that point?

In the CW Source interview, she said she'll always have Clark's back, like "What kind of sidekick will she be." And Chloe has been saying that Clark has to loosen the reigns on Chloe for the past 2 years now. I mean Chloe's role has been limited to Clark's sidekick last season so I think AM wants Chloe to do her own thing. So she's saying one thing and saying another.

It's at a point where I just don't want to read interviews cause they are designed for all fan base and interpretations. Trust the show, not the showrunners.

Now, how this will affect Clois is where I'm nervous.


In interviews they go, it's the clois we all know and love, yet Lois will hinder his heroics and making deadlines. Lois will see Clark in a new light, yet this isn't going to be like Lois and Clark the series cause these characters aren't developed that way.

I dunno, there is nothing that suggest Clois for me in terms of storyline.

Actually, I would be shocked speechless if Chimmy was over so early in the season.

Why? Chlimmy in S7 ended in 7-4 in AA's second episode. I'd expect it to be the same thing.
smiling sarah
Why? Chlimmy in S7 ended in 7-4 in AA's second episode. I'd expect it to be the same thing.
It's a different season and a vastly different situation. The set up is all layed out there, imo. I seriously doubt that Chimmy will flop to a final end point after episode 5.
Liv06
I know Chlarkers (points to self) would love for the Chimmy to sink like a lead weight after ep 5, but I'm going to speculate it gets a lot darker before it gets better.


I have no idea which month episode 5 falls, but I expect Chimmy to be done with in time for Lana to make her reappearance in November sweeps and mess things up. It can't be an inoppurtune time for her to appear if the situation surrounding Clark and Chloe hasn't changed.
griffin2
I have no idea which month episode 5 falls

October.
EllyF
It can't be an inoppurtune time for her to appear if the situation surrounding Clark and Chloe hasn't changed.


Oh, I think it can be. Clark finds out about Chloe's feelings. He approaches her. They talk. He bends to kiss her. And suddenly Lana appears! Whoomph! Clark is struck speechless in confusion, and Chloe stalks off in disgust and goes right back to Jimmy, the man she (inexplicably) trusts not to crush her heart.
griffin2
It's a different season and a vastly different situation.

Yeah, Jimmy was gone for months, comes back and Chloe was unable to go to a concert and tell him things will be normal.

Now we have Jimmy gone, Chloe being involved more with MF's and 8-5 will be AA's third episode.

goes right back to Jimmy, the man she (inexplicably) trusts not to crush her heart.

No, they'd want angst for Chlark. And they want to make it hard for Chloe, well then she'll lose Jimmy because of Clark. My guess it'll be like crimson. He'll suggest they break. Clark uses the opportunity, Lana comes back. Chloe runs to vent/cry on her new friend Davis.
Liv06
October.


Thanks!

Oh, I think it can be. Clark finds out about Chloe's feelings. He approaches her. They talk. He bends to kiss her. And suddenly Lana appears! Whoomph! Clark is struck speechless in confusion, and Chloe stalks off in disgust and goes right back to Jimmy, the man she (inexplicably) trusts not to crush her heart.


That's kind of what I meant with that sentence, Elly. Sorry my phrasing was off.

re: her going back to Jimmy? No, I don't think so. By then, she'd probably throw herself into helping Doomie find out why he's been missing time. Anyone see the BBC's Hyde? In the right actor's hands, the switch from Davis to Doomie could be fantastically creepy like James Nesbitt going from Jekyll to Hyde in that show.
Nat0117
I don't think we'll see an end to Chimmy at all. I think if anything, the letter resurfacing will freak Chloe out, and she'll stick to Jimmy more than ever in an effort to avoid Clark. Perhaps in "Committed" she'll ask Jimmy to set a date for the wedding, when previously they'd had a more open-ended thing, or perhaps they'd even discussed taking it slower and not quite calling it an engagement (of course, "committed" could also be referring to someone being sent to Belle Reve or just frankly going loopy, so who knows). Where I think this has the potential to come to a head is when Clark finally corners Chloe (I'm thinking something will happen to put one of them in danger and they'll have an honest moment) and she admits her feelings. Then there'll be some big almost kiss or whatever and--cue Lana, stage right. At that point, Chloe will really stay away from Clark, and focus on the engagement and Jimmy, and then Doomsday will come in and add fuel to the fire.

What's weird though is that Jimmy and Clark are supposed to be friendly in the comics, right? I can't see Jimmy even remotely dealing with Clark after the "Fever" letter, and possibly after a broken engagement, bceause surely he'll know that Clark had something to do with it. I'd just like Chimmy to end on a nice, final, NON-angsty note so that JO is free to interact more with Nois at the DP, along with Clark. I don't hate him when he's not sucking the life from Chloe, and I don't think he's a bad guy. I'm just not interested in seeing him as a romantic interest.
EllyF
I can't see Jimmy even remotely dealing with Clark after the "Fever" letter, and possibly after a broken engagement, bceause surely he'll know that Clark had something to do with it.


I think they could hugely redeem Jimmy by having him recognize that Chloe has always loved Clark on some level, and having him give her up without resentment because he genuinely wants to see her happy. It would make him a really nice guy-- something this version of Jimmy has been lacking lately. And it would make the Clark/Jimmy friendship still a possibility, I think.
Liv06
Doomsday in a triangle with Jimmy and Chloe doesn't have the same impact as if he was in one with Chlark. I just don't see them wasting him on Chimmy when they know people will be focusing on how he interacts with Clark, and he comes into contact with him through his relationship with Chloe.

We also don't know that Chloe finds out that Clark has the letter do we up front? If Clark feels that Chloe is happy with Jimmy, despite his feelings changing like the TV Guide interview says, why would he tell her he has the letter so as to upset her at a time he thinks she's happy?
Nat0117
I don't think Clark'll say anything about the letter (not until later), but I'd bet my ass that Jimmy will.

I agree, though, that Doomsday will have more impact on Chlark, but we also have to remember that whether Clois is endgame or not, Clark does need to be freed up to interact with Nois and deal with his duties at the DP in addition to his heroics. I'm sure there'll be plenty of instances of Clark telling Chloe to watch out for Bloome, but I would think at this point things will be awkward between them and she won't want to hear it. And she'll insist that she's happy with Jimmy and whatnot. Perhaps Doomsday will be the final nail in the Chimmy coffin if the "Fever" letter fallout isn't, and this will be when Jimmy breaks up with her permanently. I do like Elly's idea about Jimmy setting her free to be happy better, but I don't think this'll happen as it basically leaves the conflict at the door. And the producers aren't happy unless everyone is angsty and confused and the characters are tripping over their own baggage.
Liv06
Clark does need to be freed up to interact with Nois and deal with his duties at the DP in addition to his heroics.


Yes, I'm very curious to see how that plays out, but I don't think it's going to play that big a part as we think it will. Clark can't be held down at the DP every episode, because his investigation drives most of the stories as the show sets it up. I'm sure Nois will tag along on some of them, but 1) I expect Ollie and her investigating Tess (who=Lex this season) out of jealousy (Ollie/Tess/Nois triangle) is probably going to take up her time; 2) she'll be unconscious for the stories that involve people with powers and Clark using his.

Also something to consider - if Nois knows that the DP can't be trusted by a Luthor being in control and resorted to working in a bar last season, why would Clark not do the same? I think in part that's why Chloe is being set up at Isis - last season, they established the DP isn't safe for anyone who isn't a Luthor stooge in terms of getting the truth out, Isis has the better computer system too according to Nois. Chloe is also the only person that Clark can go to in order to talk to someone truthfully about anything involving MFs.
Bkwurm
Re: Lana returning at an inoportune time, It's either IMO going to be the kiss interuptus, Lana showing up keeping Clark from telling Chloe his feelings, or Chloe coming to tell Clark her feelings (or at least give him a chance) and she sees Lana and leaves.

They have to do it in a manner that does not have Clark choosing Lana over Chloe (assuming it's Chloe) because I'm sure TPTB will play up Clark having to choose whether Lana is going to be in his life and so when she first shows up, he is going to have to be blameless or at the most, only look like he's taking her back. Cue Chloe running and waving the friends card.

It's the end of KK episode run that I'm most curious about.

I figure the first episode she just shows up at the end for a cliffy. Then we will have to wait until January for some resolution. They'll throw in some filler to distract from the real issue. Maybe she'll get kidnapped or stalked for good measure. Tess and Lana will have some kind of scene I bet (Tess being jealous). I can hope there will be some real kind of scene with Chloe, but likely just Chloe doing a reflexive Clana support and Lana oblivious or heartless YMMV. Ugh, I bet they will stick in a Lana/Lois scene where she asks Lois to look out for Clark.

Still, nothing really means anything until her final episode. Maybe it will even start with Clark resigned to take her back. Will Lana do something to make him realize he doesn't love her, will Lana just be in too much danger, or will he realize she really is holding him back?

As long as Clark does the final letting go, I don't care if Lana even agrees, but Clark must be the one to make that decision and please don't let it be a "tragic parting". The introduction of the Fever letter gives me hope that at least that won't happen.
griffin2
I can hope there will be some real kind of scene with Chloe,

I think it's more then hope.

I think the Isis issue will be dealt with. Lana made Isis, and Chloe had taken it over. So while at first Lana's presence if for a shipper triangle reason, I also think it has to do with Isis. Maybe Lana takes Isis away from Chloe and shuts it down?
Eurybia
In the right actor's hands, the switch from Davis to Doomie could be fantastically creepy like James Nesbitt going from Jekyll to Hyde in that show.
Oooh, Jekyll was so awesomely creepy. I think SW will do a great job with the role.

if Nois knows that the DP can't be trusted by a Luthor being in control and resorted to working in a bar last season, why would Clark not do the same?
In the preview, Lois looked pretty comfortable at the DP itself. She also seemed pretty happy with working there and how things were (telling Clark he has a big future at the DP, etc). So I wonder if they really don't think of Tess as a Luthorian threat. Which would be ridiculous, IMO.

I think the Isis issue will be dealt with. Lana made Isis, and Chloe had taken it over. So while at first Lana's presence if for a shipper triangle reason, I also think it has to do with Isis. Maybe Lana takes Isis away from Chloe and shuts it down?
Isis could also be used as a vehicle for a Flana reveal. Just saying.

I hope they deal with the Isis issue. The legality of it is cloudy (I'm not talking about Lana's shadiness, but how it passed from one to the other, how Chloe actually got the job running Isis, etc), which means they'll probably want to ignore it, IMO. I would like to see the two interact on the topic. Frankly, I never bought Lana wanting to help the MFs out of the goodness of her heart. Now that Lex is out of the picture, if she is convinced (as the public is, I guess) that he's dead, I could see her not caring about the foundation anymore. It would be interesting to see how the two work or not work together.

Re: Chimmy's inevitable demise... I'm betting Chimmy will end in the same episode in which Lana returns (hopefully not because of Clark). Chloe will go to Clark, they'll start to talk, then Lana will interrupt. Then Chloe becomes more entrenched with the Davis Bloome storyline, Jimmy could be worried and start to talk to Clark about it (since they're both worried; bonus points for giving them a reason to start getting along), and Chloe could use her new Mother Theresa role to work with Doom, ignoring the dangers because she wants to help.

As for Lana's final episode... I bet some sort of Clana moment coincides with Clark having to go rescue Chloe from Doom (in one of his blackout rages). That reverses the spring fling scenario from S1, wherein Clark left Chloe to rescue Lana. Shows his priorities, and then he could tell Lana that she was right, they aren't supposed to be together. Lana goes away, and Davis is set up as the big danger for the last ten or so episodes.
Massena1
The only possible fun I can see from Lana returning is a Delete Rematch wherein Chloe slaps the everliving daylights out of Lana. :D
Sue Denim
I don't think Clark'll say anything about the letter (not until later), but I'd bet my ass that Jimmy will.

IA. I don't see Clark approaching Chloe about the letter at all, not unless he has to. Jimmy's gonna to be the squeaky, insecure wheel here. Actually, his character is the perfect foil.

I sort of see Jimmy and Clark finding out about the letter at the same time. Clark tries to past it off as Lana's which works for a while. Jimmy probably goes on and on about what an awesome letter it is and that he had no idea that Lana could write so well. Clark would know it's Chloe's letter by the prose alone, because Clark knows Chloe's style of writing.

But Jimmy eventually figures out that Lana grew up without a father, he then asks Clark about it and Clark probably gruffs that he doesn't know why Lana has it, maybe Chloe wrote it for her to us for him. (Sounds like a stupid Clark move--worthy of Loniel's 'Lex, you're the traveler".)

Jimmy then confronts Chloe about it and yes, Chloe admits she wrote the letter, but then said it was the *best thing ever* because if forced her to look at Clark as her friend, and that's the way it's been ever since. The romantic feelings are gone, gone, gone. And obviously, she *not* waiting around for something that will never happen, when she has *everything she wants* with Jimmy.

pause.

I'm done vomiting now.

Chloe says all of this and Clark hears everything, which makes him sad. :-( I don't see Clark wanting to make the Fever Letter an issue at all with Chloe. I see that episode as more of a Jimmy/Clark episode actually.
Liv06
In the preview, Lois looked pretty comfortable at the DP itself. She also seemed pretty happy with working there and how things were (telling Clark he has a big future at the DP, etc). So I wonder if they really don't think of Tess as a Luthorian threat. Which would be ridiculous, IMO.


Or like the Doomsday storyline was redone when AM came back on board Nois went back to thinking that it was okay to be at the DP without worrying about keeping info from Tess while Clark is the one that is aware of Tess as a threat.
astrogea
Or like the Doomsday storyline was redone when AM came back on board Nois went back to thinking that it was okay to be at the DP without worrying about keeping info from Tess while Clark is the one that is aware of Tess as a threat.


What??!!! Nois unaware of everything that is happening around her?! That is just crazy talk!
Bkwurm
Could Clark's reason for joining the DP be in part to protect Lois from her less than stellar choices?

Blech, this just doesn't sit right for me.

Lois Lane is supposed to be wonderful and marvelous in her own right and yet EDLois, even if she has published anything yet, is clearly still struggling to be competent let alone the best of the best.

By putting them together in the DP now, if Lois ever does become a good reporter, it won't be due to her own merits. Clark will have been stepping in and constantly erasing the consequences of her bad decisions, bad decisions that might let her get close to a story, but only because she unknowingly has help.

That cheapens the whole legacy of Lois Lane. She has to at least be worthy on her own to start with and I can't see that in EDLois's case.
astrogea
By putting them together in the DP now, if Lois ever does become a good reporter, it won't be due to her own merits. Clark will have been stepping in and constantly erasing the consequences of her bad decisions, bad decisions that might let her get close to a story, but only because she unknowingly has help.


No to mention that if this Clark ever got into the Superman Returns route and leaves earth he will got back and find out Nois died 5 seconds after he left!
CantThinkUpName
I don't know if this is going on anywhere else but I see the "SEX! Now that I got your attention, watch Gossip Girl" posters everywhere. Has anyone seen one single piece of artwork, or advertising for Smallville (or any other CW show for that matter)? The Comic Con coverage is good but that's still tailored towards a narrow audience of people interested in that sort of thing who seek it out. Have they even come up with a Season 8 poster?
quietone
I've seen posters for 90210 and ANTM. But you're right I haven't seen anything Smallville related yet. Same goes for Supernatural.
nwp01
The new "news" isn't a spoiler, so I thought I'd bring my comments here:

What can I say? I totally expected it. How could tptb let an opportunity like that pass? No, they can't. What does it mean? Well, of course they are going to make it so ambiguous that fans will be discussing for months whether it was just a kiss or something more.

Maybe Smallville has finally made me into a raving lunatic, but it's kind of funny actually. It's now as if Clois has to get their annual kiss the way Chlark used to. I remember after season 5 when the Annual Chlark kiss was no more, there was some general sadness about it, myself included. Now? I'm good with it. I'm tired of the random drug induced or kryptonite induced kisses..if there are going to be any kisses of a certain kind, I want it to be real.

So go take that kiss girl!..force yourself to do it! Why not have the annual Clois kiss too? Later they both can have sex on Chloe's old DP desk! You know it's coming....

Coming back to the Clois lie detector game..well, I'm certainly not surprised. I also predict an ending similar to Crimson, with Clois making awkward remarks about the kiss, slight flirting, and some funny facial expressions to make fans discuss the deeper meaning behind it for days upon days upon days.

You know, for a guy who's supposed to be a nerd, without much game, and a country hick, Clark sure does get alot of play. Is there a woman (who he isn't related to) that he hasn't kissed on this show?

In between the kidnapped couples and psychotic gameshow hosts..this episode may be slightly corny.
nzs
You know, for a guy who's supposed to be a nerd, without much game, and a country hick, Clark sure does get alot of play. Is there a woman (who he isn't related to) that he hasn't kissed on this show?

Oooh! Oooh! Oooh! *think Horshack* Raya!
Liv06
Coming back to the Clois lie detector game..


The articles doesn't say it has to do with Nois and Clark, just that they're involved in the story.

So go take that kiss girl!..force yourself to do it! Why not have the annual Clois kiss too? Later they both can have sex on Chloe's old DP desk


See, I get where you're coming from - seriously, I can't think of a fucking reason to tune in for the episode when it airs when I can catch the youtube clips of Chlark and bypass the Clois altogether.

I'm hard pressed to find anything fucking entertaining about this shit, and that's the bare minimum to expect from the show these days - forget storylines that make sense.
Old Juan
You know, for a guy who's supposed to be a nerd, without much game, and a country hick, Clark sure does get alot of play. Is there a woman (who he isn't related to) that he hasn't kissed on this show?


Yes but the majority of the nerds and country hicks don't have the model good looks like SV's Clark does so that goes a long way of explaining it despite his shortcomings.
nwp01
Liv..I feel your pain..yet...I'm so beyond being upset or angry..beyond disappointed...the Clois doesn't even bother me anymore...on a regular day I fast forward Lois so....no change here. Tptb are trying to appease all ships, so I get it. Hey, Clois has to have their time in the sun as well...it's only fair I guess...

Besides, when Lana returns, the sun will once again shine from her a$$ and everything else will be shot to hell anyway. :/

I will certainly tune in for the episode though..if only to watch Chimmy squirm. I hope psycho gameshow host asks some pointed questions..

I'm hard pressed to find anything fucking entertaining about this shit, and that's the bare minimum to expect from the show these days - forget storylines that make sense.


I've realised that if I expect nothing, then this show will be very entertaining! All in all, it is a great show..that's why 7 years later, I'm still here. What is bothersome is having Clark go back and forth between the girls and then throwing Lois and other random ones in the mix. Make a choice and stick with it...or remove the ships altogether and focus on a coherent plot.

For example, I know Doomie is supposed to just beat the crap out of Supes for no reason, but I'd actually like a reason for this Doomie-however a reason not related to Chloe or anything about women. I had to struggle with this enough with Lex.

Lex: Lana loves me!
Clark: No me!
Other Random character's echo: Me!...me!...no, me!
Lex: I will become your arch-enemy because Lana loves you more!!

No more of that.
Will Doomie develop something against Clark, or in one sad day in Metropolis, Clark just gets in his cross hairs and they have an all out brawl?
EllyF
LOL. I don't know if anyone else caught this. I had to go hunting for the link to the TV Guide blog post, and in the comments, a joyful commenter remarked:

Matt, before it gets ugly around here with bashing, and I disappear lol, I just wanted to thank you for answering this! I know I was one of the ones who had emailed you inquiring about this episode and you gave us (Clois fans) good news! :D Thanks again!


Matt replied:

Hey, let's be clear-- this is just news period. On the surface, yes, it seems to service one band of shippers. But who's to say that something else in the same episode doesn't help another group's agenda...?


People... stop jerking us around. Please.
Tobi
So, just to be clear, SV is talking out of both sides of its mouth and playing one ship against another. Wow, must be Thursday!
smiling sarah
So, just to be clear, SV is talking out of both sides of its mouth and playing one ship against another. Wow, must be Thursday!
Yes...come one, come all to the land of Smallville where our heroes are lead around by their penis and a guilty conscience.
griffin2
Hey, let's be clear-- this is just news period. On the surface, yes, it seems to service one band of shippers. But who's to say that something else in the same episode doesn't help another group's agenda...?

So the kiss will reveal Lois is a supporter of Chlark ok then...

People... stop jerking us around. Please.

It's Ausiello's "Chloe's engage!" big scoop on Apocalypse all over again, giving people excitement that it could be a Chlex engagement. It isn't TPTB really, it's those people going by what they heard and making it a big deal.
apeygirl
It's Ausiello's "Chloe's engage!" big scoop on Apocalypse all over again, giving people excitement that it could be a Chlex engagement. It isn't TPTB really, it's those people going by what they heard and making it a big deal.


Still pissed about that. AU! A perfect cance to do the Chlex they never gave us and what do we get? RandomClarkStand-in. I wouldn't have minded this guy coming into the show in some way. Maybe a cop suspicious about Isis and Chloe and then we have mistrust and sexual tension. Once again, better than Chlimmy. But we have DMT instead, which will further Chloe's lovelife despair in some way, what with all that serial killing. They weren't kidding when they said this season would be even harder on Chloe. As much as I like Chloomie as a Chlexy substitute, it will just lead to more "poor Chloe."

Isn't it crazy? Before coming to this thread, I was in the spoiler thread and posted how pissed I was and how jerked around I felt about PS3 talking out of both sides of their mouths. Elly, Tobi, we must be sharing a brain.
Teen Titan
I'm ridiculously excited for season eight. I am literally hanging out for new bits of information.

I need something new!

Promo pics, more tease... Whatever, I'll take it!

I also still find it odd that Tess' "amped physical strength" that was mentioned in the original casting notice hasn't been mentioned again since. Have they gotten rid of this?

I thought it was one of the more interesting aspects of the character. Not only is a she a mental force to be reckoned with, ala Lex, but she has some muscle to back it up as well. Not that Lex couldn't fight, but he would have had no chance against Clark.

At least with some super-strength on her side Tess could give Clark a run for his money. Hey, which makes me think... Would they have Clark hit a girl? Have they had him do it before? I can think of heaps of instances of him hitting men, but never a girl?
Nat0117
a Moment of Truth-esque lie detector 'game.'

This is interesting. I have to wonder if Chloe's going to be asked about her feelings for Clark in front of Jimmy...and if putting the answer out there isn't more or less the entire point of the episode. Seems like kind of an elaborate plot just to get her to be honest, but it'll likely serve its purpose. I'm wondering also if the person who sees Clois kiss is the same guy(s) who's been abducting couples. I fear he'll end up accidentally incapacitating Clark with meteor rock and capture Clois, and there'll be some similar bullshit involving a Clois lie detector that'll ask who's hot for the other. And then I'll puke, and change the channel, and wait for 9pm so that the sight of Dean's lovely, crispy ass can make me feel better.
griffin2
I have to wonder if Chloe's going to be asked about her feelings for Clark in front of Jimmy..

My guess it'll be more like,

"Now Chloe, are you in love with Jimmy?"
"Yes"
and we find out she's lying.
shrodinger
and there'll be some similar bullshit involving a Clois lie detector that'll ask who's hot for the other. And then I'll puke, and change the channel, and wait for 9pm so that the sight of Dean's lovely, crispy ass can make me feel better.


I would puke too. But indeed the sight of Dean can redeem anything. Thank you Kripke ( and JAckles for his acting)

At least with some super-strength on her side Tess could give Clark a run for his money. Hey, which makes me think... Would they have Clark hit a girl? Have they had him do it before? I can think of heaps of instances of him hitting men, but never a girl?


I don't think Clark Kent could ever hit a girl. If I remember right (yes, I'm that old...), in Lois&Clark, THLois was the one kicking the girls' asses since DCClark was very reluctant about it. I don't think they would change that.
"Now Chloe, are you in love with Jimmy?"
"Yes"
and we find out she's lying


Yes, and then she'll make "the" eyes like in season 2 when she was so angsty and we'll need the sight of Dean again to forget it!
jwm
"Now Chloe, are you in love with Jimmy?"
"Yes"
and we find out she's lying
I figure it'll address what Jimmy's been worried about for years now, whether or not there's someone else she'd rather be with. I think Chloe could honestly say she loves Jimmy but I don't know that she can honestly say he's her first choice. Though AM seems to think Clark is higher maintenance than Jimmy.
CantThinkUpName
"Now Chloe, are you in love with Jimmy?"
"Yes"
and we find out she's lying
It might be more along the lines of

"Now Chloe, are you in love with Jimmy?"
"Yes"
"That answer is..."
*Clark and Lois break in and save them*

Knowing how non-committal (no pun intended) this show is. Then Chloe will give a speech to Jimmy about how of course she loves him and he shouldn't need a machine to tell him that.

ETA: Because I kept using "her" to describe Jimmy instead of "him." Whoopsy.
Liv06
Knowing how non-committal (no pun intended) this show is. Then Chloe will give a speech to Jimmy about how of course she loves her and he shouldn't need a machine to tell her that.


I can see this happening - which begs the question - what the fuck is the point of such contrivance filled nonsense? Are they really building a whole fucking episode over one point where Nois and Clark kiss for no reason that lasts while that miserable entity known as Doormat!Chloe reappears in fine form? *rolls eyes* This episode gets worse and worse. And Jimmy's presence is clearly the topper in what should be another addition to SV's episodes of suck. Pretty long list, isn't it? Nothing ever changes with this show's MO, not even in the last season.

There's no reason to assume either Clark or Chloe will actually be happy and be entertaining together to watch until the end of the show. Getting crap continually piled on them because it's about "conflict" doesn't make for entertaining tv. (Doomsday might prove the xception to the rule, but an actor can only make crap writing better up to a point. after that, it's a lost cause as this show has proven time and time again).
nwp01
An even bigger question for me is: Why the heck does someone want to spend their time kidnapping couples to ask them questions about their love life? What the hell kind of villian is that?? Who cares if these random couples really love each other or not?

Let me guess: the villian of the week was scarred for life by some past lover, and now he's putting couples to the test...and if one lies about their true feelings..he kills them. Right.

This episode is beyond contrived, but like Nat said, it's most likely created to serve a few specific purposes (ignoring shoddy plot lines):

1) Put Lois and Clark in a physical situation where they go undercover and have to kiss.
Satisfy Cloisers. Check.

2) Put Chimmy in an awkward situation, putting their relationship on the rocks, while hinting at the possibility of Chlark.
Tease and torture Chlarkers. Check.

3)Have Chloe yet again deny any feelings for Clark, while pumping Jimmy's ego with some nauseating bit of script.
Tease and torture Chlarkers again. Check.
Satisfy Chimmyers. Check
Make Chlarkers puke with the nauseating Chimmy. Check.

4) Redeem Lois' "Absolutely!" by making her a Chlarker.
Status: To be determined. I'm not so easily appeased.
Liv06
An even bigger question for me is: Why the heck does someone want to spend their time kidnapping couples to ask them questions about their love life? What the hell kind of villian is that?? Who cares if these random couples really love each other or not?


Anyone remember the CSI LV episode where a sadistic couple approached other couples who seemed to be having problems ie arguing in casinos with the promise of foursomes (I guess) only to get them to hotel rooms, and play their own version of truth? They usually ended up asking the hubby if he loved his wife, before they asked him to shoot her, or they’d shoot him (or something to that effect). Now if only Jimmy were to end up face down in a cheesy motel ice-box never to darken my screen again, that I would watch.

Let me guess: the villian of the week was scarred for life by some past lover, and now he's putting couples to the test...and if one lies about their true feelings.he kills them. Right.


*snort* and this is what the “rejuvenated” writers proudly come up with. Seriously, they go away, come back with new ideas and this villain is what they come up with. If anything it makes me afraid for the rest of the season. They’re just really not even bothering to try…which I guess is to be expected.

Didn’t they say in an interview something to the effect of while the audience might not find what they’re doing entertaining, the writers themselves thing it’s entertaining, so that makes it ok? Anyone remember the quote?

4) Redeem Lois' "Absolutely!" by making her a Chlarker.
Status: To be determined. I'm not so easily appeased.


Hell no. Me neither. She’s kissing him, developing feelings (or however it’s being phrased these days) so it’s okay that she wants him and Chloe together? Not right in my book either. Just leaves her on the cusp of being a two-faced cow.
jwm
Why the heck does someone want to spend their time kidnapping couples to ask them questions about their love life? What the hell kind of villian is that?? Who cares if these random couples really love each other or not?
Surely there's some horror movie they're ripping off. The plot seems about as plausible as Mercy.

The thing I don't get is aside from the fact her father is a general Lois' first kiss with Clark is about the only thing Lois seems able to remember for more than two episodes. If Lois made the connection to Clark in Crimson why wouldn't she make the connection here? And if she does make the connection it seems to taint any support she might give to Clark and Chloe as a couple.
quietone
According to tvguide.com, there should be new pics/artwork for the upcoming season.

Link

Thanks to DTTW for the heads up!
griffin2
The thing I don't get is aside from the fact her father is a general Lois' first kiss with Clark kiss is about the only thing Lois seems able to remember for more than two episodes.

It's because it's tied with Oliver. That's the only reason why she remembers it. She told Clark she was in love with Oliver in that episode Oliver was brought up in Crimson, even went to his apartment, and Oliver was in Siren when that moment was brought back. Clois moments always tends to tie back to Oliver lately.
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