Not to mention the complication of him turning into a hotter woman than Akane :D. I
loved that couple but you need to have both characters to be likeable and you should be able to see that they only can be happy with each other for that to work so you can actually enjoy and root for them to get togheter at the end. In this case aside from their names you don't get that feeling. Nois has better chemistry and looks happier with Ollie and even Jimmy so why do you want him with the BDA?

There is not reason that means banter not funny.

See, I expect Lois and Clark to have a Doctor-Donna vibe, for those who watched Season 4 of Doctor Who. They'd do all that hemming and hawing about each other from time to time, but you could tell that Donna kinda thought he was hot just as much as he thought she was clever. It wasn't "Moonlighting," and there was no payoff

If Lois makes Clark pie, he'll think she's clever, too. Clark loves his pie.

Heh! Sad because it's true!

What I do not get though is how Lois and Clark are suddenly suppossed to develop feelings for each other because they are WORKING together, yet they LIVED together at the Kent house for over a year, saw each other naked/half-naked(?), and even worked together a lot in season 4 and yet nothing! Unless the DP has some mojo-love-potion-effect, I don't see how the situation changes all of a sudden. It's too contrived.

Cue the Morgan Fairchild guest shot.

Marina to: Ah, Remington Steele, my very favorite show. It came on before Moonlighting and the leads were much more likeable together.



I adored the Docter/Donna relationship but they were extremely firmly just friends, far more firmly than I've ever preceived Clark/Chloe and with far more respect than I've ever seen between Lois/Clark. I actually would disagree that Donna ever thought he was hot (blind woman) but that was one of the reasons the relationship worked. If the Lois/Clark banter was like that I'd like it, but I think our Lois/Clark are too different of characters to pull it off.

I think the problem is trying to pimp a relationship but being unable to go there. Basically it's a big o' waste of time. Now I don't mind m/f friendship but not if you're going to go "woo hoo, they're so twu wuv" constantly but not having a pay off. Also if it appears she's sloppy seconds for his REAL twu wuv. I just don't think any other show would try to pelt people with relationship anvils after going on and on that another woman was his twu wuv for almost 90% of the series (and making it the main tragedy way over the devolution of his supposed best friend) and depend on having an audience OK with no onscreen pay off.

Lacroix, an SV insider who posts at IMDB has listed the directorial slate for the year. (He was responding to a question about MR returning to direct.)


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Also from Lacroix:

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So if they are looking for a back up character to carry the show for season's 9 and 10 who are the contenders? Green Arrow makes the most sense and I for one wouldn't mind watching Lois and Ollie's on and off relationship, it seems to work, but I don't know how they could dare still call it Smallville.

LOL, Bkwurm. Those are exactly the characters that popped into my mind when I saw the spoiler. Ollie is popular, and JH seems like he'd be happy to take over an established show (poor guy must be tired of pilots that don't take!). And ED has been with the show for a while, so I think that would give it at least some continuity. I can't see AM resigning under these circumstances, though I could certainly be wrong.

I have to add I can't really imagine it happening, though. The network isn't supporting the show in advertising or budget, and it's switching its focus to young teenage girls. I don't see how they're going to manage to convince the network to keep it for two more seasons unless it drastically improves its sinking ratings.

And you know, they could have done this by keeping Kara around. Now, it's entirely possible that they may bring LV back for the end of S8 to set up her taking over should S9 actually happen, but if that was an option, I'd think they'd want to keep her around in S8 to keep up interest.


Isn't SV still the CW's highest rating non-reality show? I know it's declined, but I thought it was still tops for the network. To me, that makes it more likely they'd want to hold onto it as long as they can.

Even if the ratings are sinking, isn't Smallville still one of The CW's biggest contenders?



I agree. I'd love to know why Clark decides to go back on what he said in "Arctic". And, dang it, it'd better be a good reason.

I think it's close to the top, if not at the top. But there are two factors that make me think it might not stick around. First of all, it's expensive to produce. And second, are they going to keep up ratings this season when they've lost a couple of major characters with big fanbases? Or will the ratings sink even more? I guess it depends on a lot of factors, but I really think they ought to see how ratings do before they start counting their chickens, personally.

Not really sure if this is the appropriate thread for these thoughts, but needed to find a place aside from the Spoiler thread...



I don't care if they spin Smallville off to a GA series (I'd actually watch that; although, sitting through more Durance would be really hard on me just to see the JH pretty and cool that is Green Arrow, ugh), but I agree...don't you dare call it "Smallville".

It's bad enough that we have "Smallville" with Lex Luthor, but without Clark Kent? You have to freaking be kidding me with that nonsense.



Personally? I hope she gets her chance to go to Heroes and work with Beeman again :)

Wow. A season 9 and 10 of Smallville?! But without Clark Kent? I'm sorry but thats crazy... In my opinion, it's already gone on too long and the writing just keeps getting worse. Why more? Plus I just can't imagine SV without Tom Welling.

Heres an idea, why not finish this series with a great ending in Season 8. Maybe do a spin-off on one of the characters. But please end Smallville this season.. :/

Lacroix had this to say about Kara and LV's departure:

Well, now, that could be interesting. I would assume if that happened, Lex and Clark would both be keeping his location a secret (otherwise... kidnapping, like done said). Hm...

There was a list that came out in Entertainment Weekly a month or two ago listing the ranking of every show from this season. All of the CW shows were pretty low down on the list but after Friday Night Smackdown (which the CW is losing) and America's Next Top Model, Smallville was the next highest CW show on the list.

If the expense of flying is what killed Kara, then I don't have much hope for Clark doing too much flying either...

Does one flying effect really equal the combined effects of the JL's powers?

I have no idea about the Doctor and Donna, but I always thought that Lois and Clark should have a Hepburn and Tracy kind of vibe. There was an edge to them and a constant back and forth, but always with underlying respect and attraction.

I've also always thought that Lois and Clark worked far better as rivals than partners. It gives much better context to the hostility. Otherwise they just seem bitchy and idiotic, like on Smallville. I'm not really certain how a rivalry between them would make sense though, with Clark being an intern.

I also really love the Golden Age relationship of Lois just being a chick with a horrible temper and Clark being the kind of guy that totally gets off on it, at times even intentionally goading her into outbursts. Somewhere along the line, their personalities became an obstacle instead of something that attracted them to eachother, especially on Smallville, and that's a shame. This Lois and Clark are just such different animals than other versions, and I just can't see them as a happily ever after kind of couple. Attraction sure, because they're attractive people, but not long term.

The rest of the team doesn't really have very impressive, special effects kind of powers. Just Flash and Black Canary, but they could totally focus on BC as a fighter and not use her canary cry much, like in the comics. I suppose doing water stuff for Aquaman could be expensive, but I could see dumping him to recurring character instead of regular. It'd be tough to come up for uses for him every week anyway. All in all, I suspect it would be about equal to dealing with all of Clark's powers, but spread out over different characters.

The bigger questions is, what the hell would they be doing hanging out in Smallville?

Which makes sense, and pretty much the reason we all thought she was gone anyway. But if they're looking for ways to stretch out the series without Tom on a network that appears to cater to teenage girls, why not keep the superpowered teenage girl? Just because Kara can fly doesn't mean she has to every episode. Not only that, but going onward into a possible S9, they'd be able to put all the money that would normally go into Clark's effects into Kara, since she's be the new star of the show. Potentially handing it over to several superpowered/effects required characters doesn't seem to make sense to me, from a financial standpoint.


Oh, I think we'll see Clark fly. The issue with Kara is that it had to be sustained. You can't just have her fly in her first appearance and then never do it again. With Clark, since he hasn't started it yet, they can either save it for the finale, or only do it a couple of times.

YMMV of course, but I didn't see any underying respect between EDLois and Clark until, well ...I honestly tried just now to think of a moment that showed Clark respecting Lois and I have failed, but I do think Lois is shown to have a general "he's an honorable guy" (Reckoning) kind of respect for him and I think Clark has now after a long time included Lois in his list of friends - even if to me they seem to be the most casual friend of a friend type thing. Too much time has gone by for me to accept that they would suddenly see each other in a new light.

I don't think they think the other is hideous (though that might be contradicted by the way Clark looked at her boobies in Exposed) but neither do I think either one of them has ANY desire to be with the other.

I do enjoy relationships with the edge and I'm even fine with open squabbling, but in the cases where I have seen this in the past (where it works), the show (TV program or movie) would make certain to establish to the audience what were the TRUE feelings. At the very least they have shown the the two characters at odds need each other or unconsciously seek the other one out and that's just not the way the Lois/Clark relationship has been portrayed on Smallville.

At this point on Smallville neither elicits any kind of strong reaction from the other and indifference is the farthest any two people can be from love.

I do not want to see Clark's journey stalled for a S9 and S10!
If they want to do a spin-off, that's fine. Don't blame them. Kara would be logical but too much like Clark's journey. I love the idea of Justice League (Clark's off training or whatever) because I really like Ollie, Bart and Cyborg. Aquaman's Ok but they haven't written him as very 3 dimensional yet.

I love AM but I'm wary that her "den Mother Teresa" arc is leading to a spinoff of the Legion of Super Heroes with her as the Lead. The CW might figure that the young'uns in the LoSH might be perfect for their demographic.

Whatever they do I just hope they don't call it Smallville. That show ends when Clark is finished as far as I'm concerned.

This only makes me think that the writers know that nobody else is going to hire them so they're basically trying to stretch out this series as it's their last meal ticket. I mean seriously, damn. Or they're so excited they get to head a show, ANY SHOW, that they don't give a crap what they have to do to remain head.

Run, Tom, run.

I wouldn't worry too much about that. I think AM seems ready to move on from Chloe/SV eventually. Given that her contract renewal was for one year only seems to confirms this. If these people wanted to possibly use AM/Chloe for some kind of spin-off I would think they would have extended her contract beyond this year. I don't see Smallville being possible without TW.

SV without TW would be like if Gillian Anderson and Mitch Pileggi left The X-Files along with Duchovney and they tried to call the Robert Patrick/Annabeth Gish/Cary Elwes show "The X-Files."

Agreed. I mean, how is it even conceivable that this show can continue without the lead? I mean we can handle lack of Lex, can handle less Lana, but with no Clark, there is no story, no Smallville.

I understand if they want to use the smallville time slot and have it approved for 2 more seasons and make it a new show like the Green Arrow Spin off staring JH and ED. But seriously how can they comprehend 2 more seasons without Tom/Clark?

I guess this would be the tragedy they are talking about, Instead of something tragic happening to Clark, it's the story that's tragic, Clark Kent doesn't get to finish out his own story.

If they want to make the GA show then I'm sorry they should just make the GA show with, yes, new sets, new people and all that jazz.

Wow, talk about deluded if they think they think everybody's coming for the writing.

I disagree. IIRC, Clark tried to teach Kara in human customs, no? They could have had Clark explain to Kara that flying is dangerous in terms of being discovered blah blah. And all she'll be doing is following her cousin's rule and protecting her secret. Her lack of flying could have been explained in that way.

What pissed me off is, Kara seems like a wasted character. If we don't get any follow up, just seems a waste to me.

Kara was a wasted character as evidenced by her multi-episode amnesia "arc." I thought it was obvious they liked her for the buzz they got early on in the season but they really had no idea what to do with her after that. I wish they either figured out something better to do or never had her on in the first place.

Kara didn't fly in every episode she was in anyway. But clearly having two Kryptonian's using their powers wasn't in the budget, with her disappearing and power-loss plotlines.

*sigh*.

Kara. I liked her so much. I just hope they bring her back and give her story a resolution.

Should they try and do a season 9 without Clark at least his absence is easy to explain. Just say he's in the Fortress, undergoing his cyber-training from Jor-El. Voila! Clark's out of the picture.

Neither is kidnapping aslong as the person who is kidnapped is a villain (Ollie/Lana).I honestly don't see Lex staying there willingly after he found out about Clark except he got brainwashed.YMMV

Who knows maybe they get TW for some Episodes so they could still call it Smallville.I totally see the producers going there to keep their job.

Since I am one of the people who thinks the show already isnt Smallville anymore I couldn't care less.If they are doing a JLA spin-off you can bet on that they put half of the league in the middle of a love triangle.Such a show needs to be on a different network to be taken seriously.JMHO

Excuse my bluntness, but I wish everyone involved with the network/series would kindly shut the fuck up about a season 9 and 10. Spoiler whore that I am, I can't claim that I don't like to know what's coming with the show, but going into the home stretch of Smallville as it is now, I really don't want to know where S8 will ultimately leave us. And considering how much advance information about the show is leaked, I'm afraid of the finale being ruined via talk of who'll be passed the torch, whether it's Nois, GA, Kara, Chloe, etc. Because if TW is out, whoever's left behind is going to say a lot about where Clark is at when he finally goes off to...uh, well, do exactly what he's doing now, but with tights. Guess I should start looking for a large rock now.

To me this sums up Clark/Lois friendship other then the brother sister vibe. I mean, if they get any closer IMHO it's forming an honest friendship. I just, there is no development between Clois IMHO.

If the interviews from Comic con are true and Clois are closer IMHO it's a lightswitch/ rushed development.

Look at the end of season 7, they shared their first scene in a long time in APocalypse, he was using the computer to look up something. And that inspired Lois to suggest to Clark that he should work at the DP? Really?

Also there is Chloe in the mix. IMHO the worst thing they ever did was make Chloe and Lois cousins. Especially if they had the intention that Chloe survived the explosion. I still can't believe they had them flirting over Chloe's grave in the episode, it's just wrong.

I can handle a Clois friendship but no way I can stomach a romance between them. It'll just be a lightswitch and frankly I want a reason to at this point Like Clark Kent and Superman later on.

I also hope that the DP will be redeemed, cause right now the message is, Lois and Clark only were successful there cause the Planet lowered it's standards.

Totally appropriate. It's speculating about future seasons. They said at Comic-Con that they wanted to keep going with the show, so it's not a spoiler.

The thing with Kara "flying" is an excuse I don't buy, because it would have been EASY to de-power the character.

I just think they kind of wrote themselves into a corner with the character being so alien and unrelatable; at no fault of Laura V.'s, who I thought did a great job in the role.

I'd like to see SV end and morph into a Green Arrow series (even if it's called "Star City"). Maybe Lois would come along, maybe the Canary could (Alaina would love to do it)... and if the Tess character takes off, I can see her moving on as well.

And I would be totally up for the new ride, but I'm terrified that they will never resolve this current story. I can see them sending Clark off to train at the new Fortress, leaving Metropolis in the hands of a disfunctional JL. AM would probably not resign and so her character either ends up dead, studying in Tibet or at best, living among the Eskimo's (way up in the Arctic).

I say to the showrunner, fine, use Smallville to make your pilot episode, but set it up so that it isn't Smallville or Metropolis. Let logic and good story telling dictate for once in your lives and promise to finish this show and THEN move on. Do that and I'm sure plenty of us will be foolish enough to follow. Try to stretch this any longer and believe me, everyone's going to bolt, IMO.

The talk of Season 9 is much more frightening to me than any of the Clois hints. Just the mention of it makes me re-examine my descision to stick it out.

So I assume one of the writers or producers read the Death of Superman trade when they were coming up with the Doomsday idea for the season.

So my question would be, did they see Maxima and think 'Hey, here's a cool throwaway super hero chick DC would let us use! Clark can be scared of her boobies!' or are they actually going to use her to further the Doomsday arc, given her role in the actual storyline?

If this were any other show, I don't care how terrible, I wouldn't doubt for a second that it meant something. This is Smallville, home of wasted opportunities.

Prove me wrong, PS3. Please.

In all seriousness, I really do hope they do something to further the actual plot in Maxima's episode, especially since she canonically plays into the Doomsday story.

IA. I personally think that keeping a comatose or brainwiped/brainwashed Lex hidden somewhere is pushing the ethical limit for Clark. The only way that Clark knowing where Lex is seems plausible to me is if Lex is keeping himself hidden, and Clark knows where but keeps it secret because... I dunno.

Clark does seem confused when Oliver demands to know where Lex is in the preview. I dunno if that's because he's lost his memory and powers (again), or if he's surprised Oliver came for Lex, though.

The talk about Lana's returning at "a very bad time for Clark" makes me think she going to interrupt Clark's next progression to "whomever". There's too much winking the hint. Besides Lana is traditionally Clark's LI, so, not sure what else she up to.

I hope this means Clark gets motivated to kick her ass.

Oh, absolutely. He's going to be about to kiss someone (either Chloe or EDLois-- they're teasing both, so it's hard to guess who it'll be at this point), and she's going to walk in and stare at him with big hurt eyes. I can't see them playing it any other way.

Would it be evil for me to say, I hope it's Chloe? If it is, I hope Chloe goes apeshit on Lana/Clark. I've posted before, they'll tease Chlark and then pull them apart. I dunno, putting on obstacle before Clark's love interest is the predictable build up of his romances.

Based on the present spoilers, that seems slightly more likely to me. It seems more likely with the stuff we've haard about so far, which seems to set up Chloe vs. Lana once again.



Yes, that's typical for them. I think a lot of folks figured she'd get in the way of a new love interest even before PS3 hinted at it. That's just how they write things.

But she has short hair, she's lost her powers. How can she win? Oh wait, it might still be shiney.

If Clark is into Chloe then that won't be a problem.
I'm sure it's chloe. Especially since Lana applies to the Fever letter, and to really fulfill that is to have him chose Chloe over Lana to prove he grew out of her. But then of course, with the short hair, one could say he doesn't love her anymore cause her hair isn't long.


I wouldn't be surprised if Chlimmy ends in either 8-5 (considering the episode is titled Committed meaning there "was a commitment") or 8-6 and Clark asks Chloe out on a date, and such not to start Chlark up immediately just to acknowledge when Chloe's ready they'll start you know? But Lana shows up, and Chloe sees how Lana is back, hell I'd wouldn't put it past them to have Lana kiss Clark and have Chloe see them again and head out. And here comes Chloom.

I think it's interesting that in their interview, the producers tried to equate short hair with "grownup," considering that Chloe's always had the short hair, and has always been one of the more mature characters on the show, IMHO. Of course they can't help that KK cut her hair-- but they could always have put her in extensions or a wig if they'd really wanted to.



Yep. It's one or the other, I feel certain. Clark tries to kiss his new love interest and is interrupted by Lana, or Lana kisses him and the new love interest sees it and runs away.

Isn't the Fever letter still considered a spoiler?

CW Source asked AM about it in Comic Con, she said it comes back in the next episode they'll film. It's in the script for the next episode implying only the first three episodes are filmed at this point/ working on the fourth. And Tension said anything from Comic con isn't considered a spoiler. IIRC. I'll add tags if it would be appropriate.

I didn't realize it was part of a CW interview, my mistake. :-)