Well, it's Geoff Johns writing, and while I know nothing about the Legion from the comics, I suspect it would be like whatever era it is that he has been using as the template for the Legion that has been popping up in the JLA/JSA "Lightning Saga" and Action Comics "Superman and the Legion of Superheroes" story arcs he's recently done in those comics.

Enh. Both those arcs left me pretty cold.

I would dig it if they brought back Kara and had her go into the future with the Legion though. That would be a perfect resolution for the character, since we won't be getting her back full time.

And parts 5 and 6 of the Comic Con panel:

Part 5

Part 6

That's a fantastic idea for what to do with Kara. If they just leave her in the Phantom Zone, I will be so pissed.

Well, I loved "Superman and the Legion of Superheroes," but that may have had more to do with the gorgeous Gary Frank art. I did like the story too though. "Lightning Saga" was an absolute mess.

I'd love to take credit for the idea, but it's what ends up happening to Kara/Supergirl in Justice League Unlimited and it was just perfect and made so much sense.

Oh, I know. She also spent some time with the Legion in the comics, but I wouldn't have thought of it as a way of writing her off of Smallville, so I give you credit for that.

BTW, that episode of JLU is on Boomerang right now, and speaking of JLU, I'm kinda bitter that we never got any Kara/Green Arrow interaction.

Didn't they have a little bit in Initiation?

That's the first episode of JLU, right? I meant on Smallville. They had a ton of interaction on JLU, and it was fun.

Say what?! Welling's found his calling now that Clark's hanging around with Dopey at the DP and no doubt being insulted and dragged along for wacky hijinks? WTFever. Way to dream, dude.

I know I'll watch to the bitter end, so I can't say I'm out, but I will admit that I'm thoroughly confused. Spoilers seem to contradict interviews. I'm still getting the sense that there's a stall here and something big is coming later, but I don't know what. I'm not sure what to think of the comment about Chlark trying to figure out if they're friends or in love or whatever. I guess whatever happens, there'll be some sort of agreement despite underlying feelings just to keep things less awkward and that situation will be put to rest until at least the end of the season. Can't see why it's being played up now just to can it for good. I don't know. I said after "Arctic" that I'm going to try and stay away from the spoilers (and these types of detailed interviews), as they are really infringing on my enjoyment of the show.

Ah. But SV!GA and SV!Kara aren't nearly as awesome as JLU!GA and JLU!Supergirl. JLU!GA is the man.

This is very true. It's because JLU!GA has a beard.

So much! She seems so awesome!

Word to both that being a good idea, and being pissed if they just leave here there.

SV!GA has one too. We call her "Lois." Though the current beard is called "Black Canary."

And yes, Cassidy is hilarious... it's as if someone cloned Michael Rosenbaum, took away the farting but kept the sense of humor, and then changed the gender.

Let's just hope her character is half as awesome as his.

Or, you know, that she is Lex with a sex change and more hair. Heh.

Speaking of possibilities for Tess... I'm fascinated by the red hair. It's a very Luthor trait (with Lillian and Lex both being redheads) and it seems like they specifically made her hair darker and redder for the role. So... Is she really a Luthor? Another sibling, perhaps?

Ha! :D

I just hope, if she is even half-awesome, that we get to see them interacting at least once before all is said and done.

Yeah, I think I just saw this. I'm not sure if you're still looking for it, but I think this is it? At Kryptonsite.

Watching the comic-con clip, I have plenty of hope. She doesn't need to find inner strength, she has it and IMO can definitely play a strong woman without any baggage.

I used that have the theory that Lex next clonning project will be his mother (making the ideal family and the only one that never "really" betrayed him was her) and she was an off/on redhead so I like the idea but then again she looks nothing like Lillian so is not likely that she is (unless they retcon Lillian's apperance like they did the hair wich is not beyond this show)

How about Lex clonning himself and adding and extra X to her genetic make up?
That will be cool because Clexers will get their payoff and at this point is kind of logic that Lex only trust on himself at this point.

Cloned Female!Lex is a good one. That's creepy and Clexy at the same time.

Also, good one Craig. I love the GA but he does seem a little, ahem, swishy sometimes, doesn't he?

It's a requirement of being on Smallville.

As awesomely Clexy as Cloned female Lex would be, it would be even more creepy if she was originally created to be the ideal mate for Lex. "She's me! She has to love me!" Of course, she would despise him because of Lex's deep seeded self loathing.

Are we ignoring the obvious possibilitity that's she's Lillian for any particular reason? Just curious.

I pretty much instantly fell in love watching that ComicCon clip, but then immediately realized this is Smallville and became suspicious. I loved the thing she said about finding her inner stregnth, since it's not just, "I have to be evil! Tess is so baaaad!" It seems to me like she's playing her character as a character, not as a stock villain, which I think is so great. Lex would leave his company to someone like Gina, someone who believes in the mission. I think CF could play that really well.

And for the record, IMO, half as awesome as Lex still makes a damn good character.

That would be awesome.

If she has some sort of mysterious past with Oliver, I don't see how she could be a Lillian clone, or in fact, any clone, unless she was made by Lionel, not Lex. That's why I brought up the sibling thing. I read an interview with Souders and Peterson a while back in SV Mag where they talked about liking Lucas a lot, and so I thought they might bring back the concept, if not the actual character.

Kristin Kreuk chopped off her hair.

And now we know why Clana will end when she comes back. Meanwhile, EDLois' is getting darker, maybe shinier. It's destiny!



Maybe she's Lena Thorul. And Lex found out about her in OffScreenville and told her to take care of Luthorcorp in the event of his being buried under ice dildos.

[Hyperventilates] YES! OMG YES! SMALLVILLE is the Meteor Freak Capitol of America, so it would be the perfect adopted hometown for a newly escaped demon. Do it's Evil Do and blame it on the locals. Bwahahaha! Wouldn't it be ironic for Clark to think he's saving a Meteor Freak from being killed by two hoods (Sam and Dean) and he lets a demon get away? Or maybe Sam and Dean mistake Clark for a demon because of his powers? Even Bigger BWAHAHAHA!

Who was it that wheeled and dealed in paranormal artifacts? Bela? Suppose back when Lex was Indiana Lex looking for the Stones he bought something from her, and Sam and Dean needed the item and tracked the sale to Lex? I see the potential for lots of stories there. Now where's my oxygen tank?

Dude, if we get a SPN/SV crossover, I'll be shocked as shit. Mostly because I think that Kripke would laugh his ass off at the idea of involving his project with the likes of SV's sinking ship (tho it could be a CW call and not his). Regardless, it's absolutely an awesome idea...could possibly be a 2-hr special, or maybe keep it split into an hour each, retaining the separate POVs from each show. Chlark can walk around wondering why that Dean fellow looks so familiar. Dean can bullshit about how he used to know a football player that reminds him of Clark. Aren't the Winchesters from Kansas too? Chlean fic writers are no doubt wetting themselves at this possibility. Could be fun mid-season filler for both shows!

JH's interview about the GA questioning his destiny because of all the things he's missed out on has me a bit nervous. I hope he's not thinking about hanging up his leather chaps so he can be with Lois. That'd just be sickening.

Maybe he thinks about hanging up his leather chaps so he can run for mayor. Then he realizes that that's stupid. He can totally be both. Then he legalizes gay marriage and Clark gets all sad because Lex is gone and he has no one to marry.

If only. Replace "run for mayor" with "drink and womanize" and "Lex" with "Lana" and I think you're pretty much on target. Though either one gets Ollie closer to his comic book counterpart. (Why does legalizing gay marriage remind Clark of Lana you ask? Because everything reminds Clark of Lana.)

You're right. It's time that man started fathering some illegitimate kids. It's cannon.

Funny because all this time when we complained about Smallville not having enough organic development, when they finally give us something organic they had to go and take it literally.

BTW KK looks so different with such short cropped hair. IMO she looks better with the longer locks but live and let live I say.

Why would it be laughable? SV's ratings are higher than SPN's, and even if they traded timeslots (since I know Supernatural is in a competitive slot) I'm sure SPN still wouldn't match Smallville's levels.

I seriously doubt SPN would hit Season 8, and from everything I've read Kripke's a cool guy and wouldn't go around mocking or laughing at anyone else's stuff.

Me, I really like the idea (even though it'll never happen) mostly because even though I want to, I can't get into Supernatural and a cross-over might get me interested. That, and I really liked Jensen on SV, even though Jason Teague had no direction.

(Maybe the Winchesters are Genevieve's ancestors... err descendants... err whatever Jane Seymour got wrong)

Don't get me wrong--I'm a big SPN fan so I'd thoroughly enjoy a crossover ep. Personally though, I find SPN to be the superior project, in just about every way. SV was a quality show at one point, but the past few seasons have suffered greatly from terrible writing, budgeting issues, production problems...the producers pretty much lost control of the show in the aftermath of the strike and casting/contract issues. Forget the embarrassing product placement overload. I get that SV has better ratings, but to me that isn't reason for Kripke to want (or not want) to associate his project with it. And of course I wouldn't expect him (and yes, I know him to be a diplomatic guy as well) to openly scoff at the idea at all...but just to be frank, SNL, quality-wise, is on a different level than SV. I also don't think that SNL is exactly hurting for ratings, though it may not be as popular as SV.

Also I don't want the boys to fall in love with the women on the show . . . mostly because I don't want to end up hating the boys for ending up in some horrible love triangles and utterly humiliating themselves in the process. Also not interested in seeing them beat up or acting psychotic over Lana. So frankly . . . I piss on that idea.

Yeh I think a crossover would be kinda cool.

BTW Craig I read in an interview with Kripke that they only plan to do 5 seasons anyways. He seemed very sure about ending it there.

I think it would only be amusing if it was Clark crossing over by himself and getting the snot kicked out of him by demons and the brothers are really suspicious of him for almost the entire time and wanting to know why the hell he can do all the crap he's doing without being denigrated as being EVOL for actually asking some good hard questions.

He said that at ComicCon as well, along with saying that he wanted the show to go out strong without having to go into convoluted, silly plots.

Kripke, I love you.

*Sigh* At the SV panel when he said Oliver was going to question what he was doing and why, here I thought he was going to have some revelation about the nature of heroism and learn that some of his actions were dangerous, and that destroying Lex is not the only thing a hero should do.

Silly me.

After re-watching part of the Comic Con trailer, I just realized when Clark is at the DP and puts on the name tag (while wearing the flannel shirt) he then puts his hands on his hips in the whole "dum da da dum...I am Superman!" way if you know what I mean...Cute. :-)

I pray to the TV Gods that this will be so. Please no Lana for sweeps. The Winchesters and Kent instead. Won't it be something if Lionel Luthor is an escaped soul from Hell? I'd LOVE to see the look of shock on Clark's face for THAT!

If any human soul could ever be devious enough to escape from Hell it would be Lionel Luthor.

On a deeply personal note, I have to say I was distressed by the interview where PS3 said they wouldn't do Clark on heroin. Because, pretty much I think that's more or less what the Flana is. Oh well, I don't believe them anyhow.

By this time last year we already had Kara promos. So where are my Tess and Doomsday promos dammit?

I need something to keep me going now that the buzz from Comic Con is gone.

On another note, I stumbled across this quote from an Al interview from last year:



I guess PS3 didn't get the memo.

The way everything is playing out thus far, I'm speculating that at the end of the season we will - for absolute sure - have one of two things happen. If the show is renewed for a 9th Season (God Forbid) then we will see the epic Clark/Doomsday fight during the finale with the last scene being Clark lying dead on the street somewhere. If the show is not renewed then we will see Chloe lying dead on the street after bringing Clark back to life. But I'm betting one of those two people die in the finale. I still say killing Chloe is the only way they can make emotionally acceptable room for a future Clois romance. Otherwise, a large chunk of the audience will not be happy with it. And I do think PS3 want the fans to accept their outcome for the series. Right now that's how it's setting up, as best I can tell.

I think a large chunk of fans will be disappointed regardless. While the Chlark fanbase may be the most vocal, they aren't the only strong fanbase. And I have serious doubts that they are the largest, so someone is going to be disappointed either way.

So they admit that Lois and Clark have had a brother/sister relationship, promise "romantic banter" and yet also say:



I just can't reconcille how they are going to keep the same Lois and Clark vibe (which was Brother/Sister) and still deliver "romantic banter." I have a feeling their definition of "romantic banter" is going to greatly differ from mine.

Romantic banter between Clark and Lois means T&A and that's just so lame.They can't do 'real' Clois so they're coming up with this nonsense.

So Tom and Erica had to work on Sunday?I'd think if they are so excited with the new direction the producers wanted them to show that on Comic Con.Whatever.

Moving to Spoilers Discussion thread--sorry Tennison!

Nat, you need to remember Smallville rule #2. (Rule number#1 is Lana must be loved.)

Sadly, the writers forget about Clark enough that he does not get a rule.

The Speculation Without Spoilers thread is the only thread you can't mention spoilers in, even with tags. It's the whole "Without Spoilers" thing. I'll add a note to the pinned post.

Word. I truly don't know how people who've always been depicted as brother&sister can suddenly have a romantic vibe.
In Lois&Clark, the sparks've been flying from the very beginning and the chemestry between TH&DC was great. Plus, THLois&DCClark were intelligent, witty and passionate which allowed them to have good banter. When they were fighting against each other, it was funny and enjoyable because they were both smart. I can't see intelligence in EDLois' eyes. Not even a spark...

About a SPN crossover:



As much as I love SV (I've been watching it, every single episode, from the very beginning... even when I was screaming at my screen!), it's very cheesy and you truly can't compare it to the SPN universe which is very dark and which in its worst episode can never, in my mind, be put on the same level as the best SV episode. It's not about the ratings, it's about the universe, the mythology. It's like crossing the XFiles with SV. If you think the SV fandom is difficult to deal with, try SPN. Lana and Lois would have been squashed by the fans, they wouldn't have lasted a single season in SPN cause in this show, the writers actually listen to the fans and aren't afraid to say that they've done a mistake.
I can only see one character who IMO would fit in the SPN universe for one or two ep : Chloe hearing about something paranormal. But she would have to be a lot darker and then, the minute Clark would come to rescue her it would become cheesy. So she would have to fight for herself or wait for the brothers to rescue (which is not very Chloe-like...). Not really a crossover then...

You know what I'm sick of? Every show mentioning Moonlighting as the standard for sexual tension and banter.

Come up with a new example! Hell, even a more recent one!

Personally, I thought Remington Steele did a fantastic job of sexual tension, especially because both characters were smart and competent. Not to mention Lois and Clark.

Now that I think about it, maybe that's why they're saying it's Moonlighting. Maddie never really had a handle on what was going on.

The thing is I hate stories where guys LIKE keeping the woman in the dark or attracted to a woman so easily fooled. It's grosser than a Cleveland Steamer. Would people find it funny if a man tricked a woman into putting on a blindfold and sleeping with another man to keep his secret? I mean how far is TOO far? I sure as hell wouldn't want Tony to pull crap like that with Pepper.

There are some anime based on "they hate each other but really do like each other" like Ranma 1/2 where Ranma & Akane spend their time claiming to dislike each other, fend off other love interests but it's done with a sense of humor. It's also presented as a comedy. There's also Urusei Yatsura where the girl loves the guy who's always horny (and I mean this) for other girls who find him utterly repulsive and stupid (which he sadly is) but it's also played for laughs and the supporting staff get to have a lot of goofy stories devoted to them.

For something actually halfway decent in the "they hate each other but like each other" there is Beatrice & Benedict in one of the Shakespeare plays but it helps they're both a good match for each other and it's their friends setting them up not each other. Also, there's the leads in Pride & Prejudice where they DO get to know each other and THAT'S why they get together, not because one is lightswitched into wanting to put TAB A into SLOT B.