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SueB
Lois was already at the DP in season 7 with Chloe.


Yes, but Chloe outshines her. And no, I don't care what the guy who slept with Lois thought.

As Lois herself said in Kara, she's "no Chloe Sullivan". Because of that, when they bring Clark in to the Daily Planet, that had to get rid of Chloe or Clark would never interact with Lois, just Chloe. It's unambiguous, they dropped Chloe to make room for Lois to have interaction with Clark at the Daily Planet.

IA they have spent the last year undermining Chloe at the Daily Planet --- again, the purpose of which was to make Lois be the only person (besides) Jimmy to talk to at the Daily Planet. It wasn't organic to her character. This is the character who's opening credits show her entering in triumph, box in hand, into the Daily Planet. Lois Lane is currently no where near the reporter Chloe was in high school let alone on the Daily Planet staff. Sure, she'll get there, but in the meantime they need to destroy Chloe's character so she doesn't look so bad.
RepairmanBob
I'm sure that Chloe will still be helping Clark and the JL in season 8. However, unless Chloe was going to miraculously wake up one morning and not be a meteor freak, I think it's natural for Chloe to finally embrace who she is. We started to see this in season 7 when she wanted to use her meteor power even though it could kill her and I guess this is going to be taken to another level in season 8.
If Chloe is going to be all about her ToS powers, helping random meteor freaks and being too mad / scared to go back to the Daily Planet... then she's not Chloe, IMO. She may be some other character played by AM, who looks like Chloe, but she is not the character I enjoyed watching on Smallville.

Chloe was a reporter with MF powers for 1 1/2 season - why does that need to change now? Why is she suddenly defined by her powers? The meta here, that Chloe is "finding herself" and completely changing her goals in life at exactly the same time Clois start working together at the Daily Planet, is overpowering. IMO, this is not organic storytelling - it is the Smallville Contrivance Theory at its worst.

Quite frankly, I could not give a crap about the ToS. Based on how much screen time was given to Chloe mastering her abilities last year, neither could the writers. If Chloe is suddenly all about ISIS and deciding to give up her core character attributes (being a journalist) so she can be the Mother Teresa of the Meteor Freak community... well, to me she's not Chloe anymore. She's not even Borg!Chloe. She's Chloe 2.0. AM may do a darn fine job with this new character, but I don't have a lot of interest sticking around to find out. YMMV.
CantThinkUpName
Because she has been given a gift in life and she intends to use it? I guess Chloe could ignore the fact that she is a meteor freak and continue along as if nothing has changed but I just don't think that's the case with Chloe's character, nor do I expect that to be the case.
Why do the two need to be mutually exclusive? Why must she choose between a) use meteor abilities or b) be a journalist?
Fos32
If Chloe is going to be all about her ToS powers, helping random meteor freaks and being too mad / scared to go back to the Daily Planet... then she's not Chloe, IMO.


Then I guess Clark is not Clark then because Clark Kent this season is supposed to embrace his destiny and likely get past his feelings for Lana. I have to admit that the first episode we see Clark not wanting Lana, I could say the same thing about his character that you just said about Chloe since Clark has wanted Lana all series long and hasn't had many girls along the way that have distracted him from wanting Lana, like the JL/Clark's secret/being a meteor freak has distracted Chloe away from journalism, but YMMV.

Chloe was a reporter with MF powers for 1 1/2 season - why does that need to change now? Why is she suddenly defined by her powers?


I think it's a combination of things. She has saved people in the past which must make her feel good as a person. She has also weakened and nearly destroyed Brainiac. I'm not saying that I like the fact that Chloe is a meteor freak, but it seems as though her powers are playing a more important role in who her character is as time goes on. I'd have to assume that this is going to continue into season 8.

Why do the two need to be mutually exclusive? Why must she choose between a) use meteor abilities or b) be a journalist?


There's a couple of answers to that. If she decides to run the Isis foundation and help meteor freaks, that would obviously have to eliminate journalism from Chloe's life because she can't work at two places at once. Also, if she's going to be actively using her meteor ability or if her meteor ability does end up changing her, remember Brainiac's "what are you?" line hinting that there might be more to her ability than we know about currently, continuing to work as a journalist should be the last thing that she does because it puts her in the spotlight publically. I could understand Chloe wanting to remain more low key and out of that spotlight, unless she is able to take on a double identity like Clark.
Massena1
Quite frankly, I could not give a crap about the ToS. Based on how much screen time was given to Chloe mastering her abilities last year, neither could the writers. If Chloe is suddenly all about ISIS and deciding to give up her core character attributes (being a journalist) so she can be the Mother Teresa of the Meteor Freak community... well, to me she's not Chloe anymore. She's not even Borg!Chloe. She's Chloe 2.0. AM may do a darn fine job with this new character, but I don't have a lot of interest sticking around to find out. YMMV.


Bob - ITA. I think the most annoying part of this is the implication that she has no appreciation for just how amazing and awesome she was without the TOS. She was already amazing without them. The meteor powers add nothing to her. Her thirst to expose the truth in her writing as a journalist and her journey to become a good journalist was much more exciting and thrilling a journey than anything they can do with some powers that she didn't earn. Chloe worked for every step she took in journalism. Nothing was given to her. She did it through her own determination, intelligence and free will.

These powers are foreign to her. She wasn't born with them and they do not suit her. It isn't who she is. And I don't want her to want to change. I want her to like who she has been the way I have.

She has saved people in the past which must make her feel good as a person.


And that right there is the BS I am talking about. She doesn't need to save people with her powers to feel good about herself. I believed she felt good about herself because she worked on her stories and she is a good writer and she believed that what she was doing was important. Some people are smart enough to be doctors or professors. Both are good and worthy professions. They contribute in different ways. Let's say they could be either a good doctor or an exceptional professor. To me, don't pick being a doctor unless it is where your passion lies, even though there is an argument to be made that saving lives is more vital than teaching students. Nope. To me, you should follow who you are and what you love and Chloe has always loved journalism. We saw her love it as a child in "Progeny" we've seen her *giddy* following stories and writing up mock headline as in "Vengeance." That is her passion, not helping take care of other people. If that had been her passion, we would have seen her take to it earlier.

Clark has always rescued people, even as a child he protected Pete from bullies. That is what he is drawn towards even if he hasn't acknowledged it himself. Likewise, Chloe is drawn towards journalism. It makes her happy. We've *seen* how it makes her happy. She has nothing to be feel guilty about in staying with her passion, with what makes her happy, even if another path is open to her because she was already doing something important and worthwhile.
EllyF
Why do the two need to be mutually exclusive? Why must she choose between a) use meteor abilities or b) be a journalist?


Exactly. Why not? Clark is going to be both superpowered and a journalist. Why must Chloe choose? I think the answer is obvious-- it's a lame way of getting her out of the Planet, because she outshines EDLois on every freakin' level and makes her look all too much like the tabloidesque, boss-humping, incompetent journalist she is. YMMV.
PolarB
There's a couple of answers to that. If she decides to run the Isis foundation and help meteor freaks, that would obviously have to eliminate journalism from Chloe's life because she can't work at two places at once. Also, if she's going to be actively using her meteor ability or if her meteor ability does end up changing her

This I have to agree with, and pretty much everything else you've been saying, Fos32. They've been pushing Chloe in this direction for a while now. I remember many of us calling Chloe taking over Isis permanently the second it happened in S7, so it's not utterly out of the blue for it to continue into S8. I also don't think they're completely ruling out Chloe ever returning to the DP or reporting ever, either. As Peterson (I think) said at the panel, they're just breaking 8x05. I doubt Allison knows what Chloe's going to be doing in 8x06 let alone 8x22.
EllyF
I also don't think they're completely ruling out Chloe ever returning to the DP or reporting ever, either. As Peterson (I think) said at the panel, they're just breaking 8x05. I doubt Allison knows what Chloe's going to be doing in 8x06 let alone 8x22.


This, I agree with. AM is not a writer, and she is probably basing her comments on the first two or three episodes. I'd like to know what the writers think. With any luck, maybe we'll get some insight on that at the CW Source eventually.
FreddyO
Her thirst to expose the truth in her writing as a journalist and her journey to become a good journalist was much more exciting and thrilling a journey than anything they can do with some powers that she didn't earn. Chloe worked for every step she took in journalism. She did it. Nothing was given to her. She did it through her own determination, intelligence and free will.


Wow! That's a fantastic point, Massena. I had never thought of it that way, but I agree with you all the way. When you have to fight for something, or strive and work hard for something, it makes for great storytelling. But to just have something thrust on you really doesn't have the same impact. Chloe worked hard to make herself a great journalist. That's what made the ending to THIRST so fabulous, while Nois's entrance into the Planet fell so far short. And now, to reverse all of that just so the writers can play the "Lois & Clark" card - well, it's just sad to me. Really sad.
Firebunny
I also don't think they're completely ruling out Chloe ever returning to the DP or reporting ever, either. As Peterson (I think) said at the panel, they're just breaking 8x05. I doubt Allison knows what Chloe's going to be doing in 8x06 let alone 8x22.
If there are any competant writers on the staff (and really, that's doubtful) they will most definitely get Chloe back to the DP.

If the point was to move her on from journalism than they should have had her quit the DP, not get fired. It could have been the same kind of scene, but as Lex presses Chloe for information reminding her he's her boss she ups and quits and walks out. Then it was Chloe's choice to leave the DP, to leave journalism.

The fact that they had Lex fire her (when they could have so easily had her quit) sets up her return to the Planet. The writers know that. Well, if they have any idea how to build a narrative they know that.

But again, that's highly doubtful.

Smallville sucks.
Fos32
And that right there is the BS I am talking about. She doesn't need to save people with her powers to feel good about herself. I believed she felt good about herself because she worked on her stories and she is a good writer and she believed that what she was doing was important.


Agreed, but that doesn't mean that something else can't come along and make her feel even better as a person, IMO. Chloe is not some 35 year old woman set in her career. She's still young and events can still impact her life and who she is. YMMV.

Clark has always rescued people, even as a child he protected Pete from bullies.


True, but he still wanted to be a normal kid and date Lana. Over the course of the series, his thoughts have changed regarding these things based on certain events that have taken place. As a result, he has grown into and is still growing into the person that he will become in the future. I just don't understand why Clark can move past his feelings for Lana and his desire to be normal and Chloe can't move past her desire to be a journalist based on new things that are introduced into her life, like her meteor ability and what she can bring to the table as a potential member of the JL.
Independent
Who she is is a journalist


I guess that's where we disagree because I think a journalist is someone who Chloe was in the past, but that has slowly been stripped away in recent seasons once she found out Clark's secret, became a meteor freak, got involved with the JL...etc

I need to see a legitimate reason her journalistic passion goes bye-bye.
Because she has been given a gift in life and she intends to use it? I guess Chloe could ignore the fact that she is a meteor freak and continue along as if nothing has changed but I just don't think that's the case with Chloe's character, nor do I expect that to be the case. YMMV.

Fos32 beat me to it.

After Chloe's latest 18-hr coma, she says to Clark: "As great as this power is, it does come with a lot of consequences. And I think that one of the responsibilities for both of us is . . staying alive. Maybe I am pushing my luck with this whole death thing. And it is death, after all. Clark: "Does this mean you're never going to use your abilities again?" Chloe: "It means I'm more confused now than ever. Out of the entire catalog of meteor abilities, why was I the one chosen to be in charge of such an amazing gift?"

Surely such an astounding change in life circumstance would stop anyone in their tracks. At first, Chloe wanted to rid herself of the MF curse through brain surgery, and now we see her analyzing the situation and calling it a gift that comes with responsibilities. No one with a brain would just go about their normal routine as if nothing miraculous had happened.

I personally don't think that we'll continue to get Pod!Chloe this season, even if she elects to stay with Jimmy. Her investigative powers, combined with ambition, chutzpah and an ability to nurture, would serve well in whatever life path she chooses. There's more than one way to make a valuable contribution to the world, and while we've seen her passion for journalism and desire for a Pulitzer, I, for one, can see her expanding her horizons, now that she has these talents, to envision a unique role that would aid in the advancement of mankind -- something more global in nature.
EllyF
I just don't understand why Clark can move past his feelings for Lana and his desire to be normal and Chloe can't move past her desire to be a journalist based on new things that are introduced into her life.


But Clark's desire to be normal vs. heroism has always been a theme of the show. When have we seen Chloe express a desire to help the meteor infected, or to dedicate herself to healing and mentoring them? We've seen her express a desire to bring the truth to the people over and over again, and we've seen her working hard to hold onto her reporting job. But we haven't seen her shifting her focus to helping the meteor affected. That was Lana's gig last year (although the jury's out on whether she was actually helping them), but it wasn't Chloe's, not even after she started working at Isis. They dropped one line late in the season that she was working with Lana's clients, but from context it was pretty clear that she was lying to Jimmy to cover up her real activities there. And one line still doesn't make a massive shift in the character organic, IMHO.

Surely such an astounding change in life circumstance would stop anyone in their tracks.


Perhaps. But again, why does that mean she must give up journalism? Why can't she continue to pursue her oldest and deepest passion?
Memphis1
I think it’s pretty commonplace to change what you want to do with your life by the time you are 23-24. All my life I wanted to be a lawyer or a journalist and I was passionate about both, but suddenly I discovered a new gift by surprise and now all I want to do is teach. I agree with those that said they actually have been moving Chloe in this direction for a while now. They made it especially clear in Fracture IMO. Chloe seemed to, for the first time, totally embrace her responsibility, her gift. Now, I agree that doesn't mean she can't do journalism anymore; I think she actually will, but if she doesn't, I don't think its that farfetched.
CantThinkUpName
I also don't think they're completely ruling out Chloe ever returning to the DP or reporting ever, either. As Peterson (I think) said at the panel, they're just breaking 8x05. I doubt Allison knows what Chloe's going to be doing in 8x06 let alone 8x22.
I agree. But all we can do is offer our thoughts and displeasure as to the information we have. And from the quote and our individual readings of Chloe's character, that's where our bitterness and confusion comes from.

Agreed, but that doesn't mean that something else can't come along and make her feel even better as a person, IMO. Chloe is not some 35 year old woman set in her career. She's still young and events can still impact her life and who she is. YMMV.
Yes but I still don't see that as meaning an end to journalism, especially for Chloe. Personally I find it almost depressing that after years of working so hard for journalism, she's almost forced into this nuturing role. Yes, it might make her "feel good" but the circumstances behind it is unnatural, IMO. For me to believe that her being Mommy Meteor Freak is her new passion, I need to see that twinkle in the eye I saw in Thirst, walking into the DP.

And, like Firebunny said, why didn't she just quit the DP instead of being unfairly fired.
kenm
When have we seen Chloe express a desire to help the meteor infected, or to dedicate herself to healing and mentoring them?


This is the part that pisses me off. Why are we having to fanwank this? If they are going to change a character's fundamental nature, why are we having to guess about it? As late as Hero (aka Stride), working at the Daily Planet is Chloe's "dream job". Two episodes later, no explanation, and she's content to devote her life to helping the downtrodden?

Balderdash! Even Lionel's change of heart was better explained than that. The freaking Fake Baby was better explained than that.

Since we're fanwanking, I am sticking to my favourite: Clark changed reality by traveling to the past. Season Eight is happening in a different timeline than the one we know. It is the only way this will ever make sense to me.
FreddyO
Perhaps. But again, why does that mean she must give up journalism? Why can't she continue to pursue her oldest and deepest passion?


The answer to your question is what's upsetting me the most. We both know it's a plot contrivance to move Nois & Clark closer together at the DP. If I thought for one moment there was another reason for the shift in character direction it wouldn't sting so much. But it's just so obvious to me. YMMV.

Oh, and I think all reasonable people would agree that folks can change directions in their life. That's fairly normal in the real world. Problem is Smallville isn't the real world! It's a tv show. And there are basic points in storytelling that defy "normal" life. One of those is that when you emphasize the passion of a person on a television series, show them working towards that passion, show them fulling the beginnings of that passion in a grand way (i.e. THIRST) - you follow through! That's good storytelling. Lightswitching people out of long established passions isn't, IMHO.
Massena1
that doesn't mean that something else can't come along and make her feel even better as a person


I don't believe in this. People have certain personality types. They are formed at a young age and are pretty much set for life. There are nurturers who are people who get a sense of happiness/accomplishment from helping other people. These people often become nurses, social workers, teachers. Helping people makes them happy. There are other people who enjoy working in abstracts much more. They like to tinker with gadgets. It fascinates them. That makes them happy. What you are not likely to ever find is a man like Bill Gates finding happiness working in an old folks home feeding the elderly. That isn't his calling. For a man like that, such a job would be pure misery because it goes against his own nature. Just as it would probably be misery for a passionate social worker to work all day on complex coding problems in a room alone because it goes against his nature to seek out people to help.

Someone once gave the great career advice, that you should think about what you loved doing as a child and figure out how to get someone to pay you to do it as an adult. If Chloe's nature was to find happiness in rescuing people, then she'd have been a EMT, a cop or a military recruit. If her nature was to find a happiness in taking care of people, she would have shown signs of interest in being a nurse, a social worker etc. She didn't. She didn't even like to visit her mother in the nursing home. Taking care of other people does not bring her happiness. She isn't set up as that type of person. So, no, I don't buy that she is going to find joy in something else suddenly. And frankly, I've never seen her use of her powers make her happy. She hasn't been really happy since Season 5 from what I've seen.
Fos32
But Clark's desire to be normal vs. heroism has always been a theme of the show.


And Chloe's meteor ability and what it has done to her as a person has been a theme of the show for the last season and a half, IMO. I just don't think that every important storyline on a television show has to be traced back through all of the seasons of this show. Lex getting involved in the Veritas storyline was something that only happened in season 7, yet that was his main storyline for what may end up being his final season of the series if he doesn't return in the future.

But we haven't seen her shifting her focus to helping the meteor affected.


But we have seen Chloe show a desire to take over at Isis for Lana in season 7. If it's something that becomes more pivotal to her character in season 8, then of course I expect TPTB to explain to us why Chloe is making these choices and my hunch is that it will be a result of her meteor ability taking on more of a role in her life.

When have we seen Chloe express a desire to help the meteor infected, or to dedicate herself to healing and mentoring them?


This is the part that pisses me off. Why are we having to fanwank this?


I think that it's because of the fact that we have not seen the start of season 8 yet so we are still unclear about what Chloe is really thinking in the wake of her arrest and what happened with her meteor power with Brainiac. TPTB didn't really go into all of that on a personal level for Chloe which I think might help us to understand the choices that Chloe makes, or has made.
CantThinkUpName
But we have seen Chloe show a desire to take over at Isis for Lana in season 7.
We've seen Chloe using kick ass computer equipment for personal/Clark-based reasons, storing stuff for Ollie and making vague comments about meeting with a board. We've seen Lana doing more related to Isis' mission statement than we've ever seen Chloe. If anything, Isis seemed more like a front.

Lex getting involved in the Veritas storyline was something that only happened in season 7, yet that was his main storyline for what may end up being his final season of the series if he doesn't return in the future.
At least that followed one of his core personality traits of looking for truth and answers that he's been seeking since episode 1. Even if the entire Veritas thing was a clear retcon. And it's one thing for a storyline or plot to be different for the character and for the entire character and their motivations to be different.
jwm
When have we seen Chloe express a desire to help the meteor infected, or to dedicate herself to healing and mentoring them?
There are two things Chloe has always been interested in even before she met Clark, the bizarre and journalism. I think what the show is trying to sell us is that her interest in journalism was merely a mechanism to channel (or perhaps legitimize) her true passion. That's not something I want to buy but I do think the way they've set it up is actually fairly legitimate.
Memphis1
I agree that on a normal t.v. show you build a clear path, i.e. Ross and Rachel, and then you follow it through, but because Smallville at least originated as a prequel where there was a firm ending to the story, the rules are a bit different. And that to me is why they seem to have gotten a big kick out of showing how these people that you have these iconic pictures of start off so far from whom they become.

Its very similar to Terminator 3. In the first two, you hear all about John Conner and how brave and courageous he is, only to see an incarnation in Terminator 3 that is anything but. I think that’s what they are trying to do.

Now because Chloe and Lionel were original characters, that rule may not apply to them because there is not a set destiny for either. Even if one Chloises there has never been anything definitive to say that’s going to happen, so if Chlois is removed from the equation, Chloe and Lionel could end up as anything. And seeing as how they turned Lionel into a saint; it isn’t hard to see how they take journalism away from being a key component of Chloe. That doesn’t mean they do it well because they didn’t do it with Lionel, but I understand the concept.
Fos32
At least that followed his core personality trait of looking for truth and answers that he's been looking for since episode 1.


And Chloe's interest in meteor freaks followed her core personality trait since episode 1 as well since she had the wall of weird. The difference is that she doesn't want to expose them anymore, but rather, help them.
mskingston
I need to see that twinkle in the eye I saw in Thirst, walking into the DP.

But that's the thing. Most often, one needs to reach back to Season 5 for that "twinkle." Chloe has been called Pod!Chloe and Borg!Chloe of late. Why? Because she didn't seem to resemble the Chloe from earlier seasons. Yet this happened after she got her meteor power. Clearly it changed her and I think the show has been slowly moving her away, in this other direction. That's why there's been such constant hope over the last two seasons that she be "that" Chloe again. Why would she have to return to a former version if the current one hadn't changed? So, to say that this is out of the blue isn't IMO really accurate.

Also, why was she given a power to begin with if it wasn't to be explored? The way it was introduced to? In such a dramatic way. No, I think once Chloe was given her power, the writers were beginning to shift her direction. They didn't do the "best" job, but I think they've been somewhat trying.

Thanks, Independent, for posting that exchange between Chloe and Clark. What's more, I think that in a way, the writers may see her still being that character from S1-5. Her passion early-on was exposing the truth, yes, but it was also all about the meteor-infected. Now she's still dealing with these same people, only in a different way.

And I agree with PolarB too, that Chloe may find her way back to journalism. She is taking a break from it, but I didn't hear in what Allison said, that she's totally turning away from it. Who knows? Perhaps at the start of the season she's still unclear as to what her path is, but when she meets the gal from "Plastique," that's when she decides to throw herself into helping others who are similarly affected.
I think it's a combination of things. She has saved people in the past which must make her feel good as a person. She has also weakened and nearly destroyed Brainiac. I'm not saying that I like the fact that Chloe is a meteor freak, but it seems as though her powers are playing a more important role in who her character is as time goes on. I'd have to assume that this is going to continue into season 8.

ITA, Fos32. Though all this said, I do understand why fans are disappointed, especially with the hope I think that she'd be making her way back to the DP sooner than later.

ETA:
And Chloe's interest in meteor freaks followed her core personality trait since episode 1 as well since she had the wall of weird. The difference is that she doesn't want to expose them anymore, but rather, help them.

Exactly. That's what I was thinking too. I think the writers may think that this evolution of her character may have been set up from the start, with as you said, her Wall of Weird.
Massena1
Allison answered more stuff at Comic Con. Someone posted this on lj:
Q: Can you talk about the things that may be happening with the many men in Chloe's life.
A: Obviously my relationship with Clark is still going strong and we're trying to find our footing and figure out if we're in love or just friends and what's going on. And then she's got Jimmy who's just this beautiful, amazing, supportive, stable, realistic man who she really seeks to find solace in and kind of uses to ground herself and come to some stability. So she goes to him a lot when things go kind of crazy. But now she's got this new hero, paramedic Davis guy who's pursuing her pretty actively and who's incredibly attractive and very kind and interesting and also a little dark so she's really got 3 to choose from. And I mean there's the Green Arrow and he's like whatever. He's just fun to play with.


What is Allison Mack talking about?

Jimmy is supportive? This is the guy who gave her ultimatum after ultimatum about Clark and her secrets and not paying him enough attention. This is the guy who wanted her to celebrate Lex treating him well at the DP right after Lex fired her from her dream job.

Stable? Jimmy eye sexed up Kara right in front of Chloe and then jumped into her open arms as soon as he broke up with Chloe. And then jumped right back into a relationship with Chloe when he felt lukewarm about Kara.

A source of solace? He covered for Kara's hacking which kept the government on Chloe's tail and then made a deal with Lex behind her back that caused her to be imprisoned.

Doesn't she watch the show? Jimmy is a turd.
Memphis1
Dude, I was being so sarcastic when I said GA would be in love with Chloe next; they aren't really going to go there, right? That's just insanity.
Scry
I'm (slowly) trying to do transcripts of the audio interviews, but they're so much ruckus in the background and no one's speaking loud enough, nor do they speak with correct grammar! Here's the first half of Brian Peterson and Kelly Souders for now:
CC: When you're facing a series of multiple years and major cast changes, you know, losing some of your key actors and having to deal with mythology... How'd you approach the season once you knew certain actors weren't coming back? How did you piece it together in the writer's room?

BP: Well, first of all, Michael, we can't say enough great things about Michael Rosenbaum. He just made the character of Lex Luthor for our show. It was sad to see him go pursue his own interests. The character's going to be very much a part of this season. It's opened up the doors to bring in new villains from the DC universe, and we needed a foe that was as great as Lex, and there are very few of those out there, so we brought in Doomsday who's going to be a great part of the season.

KS: And we brought in Tess who's going to be a formidable opponent for pretty much everybody on the cast at some point. I think as much as we lost tremendously in Al and Miles, we're still in communication with them, and they've been really supportive. Obviously, we took some massive hits this year, but in a strange way it sort of forced everyone to look at the show differently, which I think you don't often have an opportunity like that after 7 seasons. It allowed the writers to walk in with a blank slate in some ways and look at how to reinvigorate and reinvent the show, the characters, the situations, the relationships. We're actually all very energized. I haven't seen the writer's room as energized in a little while. Not that we weren't really passionate about it before, but I think it's just forced everyone to think deep.

BP: I would just add that the dynamic of Clark and Lois at the Daily Planet, when the dailies are coming in, is fantastic. It's iconic, it's exactly what those two actors feel like they were meant to do. I mean, they are just great together. Watching Clark and Lois together in the way that we're used to seeing them from everything that we remember, I think is making it a really fun show this year.

CC: Can you talk about the Clark and Chloe interaction, especially on the romantic side that might be coming up on the show?

BP: We definitely have an episode this year that addresses a lot of the underlying tension, the sexual tension, the love tension between the two of them. So we do touch on it this year. Definitely.

KS: It's also a season for all of the characters across the board to move on to the next phase of their life which is kind of exciting. So there's a lot of some sense of leaving the past behind and moving to the next part of the Superman mythology.

CC: Is this a full sort of pushing Clark really now, assuming this is the last season, there could be more, but assuming this is the last season, is there really a drive to push Clark [mumbling] Superman?

BP: What's great is that we up until this point haven't done a lot with Clark trying to balance the double identity of Clark Kent and this Superman figure. So this year is very much about double identity and him learning the balance of that because that's a long journey in itself that we haven't even touched on really until now.

CC: I'm kind of gullible. Is a crossover with Supernatural really a possibility?

KS: We never cross anything out. We haven't talked about it in these first two months that we've been hitting the ground running on season 8.
BP: It was talked about in previous seasons, so it is in the realm of possibility.

CC: You talked about a lot of reinventing and changes that are going to happen. What do you think needs to stay the same? What do you think you need to keep to make sure the show still has an audience and is still going to be Smallville?

KS: Well, the great thing for the four of us since we've been on the show as long as we have, it sounds kind of cliche but these characters and the world and the show have a life of it's own, and so you can't ever come in and change some things. You can't come in and do a 90 degree turn, even if that's your intent because the characters are so true to themselves and I think our cast does such an amazing job of embodying the characters that they really live as real people. So when we talk about all of the changes, it's probably more of an evolution than a change. I think Allison has been such a great Chloe and she will always be that Chloe. This year, it's just about opening her world up a little bit more. Same thing with Clark Kent. So I think that show has been successful based on it's ability to kind of give us an origin story of Superman that felt real but also had some reinterpretations in it. So I think we're just following in those footsteps that Al and Miles created for us. Clark Kent's still the same Clark Kent, we just wanted to get him closer to the Superman that we know, that the general public is more familiar with.

CC: We've heard of Lois and Clark before and the relationship between them, is it unfair to say that this could sort of be viewed as, you know, the old show Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman, is this closer in tone to that banter that really [something] between the two of them a lot?

BP: I would say no. Because that isn't the feel of our show and isn't the characters that people have gotten to know on our show. I think as they work together you see the tension and the sparks fly which is really fun, but it's all born out of the same Clark Kent that we know, and the same Lois that we know on our show, so there is not a change in tone on the show in any way.


The second half of Peterson and Souders:
CC: Has there been any talk of getting Erica Durance for more than 12 or 13 episodes this year?

BP: We have an option for her to do more, and what's great is she is really present in all of the episodes so far. She's front and center and is doing a great job. So yes, there's an opportunity for more.

CC: With the character of Doomsday, obviously you're in an interesting transition of Lex being the iconic villain for all of these seasons, now you have to transition into somebody new. Plus you're playing around a little bit with the origins of Doomsday versus what comic book fans know. How do you toe that balance of not tinkering around too much so that everybody gets in arms at the same time being able to establish somebody that needs to fill a large gap on the show?

KS: Nobody can ever step into Michael Rosenbaum and Lex Luthor's shoes, so I think was the first, that's when we sat down to really think about the season and about the villains and Clark was eventually going to be fighting, that was our number one thing. Don't try to replace Lex Luthor, there's just no point to it, we can't do it, we would never want to. We honor the character, we honor the actor so much. But, that said, we looked at who was the biggest villain we could possibly bring in, we talked about Doomsday, we sat down with DC Comics. We have great reps over there that work with us tirelessly, and they kind of said that there hasn't been much backstory on Doomsday, so what Smallville always tries to do when they reinvent something is also try to link up eventually with what happens or to get the sense that that's where that character's going or that storyline so that everything kind of matches up. Just because he comes onto the scene as this really great, fun-loving, charming guy paramedic, doesn't mean that we aren't also trying to figure out how to make sure that he lines up down the road.

BP: I think Al and Miles created a show that uses DC mythology but always puts a little spin on the new characters and very much the way we introduced Brainiac the way we did. I think we got to a place that people understood we were linking up and we actually were really true and respectful to the mythology. It's exactly what we're doing with Doomsday.

KS: I think the character of Doomsday in the comics is a lot of fun and he's certainly a great villain, but when you think about having this play scene after scene after scene, you want to start with the human side of that or how did this person get to that point? And that's the part that Smallville's always done a great job of investigating.

CC: With Lex Luthor, are you kind of holding that card as [something], like when the show ends, if it's this year, if it's next year, so that you can tell that final moment that Al and Miles were talking about between those two characters and maybe get Michael back for that?

BP: Yes, although we did sort of play that final moment in the season finale and actually Al and Miles were kind of instrumental in that finale, not knowing what opportunities we had ahead of us. But we definitely have some ideas... his character's very much threaded throughout the season.

CC: I read somewhere that we might see some flights but no tights. So I do want to ask the flight question but I am also curious, is Clark going to play a little with the idea of a secret identity?

KS: Yes. That's actually his main thrust this season is realizing... as he moves in... You know, saving people in Smallville was one thing where he kind of had to run to the factory to save Chloe or you know the roads weren't very crowded, the streets weren't very crowded. Being alive in Metropolis as Superman is a very different experience and he will find very quickly in the season this year, he discover it's not so easy when you're running through crowded streets or you're having to run into a crowded crisis situation.

BP: Or you're accountable to Lois back at the Daily Planet.

CC: Does he fly this year?

BP: We have a lot of conversations. The only thing that we were saying is that we can absolutely confirm that there's no tights. That's pretty much all we can say on that.
SueB
Thanks Scry, this makes it much easier to back out. This is not Smallville anymore. Its a spinoff called Smallville set in Metropolis.
realtime
Good Lord

Seriously, I think these guys are really, really smoking the crack.
SueB
This interview is like what they've turned Lois' character into*: nails on a chalkboard. And apparently it'll be front and center.

*I lost any residual goodwill towards Lois in Apocalypse and Arctic.
smiling sarah
Actually, I really appreciate getting all of this new information. It just makes it so much easier to tune out. The decision to abandon ship is so much less complicated when you have everyone from Mack to PS3 jacking their jaws about what's coming ahead. It takes the mystery out of it enough for you to make a solid decision to just not hang on any longer.

*raises glass to the show* Here, here, Smallville...thanks for the advanced warning.

Also, I think these idiots have a sightly over exaggerated sense of their story telling talents.
Memphis1
Just because he comes onto the scene as this really great, fun-loving, charming guy paramedic, doesn't mean that we aren't also trying to figure out how to make sure that he lines up down the road.


This, in a nutshell, is what I was trying to say is what Smallville is usually going for with characters; they don't end up where they start off. They don't always do it well, but I do think that's the intent.
PolarB
I have to say as a Clark fan, I'm actually liking all this talk about him making bigger steps to becoming Superman. I'm interested to see what they do with Doomedic and Tess. I'm even interested in Chloe delving more into her powers. So, I'm around for the long haul. But I knew that already.
CantThinkUpName
I have to say as a Clark fan, I'm actually liking all this talk about him making bigger steps to becoming Superman.
But they say that every season. I have no reason to believe that it will actually happen now.
Massena1
Another quote from AM:
Q: Can you talk about Chloe's interaction with the Bette character in the second episode; taking her in.
A: I think Chloe's really taking on the whole Mother Teresa kind of thing that's still looming around since she started with her superpower. You know the healing [garbled]. She's got such a huge heart and she recognizes that there's more people out there that need her other than Clark Kent. And which is the reason why she's sort of cutting the apron strings and let Clark venture into his own thing. She's really seeing how many people really need her help and I think that it's the first of many.


Mother Teresa? Just let that sink in. Allison Mack thinks Chloe should be like Mother Teresa.

I think they all smoked crack before they did these interviews. That would explain so much.
Scry
Sam Witwer makes it sound like we'll be shipping Clavis soon:
SW: Davis' relationship with Clark, um, you know, really, he meets all of these characters at once, so, in terms of his first impression of Clark, um, it's a hard question to answer because we haven't shot it yet. We're about to shoot it in the next day or so. So, I can't get super specific as to how that's going to go down, but I do know where the relationship is going, and I can't say anything about that either. But, it's a very cool thing.

CF: You're such a tease.

SW: I know!

CF: Why even say you know? Just play dumb.

SW: I don't know nothing! Um, where that relationship is going... it's a new type of thing for the show. I'll say this, I don't think Clark has had the opportunity to have a friend like Davis and likewise, and, you know, God, I can't get any more vague than that, can I? They're going to have a very... unique buddy-buddy friendship. That sounds weird too, doesn't it?

CF: I don't know. It is.

SW: I just, I can't talk about it, man. I can't. It's an awesome idea, though. It's a really awesome idea.

Tee-hee. I wouldn't mind seeing it. ;)

Also, Cassidy Freeman and Sam Witwer knew each other as children? They're both from Chicago and their fathers knew each other.
CantThinkUpName
She's got such a huge heart and she recognizes that there's more people out there that need her other than Clark Kent.
So it's a good thing she's giving up journalism and helping expose major crimes to help a bunch of people who lived in Smallville.
mskingston
I have to say as a Clark fan, I'm actually liking all this talk about him making bigger steps to becoming Superman.

So am I. I'm cautiously optimistic about the new season. For Clark, it sounds like a lot will be going on and that all of it together will help propel him towards his destiny. Forward momentum and that's encouraging. I do understand why many are disappointed with the Chloe news, but I think, even though she's at Isis now, or helping JL, or attempting to understand her own power (old and new), I think she will exhibit the same kind of strength she always has. From that trailer posted, I saw her fighting. Maybe it's all build-up to who she'll face in the end. (Though I know it seems more likely now to be Davis than Lex, but we'll see.)
But they say that every season. I have no reason to believe that it will actually happen now.

That's true, but just the idea of him at the DP, even though people are upset over how he gets there and why, that's already huge I think. At least there's that, and it happening so early in the season, there will be some 20 episodes to go in order for him to prove himself and take even more steps. At least I'm hoping. Even the shiny new toys, they all seem to have a Clark slant to them. But I agree, it could all end in disappointment. Especially if they try and push a Season 9.

Scry, thanks for all the interview info.
MartaDolores
Chloe does a lot of things well, but the things they've focused on in the past two seasons have been 1) her ability to nurture superheros and 2) her ability to investigate. They've been utilizing her very well in those two regards...just not in the context that some have wanted.


StinaNYC, I agree that they've focused on her investigative skills and her role in the superhero world these last few years, but I don't agree that her transition from journalist to whatever she is now has been organic to her story. Up until the tail end of last season, her stated goal has clearly been to remain on the DP track, despite being committed to helping Clark as much as she could. She's still enjoyed the process of reporting and been committed to the Planet, and the show hasn't done anything to convince me that she's simply over it. But I honestly do agree that there's a bridge between Chloe's life pre and post MF reveal. She was always into her the meteor rocks and their effect on people, as well as Luthorcorp experiments on people, and now she's a MF who's been experimented on and is now helping others like her. I also think she'll be investigating quite deeply into 33.1, so I don't think she'll just be a mother figure to people.

This is a more general comment on the issue of where Chloe's going, and not directed to anything anyone's said here specifically: I just don't appreciate the show using her MF status to seque her from her path. I honestly don't hate the MF thing, and I've enjoyed a lot of things that have come out of it, but I also think they've used it intentionally to move her away from the DP. Frankly, Chloe was a really good reporter. A REALLY good one. I always liked seeing her dig into sources and get to the bottom of things. The reporters who are left now try to get stories, but they don't truly get the story.

Not only does that make me a little bitter about Chloe, but it's made me bitter about the DP. It was such an achievement when Chloe got hired there, and now they've thrown that away.

Edit: There is one other thing that bothers me, and that's Chloe taking over Isis. I guess it makes sense to the extent that Chloe is the "light" side of Isis and all that, but is it too much to ask that Chloe not just pick up where Lana left off? She deserves something that is hers and hers alone.
FreddyO
Actually, I really appreciate getting all of this new information. It just makes it so much easier to tune out. The decision to abandon ship is so much less complicated when you have everyone from Mack to PS3 jacking their jaws about what's coming ahead. It takes the mystery out of it enough for you to make a solid decision to just not hang on any longer.


IA, Sarah. It's so crystal clear to me. No doubt whatsoever. These folks are really, really smoking some heavy duty crack. The show will be completely different and I have no interest in following any more. Truly insane lightswitching at this point. And the justifications for all of it is what gets me. That these writers and actors really believe the changes are organic and such. I think I could respect it more if they'd just come out and say, "We had to move Chloe out of the DP to make room for Lois and Clark." If they were at least upfront with that it wouldn't be so bad. But to try and justify the character assassination of Chloe the way they are is pathetic. YMMV, of course.
KSiteCraig500
Just fyi, the Continuum posted the entire roundtable discussion, which I find to be incredibly tacky toward the others of us who were asking questions and were busy transcribing and rolling out our content. I was the one who asked AM about Chloe getting back to the Planet, and about Bette and such, and I'm pretty frustrated that I even took the time to ask these things when the Continuum is taking it as their content and theirs only.

I hope to have transcriptions posted at K-Site shortly. Still, even if they weren't the answers everyone wanted, I think it was good that they talked as much as they did, for better or for worse.
Scry
My apologies to you, Craig. I was duped. :( CC didn't even mention that the questions were asked by other people. Which, I agree, is pretty tacky.
brianne1017
I'm kind of confused (despite reading the rules) about what's considered a spoiler and not. This interview with Justin Hartley is not from Comic Con but from Zap2It from a CW thing so...Read at your own risk. By the way, I found this link on the K-Site message board.

From the article:
As far as Oliver’s personal life, it seems like he’ll have his hands full. “I’m getting a new love interest!,” Justin shared. The role has not yet been cast, but they’re currently looking for Oliver's lucky lady. Still, Justin said his relationship with Lois is not dead. At least, that's what he's hearing.


This appears to be a recent interview (so I don't think he could be referring to Cassidy Freeman), so there's going to be yet ANOTHER woman as a love interest for Oliver? There's already the flirtation with Black Canary, the Lois thing, Tess, and now someone else? I wonder if this is a several episode arc or just for one episode.

I think it was even mentioned in the Allison Mack thread that AM was listing all of Chloe's love interests for the year and she even said something like, "and Oliver's just fun to play around with" or something like that. Oy vey.
MartaDolores
What? I know an EP said at the panel that Ollie would have many loves, but I didn't think anyone new would be coming in. I assumed they meant Lois and Tess.

And I too have no idea where anything goes anymore, nor do I get if they should be spoiler tagged or not.
brianne1017
know an EP said at the panel that Ollie would have many loves

I thought that was a really cute moment when the producer asks the crowd if there's any women who want to be one of Ollie/Justin's loves and the crowd cheers and he makes the comment about his wife sitting off to the side shaking her head as if to say, "you don't know what you're asking for." I'm paraphrasing...

Regardless of Oliver (who I do like), I think Justin Hartley is great- he's personable, flirty, self-deprecating and you can kind of imagine him as a regular guy, albeit a really gorgeous one.
KSiteCraig500
I don't know of anyone new for Ollie planned... I'm wondering if it's Tess and he just doesn't realize it's the same character that Cassidy plays.
MartaDolores
Yeah, I thought that was a really cute moment too. And I also like Oliver and think Justin Hartley is really charming. I just don't need to see a new love for him in the face of all these other new things coming.

I hope that's what it is, Craig. Not that I'm dying for Oliver/Tess romance either, but I'll take that over a whole new relationship.
PolarB
I hope that's what it is, Craig. Not that I'm dying for Oliver/Tess romance either, but I'll take that over a whole new relationship.

IA. Although, is it possible if there is a "new" girl, she's actually from Ollie's past? Since they're delving into his history, perhaps she'd be a flashback only character. I think that would make more sense than introducing yet another current character, who would only really impact Oliver, this late in the game.
RichardAK
Having the Legion guest-star would be awesome if it were the badass, grim-and-gritty Giffen-Bierbaum Legion. But I know there's no chance they'll do that.
Teen Titan
There's not much to go on with Tess, but man, how much fun does Cassidy Freeman seem?

Sure, they might as well call the show Metropolis now, but I was arguing that last season.

I'm psyched. I'm loving almost everything that I'm hearing, except for the whole teasing a Clark and Chloe romance and then not following through thing.
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