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Cyb
She comes home from Paris, having discovered that she's a mime-savant

Does that mean she'll wear more pale makeup than usual and be quiet all the time in a beret?
mobiusklein
The thing is that if Chloe loses her dad, I want Lana AND TPTB to realize that Lana's "abandonment" shit about Nell and the pancakes pales in comparison to losing your dad when you've known him for 17 years and he loves you (even though he's not perfect & has all these issues according to AM) AND you feel horribly guilty and responsible for his death, etc.. I would die and go to heaven for Lana to realize that hey, she's lucky in that Nell ISN'T dead. I think I'd club Lana to death if they have her say that Chloe is lucky in any way shape or form that she got to know her father if that happens UNLESS they have Chloe & Clark violently recoil in disgust and rip her a new puppet hole, none of this slap on the hand crap regarding genocide in Extinction. Because exploding house = a death just as nasty as a meteor and we all know Chloe's not going to be on the cover of Time.

Oh, ITA about the Paris thing, she has got to come back because she failed. If she doesn't come back because she failed, she is the biggest moron ever. I mean I already think that but hey, lets not keep giving me proof.
klulu
Absolutely, mobius. I don't think Lana can ever be likeable until she breaks out of the pity-in-pink mode once and for all. I want her to realize that other people sometimes have it worse than she does, and I want her to struggle and sometimes fail. And I want her to learn a bit about gratitude, because her lack thereof toward Nell and the Sullivans is single worst trait about her.

Eta:

Does that mean she'll wear more pale makeup than usual and be quiet all the time in a beret?

Yes, it does. And her hands will always be up in front of her, palms out, which will make everyone think she wants to be left alone. Or that she's completely batty.
ShadowDenizen
Gives a whole new meaning to the classic "Son of Jor-El, kneel before Zod!" line from Superman 2, don't it?


Not to mention that Terrence Stamp (who played Zod) also starred in the gay cult-favorite film "Priscilla, Queen of the Desert" as a Drag-Queen.

Though it probably won't happen, I like the idea that the voice is indeed General Zod, and that Clark is in the Negative Zone.

I don't think Lana can ever be likeable until she breaks out of the pity-in-pink mode once and for all. I want her to realize that other people sometimes have it worse than she does, and I want her to struggle and sometimes fail. And I want her to learn a bit about gratitude, because her lack thereof toward Nell and the Sullivans is single worst trait about her.


Word to all that. I'd love to see KK try to play a real, living, breathing character that actually seems fallible rather than perfect all the time. Geez, three years, and she still gives the Marbot a run for her money!

And, oh yeah. "No" to the Lexana. Just no.
But a definite "yes" to more Lucas.
DarkEmerald
A year ago, when this thread got started, some very clever people beginning with Filibuster posted their Season 3 speculations--amazingly accurate in some instances--in a fun list format. Seems like a good time to do it for Season 4:

The Almost Certain
Lex lives. The HoYay, on the other hand, does not.

The Probable
Chloe or someone who looks an awful lot like her lovely self will reappear.

The Improbable
Clark will drop the asshattedness. Lana actually got on that plane.

No Freaking Way (But I'd like to see it)
Lex, realizing that his manipulations of Lana may have gone a little too far and that she's fallen in love with him, sits her down and has that conversation with her where he explains about being...different.
Sandman
The only certainty is that Clark will be back. It's very slightly less sure that Clark will save his ex-(boy)friend from poisoning, because what's the only follow-up to furious breakup + danger to ex-beloved? Rescue, remorse on the part of the hasty breaker-upper and tearful reunion.

Because, please, has any platonic friend (well, over the age of nine) ever said "this friendship is over"?

Nev. Ver.
Cyb
The Almost Certain
Lex is alive, Chloe is alive. Chloe may not seem like herself (either she's in disguise, or has amnesia, or whatever) but she's still alive and flippy.

The Probable
The cheese will unclog from Bo's heart and he'll live.

Lionel either escapes or charges are dropped and he gets out.

The Improbable
Clark's "rebirth" will last more than a couple of episodes. In other words, he'll probably go back to being the same as before, probably during Sweeps when his assiness will come in handy as a plot device.

Martha finally gets out of the kitchen, and I don't mean just to go run out and see her burning field now and then.

Lex wakes up with half a liver missing.

No Freaking Way (But I'd like to see it)
Lana comes back from Paris a mime. She never says another word.
Nflux Forever
I have a feeling about whats in store for us in Season 4. A bad one. Lana comes back from Paris and Lex, after he survives his poisoning becomes involved with her. I mean in like a relationship way( I know, Lexana. Ew). And then Clark, having called it quits with his boytoy last week, will be all pissed off about it for much of next year. Please don't kill me for putting this out there.
kwerkee
Please don't kill me for putting this out there.

Pssst.. They won't. They'll just set their mothers on you.

Lionel either escapes or charges are dropped and he gets out.

So either Lionel returns to being a bastardly tycoon or he becomes an underground figure? I like it both ways but I'd be more excited to see the "new" Lionel in the latter role. Prowling in the sewers with minions in tow.
Sandman
the "new" Lionel in the latter role. Prowling in the sewers with minions in tow

Mmm. Minion dip.
megan
Way Cool Prediction
For the rest of the SV run, Clark and Lex, though still Tripping the RIFT, begrudgingly team up on/off to thwart MB's continuous attempts at sabotage, murder and mayhem to get revenge on all those even connected to Lex and the Kent. ie all of Smallville and some in Metropolis.

I'd love to see them have SV Lex as a dark hero like Batman for the rest of the seasons, but easily swayed to throw away ethics to get his 'righteous' goals accomplished. The only thing missing would be the puppy-dog woobie eyes on Clark, but it would simulate what canon Lex and Superman normally do at times anyway. Lionel has taken on the insane evil that canon Lex used to have. That's because JG is SO excellent as EEVIL and DEVILTRY.
ElleEstTrois
With no Clark and no Chloe, the Feds can't make their case. They will have to release Lion.

I think the reason they were shaving the MB's head is to transfer his brain to the liquor-drugged Lex. The BDA will never know what happened to his beloved and will never be able to apologise. Lex will seem like a complete d!ck and noone will be the wiser.

That way, Lion-el in Lex's body will romance the returning Lana. (Ew to the nth power.)

Chloe will undergo surgery and come back as a different person.

I think the message from Jor-el to Bo about waiting was that he is waiting for Bo to die so Jo can have his son back. So Bo is dead and Jo is Dad.

Clark will still be an a$$.

The writers will still forget things like continuity and canon and go for the easy FoTW.

I'll be even more disappointed. Instead of watching one of every three epis, I'll watch one of every four. I'll still read and enjoy Omar & will hoist my shiny "I luv Omar" sign. I'll still enjoy the snark that is the SV forum.
PhantomChic
I think the reason they were shaving the MB's head is to transfer his brain to the liquor-drugged Lex. The BDA will never know what happened to his beloved and will never be able to apologise. Lex will seem like a complete d!ck and noone will be the wiser.

That way, Lion-el in Lex's body will romance the returning Lana. (Ew to the nth power

Would that mean Lex is stuck the MB's body, slowly dying of liver disease of the liver? Poor Clark would be so confused when Lionel is flirting with him and talking about their destiny. Oh wait, that's what would have happened if they'd done a body switch at the beginning of the season when Clark and Lex were engaged and Clark wasn't an asshat.
skyblack
Lex will seem like a complete d!ck and no one will be the wiser.


Yet from a practical perspective, though Michael Rosenbaum is the second-best actor on the show, John Glover is the first, so something would be lost if Lionel --played by Glover -- ended.

Chloe will undergo surgery and come back as a different person.


I assume that by surgery you mean "black dye job" and by "different person" you mean Lois Lane, correct?
ElleEstTrois
skyblack
I assume that by surgery you mean "black dye job" and by "different person" you mean Lois Lane, correct?
Yep! Sounds good. Can't be any worse than the craptacular stuff they're feeding us now.

*sigh*
Cyb
Patrick Bergen can play her.

Clark: Oh no, it's Morgan Edge!
Chloe: No it's me, Chloe!
Clark: Prove it.
Chloe: Remember one time I kissed you and it was all minty?
Clark: You know, I did some wild stuff last summer in Metropolis...
Chloe: Clark! Don't tell me you kissed Morgan Edge.
Clark: He--you--were very flattering to me! Plus I really like Blade Runner!
Sandman
Clark: He--you--were very flattering to me! Plus I really like Blade Runner!

BWAH!
Feste
Prowling in the sewers with minions in tow.


You know what that would make Lionel? GeneHackmanLex.
PhantomChic
I really think they might go there. That they may have realized that Lex is so popular and they've given him so many layers that people are always going to sympathize with him. So instead of making Lex evil, they'll have Lionel turn into the canonical Evil!Lex (bald, patricidal, wearing a Kryptonite ring) and Lex will be a much-abused grey hat forever torn between Superman and the evil Luthor.
rebelqueen
So instead of making Lex evil, they'll have Lionel turn into the canonical Evil!Lex

PhantomChic:wow, first with the firefly quotage and now with the this-i could like that plan- it's another brillant one and the added bonus of keeping the lionel in the mix. yay!
we are being funny aren't we when we talk about the brain transplant betwixt luthor's , because that would be even worse science and camp-wise then this season's alias(which has wicked bad in that manner) and would strain credulity even for this show.
my big wish for next season is no chloe coma(too soapy and bad jossy).also, not a lot of pete coming back and no big time jump since please as much i love these writers that cannot handle it and it would be cheating in the making lex evil (plus this show gives me enough bad alias memory vibes with the green and the caves and the propheicies and i could not mentally handle a big time jump).it would be interesting as well with the father issue if martha's dad showed back up again and maybe did something to cause her to be all discontented with her present life and actually want to do something with it- like a job outside the home(oh the horror)- or she could go back to/goto law school(which would be cool).
also:dark hero lex would make me happy! nice one megan!
stoutheartedmin
Yet from a practical perspective, though Michael Rosenbaum is the second-best actor on the show, John Glover is the first, so something would be lost if Lionel --played by Glover -- ended.


Ack. Don't say that! Some evil imp might hear and run off to whisper in M&G's ear that Lionel is taking up too much Lana time.

Oh, the horror!
klulu
S4 speculation:

The Almost Certain: Chloe survives, but Gabe *weeps* does not. Chloe gets to testify against Lionel, but the jury still finds him not guilty, and Chloe finds herself back under his Magnificent thumb.

The Probable: Bo will survive and continue to raise the happiest cows in Lowell County.

The Improbable: Clark begins to grow up, Lex begins to turn dark, and the Rift turns out to be an ongoing game of cat-and-mouse, with the boys trying to outdo each other in their respective plans for their places of greatness in the world. The winner each round gets to choose who's on top, and Lex is still smarter than Clark most of the time.

The Unlikely, but Dreams of it Will Help Me Survive the Summer Hiatus:
Lana returns from Paris and realizes that her true love was Pete all along. Determined not to be The Girl Left Behind again, she promptly packs up and moves to Wichita.

eta: the apparently not likely: klulu will manage an entire post without a typo.
Euphony
I don't think it's improbable that Lex will still be smarter than Clark. I'd say the universe is held together based on this principle alone.
TGC-64
Not to mention that Terrence Stamp (who played Zod) also starred in the gay cult-favorite film "Priscilla, Queen of the Desert" as a Drag-Queen.



Clark's college girlfriend?, Felicia Jollygoodfellow.
klulu
I don't think it's improbable that Lex will still be smarter than Clark. I'd say the universe is held together based on this principle alone.

Yeah, that's not the part of the thought that I consider improbable - it just ties in to my assumption of who'll be "on top" more often. ;-)
ElleEstTrois
IF Lex survives, this debacle had better teach him that he needs reliable minions of his own...Faith and Hope for example.


Wouldn't it be great it Buffy's Faith became Lex's Faith? ass-kicking good times to be had.
Euphony
Lex actually doesn't have a Faith. He has a Hope and a Mercy.
WebSurferGirl
According to TPTB’s commentary on ‘Red’, Lana was supposed to slap Clark on the face before she stormed out of the bar. She didn’t, because to paraphrase AlMiles, “what she sort of missed from it was the comedic element of the old screwball comedies of the 1930s, and instead looked at it from the point of view as a women hitting a man, when really it could have been quite funny.” Oh, and “she didn’t call [them] about it until after the scene was filmed and in the can because she knew she would lose the fight (to change the scene).”

Surprise, surprise, they actually sounded annoyed. Meanwhile, they continued to rave about TW’s incredible development as an actor, how talented MR was, and how lucky they were to have JG as part of the cast.

So as many have speculated, it isn’t completely the writers fault. She just doesn’t get it, and I think another actress could have taken Lana’s character in a completely different direction. I know she’s allotted a certain amount of screen time but I hope next season it’s kept to the absolute minimum, because she just sucks the life out of every scene she is in, and even AlMiles seem to be admitting her acting skills leave something to be desired.
hachurui
I think it was a good decision for Lana not to hit Clark in that scene, because wouldn't she have hurt her hand? What would Clark's excuse be this time? Braces of steel?
DarkEmerald
Also, can she reach?
WebSurferGirl
But Lana's so perfect, I'm sure she could still serve coffee and muffins, continue cheerleading and horseback riding, and churn out paintings for art school with the use of only one hand. But she probably would whine about her other hand abandoning her.
kwerkee
IF Lex survives, this debacle had better teach him that he needs reliable minions of his own...Faith and Hope for example. [Emphasis is mine.]

Heh. Faith Ford & Kelly Ripa as Lex's reliable minions? I think not.

I think it was a good decision for Lana not to hit Clark in that scene, because wouldn't she have hurt her hand?

It'd break into a million CGI pieces. So yeah, I think it might hurt a wee bit.

Speculation: Since the 2nd season premiere took off where it left off and the 3rd premiere began three months after, I speculate 4th premiere starts a year later.

I mean since they center everything around the Pink, they'll wait till she comes back from her Paris stint after completing her highschool there. Meanwhile, Chloe's hiding out with her dad. And it gives Jor-El ample time to "re-educate" Clark as he reemerges to take over the world.
Cyb
And it gives Jor-El ample time to "re-educate" Clark as he reemerges to take over the world.

As much as I'd like to see the return of Pre-Asylum decent Clark, I think I'd also like to see the cave "rebirth" be a darker one. Like you say, he comes out to take over the world. Or something close to it. At this point I wouldn't buy Jor-El teaching Clark how to be a more mature, sympathetic person anyway. I think it could be interesting to have Clark come out "bad" and not because of a disposable reason like Red K.

Then after a couple of episodes, they can find out that the AI is messed up (Microsoft Jor-El is a buggy beta test) and Clark realizes how prone to suggestion he is. After having nearly wrecked havoc on the world, he realizes he should be more thoughtful, introspective, and less quick to judge others. I'd like for Lex to somehow become involved in all this. Maybe the "Lara" AI can possess Lex while he's in a poison!coma and Lex can be goodguy!Segeth for a while. He could fight Clark and be the one to tell him that Jor-El is buggy. Clark realizes how necessary it is for Lex to keep him in check. Then of course Lex would conveniently forget all this happened because of the kryptomindpowers or whatever.

Another possibility is that Clark comes out of that dark cave after three months away from the sun physically weakened for a while.
modo1013
Ya know, Cyb. I think I might like it if Clark came out all weak and temporarily without his powers. Thinking back to S1, there was an ep where Clark lost his powers and got to play basketball and get hurt like a real boy. He was pretty adorable in that episode. It would be nice to get that Clark back, if only for a little while.

Of course, it would only last until Lana got into some sort of danger...for the five millionth time. *sigh*
Cyb
I think I might like it if Clark came out all weak and temporarily without his powers.

Unless Jor-El keeps him powered up through kryptomagicscience, he should theoretically come out weaker from lack of sun, right? Kara didn't lose power because she wasn't actually Kryptonian, and I figure she had cave-given powers in the same way that Dr. Walden and Jeremiah Coleslaw did.

I liked adorable human!Clark in Leech too but I'm wondering.

Say Clark comes out weaker. Maybe not human level weakness but definitely not up to full strength. What if he were both weaker and convinced of his role to take over the Earth? What if he got Lionel out of prison (legally or otherwise) in exchange for Lionel's help in that goal? I don't think it's likely to happen but I wonder how it would play out.
Cyb
We've speculated about whether Lionel's goal was to kill Lex or just scare Lex. What if his goal is just to make people think Lex is dead? He's buried and everything. But it's one of those poisons that just makes you seem dead (see also, Sloane on Alias). What if Lionel escapes prison and Lex undergoes a little retraining himself, like Clark? So Lex will have been married twice and buried twice. He really needs to get out of this town.

Speaking of which. I really hope they stop the short term romances. Sleezy hot affairs sure, great, but no more one-episode soulmates.
PhantomChic
So Lex will have been married twice and buried twice.

So Lex gets to play Juliet? He's going to be very disappointed when he finds out his Romeo is still an MIA asshat AND he's stuck in the custody of the very opposite of Friar Lawrence.

He really needs to get out of this town.

Just as long as he's not headed to Paris when he does.
suzycat
He's buried and everything. But it's one of those poisons that just makes you seem dead (see also, Sloane on Alias).


Not to mention, Vivian on DOOL. Lionel having conversations with Lex inside his coffin via cellphone. Things get wacky when Ryan O'Reilly commandeers the phone and poor Buried Alive Lex has to deal with Cyril talking to him about the baby Jesus and how God chooses us.

What I really hope doesn't happen is what some have speculated, that Lionel getting his head shaved while poisoning Lex is a clear indication that he's going to transplant his brain into Lex's body. From prison. In a chilly bin, possibly.

Personally I wouldn't put a lot of stock in that boy's liver, superhealing notwithstanding.
Cyb
In the spoiler thread the subject came up of how people like Lex and Perry White and so forth don't recognize Clark as Superman in the future. AStarling explained: Amnesia.

So I'm speculating right now that the series finale will have everyone in a huge ice hockey game. Without helmets, because it's for charity and the spectators want to see the faces of the people playing. Everyone sustains serious head injuries. Lana is in fact skated over several times, as she is mistaken for a hockey stick. Before leaving town, Clark says goodbye to everyone in the hospital, but no one remembers him.
tropicalgeko
Lana is in fact skated over several times, as she is mistaken for a hockey stick.


Heh, heh :) I seem to remember reading something once about how Supes generates some sort of energy force to blur his features, or some such thing? Or maybe that was the explanation for why his suit never get wrecked/dirty/burned up? Hmm...it's a mystery all right. How one man can remove his glasses, slick his hair back and fool the world. That must be some amazing hairgel...
PhantomChic
Hmm...it's a mystery all right. How one man can remove his glasses, slick his hair back and fool the world. That must be some amazing hairgel...

It's probably infused with some new color of kryptonite. Or possibly magic.
Shropshire
In the spoiler thread the subject came up of how people like Lex and Perry White and so forth don't recognize Clark as Superman in the future. AStarling explained: Amnesia.


"We are here today to celebrate the marriage of this Deux Ex Machina to this Fount of all Plot Devices...
Do you, Amnesia, take Kryptonite, in liquid or solid, in red, green or purple to be your lazy cure-all?"
DarkEmerald
I now pronounce you Mr. and Mrs. MacGuffin...

Look at this partial page I discovered in Miles Millar's wastebasket.

A Plan for the Improvement of Smallville:
1: Admitted we were powerless over our Lanalust, and that our program had become unmanageable.
2. Came to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore our show to good ratings;
3. Made a decision to turn our show over to the care of Joss Whedon, as we understood Him.
4. Made a searching and fearless inventory of our characters and plotlines
5. Admitted to Joss, to ourselves, and to E!Online the exact nature of our wrongs;
6. Were entirely ready for Joss to remove all our defective characters and beef up the Chluthoropolis.
7. Humbly asked Him to remove the show's shortcomings--yes, Joss will kill off Lana...

(it's torn off there, but I'm thinking this is a hopeful sign)
Cyb
We were talking about super powers in the Spoiler thread and since no specific new powers were mentioned, I don't think it's a spoiler.

So, what new powers might Clark start displaying in the future season (s)?

I was championing superbreath because I think it would be funny and think of all the "blow" jokes that could be made. He could play "Three Little Pigs" with Lex, Lana, and Chloe. Lana of course would be in a straw house because she would think it's sufficient protection against tornadoes.

I wouldn't mind seeing the Super Kiss of Forgetfulness even though I think it's kind of a silly power. He could practice kissing his own hand and forget who he is.
Caelum
I was championing superbreath because I think it would be funny and think of all the "blow" jokes that could be made. He could play "Three Little Pigs" with Lex, Lana, and Chloe. Lana of course would be in a straw house because she would think it's sufficient protection against tornadoes.


Bwah!

Maybe SuperHairGel will finally make an appearance?
Shropshire
I wouldn't mind seeing the Super Kiss of Forgetfulness even though I think it's kind of a silly power. He could practice kissing his own hand and forget who he is.


Or only his hand could forget who he is.
He'd go around for he rest of the season with a completely clueless hand, which doesn't know how to milk, is scared of sharp things and sheep and which has no idea it is supposed to be attracted to Lana. Or girls at all.

Clark: Lex, we're no longer friends. But my right hand wants your phone number. Don't ask.

Turning back time could be useful. Yes, I know-flying-but maybe he could achieve it by supersprinting around the world instead. Or twitching his nose or something equally plausible.
Then they could have complete fantasy episodes, where they, say, kill off major characters with cheese graters.
DarkEmerald
I'm still all about Trevacious Guy's suggestion: Super Ventriloquy.
sevenless
Lines we might actually hear on Smallville:

Clark: I need your help in finding Chloe.
Lex: Does this mean we're friends again?
Clark: Only for the next hour.
Shropshire
Clark: Only for the next hour.


But for that next hour they're best friends. Because Clark knows no other kind.
sevenless
Turning back time could be useful. Yes, I know-flying-but maybe he could achieve it by supersprinting around the world instead.

Or by superskipping.
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