Very! And I'm personally glad to see that Ollie and Dinah are together given that Siren was all about people having to pick their correct partners; Clark reclaimed Chloe, Ollie got Dinah from Lex and all was right with the world.



Because after this long no one wants to see it run into the ground in the 11th hour? Because there is still a chance for a good, happy ending if PS3 don't fuck it up with their incompetency?



Right. I'm guessing they missed the point where fans liked to see Clark standing up for what he believed in last season when he said he wouldn't walk over his BFF and wouldn't work for Lex and oh yeah, didn't want the job!



Well and if ED had any chemistry with TW, I could maybe even understand the push. Or if she got great ratings. Or if you know she was in all the episodes of the season. Or had second place in screentime. But... she doesn't.



True, and it does fit with the Odyssey; but if this is the route that they are going they should own up and clue people in that it's Clark being tricky rather than compromising his moral stance of how many seasons now? 4? 5?



Again, true.



Well if it means showing Chloe can get out in the field and do that too, I'm sure there are plenty of people who wouldn't mind seeing that again.

This show gives away way too much information in non-spoilery outlets. It's like walking into a strip joint and finding all the strippers naked all at once. You're supposed to lead up to the full Monty, show!

*Gasps* *Blinks* *Gasps*

*Bows*

PS3 I love you all! This is the greatest day in Smallville spoiler history. Hahahah! I'm going to laugh myself to sleep tonight. I knew it'll happen, I called it!!

And look.. did I not correctly predict that Davis and Chloe spend most of the episode interacting in Plastisque?? Not to mention that Plastique will be Clark's first day at the DP??

Tonight's pick 3 numbers are 35, 7, 18. Thank you and good night.

But, like others have said, Clark entering the DP should be an iconic moment. (I forgot who said it, but someone mentioned on the level of entering the FoS for the first time.) If he's there undercover to do something else (which further makes the DP look weak) and just happens to decide to keep that job...I guess Clois is ment2be.

And I still don't see how writing for a major newspaper is equivalent to getting a normal life. It's a public eye type job that requires a passion of the job itself, not as a way for a paycheck and to cover-up your "secret" life. Do data entry, that's more "normal" and low key.

Even if the DP was still a bastion of integrity, I'd still argue he doesn't deserve to be there.

That's why I was debating putting it in this thread; it had so much information. But rules are rules.

I think it sounds a bit more speculation because I truly believe Chloe will be out of custody by the end of Odyssey. Or she's being held in a government-33.1 joint production. Or she just met a cute G-man.

What aren't we worthy for? Being treated by the brilliant minds who asked themselves "How can we get an untrained, inexperienced Clark Kent into the DP?" and responded with "Why not just put him there?"

Well I for one must say I am happy about the news, but the news itself should not be shocking. We all knew that eventually Clark would work for the DP, was just a matter of time. And there might be a really good reason why he decides to work there at the time and we just don't know it.

So Clark gets into the DP while it's under LuthorCorp's control, while he's acting just like... himself, (not mild-mannered or dorky) and directly after he said he'd never work for Lex. Why is this a good thing? OH, wait, so people can see "Lois and Clark banter!" even though it makes no sense in the context of the series but WAIT IT'S ICONIC!

And the CW is really smoking crack if they think viewers won't notice that it's ridiculous for Clark to just walk into the DP and get a job with nothing but a high school degree. I think pretty-much everyone who struggled through college or worked to achieve their dream job is really annoyed by this. The world just doesn't work that way. We don't expect SV to be "realistic" in that it's a show about a boy with super powers, but we expect it to MAKE SENSE. It sends a ridiculous message to viewers that you can just get whatever you want if you want it, no hard work required.

Unless your name is Chloe. In that case, lots of hard work will be required, but you'll still get screwed.

It cuts both ways. Not only does he need a damned good reason for choosing journalism out of nowhere in a LuthorCorp run organization (and, like I said, if his primary intention is to spy on Tess, it immediately soils Clark Kent's entrance into the DP).

But the DP needs a damned good reason for hiring him. If it's because the newspaper has gone into the shitter so badly that no one wants to work there (which is not true for any industry), then again the entrance is spoiled. If it's because Tess thinks he's cute, it's favoritism over substance which soils his entrance. And, if Ollie buys the paper and then gives Clark a job, again it's unfair favoritism. (Besides, Ollie owns plenty of different companies that Clark can work at without being in such a public field around someone he knows and can play towards his strengths.)

Word! It doesn't make sense with what we've been shown for 7 seasons. Did a barn door hit Clark in the head too? It's absurd. The DP is now the place to go when you have no education, no experience, and no ambition. Anyone can be a reporter. Just walk in off the street and voila, here's your desk. The truth? Journalistic integrity? A resume? That's for losers. What utter bs.

Just to be, you know, difficult.

In the Superman serials, Clark seems to have very little qualification, but get the job by getting the scoop. I'm pretty sure I've seen such things elsewhere too. So the lack of qualification, bothers me less than say Lois's.

Now usually he doesn't get the job because the editor is shifty, but hey, Tess might give it to him to spy on him, just like he's spying on her. That will be more big dumb alien when really I'd like to see him smartened up a bit. Anyhow, if Chloe could win her way back into a legitimate slot after favoritism, Clark could parallel that too, later.

It's the "Thomas Crown Affair" "Real Chance Clana" vibe of all this that annoys me. I've sat through a lot. I'd like to see the story move to some more genuine storytelling.

From the Spoilers thread:



Yes, but Clark doesn't have Chloe's background. She was the editor of her high school newspaper for four years. She had professional credits. She'd worked at the DP as an intern. Clark's got squat except stories on gym mats, as well as writing that Perry said was rough but had promise (and buried the lead half the time). Rough but having promise ought not to get you into the DP as a reporter, IMHO. It's like the New York Times. He should start at the Smallville Ledger or something, and work his way up. Heck, even EDLois had to start smaller than that.



Yes, but it's not the way things work in the Smallville universe. We were told in season one that there's massive competition for those four high school intern slots every summer. We saw Chloe had to prove herself to get in. If they just drop Clark in with no qualifications, they're ignoring their own canon. And that annoys me. If they're just going to reboot the whole series and pretend the earlier seasons never existed, why should I watch? I'll just go watch "The Adventures of Superman" instead.

Well, yes and no. They've established you can get in illegitimately with the help of the bad guys (Lionel, Grant), and legitimately with hard work. So they've set up a situation where the happy end would be Clark working to get good guys in who ought to fire him. ; ) Then we end with him working his way back in?

But the thing really is the Clois =/= Chlark interactions we are going to get? Oh man, do I really need to see them drag her further through the sewer? Can't we shoot her already and try to move towards a more organic story? No? sigh.

Well, Mad Men starts July 27th!

There were so many ways that this could've been handled better. But it's like they said, "hey, we're going to find the worst way, and then choose that method!" You cannot tell me that there weren't other logical ways to get Clark into the DP. And the worst thing about it is that it would've given Clark a good storyline about him finding a passion for journalism over the course of many episodes instead of just two.

Me too. marikology sums it up nicely "everyone who struggled through college or worked to achieve their dream job is really annoyed by this." It's the same reason why Nois is annoying. I don't think it's the sign of 'great writers' that they have to drag Clark and the DP down to her level rather than y'know, made her a competent character to begin with.



Yes, it's like PS3 doesn't get it. After the strike, the almost last season, all the false Al spoilers, Almiles leaving, MR leaving, LV leaving, KK leaving then coming back part time later, the rumors of another strike, AM leaving then contract wobbles then back, then the orginal sides, then changed up sides, the outrage of Grulian when it happened, and even in some ways the pink script stuff from the end of s6... people are tired of being yanked around.



Clark also had the whole research assitent gig, and we know he's pretty good at doing the facts (and he did write actual articles). It's still more years experience than EDlo got at the Inquisitor. Could he have more, yeah but if they stuck him on mail room status (rather than reporters duty) and say he's in Met U with Jimmy and Chloe, then I don't see it as big of an issue there. But it needs to be a struggle and I need to see him want it - neither of those I see.



And that's the question. I mean I think it's their typical "stuff to hype the season!" that doesn't ever pan out how people call it -- barn doors and spaceships anyone? -- but I think it's different when they start pulling this type of stuff on Clark.



Yes. We had glimpses of it back earlier in the show too, and Descent was a nice nod to seeing him realize when using the truth would be useful. It would of been nice to see him working towards a journalism goal of restoring the DP *then* getting a job there. Presto chango is short changing the audience of their pay off and it sucks.

Freakin' Black Canary and Martian Manhunter! The geek out is only slightly damaged by the utter crap that is the rest of that article.

From the spoiler thread:
That is the only thing that makes any sense, especially since we know the Justice League is returning in that episode and we are at least assuming that Oliver will have interaction with Tess, or at least be on her trail as the new Luthor. It's not a scheme Clark would think up, but it's totally one Oliver would be into. I absolutely refuse to believe that this job is for real. I refuse.

See, it makes sense. Oliver fills Clark in on the new girl in town- Tess- and then says they need his help looking over her shoulder. And then he hands him the application. And Tess gives him the job because she knows about his connection to Lex, and wants to look over his shoulder. So there's this dual spying thing going on. And Lois, as usual, is in the dark about it all, because she usually is.

I mean, it destroys the iconic moment totally, but whatever, show. I'm in damage control mode, and sliding into "denial is our friend" mode.

ITA. Smallville, you never fail to disappoint us.

Off topic, but do we know how many episodes Tess and Bloomesday are going to be in? 13 each, I'm assuming? With Lois and Jimmy in 13 as well? Seems to me like they're going to have to rotate who Clark sees at the Planet to make up for the lack of full time cast there.

TVGuide about GA et al


Here's the other thing about Clark I don't get, if part of the opener is the rescue of Clark by the JL, how much time has passed? And how much time passes between the rescue and Clark at the DP? When does he decide to embrace journalism - while he's stuck under the FOS? If he's in it to spy on Tess, how does he know about her? I can understand about it being hard work to have the storyline follow some reasonable timeline and character motivation, but if you're going to jump that far that fast, there'd better be some kind of rationale for it. Aren't PS3 getting the "big bucks" for this show?

ETA Eurybia - I could see what you've outlined about Oliver. At least that would make more sense than what seems to be "a wizard did it."

Tess and Doomedic are probably 10-13 episodes - which is what Kara had for S7 - with Lois, Jimmy and Oliver at 13. That's a straight guess on my part, though.

I think the episodes Lois wont be in will be centered around the episodes Lana will be in.

Lois: Absolutely!

These spoilers are my Graceland. The Justice League in the premier? MM is back? A proactive Clark? Clark establishing a dual idenity? Working at the Daily Planet with Lois? The emergence of the Superman persona? Chloe being stuck with the love interest stuff instead of Lois, whom will have Clark all to herself?

Oooh baby! Can it get better than this? I don't know.

At last we hear about Clark's arc, and its the arc of all arcs. Love it! And remember that sci-fi interview with Peterson and Saunders? Was it not spot on or what? This season will be about the emergence of Iconic Clark Kent, and Iconic Lois Lane. Just like they said it would be. Loveeee it.

Clark is finally about to grow up, everything is finally about to be set straight. No more of this Clana/Chlark holding Clark back nonsense. Its about telling the story the way it needs to be told in order to link it up with the most famous of all legends- Superman.

As a mythos fan, this is what I've stayed with the show for.. to see how it ends, to see how these characters become who they are. And the most important character is about to mature before our very eyes.

He'll become a greater reporter than Chloe ever was. And most definately Lois will.

Out with the old, in with the new. Let the reign of Clark and Lois at the Daily Planet begin.

Regardless of what Clark may or may not become in the future, it isn't "hogwash" to state that at this point, he is not qualified. He does not have the background to write for the DCU equivalent of the New York Times. He has a single semester of college, and no professional writing credits. He should start somewhere else, such as the Smallville Ledger, and work his way up.

There's no maturity or growth here. There's no arc where he works at teh Ledger first or goes back to school. He just lands at the DP in the second episode. There's no struggle, there's no experience gained in the field. Clark hasn't even expressed an interest in journalism in years. His college classes, the few he did take, weren't even about journalism. What we have here is contrived and not organic. Clark's going to waltz into the equivalent of the NY Times and be hired why?

Is it because his mom's a senator and they're currying favor?

He has no merits on his own, nothing even close to what JIMMY OLSEN had.

Similarly, with ED in 13 eps, do you know what we will see? We'll see her get knocked out in every ep with Clark so he can run off to be super and then in the eps she's not in, he'll be teamed up with Jimmy, since we have all the rotating casts.

So, yes, now we have Nois and Clark but we got it by Clark lightswitching into the Planet controlled and operated by Lex Luthor where the stories are censored. We'll have a planet where employees are setting each other up for failure (see Jimmy and Lois). And we have Lois finally being shown as a reporter and not a desk ornament for Grant, but only when Chloe has been arrested by the Feds for KARA'S hacking crimes and has been whisked out of the DP and can't get back because of the federal government.

EDlois could only be Lois if Chloe's life completely fell apart and when Lex destroyed DP credibility.

Let iconic season eight begin!

I think he should be right where he's going to be. And I'm glad the producers see it my way.

Clark starting at the Ledger is boring. What else does it do but keep him held back, at the bottom, with Chloe. Clark should be in Metropolis, working himself up the latter of the DP, getting the news first and helping those that need him.

He knows the DP backwards and forwards. He's there damn near everyday. Observing Lois will teach him the tricks of the trade. His mind is far more advanced than humans, he's not going to forget anything. He'll learn, he'll gain experience from the second episode on, and he'll advance because he will get to the story faster than anyone at the Daily Planet. His talent will be undeniable. Everyone will be jealous of him. He'll make a name for himself.

A independent Clark, getting the news himself, not depending on Chloe for everything. Am I in heaven? Where's those Victoria's Secrets angels?

I swear, it is hilarious. Why not indeed?

The sides of me are at war. One wants a real honest story. The other loves the lying liars who lie.

I apologize if someone said this as blatantly already. Lois enters the DP thanks to Luthor, and Clark enters thanks to Luthor... Initially Chloe enters thanks to a Luthor.

I think it won't be said or happen onscreenville but Clark gets his job because he is on Tess' radar and she wants him around cuz all the bad people are facinated with Lex's toys.

Its just wrong and lazy writing YMMV.

No, Chloe was given a column in Exodus because she made a deal with Lionel. HOWEVER, back in season one, in Obscura, she wrote an independent piece for The Ledger which was so good that she was given an internship, one of four in the state, by the Planet. Her first time working there was under her own merit. Also, after being BLACKLISTED, she earned her way onto the basement tip line by bringing a printable, provable (see CDC reports) story to Kahn. This is very different.

Lois had an unprovable story about spaceships, was hired by Grulian anyway, and then was given perks like a per diem while making out with him.

Clark's getting into the DP because...his name is Clark Kent.

Also, why would I want to know how Clark became a pulitzer winning journalist. My mistake. I guess I should go work for the DP. I have just as much experience as Clark does. Hanging out in the basement and having lunch with your friend does not prepare you to be a reporter. Also, I hope Clark likes learning how to go down on his editor and still NOT get published. I mean, if Lois is going to teach him everything she knows. Also, after she does that in the first five minutes, what will Clark do after that?

I think we just don't know enough details yet, so we're are speculating and fanwanking and being snarky as is our want before PS3 have been given a chance to show their ducks lined up in a row. Maybe the (assumed) scruffy/bearded/boatworker Clark has had time (3 months in the Arctic)to be introspective and has been re-evaluating his "destiny" and life choices when GA and company rescue him and make the case for an insider at the DP. I like Eurybia 's suggestion of dual spy roles for the BDA and Tess, and I always felt that the iconic Supes wasn't at the DP because of a passion for a career in newsgathering.

It may be that the 2008 DP human resources dept requires journalism degrees, but if Ollie is publisher, that's no impediment. If Lex still owns the DP, he, too, knows that Clark can do the job, and would want him there for other reasons. Anyway, I know of no canon that said all former Supes had college degrees.

Then what if it turns out, as Chloe wondered in Combat, that "super sleuthing" is one of her freaky skills? While she always had journalistic ambitions, investigating as part of an overall pursuit of truth and justice can be just as fulfilling, perhaps more so. I don't think it's so farfetched to have her react to the prison experience by shifting to a career concerned with the administration of justice -- within or outside of the official justice system.

These characters are, what? 22 years old? Still in the formative stage, IMO. Heck, these days it is not unusual for people to have one career for, say, 15-20 years, and an entirely different one as they reach mid-life and long for a change.

Yes, the Goughlar track record of unfulfilled promises, dropped plot lines, lack of continuity, passion for triangles, has us trigger happy for good reason -- but I'm not so jaded as to deny PS3 their shot at making things right.

*happy ensconced in Luxor*

I'm jaded enough to view this as a blatent attempt to make things wrong.

Further, I understand now how they can continue to keep Lois at the Planet without her having the skills to print a story. Clark will carry her. It's fascinating in a road kill sort of way.

Smoke a cigerette, with the biggest grin on his face ever? I think I saw a fanfic about Lois teaching Clark certain things like that.

Thanks for providing clarity Tobi. It pains me when fan fic is better written and thought out than the stuff people are getting paid a good dollar to produce. I understand that there are those who want to see Lois and Clark at the DP and see the suit and Clark flying, but it feels like Starwars episodes I, II, III. And by that I mean, like a big let down.

No, what it is is character development. This show doesn't seem to like dealing with character development. They don't like plots where the centerpiece is the character, they much prefer whatever hastily written plot they throw the characters into and we guess character motivation based on that. I honestly can't remember the last legitimate "character is the center" storyline this show had. Chloe's powers don't count when it's not mentioned for episodes and then somewhere she's able to master them in Offscreensville.

Clark working at the Ledger would be interesting. It would have him build up. There is no drama, there is no cathartic relief, there's no "yay!" if there's no risk and no struggle. It would be like if Rocky walked into the ring with Clubber Lang and knocked him out in one punch. The struggle humanizes the characters and makes their victory feel like our victory. Compare Thirst's "Up, up and away" to Kara's "If you don't take the job, you'll get fat."

If I had the power to lift buildings, would I suddenly become a good novelist? Your stomping ground to hone your skills shouldn't be the creme de la creme of newspapers.

In their defense, Clark is an authority on spaceships, so it's only natural he'd skip the internship and jump right into full time reporting.



Yes, but he's Super! Thanks for asking.

Oh, God. Jimmy Olsen is more qualified than Lois Lane and Clark Kent. Jimmy Olsen has more experience. Jimmy Olsen is the only one of the three who actually got his job in a legitimate, untainted way. Our Jimmy "Egyptians!" Olsen. I feel like I'm going to throw up.

Word! Gigantic amounts of word! Characters can't just end up where the need to be for no reason. It's lousy storytelling. It's worse than lousy storytelling.

What really gets me is this show has gotten a longer run than Buffy, Angel, and (the soon to be over) Battlestar Galactica, all vastly superior shows with writers who, y'know, actually write storylines that (usually) make sense.

LOL. Too true.

Nothing in this recent information has changed the way I felt after Arctic. Smallville is no more. A new show is debuting in September with the same title and with the same cast playing characters of the same names, but it is a different show with different continuity.

As long as I think that way, all of this total bullshit lightswitching won't bother me and I can just enjoy seeing Superman on TV.

There's plenty of room on the Reboot Train, if anybody wants to join me in this.

kenm I tried that with SG1 Season 9 - just couldn't do it. Maybe I can keep watching SV after the Reboot, but my previous experience with other shows, not just SG1, is telling me different.

Clark working for Oliver spying on Tess certainly plays into the theme of double identities. I hate they've tainted his entrance into the DP (I mean, I always thought he had some love for journalism), but the show needs someone there if they're not putting Chloe back. Dumb and Dumber just don't cut it.

Also, happy Clana, remember? Was anything but.
TCA Lex and Nois? Not so much
Triangles? Nope.

Also, them working together? Cue much unconscious Nois and Jimmy, while Clark saves the day and in half a season or less, on a show where people don't have to stick to the DP, in the end it's not going to translate to much scenes between them. For one, does anyone expect Clark to be chasing a story every week without an over-reaching arc like investigating Tess? Ollie isn't around for 12 eps to twiddle his thumbs, he's there to investigate something ie Tess, IMO.

re:Doomie and Chloe - Romance or not, I'm just hoping it's some indication that the incredibly awful and deadly boring Chimmy is done if it is. Also, Lana and Lex? Clark's major LIs seem to go for the bad guys before Clark is the one to rescue them (so to speak). I'm just glad AM isn't saddled with Jimmy and Nois and instead is with an actor who can, you know, act.

Actually, I think Chloe and DooMT sounds really interesting. There's a very interesting contrast with him being a healer who takes lives and her being one who gives her own. Also, it'll be so great to see the new edgy cast member with Chloe instead of Lois or Lana. It's not going to make up for the utter disappointment that was the destruction of Chlex, but hey. It could be cool.

My thoughts exactly, Liv. And while it does taint his entrance into the DP, we know that by the end of the season, the DP will be redeemed (unless we're supposed to believe Lex remains the owner into Futureville). Once it's redeemed, he can be brought in in the right way.

I think that's the thing that gets me. This is a hero tale. And heroes have to do things the right way. None of this crap will cut it.

At least one good thing is going to come out of the Lois and Clark show. Clark looking at Lois like a dumbass every time she tries to act smart and Lois getting knocked unconscious so she doesn't see Clark use his power.

Also, PS3 can no longer claim this is going to line up with the comics. Clark is working at the DP. The use of the disguise is going to be ridiculous especially when it will come to Lois and Jimmy. If that disguise still works, if PS3 plan on using it, Lois and Jimmy will becomes the dumbest fucks in history.

Dumb or iconic... To-MAY-to, to-MAH-to, right? ;)

Hey this reminds me of Dicotic where Chloe and Lana were dating the same man. Maybe that is why they used the word secret identities on plural. Doom will play both of them. Isn't that great a family triangle is so fresh and new that it might be true *vomits*

But, Adela, they have a built-in excuse for Clark's flimsy disguise - he was permanently affected by his 3 month disappearance. TPTB could have him donning the glasses because "my eyesight was damaged". I'm not saying it's a good disguise and certainly anyone not seeing through it who has known Clark previously could be categorized as lame, but it's at least a reason and heaven knows TIIC are chronically short of reasons for much of what the characters do.

That's what I'm hoping for out of this too. I hope they've learned their lesson from the waste that was Chlex.



Yeah, that's done with. It doesn't line up with the movies or the comics.



Not really a problem with these two.

You read "Chimmy" is done; I read "Chloomy Love Triangle." But I'm cynical and pessimistic.

Ah, Jesus. I don't even know where to begin.

First, I guess I'm not completely surprised with the TV Guide article that Clark is going to take a seat across from Nois. Count me in as one that agrees that Clark works there to watch Tess. This makes sense to me, especially if Tess picks up on the Level 33.1 experiments that Lex started. Watching Tess = Protecting Chloe from Level 33.1. (Maybe I'm wrong...)

This fits in with the quote about "double identities". Clark appears to care about journalism, but instead, works to undermine Tess/Level 33.1. I'm willing to bet that "double identities" = "hidden agendas".

Another guess as to why Clark might be at the DP is because, maybe Lana buys it-which would give her a non-romantic plot device to return to the show a few times in a very limited capacity (HINT PTB). Lana would hire Clark w/o experience to do whatever.

I think there's a strong argument that Clark's not qualified that's not being taken seriously enough. I'd like to see something to explain his placement in the DP, because otherwise, a wizard did it.

Second, SV is an old and a tired show. It really is. If I were a PTB I'd want to make as much noise as possible to get people to watch. This spoiler about Clark and Nois is doing exactly that. Chlarkers are frustrated and pissed. I understand that. Cloisers are elated. I understand why - (but do not agree). What's not missed by me is the fact that ED still only has limited episodes. It's AM that has a full 22 episodes. The show may be spoiling Clois, but, I think what were going to get is Chlark.

Chloe helping Clark with the job--because god knows, Clark's going to prefer Chloe's help and trust it a hell of a lot more.

Clark helps Chloe with her powers--because it seems to me that AM has mentioned they were going to get into Chloe's powers I used tags because I'm not sure if it's offically publicized or not.

Honestly, it sounds to me, as if Clois = S7 Clana. It looks good on the surface, but overall, it's not going to work. Plus, if Nois leaves the DP high and dry, cannot this mean Chlois??

I guess I'll need to see how Lana's absence is handled myself before I decide.

I'm a pretty optimistic person, and as a Chlarker, I want Chlark: but the PTB are smart to make me wait until the last moment before they deliver.

Back in my Roswell heyday, I was one of the few Max & Liz shippers that hated the notion that Max changed Liz when he healed her in pilot. So many fans thought that Liz had powers, or a special connection to Max after that day. I saw those ideas as a major contrivance to justify their romance, thus ruining it. So, when I had the opportunity to stand and talk to a producer, I asked about this theory. KKB told me, not to worry about it and that they weren't going to go there.

Guess what! One year later, they did it. They changed Liz.

They waited for the last second to do it, but, it did become canon on that show.

My point in sharing this is that just because it looks like one thing, in this moment, doesn't mean it will be. Shows will do what makes sense. The history of Clois and Chlark clearly shows that Chlark is the stronger and more loving relationship. Should PTB end Clois, I don't fault myself for not seeing it. I fault them for being asses.

YMMV

Reminds me of the Chlark save in Noir.

Chloe: You didn't have to wait till the last minute you know.
Clark: What fun would that be?

(or something to that effect)

Problem is, I am NOT having fun and I have no faith in follow through.

I have no faith either. I no longer know if they're stalling or if they just have no end point. I have no reason to believe that they will "end" at the most logical place or give us the payoff that makes sense. I'm at the point where I don't think there's a light at the end of the tunnel. Right now, I don't even think that they think this Lois is bad.

I don't think TATB see Lana or Lois as being less-than-respectable as far as ethical issues go. For the record, I don't think Lois is bad per se either. She's made a couple of bad choices, sure, but she's not a bad person. Of course, if you mean bad as in poorly written, then I concur.

I am reminded of how appalled I was that Willow had no real consequences after killing a guy. I am as appalled with where SV is/has been going.

That's what I meant, not going into ethical/moral situations.

Wow. I didn't even think about this. Wow. Of course they're going to go there. Because what's Smallville without multiple love triangles?

I don't either. Insensitive, absolutely! (heh) And stupid. But not evil. However, IMO, she's obviously not Lois Lane material either. If she learned from her bad choices, that would be one thing. But instead, we get GroisGate, from which she learned, "Dating coworkers is hard!" My speculation is we'll get more of the same this season.

Sue Denim, I love your optimism. And IA that producers/writers lie!

Am I the only one psyched about these spoilers? Black Canary, Aquaman AND Martian Manhunter, all in the premiere?! Come on!

Woo!

Did the TV Guide article imply that Hartley is only a 12 episode regular (12 is an odd number, so I'd actually assume 13)?

Or am I reading it wrong?

Because by my count that would make it:

Clark - 22 episodes
Chloe - 22 episodes
Lana - 7 episodes (I think that was the last number I heard)
Lois - 13 episodes
Jimmy - 13 episodes
Oliver - 13 episodes (?)
Tess - 13 episodes (?)
Davis - 13 episodes (?)

It seems like they'd need Tess in more episodes, at least, to function as their primary villain. But I guess if she and DavisDay don't overlap much, it could work, with other, one episode villains thrown in.

I suppose they had Lex for 22 episodes and mostly didn't use him, or didn't use him effectively.

I can't believe it. I am actually looking forward to a season of Smallville.