4 people should be at the Planet to roughly line up with Supes in the end. Clark, Jimmy, Perry, and Lois whoever she may be. Since Chlark and Chloe are a team, as recent Lois and Clark incarnations, it seems logical to see them there together. However if they work together first at the Daily Star (paper or blog matters not to me) that would be a very cute shout out to Supes history where the first paper was the Daily Star. That's part of the reason I so love the Daily Star blog idea. It's a way to show Chloe's continued passion for exposing the truth, a chance to pull Clark into reporting as another secondary avenue for justice.

I'm saying it's not something he loves to do. That's another aspect of this whole show, it's not showing the superheroic lifestyle as something he enjoys. If his 9-5 job is something he HAS to do as well, there's no refuge. Tony Stark loves inventing and making that suit, not seeing the same kind of enjoyment from Clark regarding . . . anything. I'm left thinking that left to his own devices, he would've chosen a much different job.

So unless we see Clark as mainly a tool that exists for our benefit and our benefit is the paramount good, then I don't see this as a wonderbar thing. It's something akin to perpetual slavery where we don't care because we're getting ours.

Good to know my worries are mine and mine alone, Fallen One. ;) I shall take my overthinking and shelve it. After all, when has Smallville ever done something like that! [/very obvious sarcasm]

Lois is falling in love with Clark? On SV? News to me.

Why would she accept it when she has such deep-seated issues about heroes? Why would she be okay with him having lied to her about being exactly who she didn't want to be with, and why would Clark put her through that especially after that conversation? It'd be worse than the Clana issues, because Lana went after important, heroic men almost as a rule, but Lois has confided in him that she wants to avoid that. It was one of the things that SV really sold me, and I have to lay the credit for that at ED's door.
Yes, Clark was helping people. Chloe didn't take credit for that, she just took credit for THE STORIES SHE WROTE. What's difficult to understand about that? What credit did Clark deserve when he was outside fighting meteor freaks and she was at the computer making her fingers bleed? No one's saying that Clark shouldn't be recognized for helping people, but there's absolutely no reason why the stories Chloe wrote should be credited to him.

And how would you have reacted if Lex had fired Lois? In any case, regardless of how you feel about Lex, his position in the story is that of an antagonist, and a villainous one at that. So when the villain gains ground, the heroes don't just accept it, nor should the viewer be expected to. I'm absolutely okay with Lex having fired Chloe, because now that cements the fact that the DP is where she's supposed to be in my mind. It's her destiny.

I mentioned that 4 people being at the DP makes for a crowded situation a few pages back. I agree with Craig. While the DP is at the heart of the Superman universe, the show is still called Smallville, not Metropolis (though you wouldn't know it sometimes). I just think having 3 people there is enough. Last season Lex didn't even get there till midseason. Up until then it was only Chloe, Lois, and Jimmy. So I think its good to keep at 3. Doomsday works at a club in Metropolis, Lois and Jimmy work at the DP, Contessa works at Luthorcorp. Chloe, if she isn't Isis, should have a job somewhere in Smallville. Somebody on the show needs to work in Smallville besides Clark.

Re Clark being at the DP sans Chloe:

I don't think Clark's progress, which is leading toward him accepting Lois' offer of working at the DP, should be haulted to appease Chloe. I mean what are we asking here? Its Clark Kent.. its the Daily Planet...

He belongs there, for SO many reasons. Progression in Clark is the most important aspect of next season bar none. No character should sacrifice that. Lex is presumed dead and is no longer in control of the DP (so far as anyone knows), there is no reason on Earth why Clark shouldn't accept Lois' offer. Its a good opportunity, its a less strainuous job than a farmer, and its a way for him to do so much more in the world (even though he's already saved the world plenty of times). Plus its a good way for him and Lois to spend even more time together.. (but lets just leave that one out alone for now).

Nothing against blogs but personally I would prefer Chloe's time away from the Planet be at an honest to goodness newspaper. With the re-introduction of a regular heralding from Star City who probably owes Chloe a favor or two Chloe freelancing with a paper named the "Daily Star" almost makes a bit of sense. It also means they'll probably never do it.


Perhaps the same reason Lois decided to become a reporter after having told both Clark and Chloe she had absolutely no interest in journalism. Whatever that reason is.
The same reason Clark kept pursuing Lana even after deciding that his greatest power is his ability to hurt her?

First of all, where did we see Clark being led toward "accepting Lois' offer of working at the DP"? EDLois can't "offer" him the job; all she can do is suggest he work there. And secondly, Clark declined, and seemed annoyed by her lack of concern for Chloe. While I agree that this is foreshadowing for Clark working at the Planet, I very much doubt he's going to effectively take his best friend's job. Surely there's a way the writers can get him there that doesn't make it look like he's stepping on Chloe to do it.

At any rate, I don't think anyone is talking about "appeasing" Chloe. It's a matter of what storylines make sense. Does it make sense for Chloe to be wrongly fired by the villain, and never get the chance to regain her job? If it's a good thing for her to leave the Planet when Lex or his minion is in charge, why is it a good thing for Clark to join the Planet? If Clark joins the Planet later, after the paper's association with Lex has been severed, then why wouldn't Chloe return?



Having Chloe work in Smallville because "somebody" needs to work there doesn't seem like organic storytelling to me. As I mentioned above, Chloe's worked for the DP for three years, plus as an intern. She's been strongly associated with the DP for a long time. We know working for the DP has been her lifelong dream, and we haven't seen her pulled strongly in a career direction other than journalism this season. Had the writers really wanted to get her out of journalism entirely, it would have been an easy enough thing to do with a few lines of dialogue (whether it would have been believable is debatable, but at least it would have been clear). Instead they left the whole situation unresolved, and I see no reason to assume she's out of journalism for good at this point. YMMV, of course.

And he wouldn't be. Chloe's job has already been filled. Clark would be taking on an intern position.



And when it comes to storylines making sense, there is where everyones mileage varies. For one thing, I don't really feel like Chloe was wrongly fired. She had been using the DP resources for things that had nothing at all to do with the DP. Heck, she was hacking into Lex's stuff from the DP server for Oliver. Maybe the key thing was lame, but IMO its really, really hard to say that Lex didn't have justifable reasons for axing Chloe. Villian or not. And I think the issue for me isn't if leaving the DP because Lex is in charge is a good thing for Chloe, as much as wanting an answer to the question "Is leaving the DP a good thing for Chloe because her passion for journalism has waned, and her life is moving in another direction?" And that question would also go towards explaining why, or why not, Chloe would return the DP if someone else bought it.

Whats good for Clark at this point in his life, and whats good for Chloe at this point in her life, might not be the same thing. I hope next season we find out, from the horses mouths, just what Clark and Chloe do feel is right for them, and what direction they want to move in. To me, there's a lot more story there then finding out why Oliver became GA.



If Chloe remains at Isis, she wouldn't be working in SV. Isis is in Metropolis. If she does remain at Isis, I really hope they do a far better job of explaining what Isis is then they did last season. If Chloe truly wants to help other meteor infected people, I think thats noble. But I need an explanation of just exactly how they are being helped.

Taken to All Seasons.

I think we've already gotten this storyline: Actually, as far as Nois knows Ollie is a handsome, hardworking businessman. But she also knows he's a great friend, loyal, trustworthy, brave, and strong. To her Ollie has no secret idenity, no secrets at all really. And thats why she falls in love with him - the person, first. And she rejects the superhero part of him later, when she finds out his secret.



Saying you'll never be a reporter just because and crying that you can't date a superhero because of your daddy issues are two very different things. Nois' reasons for not wanting to date a superhero are valid and stem from her upbringing. Clark would be an ass to put her in this position after what she confided in him and he'd be an idiot to go back to secweths and lieths after 7 years of Clana. Jmo.

Because she loves him. Same reason why he would give an exclusive tell-all interview with her than his mere friends.

Its not like Clark is hiding that he's a Drug Lord with a toupee. He's just hiding that he's the last child of an Alien race and posseses extraordiany powers due to his genes. Why wouldn't Lois accept that if she loves him?



I knew that was never going to happen. The DP is Lois' terrority. And she's its soon-to-be-in-season 8- star reporter. But if it did happen I'd be happy because I would know that it would only speed up Lois doing her expose on Lex, and I would know Perry would be casted and would rehire her. I couldn't lose in either case.



But Chloe already accepted it. She said she was ok with being fired because she wanted to get out of the DP anyways. Sounds like acceptance to me. And if she has accepted it, and if the writers have accepted it (which it sounds like they have), the viewers will have no choice in accepting it. Next season will tell the tale though. But I'm just glad that Lex, after being hacked by Chloe for so many damn years, got the last laugh on her. And she could never get him back too. As a Lex fan, gotta love that it was he and he alone that took away all her dreams :D

He's gotta get Lana next. Please oh please let MR return next season to kill her ass.

Except that Superman/CK is supposed to have integrity. And Clark actually displayed some by reacting as he did to Lois' suggestion.

Right now, the only reason to have Clark accept the offer is to throw Clois together and to align SV with the comics. So in that sense, yes, he does need to start working there, and I suppose S8 is when it can start happening. But is that what it's come to? Balls to the wall just to have this canvas resemble others, even if it means destroying the characters? Even many Nois fans agreed that her proposition to Clark was unattractive, which it was, truly. I'm glad Clark can see that.

I guess I just hope that the writers find a way to tell their storyin S8 without shitting on it. YMMV.

I beg to differ. I don't think Chloe would be going to nightschool for journalism classes while working full time at the Planet if she were lukewarm about it. Likewise there were a number of times this last season where we are either shown or told that Chloe was putting in truly ridiculous hours at work in season seven. She's doing that because she'd rather be doing something else?

Everything that we have been shown is that the only thing Chloe was tired of was being under Lex's thumb. Once the DP is back in good hands I'm positive she'll be back there.

Right. This is a story. Stories move forward via the protagonists being challenged by some antagonistic force (in this case Lex Luthor). Story structure pretty much demands that the injustice be reversed and Chloe get her job back. Based on their resumes PS3, like AlMiles, are completely uninterested in producing the sort of antistructuralist plot that Chloe just giving up on the DP would require. PS3 and AlMiles hold pretty exclusively to the classical plot structure with only a few nods to minimalism (and even then only to those things which are the natural result of working on an ongoing television series vs. a two-hour movie).

On the matter of four members of the cast working at the DP being too crowded... how so? LnC had Lois, Clark, Perry, Jimmy and Cat Grant all working in the same office. The current comics add Ron Troupe and Steve Lombard to that list. That's five to seven people at the DP with no problems at all.

To me it's kinda like complaining that the Torch was too crowded because we had four of the characters working at it (Chloe, Clark, Pete, and Lana all worked on the school paper). Superman stories are often focused around journalism... be it at the Planet or a stand-in. This is the last season so I think it only makes sense that the action would be centered around the Daily Planet... because that's where it's usually focused in an adult Superman story.

He doesn't seem to like journalism, he doesn't seem to like being around people (he likes being alone and I don't hold that against him), the boss is someone he has a tortured history with, they treated Chloe poorly, etc.

As for journalism being less strenuous than a farmer? That's highly debatable; they're strenuous in different ways one being more physial intensive and one being more mentally intensive. The super strength and super speed of Clark makes farming easier than it would be for a common man. But all his powers, while it might help him "find" clues it won't help him a) talk to people, b) improve his overall investigation skills, c) write a story, d) come to conclusions about things. Not to mention that in the DP there's competition while as a farmer Clark is his own boss.

That being said, like others have remarked, I don't know why this show seems to have this low regard for farmers.

Right, Lex just played Lois for a dupe. Shows so much better on her. And we have no indication that in S8 she'll be the DP's star reporter.

Bingo, the intern took Chloe's desk. Clark would be taking the place of the intern.



Maybe Chloe just won't want to return. She already stated as much.

About my appeasing Chloe remark:

I just don't want to see more undeserved, unneeded, and unneccessary guilt placed on Clark next season. He didn't fire her, Lex did. And he didn't ask her to hide Lionel's key, she did so herself. And he didn't go looking for employment at the DP, the job was offered to him by his friend. And lastly, its not like he's taking her place at the DP, its simply a intern position. If Clark wants to get another job he should be free to do so without Chloe's puppy eyes making him feel guilty for doing so. She lost her dream job.. and that sucks for her, but thats her problem, not Clark.

Because Chloe writes a blog or works at a lesser newspaper, doesn't mean Clark accept less and turn down a better opportunity. It would be like turning down a job at Microsoft to work at What-a-Burger. (No offense to What-a-Burger workers, just saying that one job gets more fame and glory) And I would perfer that he not follow her around to other jobs. I like the idea of him seizing the opportunity and taking the intern job. It'll be a step in the right direction.



And miss all those flashbacks of a shirtless Oliver on an island with not one but TWO coconuts? Just can't sacrifice that.

I see absolutely no evidence on this show that Chloe is going to nightschool. Where are her books? When is she studying? Have we ever seen her say "I have to get to class"? And how exactly if she working all those nights at the DP when she's also in night school?

For me, IMO, when I see some shred of evidence that Chloe is actually in school, I'll factor it into her current ambitions.

And a lot of the time we've seen Chloe putting in ridiculous hours at work, we don't actually see what she's doing (well, except the hacking for Oliver stuff). I'm not disputing that she spends a lot of time at the DP, but thats not the same to me as her showing a passion for journalism, or her getting excited over a story, or her being out and investigating a story (not to help Clark, but to print), its that which is lacking. Isn't that one of the reasons people refer to her as "Pod-Chloe"?



Does Lois really have any reason to believe that Jimmy would be lying to her? I do hope that this is a plot thread that they pick up next season. I'd hate to see Jimmy's deal with Lex, and what he's done because of just get swept under the carpet. My impression of Lois in that scene was that she was skeptical of Jimmy, but then felt like he deserved the benefit of the doubt. JMHO

Grant from "Kara": "(Chloe) Anne Sullivan, former editor of the Smallville High Torch, taking Met U. journalism classes by night while writing filler stories sandwiched between sofa ads by day."

Of course, Grant is not an entirely reliable witness, but in this case Chloe and EDLois didn't correct him, so we can probably assume it's true.

I forgot that who needs storytelling when you have mythos?
Why no one placed a warning label on the show back on 2001: Smallville: You might want to tune in during the last episode since nothing that happens in between will have a point anyway...

Responding in All Seasons.

Of course it's Clark's problem. He's her best friend! If my best friend lost his job and his cousin came sleazing around my door suggesting that I capitalize on his firing ("Absolutely!" UGH), what kind of a fucking pal would I be to try and move my ass into his grave--one that I hadn't really ever considered and hadn't shown an interest in since writing for a high school newspaper more out of a favor to my friend than anything else? I have a lot of problems with the BDA, but I will give him credit for calling bullshit on Nois' proposition. I just hope he sticks to it next season UNTIL we hear something from Chloe.

And I don't want to see Guilty!Clark any more than the next person next season, but just because he's historically moped around and blamed his fool self for everything under the sun doesn't mean he should be absolved of his duty to act responsibly and be a good, loyal friend with values and integrity from here on in. Also, no one placed guilt on Clark but Clark. I see no reason why he should be handed a "Fuck it! I've been mopey long enough, get out of my way!" pass for anything given that he CHOSE to behave like a 12-year-old for so long.

Well sure, but what does he look like with his shirt off?



It would also be a nice arc for Chloe to realise that being a reporter is her dream, with or without the Planet. A blog would be fantastic! She could be one of those sites that reports on all the wacky shit that goes down in Smallville and Metropolis. It would all be true, but most people wouldn't believe it (ala Perry teasing her for her 'creativity' in Perry).

And, I'd prefer Chloe not to return to the Planet unless Lex no longer owns it.




See, I completely wasn't paying attention to that line. OK, so Chloe is still at University. Great. I could go on about how one line a year after the fact is pretty lame, but at least they threw it in. That still leaves both Clark and Lana as college dropouts. And oh yeah, Lois too.

Firstly, great message to send to the kids. Secondly, would the Planet really be hiring people without college educations?

I'd love for Perry to bring the "old guard" back to the Planet and hire Chloe back. That would be so cool and fitting seeing as the old guard (Kahn) hired Chloe in the first place (while Clonian hired Nois).

That's just Chloe's defense mechanism kicking in. Just like in Vortex when she pulls the friends card on Clark because he ran out on her at the dance to save Lana, she pulled it to protect her heart. Chloe calling the DP a "black hole" and wanting out was nothing more than her trying to mask her pain by acting like the DP didn't mean anything to her.

I would too, but I imagine at this stage it would take some recasting to have him back.

As for the DP being Nois' territory, well, there again, if that actually occurs (which I doubt considering her affinity for working in a bar, which is something she can be fired for by Tess) she's taking over something the show has established is Chloe's territory from the age of 8. It's more SWF-ing, and no amount of what ILL should be is going to change that on this show Chloe did it first and was shoved out because the villian of the piece exerted his power over her and unfairly fired her. They've never made clear that she's done with the DP, and a forced roll of her eyes in order to keep Clark from discussing wat happened isn't an indication to me that she's done with the DP. More importantly, Clark essentially knocking back Nois' "offer" of a position is more important to me - Clark doesn't want to be there, not when he considers it Chloe's place (as the DP is ILL's).

In regards to any expose, I'm hoping for Tess killing Nois eventually since MR isn't coming back. Perhaps she is the faux!baby, or a Luthor never before seen...actually, come to think of it, for Nois to die by a Luthor's hand, I suppose having her being Lionel's daughter by someone else works rather well - couldn't she be Lena Thorul? Or like Doomie, a version thereof, I guess.

As for Chloe, I want to see her forced to disguise herself for the first episode or even longer. If Lana can waltz around Shanghai thinking she's incognito in a blonde wig, then Chloe can go around the DP with dark hair undercover herself. There's no reason for her to go into hiding if Clark can get away with a pair of glasses, a change in hair color is about an effective disguise as anything. Maybe glasses too, who knows.

I'd like that - Tess hasn't seen Chloe, and she knows her way around the DP well enough to not be caught, so I don't see why she can't start investigating Tess from the inside. That would make sense as to why Nois has been relegated to a bar set with Doomie, and Jimmy, well, throw another pair of big breasts at him and I'm sure that will keep him occupied and out of Chloe and Clark's hair.



I LOVED that he knocked back Nois' "offer". If he thought that Chloe was done with the DP, and she would be okay with it, it would have played out very differently.



I believe a Barn Door of Inspiration and a Drunken Hook-up are the requirements to make Clark accepting Nois' offer believable on this show.



Absolutely, I do too. That being said, I'm really liking the idea of Clark being employed at the DP, Chloe the one in disguise in an effort to figure Tess out. As a mail room clerk or something - it would be easy for Chloe to hide out there with him and stay out of everyone's way at least.

I had an odd idea that I'm not entirely comfortable with. What if Doomsday killed Lois? So in the Death of Superman story we had these fake Supermen, until the real one was revealed. Well there is little suspense in killing Clark now that it's been done, but if you killed Lois and Chloe...

Yes, I know. The story is supposed to be about Lana, I mean Clark.

Oh, I LIKE that, BP!! Killing Clark was the "big" finale shocker for him in the Pink Script of Suck (aka *yawn*) so I would be incredibly surprised to see them do this with Doomie instead of a recycling a dieing!Clark storyline.

CLARK: So I'm supposed to be happy that my best friend was fired?
LOIS: Absolutely

seems pretty much like:


So Chloe's happy resolution is to be fired by Lex? Unbelievable. I can't imagine this as a happy resolution for anyone.

If that is the writer's theory, it is a pure pro-Clois perception management tactic. Kind of reminiscent of the "Emperor's New Clothes". Keep telling us that the storyline is happy and right and we will foolishly believe that? A bit transparent of the writers to keep trying to sell us this (not that Craig is a writer, but they seem to have the same perspective based on the Arctic dialog). Does this also mean that Grant Gabriel telling Chloe she has lost her mojo is the voice of truth versus a smarmy tabloidesque editor looking for Aliens on Earth headlines? (It was true about the aliens, but he had no reason to believe it). It would appear in the "dump Chloe so as to elevate Lois" campaign, that is precisely the perception management the writers are trying to provide. Again, a dozen ways to accomplish what they want -- instead they litterally dump on Chloe's happiness to provide Lois opportunity.

There were a dozen ways to have Chloe leave the Daily Planet to support Lois and Clois, it defies logic to me that her leaving by being fired by Lex was a happy resolution. If the writers are pursing this perspection management travesty, I am going to speculate that Chloe won't even mention the Daily Planet in S8. I think we were supposed to pick that up from the book she was reading in Sleeper. Or was it the way she devoted 30 seconds to the topic within minutes of being fired?


Bad Toad,
1)
The issue is not whether the villian of the story had an excuse to fire Chloe, it's whether or not this represents a "happy" resolution for Chloe. As the audience we know that Chloe essentially lost her job because she prioritized helping Clark over her journalism. But that does not make losing her job a happy experience. Further, although it's true that Lex probably could prove that Chloe used the DP for her personal pursuits, we can't say she wasn't working on Daily Planet business for her required time each day. The long hours indicated to me that she was working more than 9 to 5 so it's ambiguous as to whether or not she was performing her duties as required. As for non-DP work, perhaps with interns or reporters in night-school it's okay for them to use the research. Chloe could claim it was student work. So, while I can understand that from what we saw on-screen, we could reasonably speculate that Lex could easily have used his data he gathered to fire her -- he didn't. He accused her of keeping a key from him. Theoretically, Lex has no proof that key is his. Lionel gave the key to Chloe and Lex took it. Under what legal basis did he take the key from her? She even said (although we know she lied) that she wouldn't have kept it from him. He fired her because he was pissed. He could have fired Lois for being a lousy speller. He seemed to have no problem randomly firing anyone based on Chloe's commentary in Persona. The way the scene was played, if you showed it to someone without any prior knowledge of the two characters, they'd certainly have a hard time calling the specific reason she was fired "just". Finally, from an audience perspective, Chloe is considered one of the "good guys" who was fired because she supported the "hero" of the story. That seems neither "just" as a plotline nor "happy" for the character.

2)
We did have evidence. When Grant rattled off Chloe's resume he said she was going to night school. On SV, that's more evidence than we typically get. What possible reason to make up the "night school" comment if she was not still at school.

3)
While I agree that doesn't mean she's passionate about journalism, it was clear that she was working her butt off to keep the Daily Planet floating in Persona. She turned down helping Bizarro for that. In Cure, Lana also remarked that she hadn't seen much of Chloe because the new editor had kept her so busy. So, there are at least two incidents where it was evident that her long hours had nothing to do with Clark or her personal business and everything to do with her job.

Having said all this, I think the writers will no longer pursue Chloe at school because "it's boring" --- so it's yet another dangling plot line.

FallenOne:
1)
- Lois has no ability to offer Clark a job, she took him an application. In the future she may be an important reporter but at this point in SV she's still in the basement with no pull --- and far far from the first lady of the Daily Planet at the current time.
- Taking a job at the place where your BFF was fired from for helping you is being an ingrate. Yes Chloe is a big girl and made her own decisions but of all the places Clark could work if he wanted to get away from the farm (which he has stated he does not), going to work where Chloe was fired due to helping him is not in keeping with Clark's personality. It's a Lois thing, not a Clark thing.

2)
This requires the meta "pre-destiny" argument. And Chloe wouldn't object so much as Clark would know that he was being rude. BTW, I actually hold Lois different than Clark in this regard. When Lois took the job I had no problem with it because it wasn't at Chloe's expense (Grant was being rude to Chloe but it was in keeping with his personality). More importantly, Lois had established herself as wanting to be in journalism and to leave The Inquisitor. Her taking advantage of the opportunity made far more sense than Clark moving in that direction.

3)
You forgot the floormats and the failed "favorite teacher" article.

Regardless of lame excuse, I am convinced they will show us Clark entering into the DP in S8 in order to close the pre-destination gap.

But back to the point I'm trying to make. The show has had several clunky moments with Chloe being pushed out of the Daily Planet this year. Some subtext about her being busy with superhero work has been attempted to show rationale but absolutely nothing has been provided to show this as a happy resolution for her character. I believe that the lazy writers are once again attempting to patch over these plot cracks as "I meant to that" ala Pee Wee Herman. I'm not about to fall for the posturing as anything but an attempted "spin" to sugar coat poor planning on their part. I fully expect them to continue this downward spiral for Chloe in S8 while artifically putting Lois and Clark together in the Daily Planet quickly because they are too incompetent to do it naturally.

Craig revealed new information in a press release from the CW about our new characters. Since Tennison said information from the CW is not considered spoilers, I'll talk about it here.

Here is the new press release.

I guess the name "Tess Mercer" makes it clear they're going for Tessmacher.

I for one am disappointed we don't get our Doomtender anymore (D(oo)MT?). It was such an ass backwards idea that I came to love it. I guess it does show that the new showrunners listen to complaints.

I vote DMT. DoomMedTech -- but there's no doubt it lacks the poetry of Doomtender. Still, perhaps Tennison can take credit for making such an instant classic that it spread it's derision for Doomsday's day job like wildfire. I can't think of a single positive comment from any pseudo-media website regarding Doomsday being a bartender. Perhaps someone noticed and decided to back away from being total laughingstocks.

I bet the reason Doomtender is now a paramedic is becuase the Ace of Clubs set is being restored to Oliver's tower.

Wow, those descriptions are... underwhelming. DMT (credit SueB) still sounds lame, and not a thing like the brainless killing machine I know and love. I can't wait until Lois is saying how much more heroic DMT is than Clark, because he is helping people. Plus, Lois can get her heart broken dating another super-person! Ironic anvils beat organic character development any day!

On the up side, maybe the bar is going to be turned back into Ollie's apartment. Having Lois work out of a bar just makes the jokes too easy.

Tess's description is so Mary Sue that it makes my brain hurt. I know MR leaving puts them in a bind, but this is the best they could come up with?For Zod's sake, that just sounds awful.

Unless Lex transplanted his brain into a cute blonde's body as part of his plan to seduce Clark. Then Tess is the best character ever.

Oh please Oh please! That Ace of Club set had only one good scene: Sherriff Cheshire cat and Clark in the AU. Otherwise it was just too glaring and OOC for Clark to hang out at a bar.

****crosses fingers we get Ollie back in the Clocktower*********

Heh I'm surprised they havent made Lex leave all his property to Lana.

It seems that everyone can fill the CEO position of a multi million dollar company nowadays.Way to go PS3. *thumbs up*

You know they're going to try to make it seem all tragic like "All he wants to do is help people!!! He's a good person!!! But alas, he becomes evil (cue Gir's Doom song)!!!" But right now all I can think is his supervisor reprimanding him for tearing the heart of a patient who merely had a broken arm.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Ben or "Ben and Glory" a doctor?

As much as I hated the Ace of Clubs, that set, even from what we know now, makes more sense than having Oliver's apartment around. At least there Doomtender can go when he's off duty. Is Lois going to invite her presumably new boyfriend to her old boyfriend's apartment?

I would be impressed with the show if Lex left his stuff to Gina and somehow Tess stole Gina's identity or Gina's will gave everything to Tess. Otherwise this "she's Lex's bestest best friend but we've never seen or heard of her before" rings flat to me. Or make her like Dawn where all the characters know her and remember her and have had adventures with her in the past but none of the audience has any clue who she is. And they never explain it either.

My problem with Clark entering the Planet in s8 is less about Chloe and more to do with the fact that he is in no way qualified for it!

The guy wrote a few articles in high school, didn't finish even a year at college and unlike Nois doesn't even have the Inquisitor/Green Arrow credit to his name. So why other than mythos says Clark Kent must work at the Daily Planet should this guy get even an internship at a world leading newspaper?

I wonder if Chloe could go back to college full time and be paid to be WT after Oliver gets her out of jail? I want at least one of them to finish their college education and lets face it Chloe is the only likely one.


Restoring Ollie's clocktower sounds like the best use of that set to me.

At least we'll get to call his ambulance the Doom-mobile. Or DooMobile, which sounds like part doom, part doo doo.

Anyway, I'm bringing the press release link over here.

Mercer, that's her last name? Ok folks we have Mercy then...

I never minded that since I figured the "training" everyone keeps going on about would amount to a whole lot of stuff being downloaded in his brain via the FOS which currenlty would have to be rebuilt into something sane. Alternatively, him entering the DP as a mail room clerk, in an effort to learn how things work there makes sense to me too. However, I loathe how much potential that is for Nois to treat him shabbily again because he's "only" a mail room clerk. I'd rather he not enter the DP then.



I don't want her to be paid to be anything for Oliver at all. I want her back at the DP; or working with something in regards to it.

I was wondering, though, what if the Ace of Clubs set becomes a place for Clark and Chloe? An apartment, but here's assuming they're actually going to move the characters to Metropolis. OR an apartment for Tess, I guess.

Funny thing, I guess we're done with the SV medical centre. Whereever Doomie's going to work is going to be the place everyone goes too...huh. Maybe we *are* done with everyone being in SV after all.

TV guide has a rather good pic of him in this announcement

In any well-written story (this is why I hesitate sometimes, associating this theory with Smallville), Chloe getting fired from her dream job by the villain would always be set up at some point, to give it back to her. The happy resolution comes when Chloe gets her job back and the villain gets his in the end, which is what Chloe even hints at when she is being escorted out of The Planet in "Descent".



I second that, SueB. That's pretty creative, but alas, not as good as Doomtender.



Well, if GA is going to show back up, wouldn't he need a place to store all of his cool toys? Would he really keep storing them at Isis (which, was ridiculous to begin with)? The man is a wealthy dude. I'm sure he can find a cool place to keep his gear.



I hate the idea of making Doomsday a person to begin with. I know this is Smallville and they twist and make new spins on the character (I am mostly completely okay with that because it's fresh), but here's the thing: I do NOT want to feel any kind of sympathy for the thing that kills Superman. And, here he is, a MEDIC. A guy who spends his time making sure people don't die.

At least, with Bizarro, Brainiac, Myx, Zod, and Lex, they showed those characters having no problem hurting people and doing what they needed to for selfish gain. But, here is Doomsday, the only character to ever kill Superman and he is a good-hearted, life-saving physician. That is so many kinds of wrong, it's ridiculous.

I don't even want to think about a possible romantic situation between Lois and Doomsday. The thought of it gives me the heebie-jeebies.

Yeah as much I hear about Chloe sleeping with Jimmy Olsen of all people is all kinds of wrong I think sleeping with the thing that kills Superman should at least match this.

Which is my point exactly. We're going to get a pro-Clois perception management campaign to be happy for Chloe because it frees her up to do other things rather than a well-written story. I'm calling BS on the attempt to claim Chloe's firing as a happy resolution (no matter how many "absolutely!"'s they throw at us and even if they have Chloe doing the pitching) -- the emperor is not wearing clothes and I'm not going to pretend he is.

Well put, Sue. I don't need PS3 to pee on my head and tell me it's raining (bad monkeys!), and I don't need them to say "Oh, we showed why Chloe is happier running away like a coward from Lex" when I did not see it on the show.

After seven years, hearing what the writers intended to show means a whole lot less to me than what appears on the air. Especially when they have time for crap like Sleeper, Hero or GroisGate, but major character changes for Chloe are banished to Offscreenville. I lost my patience for this kind of retro-active justification spin doctoring bullshit to cover up plot holes after season six (Lex always loved Lana! We explained Not!Baby! Lex is evil, so it is OK Lana was going to leave him at the altar!) YMMV.

Chloe fell in love with him first and even more after learning the secret, so frankly Lois should have an issue with knowing he's an Alien and will put the world over her. Clois in Smallville makes absolutely no sense IMHO


I strongly disagree for Chloe had a happy resolution when? She didn't quit the DP on her own Merit, didn't get fired because of her work, she was fired Unjustly by the villian, I'm sorry but good stroytelling would mean a redemption. I dunno, I think happy would mean she jumped up and down for Joy when Lex fired her, huge smiles, and maybe a chlex hug at the Planet when he fired her

Also as many have stated before, Clark did NOT accept Lois's offer just defended and showed his loyalties to Chloe.

Quite Frankly I rather have Clark consider joining, after the DP is liberated from it's corruption. And by his own merits, and not by some request of Nois, and her tabloid journalism. Unless one wants the message to be, Nois and Clark became star reporters because the DP lowered it's standard. That already tainted Nois, despite the fact of the other way they tarnished the character in S7. Also they made Jimmy Olsen a better reporter then Nois, smarter too if we go by Descent!


So to please the mythos that this show clearly doesn't wish to follow, Chloe, going back to her core traits this show and it's cannon has set up would be backward for the character? Especially since she was forced out of the DP unjustly by the villain?


Perry White, Cat Grant, Jimmy Olsen, Lois Lane, and Clark Kent were all in the Daily Planet in the first season of Lois and Clark, was it crowded then?

Sorry, but we are also forgetting Chloe and Clark are in all the episodes, so really in about half of the episodes, Chloe and Clark would be the only ones in the episode at the DP. But then look at Season 7, Lois Jimmy, Chloe were there with Clark constantly showing up and not to mention Grant. I didn't think it was crowded then. Also Lois isn't always shown in the DP anyway, Look at Arctic! Jimmy again, not always there, he doesn't even have a desk in the basement but like a storage closet in the distance. Besides the Basement set is huge, I'm sure 4 cast members can fit there.

If Bloom is no longer a bartender, can we fall back on "Bloomsday" as his nickname? The Joycean feel would elevate the subject matter, at least.

I feel like they're making the same mistake they made with Brainiac in season 5.

In an adaptation of a classic comic book superhero, of course classic villains will be brought over, but announcing that they are said classic villains before hand just kills the real impact that would have happened when the reveal takes place, had they not said anything.

This show is more about anticipation than delivery, in my opinion.

"Chloe's core traits" are a matter of opinion, Amber. I've said before - I see Chloe's traits as friend and confidante to Clark, inquisitive, generally good... none of those are traits about her that have changed. An original character like Chloe is great because those core traits can evolve.

Leaving the Daily Planet is a part of her evolution as a character. I think to send her back to the Planet would render the entire "get her out of there" story useless. Now, that's been done before - like Martha's working for Lionel the first time around, or even Chloe's alliance with Lionel... but this is a chance to move on with the character rather than step back. To NOT be at the Daily Planet gives Chloe her own unique traits, IMO, especially since Lois Lane is the iconic journalist female of the comic book canon.

Lois Lane at age 21 (or so) would not be sidekick to the superheroes. Chloe is. I really feel this is the direction the writers are going in.

And on the subject of Chloe-related spec... since the new sides were created before Allison had signed back on, I'm curious if Chloe will have any involvement with DooMT or Tess. A character in the way with Luthor associations is always interesting; but also, since Chloe is in all 22 episodes and Lois is not, what if it's Chloe who comes across this mysterious EMT instead?

Hey, it'd beat more Chimmy.

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I agree 100%. Though I also wish we had had more of Milton Fine as Clark's professor before he was revealed to have ANY Kryptonian connection. But yeah. I was watching him the whole time thinking "when is he going to reveal himself?"

I think that's part of the joy of Heroes and other shows like that; sometimes I have no idea what to expect because it's not all announced beforehand. And when it is kept a secret (Grulian?), it just makes no sense.

Nevermind...I answered my own question.

Just like defeating the villians makes their stories useless. No point in setting up a big arc with Lex or Brainiac and their evil scheme if Clark is just going to stop them. Oh wait, the whole point is to set up conflicts our heroes can over come.


And really, if the arc is used to show Chloe fighting to redeem the Planet, then I think it will do a fine job of showing her traits and who is the iconic character. As it is, the set up seems pretty fishy to justify shipping her off to Moes.

The press release specified Metropolis. I'm betting the SV Medical Center will receive a very slight facelift and a new exterior shot:-).

Response to Craig's post on the Chlois thread, as my remarks were not really speculative.



Exactly. As I said on the Chlois thread, I see Chloe's current situation as a conflict that needs resolution, not a resolution in and of itself.