I'm not sure I agree with this. As far as S7 is concerned, Clark has been spending less and less time with Chloe. He's been hanging around Lana, interacting with Kara, and as weird as it's been, randomly hanging out with Lois. And certainly Chloe and Jimmy have been spending time together. In fact, I would argue that it's the LACK of time spent on Chlark just hanging out that sort of highlights the occasions in which he shows up looking for information. And I still maintain that Clark is the impetus and Chloe just helps find the details for him as it's just her flair. So, for me? If Chloe is going to continue acting as a sidekick, and I hope that she does, I want to see more of the connection with Clark. This doesn't have to be in every episode, but there are ways to work it in...even little lthrowaways about what goes on in Offscreenville is better than nothing. I get that Nois and Clark will need to interact more, but what I don't want is to see his relationship with Chloe transfered onto Nois, and relegate Chloe solely to being his chloogle.

The problem with Chloe refusing to do research for Clark is that the onus will fall on the writers to figure out a different way to move the story along. I'm not sure I am willing to give up all of the hacking in favor of logic leaps 10 miles wide. Certainly, I hate it when random "tips" pop up (ala "Descent") with no explanation as it's hard to ignore such blatant contrivances. Also, the issue of Clark working alone makes it tough for the audience to know what's going on. Chloe's role is so important because her exposition and AM's ability to carry it off is basically the vehicle for story development. I believe we need that.

Something else I don't understand is why it would be favorable for Nois to help Clark scooby. It's been a sore spot for many that Chloe's changed from having her own goals and career to sort of spending all her time as the resident Kryptohag. Shifting the hacking/researching duties to Nois only move the problem around, rather than solving it, no? Nois has a long way to go to achieve Pulitzer-levels of success. IMO, the last thing she needs is a distraction from that. And how will Clark explain what he's even needing info. for, as his missions are usually related to his powers (or at least they play a part)? Also, I think it's too contrived that Clark is going to the DP for help when he can just go to Isis. It's private, Lex doesn't own it, and it's just blocks away.

I didn't complain, I don't believe, about Peterson's comments. I tried to convince people that he was talking about Chlois and Clark. As for why other people have complained and the subtle jabs at the idea of S8 being "Lois and Clark" ? Those jabs were done with the idea it would be ED and TW and those jabs were people's way of saying Nois sucks and they don't want any more of her.

Chloe and Clark look bad apart. All their interactions with Jimmy and Lana made them weak and stupid and pathetic. Their emotional talks were omitted and it cut the heart out of the show. Clark talking to Kara about stuff just wasn't enough to replace Chlark's normal heart to hearts. Chloe basically had no one to confide in all season long and most of Chlark's interactions focused on people they know (Lana/Kara) rather than strangers as it had in seasons past. When they would work on helping random people who entered their lives, it made them look heroic. The IGN reviewer made a lot of sense to me that they should bring back more FOTW episodes in S8 so Chlark can get back to helping people, not because they know them, but because they can.

Season 7 started off on a weird, awkward vibe. People commented on how Chlark were not communicating with each other and how it cut us off from them emotionally and then in February they gave some insight into Clark's psyche that seemed like it was going somewhere and then they dropped it when wrapping up the season. But, they never did find a way to give insight into what was going on emotionally with Chloe the whole season (minus Cure.) They need to give that back to them in S8.

I wonder how they will resolve the proposal. Will Chloe accept? Will she think it over? I would HATE for her accept it. I am hoping in the premiere, either Clark or Jimmy tell Chloe what is going on and that Jimmy made a deal with Lex, so Chloe realizes that she and Jimmy don't work on their problems together and that she should hesitate to accept his proposal because they have unresolved problems. I think an outright rejection is too much to hope for, but I would like to see Chloe grow up and stop living in denial because it is convenient. Since Chimmy=Clana, it would somewhat mirror how Clana lingered on while acknowledging their problems. I could deal with that because Chloe not wanting to give up easily on something is fine, it's her willful blindness to the problem that pisses me off. In their efforts to make Chimmy=Clana, they have made Chloe look dumb when she never was before.

The jail issue is harder to figure out. One would guess Tess will be the one confronting Chloe in the premiere and taking over Lex's place. But, it is kinda boring to have Chloe in jail. Premieres usually have big FX and I'm failing to see where they will be brought in. What is the threat? Doomtender? What is he going to do"?

If something big happens, then Chloe might be broken out of jail. A rescue scene would add some action to the episode. Clark broke Chloe out of the hospital when they tried to send her to Belle Reve so I could see him breaking her out of jail, but then she'd be a fugitive. The problem is no matter what they do, Chloe being arrested should logically take a long time to wrap up, but I don't think Chloe will be in jail at the end of the premiere. So, what can they do within one or maximum two episodes to close up the storyline? I'm thinking something like what happened with Lana faking her death where Lex took care of everything. But for Chloe, Ollie will be called upon as a deux ex machina. He'll get rid of the evidence against Chloe and get his team of lawyers make all the charges go away. I did have an amusing thought that Jimmy might confess to the feds that he is guilty to try to get Chloe out of the jam. It would be a nice way to redeem Jimmy a bit for being so Lana like. So, Chloe's problems could be resolved through a group effort of Jimmy, Ollie and Clark. I could see that happening even though realistically, problems with the feds shouldn't be taken care of so easily.

I don't think that was the main complaint. I think the problem is that the direction of S8 as described by PS3 (or just 'P') is of a show that is decidely NOT Smallville. It's hamfisted and random to start talking about Clois' sudden connection now when Clark's still technically with Lana (he was when those comments came out) and while Chloe was still on the canvas acting in the sidekick role. The Chlark dynamic has been a staple of the show for years, and personally, PS3 comments made it seem as if that will no longer be so in S8--not because the writers want to change Clark's direction and have him do more solo work, but because Clark and Nois are 4eva and because this is likely the last season coming up, they'd better start forcing that relationship on us. And quite frankly, the writers are absolute shit at subtlety and they just LOVE to lightswitch, so I think it's a reasonable concern that S8 was/is looking to suffer from their creative shortcomings. And yes, I am one who believe that Nois sucks and is written horrendously. I have no reason to believe that this will change, as if anything, she's MORE intolerable now than ever. YMMV.

Because they've been building that story for 7 years?

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree because I think the show has been with starts and stops mostly due to Lana, building towards superhero!Clark. And I think there's been plenty of Chlark interaction. I would love to see all the characters working towards their own goals, with the main focus on helping Clark to reach his, both as Clark Kent and as Superman.

Then IMO, every time Chloe has helped Clark out over the last few seasons, Chloe has been OOC. I don't necessarily agree with that but I think that Chloe helping Clark takes time away from her pursuing her dreams. Now IMHO, if Chloe found that feeding the Justice League information and helping Clark out can help save lives, which has been the case, then I don't agree that it's OOC for Chloe to give up on her dreams as far as the DP is concerned. I think that TPTB have proven that as long as Chloe is wrapped up in helping Clark, she just won't have that same focus on journalism which was the case earlier in the series. YMMV.

When it comes to Chloe, I think that she doesn't have to be just with Clark to let the viewers in on what's going on with Chloe. Through season 7, Chloe broke up and rekindled with Jimmy, been in somekind of a love triangle involving Kara, and shared her secret with Jimmy. Also she's been dealing with Lois working on the DP and being put down by her boss who happens to be a Luthor clone. Worse, Lex became her boss, then fired her.

There's been a lot going on with Chloe and there was opportunities to give her a strong arc and interact with other people. the problem wasn't that she wasn't talking with Clark, IMO. It was her passiveness and lack of reaction to what's going on in her own life. A life that doesn't only involves Clark and being his sidekick.

Now, I would like to have Chloe interacting with Tess. Since Tess is supposed to take Lex's place and that, IMO, Chloe should keep an eye on her. and vice-versa. If she remembers what Lex did to her mother that is...

Ah, Chlex-by-proxy. I'm down if they cast someone awesome for Tess. I'm strangely not worried about that. This show goes wrong with the writing; the main casting is all pretty great, IMO.

As if someone can ever replace MR...

I think season 8 should tie the loose ends over what's been investigating for the past 7 years. Also, Lex said he wanted to keep an eye on her since he discovered she was a meteor freak. At least that Tess person can follow through.

Back on topic:
I think that probably we will have the time jump with Chloe still in jail she should be worried sick that Clark had been missing for three months so she could ask Ollie to get him. I mean she doesn't have anyone else to go to and probably Jimmy already told her that he mentioned the artic to him. Probably Ollie talking to Chloe on the phone on jail will be something we see.
I wouldn't like Tess finding Clark on the artic since it will kill most of the tension between them. I think even if AM appears in every episode that doesn't mean that she is going to be released of jail anytime soon maybe some trials and visits to jail are due part and I think that experience could help Chloe to get her life back on track I mean Lana is safe, Braniac was destroyed and Lex is MIA thus she could use the time to think about her life and what is she doing with it. Probably focus it again on reporting also the fact that she is guilty doesnt help matters she might need a new name or identity or she might strike a deal with the governement and work for them.

I think that might be a good idea, having Chloe make a deal with the government to work with them occasionally. I've really wanted the last season to focus on Clark becoming a stickler for justice, and pro the legal system. Smallville keeps the justice system out of the decision making process too much. I realize that most of the villians are either meteor infected or alien, and so it'd be hard to involve the legal system, but one of Clark's best traits (in my opinion) is that he works with the justice system and not without it.

I'd love it if they brought in a new (or former) sheriff and perhaps a DA that Clark or Chloe could know, and thus help out (even if it is behind the scene). I really don't like Chloe's (and others) suggestion that Clark may have to play God. I don't like him making the absolute decisions on consequences for characters. Especially Smallville's Clark, who has a long way to go to become wise.

Chloe is going to be in 22 episodes. I don't think there is any evidence she won't play a significant part in Season 8. Everyone won't agree on if it's the best part for her, but it will be significant. I'm a huge EDLois fan, and I'm actually glad she will only be in 12-13 episodes. I don't think season 8 should be about moving Lois and Clark together and making plots for the two of them. Smallville's not about that relationship. As long as we see them becoming a bit closer before the end, than that's plenty. I want to see Lois's storyline be all about journalism, a bit about her friendship with her cousin, and a bit about Clark. I'd like to see Clark's storyline moving him into superman mode all the time, getting him to realize on his own that working at the DP would be beneficial, and see him training in some way (he's got a lot to learn: language, culture, etc.). I'd like to see Chloe's arc move her towards either defining her role as a journalist, or show her moving toward becoming either a superhero in her own right or a JL member (watchtower).

Clark's best friend is Chloe, and (for better or for worse) has been the most instrumental person the last few seasons in Clark's life and moving him forward. Season 8 needs to show what the future will be for their relationship. I want to know if they will remain friends, if their feelings for each other are platonic or romantic in the future, and how their relationship will play out once he becomes superman.

Maybe Jor-El gets him to safety (and pops Lex into the PZ or another dimension?)

I wouldn't mind Lex being in the PZ. It would let us know why he's not around, and be a place he can't escape from right away.

Not to mention he could keep Kara company.

I don't want a trial myself. That's so soap-opery. I realize this really doesn't make a lick of sense, but I'm still thinking that Chloe gets snagged to the arctic again and escapes the DDS. Maybe she uses her power to help Clark then cannot to help Lex. Who knows? But there's a certain symmetry I like about this idea, Chloe's there when the FoS rises and falls.

That, or as PolarB thinks, a three months later set up for S8 episode 1.

I just don't want a frickin' trial! I also think in E1, the Chimmy proposal will come to light. I hope to God Chloe is told she can do better. (I'm looking at you Clark.)

I honestly doubt they'll do an entire trial thing. Not because it's soap operay or not but because it's not how this show works. I don't think they'd do any research on how a trial operates and I think they'd think it would be too boring for them to do. After all, what tween girl wants to see an icky trial? It would also require actual adult writing which I don't think the crew is up for. I'm sure however she gets out of her jam will be as simplistic and unrealistic as anything we've ever seen on the show.

IA. That relationship just needs to DIE.



I'm sure it will be. But realistic and this show parted ways a long time ago. I'm just glad she's back.

I think a deal with DDS (the department of dental services?) is the most likely, since it can keep her involved in an A-plot arc. DDS presumably has some level of knowledge of the alien presence on Earth, given their interactions with Luthorcorp, and might broker a deal with Chloe to investigate things they've discovered. Chloe can then feed some of this info back to Clark, but be stuck in the drama-invoking tough spot of cooperating enough with the DDS to not get rearrested but still not reveal Clark's secret. Presumably this would keep her either at Isis or at some newly-designed DDS set, though a stretch could be made to put her back in the DP. An interesting corollary to this idea would be the DDS figuring out enough about Krypton and Kal-El that Chloe and Clark decide to partner up to create a fake identity for this Kal-El who isn't Clark Kent, say, a blue-tights-wearing identity.

Another intriguing alternative would be for Chloe to escape early on, and have to establish a secret identity of her own, dyeing her hair brown and adopting the squee-inducing name of, you guessed it, Lori Lemaris.

There is a way out of jail, well two. DDS has Lex's research/ information/ records of 33.1 so maybe Chloe is in that file and perhaps if someone hacks the system while/after Chloe's taken away they'lL deduce that it wasn't Chloe but a meteor freak who can morph into looking like someone else, like Tina Grier. Thus letting Chloe go because they won't be sure if it was really her and not just some...freak.

Although I speculated that the season starts with Tess and her team finding a powerless Clark and the fortress crystal in the Arctic, I'm not sure how the rest of the premier could go.

In a sense they've wiped the slate clean. No Lex, no Brainiac, no villian at all that Clark has to immediately deal with. I'm thinking the premier is more along the lines of the premiers for season 2, 3, and 4. Clark against himself, battling a conflict within. In this case, I think the episode will revolve around how he gets his powers back.

Let me expand on why I think he'll be powerless. Its not just a plot contrivance to get him on Tess' radar. I think the original plan for the premier was for Lex to walk around holding that crystal ball literally controlling an enslaved Clark. Giving him orders to do all sorts of evil around the world. Clark being a Darth Vader type, and Lex being similiar to Darth Sideous. His friends would try to talk sense into him but Clark would attack them. And it ends with either MM, Kara, or some members of the Justice League somehow getting to Lex and breaking that crystal so that Clark could freed from its spell.

At least thats what I took from the "controlling the traveler" storyline.

But when MR didn't resign it through all that out the window. Now I think the writers will spin it so that destroying the FOS and somehow stripping Clark of his powers is what was meant by controlling the Traveler.

And I think that by the end of the episode Clark will somehow get his powers back.. and fly.

I think that Clark's arc this season will be about him finding himself. Being a loner, trying out different techniques and disguises that he could use to help people in the world. I think he'll go through all kinds of ideas before he finds out that sticks (glasses and a normal hairstyle around people in general. Slick hairstyle with a spit curl complete with tights and cape when he's in superhero mode). I also expect him to try out different ways of getting into disguises until he finally settles on a phone booth.

Without Jor-El, Martha, Bo, and Kara- without any family, I think they will show a determinded Clark maturing before our eyes. Trying to be all he can and not depending on others so much, not needing all the lame peptalks. I hope they have him determinded to find a way to get the FOS, determined to finally go train, no longer wanting to be normal, secure in himself, wanting to be a super man.

About the FOS. I think he'll make some improvements in it, maybe adding some more security. And as I already mentioned I think he will add some holograms of his parents. Maybe even build a statue of them in it like in the comics. Location is something else I expect to be noted. Lex, wherever he is, knows that the FOS was in Canada. Thats something that absolutely has to be dealt with. Clark needs to know that the FOS is a safe place that no one knows about. I expect Clark to rebuild the Fortress in the North or South Pole. I'm thinking Anactica will be the new location for it.

I doubt that since it doesn't really match up with what we've seen from Lex before, IMO. And they would have need to have thought about the future and the hundreds of people seeing Clark causing senseless destruction. And we've already seen a premiere with evil Clark with people trying to talk sense into them. Sure it's not beyond them to repeat plots over and over again but I doubt they'd go that route again.

I also disagree with this. He's pretty much been a loner, or at least isolated from most people except when needed. I don't see him jumping so readily into "I have to try some disguises so I can help people," especially if left to his own devices. Maybe he'll have an awakening in wherever he is, but it's too early to tell. And isn't TW firmly against tights?

The FOS isn't in Canada, the church was in Canada, the FOS is at the North Pole which is why the finale was called Arctic.

Right now I'm expecting Clark to be floating in space as Jor-El keeps telling him to try to clear his mind but he can't. Then he lands on top of whatever monster is terrorizing Earth like in The Tick.

Before is the key word though. Things are different between them now, since Lionel's death. I think Lex wouldn't hesistate to have Clark on a leech. And I think he would have been eager to see exactly what powers Clark had. When he saw Clark in the FOS he asked him if he ever thought about what they could have accomplished together. Thats a selfish thought IMO, he would use Clark for something selfish and evil. I wish MR would have resigned because I would have liked to see what he would do with the power to control Clark.



By being more of a loner I meant doing things on his own, not risking the lives of others. Going to others for help only when its absolutely neccessary. Thinking for himself, etc.

Al/Miles mentioned in an interview a long time ago about Clark trying out some different disguises next season. With them leaving the show I don't know if that plan is still there, but I think its a logical next step for Clark. He knows he can't save people in the the general population as his normal self. Everyone would know who he is, and it would put everyone he loves in danger. Plus he'd have no personal life anymore. Disguises is something he'll have to try. I expect different masks, different outfits, in different locations until he finally settles on the spit curl, tights and cape in the season Finale. They don't have to show him with it on, just show that thats what he has chosen from that point on. And also the glasses and normal hairstyle for when he's not in hero mode.



I thought the orb showed a hologram of North Canada but I just saw the clip on youtube and it was indeed the North Pole. Nevertheless, Lex knows where it is and can get to it at any point. Thats not good for Clark, it removes the meaning of "solitude" if humans know where its at. I think the FOS will still be moved to the South Pole, and on Anartica.

I disagree with this completely. There's nothing stopping her from keeping Clark prisoner until he tells her what she wants to know if she finds him powerless. They seem to be playing the card that Tess is supposed to be more visibly ruthless than Lex, so I'd expect her to happily break a few fingers, keep him under lock and key if she finds him like that. I actually think much of the premier will be Tess establishing herself in Lex's shoes in Smallville and Metropolis, a play on how Lex arrived and met Clark all those years ago.



To fly and to go and save Chloe would be perfect, IMO, but I hardly think they're going to play their one, slightly worn trump card left for Clark in the premier. Not with their rather sad lesson that Kara tried to give anyway.



I think if anything with Lana leaving, Martha gone and Nois' comments ringing in his ears about being unable to be second, Clark is going to waver even more about making that choice about being a hero, until Lana is out of the picture anyway. I think if anything, he's going to need Chloe around more than ever, and I'm hoping for MM to make that final step. He's already got his disguise from Apocalypse, I don't think he's going to stress too much about that. *sighs* I hope they don't do the phone booth thing anymore. I mean, do you really find them around that often anymore? With cell-phones, half-phone booths etc. I wish they'd get rid of that - I mean, if we see him actually put on the suit - it's rather lame. But, I suppose if they have to do it, the one way to save it might be that he finds he can use it accidentally, in some situation. I don't see him being in a suit, however or trying anything of this out on purpose. It would probably just be an accidental happening on his part, and it will sink in and we'll have to be secure in the anvil that he'll use it next time.



I think that's a description of an anti-Clark. I don't want to see him *not* needing the relationships and close friendships that have defined and shaped his character as he's shaped those around him, especially if he's making such a big decision.



That would be extremely out of character for this Clark to do consdering what he knows of his father, at least. A statue reminding him of the man who wrought such pain in his life? That would be a pretty painful and awful reminder.

My Canadian patriotism and my inherent pedantry force me to point out that officially, Canada claims everything between 60 degrees and 141 degrees longitude, all the way up to the pole. The Fortress may be both at (or near) the North Pole and in Canada simultaneously.

I think a fooseball table would be a nice addition.


And Jimmy!

Fallen One, you are absolutely right. Season 8 should be about redecorating and makeovers. This should appeal to the CW target demographic nicely.

So you expect Contessa to show her true colors to Clark right at the start? I was thinking that she'd resist being that way with Clark at the begginning. That she'd be ruthless to everyone else, but that Clark would bring out a more tender side to her that she can't explain (and won't like). That it'll be her suspicion about him that would drive her to trying to get closer to him. That she'd try multiple times to use her powers of persuation on him but that they won't work and she'll want to know why he's so different from other men. Something like what Desiree tried on Clark in Heat.

I think she'll be the head bitch, but that Doomsday will ultimately be the villian of the season. But I think they will do his buildup more slower than hers. She'll be a villian from the start.



I agree that phone booths are becoming a thing of the past. I see plenty pay phones, but hardly any phone booths. But yeah, the phonebooth is iconic. They have to show him coming to grips with it. They can use a lot of what Clark tries out for comic relief in some episodes. Have him run into a janitor's closet, speed!change into a black mask with an all black outfit, then rescue someone only for them to mistake him for a criminal and run away. Then he can change his mind and try something else, etc... until he settles on tights and changing in a phone booth. Its something that he can perfect throughout the season if they wanted to do it that way.

Why does picturing Clark doing scenes from The Tick never get old?


The only improvment I can think of is to make it Jor-AI free.


I think air hockey table, without the air, would match the decor better.


Antarctica sounds good. It is one of the comic locations for it.

Oh I like. How about surround sound for Jor-El's voice? A Polar Bear skinned rug? Maybe a stripper pole for Kara. Err, maybe thats just me. Poor Clark would cover his eyes and scream, or call Chloe up to the fortress to tell her he's commiting suicide again..

No, no, I think a stripper pole would go nicely with the ice dildo collection. Plus stripper poles are quite symbolic this year, I saw it on the House finale.

We will have robot butlers too, and forbidden rooms?

How about adding some statues of his former flames? (Superman on the comics had statues of all his exgirlfriends, I'm scared to think what he was doing with them) so he could have Kyla, Alicia, Lana and or course Lex :p

Of course!
And whenever he enters one of the forbidden rooms, robot!Lana will start accusing him of "Thecrets and Lieths," just to make him feel at home.

Seriously, I would love to see Kelex. I don't think they have the budget to create something like that, but I love Kelex, and it would give Clark someone to talk to at the Fortress besides the AI.

I'm afraid I find that a bit of an over-played cliche, and they don't really have the time to set up a way to evove the relationship from there that they did with Lex - besides, which, he needs a villian asap, imo, otherwise we're reduced to FOTW eps again.

To me, it doesn't make sense for someone, who Lex trusts enough to take care of his entire operation, to not suspect Clark is up to something from the get-go. This is someone who has spent years with Lex from all accounts, I don't think the farm-boy awakening feelings she never knew she had will come to pass. If there is an attraction, it's not going to be based on any feeling that Clark's love can change her from her evil ways of following Lex's instructions, or doing his bidding.

I suppose Clark could try to help her find out something about her background (which I remember reading somewhere) and then she could find she wants to be "good" to get into the farm-boy's pants, but I would hope Clark would think twice about trusting anyone Lex trusts. *shrugs* Hopefully, she will still prove to be a villian away from him.

Honestly, I just find it entirely tiresome and a waste of time to play her as if she's trying to be good. If she's going to be a female Lex, she should just essentially be at the point we saw Lex at - no love for Smallville or the farm-boy, there to find her boss and to hell with anyone who stands in her way. They don't have time to waste on attraction, not with Lana already eating up like 5 episodes. It would a small mercy if they would go into this season thinking about the big picture, and continuing the story where they left off instead of regressing Clark to dealing with another Lex, and trying to "change" her. Hasn't there been enough of that?



I think they will be trying to get MR back as much as possible and that she will be the villain of the season, a Lex-proxy if you will, even if we all we see in the beginning is her pulling strings in the background. Doomwimp will be a flash in the pan, I think. I mean what else does he do but kill Superman? They might be saving that for sweeps/finale in case they can't get MR back, but I other than that and being Nois' LI I don't really expect much more from him.

How Clark gets out of the Arctic -- shiny new plot device never hinted at before. Perhaps Chloe is involved. If she escapes the feds she would use the key to go up to the former location of the fortress.

But I don't think Chloe will be involved in freeing Clark. He'll have to do that on his own. I think we'll see something mirroring Apocalypse where Lois was a stand in for Chloe in the AU (similar to how Lois seemed to be a stand in for Kara in Noir). Clark will get back from the arctic and have some sort of altercation with Jimmy trying to figure out where Chloe is. Once he has what he needs he'll rush off to free Chloe. Meanwhile Jimmy (at this point pissed off at Clark) tries to get in touch with Lex and ends up speaking with Tess. He's willing to keep spying on Lois if that will keep Chloe out of jail. Tess changes the deal. She wants Jimmy to spy on Clark. Jimmy agrees and the charges are dropped meaning Chloe doesn't have to live in hiding. Jimmy then reluctantly withdraws his proposal to insulate Chloe from his secret treachery.

Something about Doomtender and Tess bugs me - they're both exhibiting SV's favorite tropes of amnesia in a way. He doesn't know what he gets up to that he's got blood over his hands, and she's trying to figure out stuff about her background.

Lame, lame, LAME rehashing of Kara's amnesia because that worked so well. It's flat out lazy.



Let's be sure to hold Nois to the same standards as Chloe then. If one would be holding him back if she helped him, then so it the other.

Question: Taking MR at his word that he's not going to be back, do you consider Lex defeated at the hands of Superman (or as close to it)?

I think overall it's weak storytelling and makes for weak characters. There's something pathetic about characters not knowing their background.

If I thought the show would turn the plotline into some sort of actual philosophic "who am I as a person and where do I fit into the world?" type thing, I wouldn't mind. But we've had amnesia so many friggin times before and I don't believe that they'd do anything deep or complex with it. "I blacked out and I'm ascared of who I am!" doesn't count.

Lex made the choice to do what he did with the Gay Disco Ball and opted to stay by Clark as the world collapsed around them. He didn't say "uh-oh" or "what'd I do?" or try to escape. He seemed to know what would happen and accepted it. I wouldn't say anybody really defeated anybody at the end of Arctic but Superman definitely didn't defeat Lex Luthor.

I also turned the FOS Renovation idea into a thread in Whimsy.

Was Lois really that much help to Clark in the Apocalypse AU?

Agreed, I suspect she'll be suspicious of him from the very first time she lays eye on him, whether its in the Artic, the DP, or the farm.



I don't think this either. I don't see Clark changing her in any way, I only think that his heroic deeds and tiresome foiling of her plans will irk her to the point where she takes a personal interest in him, fueled by suspicion that he's not a simple farmboy. I don't think she'll know Clark is Kryptonian (but it'll be a nice twist if she knew from the start), and while I think a part of her may genuinelly become attracted to Clark and may even wish she could change, her commitment to Lex will always rule her. This is why I suspect Clark will not trust her enough to get involved with her in any romantic sense (if they take the mutual attraction that far). Ultimately he'll know that she's after his secret for her own purposes. She's the villian, and I think it'll be made perfectly clear to Clark that its a dangerous game to get involved with her. Besides, I think the things she'll try to do to Lois, Jimmy, and maybe Chloe will be the deciding factor in him realizing that she is exactly like Lex- and if he can't save Lex, he can't save her.



If you can post what you found about Clark helping her find her background that'd be much appreciated. I haven't read that yet and now I'm going to go around searching everywhere to see if I missed something. Agreed on everything else you said.

Has Clark ever went for the bad girl? I don't think so. The ones that turned out to be bad completely caught him off guard and it turned him off to them. It would be.. interesting if they had him go after Contessa knowing what type of person she is from the start. I don't think Clark is that type. He could stomach a lot of from women but Contessa seems too much to handle. And it'd drive his friends up the wall I'm sure.

Chloe: Are you massively insane? She's a pyscho Clark-
Clark: Chloe, there's good in her.. I know it..
Lois: Pfft, tomaytoe, tomahtoe.
Jimmy: Maybe the good in her came from Egyptians?



Right. Lois told Clark she had evidence that Lex was trying up to no good, but it was the video that Clark watched that put the pieces together. And it was Clark who talked it out loud and came to a conclusion on what to do to stop Lex. Lois gave him the suit to blend in, but their convo was a back and forth. Both displaying wits, giving suggestions, using their smarts. It was give and take, not like the usual "Chloe give-Clark takes-the end" type of scoobying I'm so tired of. Lois assisted him, Chloe directs him. There's the difference. Clark was in command in one instance, and the other he's like a dog waiting for orders to get the newspaper. He's suppose to be the captain, not the muscle. He has to take the lead more.

Can we get more of the decisive, in-control Clark next season, please? Its time.

Depends on who you talk to. My point was that generally speaking, if Chloe helping Clark is holding him back, then Nois helping Clark as a Chloe-stand-in holds him back as well.



I don't think she needs to take a personal interest in him. I think she's already got it from Lex. In fact, she's beginning to sound like Gina, with an official name. This is from her character description:

That's Gina. Pity, they can't even think of something more than a bit character they killed off last season. Jeez.

As for your view on Apocalypse and the interaction, obviously, YMMV, but I see as much in the Chlark relationship. Nor do I see Clark being treated as anything more than someone who compliments what Chloe can bring to their relationship. They've always been about give-and-take.

The version of Nois in Apocalypse was also an AU version, and only appeared in a world where Clark never existed. She's not SV's Nois who belittles Clark, and treats him badly. She has her moments of friendship towards him, but ultimately, for someone who helped her so much, her abrasive attitude towards him is unwarranted (though interestingly enough, she's beginning to exhbit the same abrasive attitude to her cousin).

This is Tess's description from KSite:

See bolded bits.

ETA: I take it back, Doomsday and Gina version 2.0 are really both suffering from different kinds of amnesia. I suppose one could convcievably be a clone, but then he can give them complete memories. Wow. Already, they're really not trying at all with these two.

From Kryptonsite--- Tess: She is introduced as the person who is in charge of Lex Luthor's estate "in his absence."

http://www.kryptonsite.com/season8characters2.htm



Season Eight is looking better already! :~) Lana Lang is her mother. Lex Luthor is her father. MB Lionel Luthor was her grandfather. Lillian Luthor was her psycho grandmother. Clark Kent wouldn't stand a chance against Lollipop Luthor/Tess!

I would love for Clark to bust in on Tess at the mansion, and catch her sitting at Lex's desk, surrounded by his comic book collection, and playing with Lex's Warrior Angel dolls (excuse me; action figures!).

If they do connect Tess with the fake pregnancy plot, I must admit I'd give kudos to PS3

It could explain why Lana returns to smallville. We don't know when KK is supposed to fulfill her episodes, in the begining, then middle or what, but I bet they may connect Tess with Lana, for that pregnancy is the only thing that's somewhat left in Lana's arc.

I really wonder if they'd make season 8, sort of like the official second half of season 6, I mean season 6 set up a very Phantom/Zoner heavy arc not to mention Lex's army. I wonder if they'd tie that all up for S8.

S8 can be the best season, or it could be the worst. Based on money troubles, I wonder, will they get the same amount like S6 or way before?

Anywho, I wouldn't be surprised with the mention of the phantom zone, they'd meant to remind us of the phantom. Didn't Combat established that there may be more phantoms then lights? Or maybe phantoms escaped when Raya's crystal was destroyed in Phantom. But I sense there is 1 phantom Clark failed to get, or did get but re-escaped and entered one of the clones Lex made, thus forming him into doomsday. I bet Davis is one of those experiments of 33.1...

As for Tess, again I believe if they make her the child of Lex and Lana I'll be very surprised and somewhat happy.

I will be happy too. It will make sense of most of the crap we had endured like that Lex dream about the baby being evil that makes no sense if there were no baby.

I will also be happy if Doomtender is the son of Lana and Lex or maybe they are brother and sister. That will be soap operish but it has the potential of being all kinds of fun.

No I'm sorry, Doomtender will be revealed to be Senior Senior Junior

The only good amnesia story in Smallville, that I can recall anyway, was the one where Clark got it and Chloe had to make sure he didn't reveal his powers to anyone else. Although even that was kind of hurt by the Lana love thing

But he said he hated Nois, so a bit of a toss up.

*Thanking God for the fact I wasn't drinking*

I agree. Blank was a great episode except for the Clana revival. I mean was it really necessary for Clana to be brought back then? Oh who am I kidding.

Well we needed set up so Dean Winchesters character could get some character assassination later, turned evil, and such

So as to make when Lana goes to the prom she had no interest in 5 seconds before, and dances with Clark, despite still going out with Dean, seem "okay" to the pink power posse.

And Lana was a WITCH! God season 4 was crappy. I still think worse than any other. What is it with Season 4s? Smallville season 4 was awful. Buffy Season 4 was probably the biggest offender in this phenomenon. Hell good thing Deadwood didnt go for 4 seasons I guess.

As for Tessicles amnesia and all that seems lame. But I do think it is nice that someone, at least, remembers Lex doing something good for them.

Lana needs a very good reason for returning to SMALLVILLE other than Clark, and I would totally believe that she would return if she discovered that she and Lex did indeed have a child together. Lex thought that Lana wanted him imprisoned before, wait until she finds out that he or Lionel stole her baby!

Or suppose Lana really did have a miscarriage (too much herbal tea). If Lex could clone Grulian with frozen embryonic cord blood, he could do the same with Lollipop. Maybe even shake in a little of Clark's bloodsample for a Clex baby?

Tess Clex Lolly Luthor has such potential!!!

Exactly. It would tie up a lot of loose ends left from Season 6. They could explain why there was a Lana Clone. Why did he clone Lana? to kill the real one off? To practice accelerating aging?

Davis... i dunno. It sounds like a phantom to me. Remember in Phantom, the blood from the phantom possessed-boy going to something? What if it Davis is one of those super soldier?

If Lana did have a miscarriage, he totally could have used the embryo to create a clone. His SCIENCE! would allow that.

This whole Tess=fake!baby actually works really well. Lex making Lana miscarry and then cloning and accelerating the baby's age fit with both his fear of being a father and his fear of Lana dying in childbirth. It fits with his terror of the baby being a monster. Having her be an assistant-y type fits with what he did with Grulian. And considering that MR played the fake!baby confrontation like he didn't know WTH Lana was talking about, it totally works with that too.

If Tess isn't Lexana's baby, I will be sad. It's soap opera-y but it fits so well. So well.