She has the same YELLOW shirt under the coat she hasn't change at all she only PUT a coat ON

I dont think Lois changed clothes. She just has a jacket on because you can still see a little of the gold shirt she has on in the scene with Lex.

I can safely say I don't know. Since it's a holiday episode, I suspect Heat Miser though... Not to be confused with Heatmiser. I would think they'd be Clex fans. Then again they could have motive too...

I'm not sure what it is, but I don't think it's Star Wars, myself.



It's well-made, but the giveaways to me that it was fanmade was the bug in the lower left-hand corner of the screen and the fact that the total running time was 1:04. TV spots don't generally run that long. Networks usually use :04, :10, :15, or :30 spots. The only one minute long trailers Smallville usually has are the ones that encompass multiple episodes like this one.

I moved the discussion of the fan trailer to the fan art and vids thread.

atem, I noticed you edited the link out of your original post. Can you post again in that thread and put the link to the trailer? If it was apparently so well-done, I'm sure others would like to see it. Thanks!

"Persona" promo images at KryptonSite - with two spoilery guests!

Double posted - sorry!

S7E9 Gemini.
OK, my speculation is that Bizarro escaped from Proxima Centauri when a solar wind passed over the star, and he was able to ride the wave back in to Earth.
Martian Manhunter hasn't noticed Bizarro's absense because MM has been hard at work clearing out the time portal shortcut from Krypton to Earth. It's clogged with floating bits of Kryptonite which is why MM is gathering it all up, so someday Clark and Kara can use the time portal as a shortcut to other galaxies (future show spin-off, y'all).

Speaking of future shows and spinoffs---
why not have the Green Hornet come to SMALLVILLE? He's probably an old friend of Lex Luthor or Oliver Queen.
So the trend is for humans to have Superpowers; why not let the SMALLVILLE Meteor Freaks have their own show? FREAKVILLE yeah.

PS The Green Hornet is Britt Reid, a newspaper publisher, and now he could work for Lex at the Daily Planet, or be Lex's rival.

Chlarkolate are you part genius?



I so wish we get a conversation like this in the SV canon! Personally, I think that the best way to do it is to do it in some sort of AU where Chloe is the 'super' and Clark is normal. If Clark were to take a trip inside Chloe's head, I think he would find he does not have super powers because Chloe does not view him as being a nonhuman. And if Chloe were to take a walk through Clark's head, she would be have all his abilities, because Clark see Chloe like himself.

A bit corny, but could work if well written and be very entertaining.

There has been heavy speculation about mind-wiping everybody on the show.

I figure that if Clark or the AI has THAT much power to do that, then I really wish they'd use some power to cure the people in Belle Reve or wherever they happen to be. All that power to save his own ass while not doing anything to help victims (including Chloe & her mom & Alicia) is not Super.

Agreed. If he goes back in time and prevents the tragedy of the meteor shower it just might be justifiable. Still that leaves us with the question why did we bother with this timeline? Otherwise, a bad guy should do it. Anyhow, I think a large part of my interest in the ending will be to see which plot points TPTB believe need to be lined up, and which are less important.

I'm not even sure it's speculation, really, so much as someone just tossing out an idea. I certainly don't think the show is going to go there, and there haven't been any hints so far within the series that this is their intention. Sure, mind-wipes are used in oneoff episodes and there is canoncially the technology outside of Clark/the AI to mainpulate someone's memories (Summerholt), but I don't think AlMiles are going to completely wipe the slate clean and in effect invalidate everything that's happened in a show they're very obviously heavily invested in.

Beyond that, yeah, Clark deciding to remove the memories certain people have of him and his abilities doesn't go along with his character, or how canon itself has already presented his views on that specific subject just recently.

I have seen the mindwipe in other stories like Men in Black. It's less problematic if you wipe out a few minutes or an hour out of a stranger to hide one incident. It's still pretty sketchy though and it's a tactic that belongs firmly in the arsenal of a very grey type government agency. It also helped that MiB was very much a comedy so it was played for laughs and took a lot of the creepiness out of it. In SV, it wouldn't be. He would be taking HUGE chunks of people's minds on an involuntary basis. It would be serious and then you ask have to ask yourselves, is it OK to sacrifice people in order to keep Superman? How much of a person? How does this make Clark ANY better than Mr. Bennet of Heroes?

Also I figure if it really was that simple, why the hell not mindwipe Lex to the age of 9? God knows, almost everything after that was the suck.

I think I'm just do NOT like the concept of the show pitching the viewers that if Lex or Lionel or Knox messes with people's minds, it's EVOL!EVOL!EVOL! but if Clark does it, it's considered a necessary sacrifice and to pity him for the burden on his guilt-ridden soul.

Neither do I. Luckily, the show hasn't, to date, and I doubt they ever will.

Yep its just my own spec, but I surely don't think they introduced Zor-El's crystal of forgetfulness for nothing. I think it will be used at some point. I also don't think that Clark can go around saving people in blue tights and a red cape when half the people in this town and lots of people in the country know his face and that he has powers. People that could out him for money, power, and any other reason. The only people that know his dual idenity are Lois, Lana, Kara, Martha & Jonathon Kent, Diana (Wonder Woman) and Bruce Wayne (The Batman). The rest of the Justice League know him as Kal-El/Superman and not as the normal Clark Kent. The idea of Lex knowing both idenities is catching on which makes him a possibility to not be affected by it.

But in the end I'm thinking that only Lana and Lex will escape the memory wiping of Clark's powers- and thats all thats wiped. A few seconds of every other day. Everytime they saw Clark use his powers, everytime they talked with him about his powers, etc. Thats all. They will just remember him as the decent good-looking farmboy they grew up with who did brave things occasionally. And they'd remember everything they did with him minus when he showed his powers.

If a certain part of the end of this series is devoted to matching things up as closely as possible with what is written, that crystal is a really good choice. And I think by the end of the series that Chloe (if alive), Pete, Lionel (if alive), and the people of Belle Reeve will be miserable and I think Clark will see what a burden they have on them and he'll do the memory wipe out of mercy so that they can live a normal life and won't have to walk on egg shells regarding his secret.

Knox takes away whole years of memories, every second of everyday. And he does it for financial profit, AND he picks some people and takes out their organs. To compare that with Clark erasing a few seconds out of every 2-3 days to help better someone's life is.. wow. They are nothing alike.

2-3 seconds is SERIOUSLY understating the matter. We're talking long stretches of time when a lot of people suspected, if not straight up knew. You're going to have to wipe out hours and hours of suspicion and you're forgetting that there's the whole "I ran off to Metropolis for an entire summer and didn't tell anybody where the heck I was" escapade.

Also, I think that considering Pete knows in the comics, it would be much more consistent with the whole "SV must be like comics" argument to have him know as well since I hear he also knows (helping Superboy and all) in the comics.

i'm not saying that they can't or won't DO what you're suggesting. But do I think it makes the whole series a joke or a horror story for a lot of people? Yes.

Superman is supposed to be about free will and choice from what people say; however, ripping out people's memories is something that's Luthorian in the extreme. It would be like Superman handing out roofies to get what he wants.

Also Zor-el was NOT considered a good guy. It still stinks of hypocrisy for Clark to go around and buzz people's brains for what feels like an extremely selfish purpose. And I know that people would cry foul if someone with even the BEST intentions decided to make Clark forget quite a few things. Clark knows how vulnerable people can be w/o their memory.

It reminds me of how some variations of the Nietzsche interpretations that Superman is not bound by the rules of society and therefore should do anything he damn well pleases because he is superior. That sounds like the road to a really dark and scary place.

I think keeping Clark from becoming more questionable is a much higher priority than trying to match some source material it has little in common with.

Does anyone remember the ST: TNG episode where they wiped the crews mind for a 24 hour period. I think it was called Clues. In any case, it didn't work the first time because they had some tell tales they could figure out. To wipe out everyone's memory requires not just the main characters but also the police, the newspapers, hospitals, tertiary characters, etc.... Chloe would eventually pick up on it.


Sure, the show is capable of horrible writing. Sure Superman has a history of the mind-wipe (but it was Lois and only in her private times with Superman, no other real witnesses). So, while it's possible for them to go there. It's also possible for them to have Lex suddenly become a Fort Knox robbing criminal (that's the Gene Hackman Lex to me). I don't see either as likely.

In the SV backstory, Clark had a lot more help becoming who he is. If Lois & Jimmy don't find out before he dons the suit, then the pre-wife comics are still okay. Lana knows but that's okay with "canon" to me. Lex knowing is a big deal but my theory is that they'll end the series with this and some stalemate that makes Lex keep the secret. This leaves Chloe. She either dies or moves on but still knows in my "future vision" --- they are changing her existence in the comics to a pre-BFF state so her knowing eventually is not out of the picture.

I think a mind wipe is a big deal, and not in a good way. As mobiusklein mentioned, this is not a few seconds here or there - Clark's Summer of RedK Fun alone would require a massive number of memory alterations. The Belle Reve patients would suddenly have no idea why they were locked up. All of which pales compared to the impact on the regular cast. Chloe's memory of the past three years would turn to swiss cheese. She would have to be turned into a vegetable to remove her pre-Pariah suspicions about Clark, or to stop her from researching what happened to her mind. Lionel and Lex would also needs to have their minds strip-mined to remove what they know and what they suspect. Even Lois would need some substantial memory changes if she was going to think the former high school football star has morphed into a geeky reporter.

On a more Clark-centric note, this would destroy this version of Supes for me. I disliked the end of Superman 2 as a kid, but MKLois had just figured out Clark was Supes. She lost a few days. What Jack Burton has proposed, IMO, is taking things to a whole different level. Clark would be taking away years of memories, and for what? I have not seen anything over the past three years to indicate Chloe would be miserable due to being Clark's secret keeper. Same for Lionel. I do not see how this Clark, the Smallville Clark, would see this as "helping" anyone.

Of course, that could change, but it would be a pretty big lightswitch.This changes depending on the version of the DCU. In the Timmverse, The founders of the JL (Supes, Batman, WW, MM, Flash, GL, Hawkgirl) all know each other's secret identities. In at least one version of the comic books, Supes and Batman did a similar reveal to a different JL team. Clark's secret identity is not as much of a known secret as Batman = Bruce Wayne (which seems to be on the Welcome to Gotham billboards in the comic books), but it is also not limited to a handful of people.

Al and Miles have said they are not going to worry about how Lois, Lex, and 2/3 of the population of Smallville fail to recognize Supes the first time he appears. Maybe they are smarter than I give them credit for.

Zorel's mind wipe thingy, I also think will be brought into play. I'm speculating that if it can take memories, it might also restore them. Isn't it handy that Kara needs to get her memory back? I doubt the general population of Smallville and Metropolis will have to fear mass memory loss.

I think Clark's glasses may come into play with the whether to control the memories of others. I'm not a comic fan, so I looked up Clark Kent on Wiki for some perspective. It was mentioned how Clark's glasses were made of Kryptonian materials and actually help influence would be witnesses to forget what Clark did. Clark himself studies hypnosis. Now, covering for his actions as Clark Kent and zapping 6 years from someone's life are quite different events. There's a problem there. But the right subliminal message could do it... It could be "pretend you don't know" verses, "forget what you saw."

I agree that a wipe-out would be bad news.

If Zorel's tool could give memory back, I sure hope it fixes all the holes these characters have. Lex needs it IMO.

I think that's exactly why the crystal was brought into play. Speaking of the crystal...

I don't think that Clark would be able to use the crystal to mind wipe people like Chloe and Lex, not long term. Both of them are completely tenacious and would go to the ends of the earth trying to figure out where their memories went. And the crystal doesn't wipe memories- it seems to bury them, since Kara's Somerholt-eque treatment let her remember them. Both Chloe and Lex have shown willingness to undergo radical medical treatments if they thought it was for their own greater good (Chloe in "Cure" and Lex in "Memoria"), and I think if such large, random chunks of time were taken from them, they would not give up trying to figure out why- Lex especially (I think him stopping after "Memoria" was mostly due to his father putting Clark in danger). But honestly, to me, if Clark did do some kind of mindwipe, it would make him a lot like the MB of S3- manipulating someone else's brain to save your own skin. I think this show has shown with Lex that the end does not justify the means. If Superman doesn't follow a strict ethical code, then he would be as bad as the alien overlord Lex fears.


I agree because short of a mindwipe, I don't know how they would do it. I would rather no explanation than that (unless it is done against Clark's will in some sort of climactic battle at the Fortress or something, which I would buy- SV has a history of having bad things happen that are actually to Clark's favor). But I've always thought it seemed like a cop out. No explanation at all? I would rather have Lex know and keep the secret despite being Clark's enemy. That, to me, is way less of a stretch.


That would be different, and work much better than a mindwipe. I don't know how they would do it though; it would be kind of a lightswitch unless it's built up to right.

I'd appreciate that, because this is fun and now I want to do one! :D

Back to spec...


What are the odds, you think, that Maybe!Mercy from "Bizarro" and "Gemini" is actually the real Mercy Graves? She's not named in the credits on IMDB at all, not even as "Lex's secretary" or "Lex's minion" or any name, which I find so odd, since she does have a speaking role in two different episodes. So what do you guys think? Although I think it's odd that they wouldn't promote a DC character appearing on the show, it would be kinda neat if it was subtly done.

Okay I've started a thread called Run the Show. Have fun!

So now that Chloe has told Jimmy about her meteor power in Gemini, do you think she will tell Lois and Lana? I don't think there's really any reason not to tell Lois, unless she's worried that Lois might try to write a story about it. If she does tell her it'll probably happen in Offscreenville. But I would really like her to withhold the news from Lana to illustrate that she doesn't entirely trust her.
Actually I just had a thought. What if she does tell Lana and then Lana, in a misguided attempt to help people, does something to betray their trust? Like kidnap Chloe to usurp her power to heal people at the Isis foundation? Very much like Lex does bad things in the name of Earth's security? Thereby proving that she is untrustworthy and warped?


Edited because punctuation counts!

I can't see Chloe telling Lois. Partially because I don't think Chloe would want Lois to worry or feel bad (her stab did get her killed) and partially because Lois is the character the most out of the loop (even worse than Lex).



Me too. I think that Jimmy being told is one thing. She thought they were going to die and she wanted to explain why she hurt him, but otherwise I'd suspect Chloe would keep it on a need to know basis.

If the Daily Planet thing falls through for whatever reason, I could see Chloe taking over the Isis foundation from Lana by the end of the show and running the anti-33.1 research center/school, possibly with Oliver's backing.

Of course, that presumes that they don't forget about it during the hiatus or care enough to follow up on the admittedly minor plotline.

I know may with object because they want Chloe to be the DP star but I really like this idea. I'd also be happy with her staying at the DP but as you've pointed out this is a long-running plothole (or is that Orestes?...I could be confused...sorry).

The problem is that I don't want it to be seen as Chloe's inheriting Lana's castoffs. "Oh, here you go! I am the fairy godprincess granting you a purpose in life."

UGHHHHH! If they're going to go there, I want it to be done because Lana's been doing some horribly wrong crap and Chloe and friends are doing a hostile take-over to make her stop. If not, I don't give a crap.

Which, I guess, would be a matter of perspective.

For me, it wouldn't be accepting Lana's castoffs, but picking up and redeeming something Lana corrupted and ignored because of her obsession.

Also if Lana put all her money into that ISIS thing, I want her to basically lose all that money when Chloe takes over said foundation.

What I'm saying is that I'm just not interested in any retconny blah-blah-blah where Lana is praised for creating it in the first place but it's other people who have to basically raze it to the ground & rebuild it into something less icky. I guess i'm not interested in a re-canonized Lana giving this as a gift but something that Chloe & co. take over because they can do it way better.

They do need something OTHER than Belle Reve so that would be a good thing but do I think TPTB actually give a fig? Not really.

I wonder if part of the closing of the whole MF arc (because I figure they have to at least explain why they cease to be a huge threat like in seasons 1-4 when Clark moves permanently to Metropolis) won't have something to do with ISIS helping/curing MFs, since I guess there is a way to do so, even without Dr. Knox. I still really don't understand the whole "Lana hearts meteor freaks" thing, but that would be something good to do with ISIS. Of course, like Dread said, it would mean Goughlar had to remember that ISIS existed.

I too want to see someone else head up ISIS, because I really want it to be the pink version of 33.1.


Word to this, but I think it would require bringing Lana's leadership of it to a close, possibly forcibly (not like kill Lana, but make her give it up), and I don't know if the show will go there, since I depressingly feel that we're heading toward that re-canonized Lana mobius mentioned.

(But I'm a Chloiser, so I don't want Chloe to leave the DP. Thumbs up if its someone else, though! :D)

Persona Trailer Aired tonight:

http://svfan.com/content/view/607/28/

It is very sad how excited I got when I saw that link. Thanks, JerseyGirl! Now off to the Spoiler Discussion thread!

You're not alone, Eurybia. We're all in the same sad, pathetic little boat ;)

But man, that trailer really came through for us. So awesome!

Now, THAT was a good trailer.

At least we're all partying on the pathetic little boat for now. Coz ITA, that was an awesome trailer. I'm really excited about the episode! :D

Sure, that trailer was good, but this is just another shiny toy being carted out to soothe everyone that isn't a Clana fan - like the apparent Kryptonian mythology storyline with the cringeworthy triangle of the Els. By all accounts, Clark will still be stuck in Lanaville like everyone else by the end of the season thereby giving us a more than half a season where nothing has changed by the end for the main character. And he's going to be blamed for everything Lana did wrong. AFAIC, JM can't save shit like that. This season is pretty much an epic wash.

However, JM makes Torchwood Season 2, ep 1 look freaking brilliant (& hot). Now that I cannot wait to see.

Aw, now I'm moping on the pathetic little boat again. You're completely right, of course, and it's probably mean to get our hopes up with an awesome trailer when, of course, we'll end up with Lana moping because BizClark is better and another neverending barn scene. But hey, at least we know thirty seconds of the episode is awesome! (You know I'm desperate when I'm optimistic)

It's good to stay positive, Eurybia. God knows it's gonna take all the optimism we have to get through this season. I know it seems extremely stupid of us to hope for anything less than a monstrous disaster, but at least we can take the good stuff and be happy about it. We got a good trailer (after how long!), so back to partying! :)

Craig just posted the Persona "poster" ad at K-Site, courtesy of Jana. Thanks you two! :D

I'm glad to see JM on an SV poster again, but... why are they using the "every triangle has three sides" tagline again? What triangle are they referring to? Clark/Bizarro/Brainiac?

That tagline doesn't even make sense in a poster that only features 2 characters. But I always chuckle when they use those promo pics of Tom looking like a sophisticated supermodel. It bears very little resemblence to our primary color wearing Clark Kent.

That's the only thing that makes sense, with Tom and James being the only two people on the poster. Either that or the tagline is an error.


Seriously. It's teasing us with something we'll never have. :)

Why the hell would they use a triangle line in a poster that has zero to do with their fetish for triangles? *confused* What's next? Good sex. Bad Brainiac?

If the triangle in question is Clark/Lex/Brainiac, I will be a happy girl! (But it's probably Clark/Bizarro/Lana.)

You have to love the CW/Smallville Marketing Department. You have the return of Brainiac, one of the few things people have liked over the past few years in spite of the sloppy way it was handled. And how do you announce he's back? With the promise of a triangle. A triangle, the thing which has probably driven away a large, large part of the audience, especially the people to whom a return of Brainiac would excite.

Bravo.

The whole "two guys meeting in a seedy, dark alley" thing... it just conveys something to me. Perhaps the third side of the triangle missing from that poster is Clark's pimp.

I moved the last few posts from the media thread to this one.

Just when I thought The CW's marketing/promotional/advertising department couldn't get any lazier or unprofessional, they surprise me again with the reuse of the "triangle" tagline to come across as even worse.

The triangle campaign made sense in S6, with the Chlarkimmy, Clexana, and Chlollie (to an extent, even though there really wasn't much of one with them), but now?
That campaign ended when S6 ended. Be creative and get a new tagline. Unbelievable.



It's kind of ridiculous, isn't it?
Triangle = 3. Triangle talk on a poster with only 2 people = Moronic.
Seems like they may need to re-watch this because knowledge is power.



Honestly? How hard is it?

"Brainiac is Back!"
"Brainiac Returns!"
"An old foe comes back to visit."

As bad and cheesy as those are, I'd rather have something like that than a recycling of an old campaign from LAST SEASON.

It supports my theory that season seven is so toxic that it is making great things from previous seasons suck. Yes, season seven is so bad, that it's badness cannot be contained in one season. It has to infect what came before with it's vile suckiness.

Brainaic = awesomesauce
Traingles = sucking black holes of suck
Brainaic + Triangles = the awesome being sucked away, just leaving the suck of season seven.Now that sounds like a fun episode.

Isn't the symbol for Brainiac a traingle? I mean I know he has like a triangle on his forehead in the comics and such..

Look I am only trying to find out an explination why they even kept it with 2 people. What they should have done is "Somethings never die" or something like that.

I would have gone with "James Marsters is cool!" But I'm no advertising genius.