*choke....splutter...cough* Damn it, Cyb! Quit making me laugh so hard! Now I really want to see Tweety on the show. "I thought I thaw a thquirell!"

Ok, I have a question. Last I heard, AlMiles are still running the show (damn it!). Keeping this in mind, how do you think the Chlana break-up is going to be handled? They've gone too far to show us that Lana really doesn't give a shit about Chloe to back out of this now - if they remain friends, it's gonna raise 'WTFs' like never before. I'm pretty certain they'll bring it about sometime in Season 6 (preferably the premiere), but I just have this nagging feeling Lana'll get off the hook as usual; they'll make it seem like it was never her fault. Chloe'll look like the bad one, Lana'll get off scot-free, and we'll all be banging our heads in agony once more. That's my speculation, anyway (and this is what I get for trying to be realistic). Any ideas?

It's strangely easy to picture, isn't it?

I don't know. I think it's been such a huge WTF since Chloe tried to save her ass in Commencement and Lana still treats her like crap that nothing could surprise me now. Lana could leave flaming bags of dog crap on Chloe's DP desk and somehow, Chloe would still consider her a friend. But if they do have a falling out, I'd lay my money on Chlark being the reason. Somehow, Lana will manage to feel entitled to keeping Clark waiting in the wings and accuse Chloe of betraying her. And the text will support Lana. Chloe will look gutted, Lana will look pissy and righteous, and Clark will look for pie.

Hell, Lana could be MARRIED to Lex and still be portrayed as righteously angry that her ex-boyfriend MOVED the hell on.

Oh my gawd, you guys are too hilarious! *wipes away laughter tears* Golden, every one of you.I can't tell you how much money I would pay to see this. Can they dance at the same time, a la West Side Story?

The only thing I can say about Chlark is that the last thing I want to endure next year (besides the continuation of Clexana) is a Chlarkana(?) angst-filled love triangle. If there is to be Chlark, fine (I'm not really interested in the relationship one way or the other, so forgive me for commenting at all). But I really cannot believe the Clana angst is over. However, I could be suprised...Nah, probably not.

You know what? I think TPTB are more than aware that people are sick of love triangle angst. That's why next season will be all about the love hexagon -- Chlarkmionelexana. It will play out over the course of the entire season culiminating in a dramatic group sex scene in the FOS.

Unfortunately, film department restrictions preclude Lois from participating in the group sex, but she will be on the sidelines, wearing a bikini, making nonsensical quips, and being generally oblivious to all that goes on around her.

This. drives. me. insane. It's like that dude in Anger Management. Pretty zen about Smallville shortcomings and then someone reminds me of this glaring mother of all WTFs and I start to hate the show and the Lana Hate sharks start swimming in my head. I never hate Clark and Chloe more than when they allow themselves to be doormats to this stupid entitled fool.

I...I'm a little curious seeing as though Clark/Martha and Lex/Lionel are related.

I'm willing to bet DC Comics and the WB film department never even thought to stipulate that there can't be any incest.

Ha! Fraggin' Ha!



Smallville is long overdue for a musical episode. So long as Clark and Lex do a "Tango de la Muerte" I'll be a happy camper.

I guess that's how we know Lexmas really was a dream. Pregnant, married Lana wasn't pissed that Chloe seemed to be with Clark.

You know, they need a Love Cube. They can use that one from Forsaken. Just lock Lana in there and let everyone come look at her for a little while in each episode so that the producers get their allotted Lana Drool time, but prevent her from interacting with anyone.

I wonder how far they'll go with Mionel? As I've said before, I would have welcomed it once. Now... not so much. But I see them having Martha genuinely fall for him just in time for him to be killed by Lex, just for that added layer of "drama."

Actually Clarks adopted, he and Martha aren't technically related. As for Lionel and Lex......it never stopped them before.

I know that Clark's adopted, but that still wouldn't be any less "ew".

What now? Hot Clartha action?Is it sad that I can absolutely envision the love hexagon (gold, btw scout) actually happening? Though, at the very least, it would probably be pretty hilarious to witness.Hee! Exactly. *shudders*Oh lord help us all. As much as I love, love, love Mionel, ITA that it makes no sense whatsoever. But sticking to the idea that Lionel is rebastardized (Tm Bo deBovine) early in s6, I'm assuming Martha will drop the MB once his true and villianous intentions toward Clark are revealed. But of course, the fact that Lionel brain-fried his own son and almost killed her's hasn't stopped her, I'm not sure anything is enough to kill Martha's lust for him. Much to my personal disappointment, I don't think Mionel will go beyond neck-breathing and smoldering stares. If they even kiss, I imagine something akin to the Reckoning Lexana kiss: Lionel initiates by holding Martha's gaze with his hypnotic stare/mane (either one) and moves in for a quick, yet steamy embrace. He'll leave her to think it over, she will come to see him in the next episode and say "it can never be, let's be bff" or "it can never be, I don't want to see you anymore", and my MB is heartbroken. Or vengeful. Or both. Ok, stopping the ramble right here.

He's a multitasker. I figure it's a Contigency plan, just in case they failed to trick Clark into opening the portal to Zod, or if Clark escapes the Zone and tries to interfere again. SoFine will put them on ice for awhile. He's flying them North, which leads me to suppose there'll be a showdown at the FOS, wherein Fine will present his hostages.

Oh yeah. I'm all for seeing some Young Justice. Clark could really use the help. Especially, if Fine is also able to free the Disciples of Zod, given his newfound control of the Fortress. I think the speed of The Flash is just the edge Clark needs to solve this standoff. None of them could even touch Bart when he turns on the after-burners.

Oo, it would be neat if Bart has learned how to Lend speed, like Flash can do in the comics. Raise Clark's speed up a few notches to where he can be just a blur to Zod and Crew.

Yeah. If she doesn't have it ALL, she has nothing.

I remember how Clark just about made her blush when he told her she was his heart, his SOUL. Then the embrace. All unbidden, I thought, "Good thing Martha doesn't have heat vision..."

Is the bad Kryptonian duo still in the PZ? If so, wouldn't Clark be trapped in there with them? Maybe we'll see them next year.

I think there are two different PZs, one with the two Kryptonians, one with Clark. And that first PZ was one of the unintentionally funniest moments of S5 with Clark just standing there like "Well...that was weird."

I think S6 will start off on a good note if we see someone- Cyborg, Flash, etc.- helping doing some cleanup. In some ways I hope that when 6.1 begins and Chloe is in that precarious position she was in Vessel Batchica helps get her to safety. Even if that's all we see of her, her saving Chloe and just going off on her way, I think it would say a lot.

Here are my predictions for the Season Six premiere episode:

- Clark gets out of the PZ using some kind of magic. Whatever it is, I'm sure it'll be mostly bullshit.

- Lana finds out Lex is really "Zod", and there will be a horrified backing-away-slowly squirrel moment.

- Lionel and Chloe team up to kick some ass. Lionel gets into it with Lex, and Chloe helps Lionel. Using magic. Or perhaps more bullshit.

- Martha and Lois are saved by pie. Magic pie. Magic bull pies. Heh.

*I bump, with the power of a thousand Clards*

From Dread, in the spoiler thread:



Friggin' brilliant, Dread. You forgot: Puts Chloe in a bad light/shirks the wedgening of the Clex from Lana to Chloe? Check.

I'm putting a five dollar bet on that very scenario happening! Or something very much like it. The angst would be even more pointless (and therefore, more exciting to TPTB) if Clark and Chloe don't kiss, but merely have a moment which Lana misinterprets, much like she did their "let's kill Lex!" conversation.

Also... wedgening. Hee.

I really wanted Lex to nudge Lana into realizing that Chloe knew Clark's secret last season. You'd think Lex would've exploited that situation for his own gain. They ultimately made sure Lana felt she couldn't go to Chloe because of Chloe's connection to Clark, but they didn't really give her a reason for feeling that way. Although I guess for Lana, simply being Clark's friend is reason enough.

Awhile back, Chiri and I were talking about how knowing the secret not allowed Chloe to grow closer to Clark, but for Clark to grow closer to her. Their relationship became more open without the secret between them.

That got me thinking about the Clana. It really bugged me that after months of dating, Clark still had Lana up on that Princess Pedestal. I mean, it *really* bothered me. I figured that once they actually got together, they'd see why they weren't a good fit. But as he could never tell her his secret, he could never develop that reciprocal openness with her.

Not really breaking news, just something that only recently hit me.

I saw an animated movie earlier today on CN, and it involved bits of the PZ, which made me think of Smallville. Why? Well, with no Everwood, I got to think of something. Anyhow, does anyone know how they've portrayed the PZ in the series? I ask because I dropped out of SV watching somewhere for a while, and picked it up near April and I'm too lazy to go back and watch previous epis. But, I'm thinking if it portrays the PZ like that one I saw today, I think I came up with an acceptable solution. So basically, the PZ was like a huge mindfuck, so perhaps, they start the season off like normal, while barely mentioning all the ruckus. Well, halfway through, you find out that the PZ is mindfucking Clark, and it's just playing tricks on him. That way I think you can milk this badboy for a good long while. Plus, I would consider that to be some "cleverer" writing than we're used to on SV. IDK, this is AlMiles though. Perhaps Clark will just use his Lana-will to somehow overpower the PZ and then excommunicating Zod from Lex and she falls for Clark again and its one, big, happy threesome.

Boy. You really haven't watched in a while. A monkey chasing a rabbit around a glitter factory with a remote controlled carrot is cleverer than most of season five.

P.S - We're on page 69! Tee hee! I'm just that immature.

Speculating on the likelihood of Chlark:

I think it's too soon, too, considering Clark and Lana are just recently over and Chloe would be wary of being the Rebound Girl. But I don't think those kinds of considerations would necessarily play into TPTB's decisions. They've never shied away from rushing into things. Nor have they ever shied away from dragging things out ridiculously.

If I had to speculate based on past history, I'd say the most likely thing to happen would be: Nothing. They'll either blow off the Vessel kiss or somehow manage to drag it out with annoying angst about "ohnoes! we can't be together because it will ruin our friendship 4-evah!!"

There's a slim chance they'll do something shocking, like let Clark and Chloe get together angst-free and have a fun and functional relationship. In which case, I'd be waiting for the other shoe to drop. "Are they going to gut Clark by killing Chloe just when he's at his happiest?! Are they going to have Lana try to break them up and succeed?! Will Clark suddenly realize he's still in love with Lex?!!"

Or there's the old Chlarkana angst they could dredge up again. As I've said elsewhere, I think if they continue with Lexana (which I think they will) then I think it means Clexana by default. Even if Clark isn't trying to win Lana back as his girlfriend, he'll probably still feel obligated to rescue her from the Big Bad Man. Then out of nowhere, Chloe would return to her S2 insecurities and mistake Clark's mission for something else. I don't think it's logical and I don't think it should happen, but it's one of the ways I could see the writers going. There's lots of angst that way and they seem to love the angst like hot buttered biscuits.

I’m pretty sure that if Clark and Chloe hook up, what I speculated on will happen. Maybe not in the season premier, but I think some version of it will definitely happen.

Chlark happens and grows while Lexana begins to wither and die. Lana, being Lana, decides to run to Clark to complain and whine about how eeeevil Lex is being. At which point she sees them in an intimate moment, and immediately decides that Chloe has only been her friend to get to Clark, and Clark has always had feelings for Chloe, and she runs off crying about how everyone has abandoned her except eeeevil Lex.

Of course, this will inevitably lead to tension with Chloe and Clark as Clark tries to reach out and save Lana, and Lana tries to work her charms with Clark to get him back. And Clark’s just dumb enough to screw it all up completely and become her lapdog again, even if he doesn’t become her boyfriend again.

Dread, I think you're probably right. But isn't Chloe just as likely to try and save Lana from Lex as Clark is? Also, if the show really does go on for 2 more seasons, they are going to have to drag that whole thing out for a while, because what do they do with Lana after that?

And there's a major problem with the show right there. This show was originally conceived as being about Clark, Lex, and Lana, and she's still considered the third most important person on the show, as reflected in the credits, whereas Allison Mack plays a relatively minor character. And yet Chloe drives the story to a much greater degree. Lana mostly doesn't do much to drive the plot. But they have to do SOMETHING with her to justify her placement in the credits. This leads to a lot of futile angsting that doesn't do much to propel the show forward, IMHO.

I figured they were going to go forward with Lexana, which would give her something to do (and on a side note, KK plays bad so well that I'd love to see her character go bad!), but SDK's blog indicates that isn't the case. Which makes me wonder, what on earth DO they plan to do with her?

My impression from SDK is that they do intend to go forward with Lexana, at least for a while. And my further impression is that AlMiles have a major hard-on for that "new" Lana relationship. I think they say in the new SV magazine (which I haven't read myself, but I saw this posted) that Clark and Lana are over, its Lex and Lana now. And they seem thrilled by that, particularly the Clana being over part. And they are going on and on that this coming season will be about Lex embracing his evil destiny.

What I'm not getting any sense of from SDK's blog, or any AlMiles' comments, is if they have anything planned for Clark. He seems largely absent, which is incredibly odd considering he's the obvious star of the show. I did see a comment from either Thing 1 or Thing 2 that this is the season "that would try Clark's soul", or something to that effect. I guess the previous seasons have been nothing but shits and giggles, eh? Yeah, b/c this year that just passed was just too damned happy and easy for Clark.

Oh, I think it was Al that said Hypnotic "was sexy". Now, I can see the debate over Unsafe, but at least its been established that Red-K takes away Clark's inhibitions, it can't make hm do something he doesn't deep down want to do. But Hypno-Ho took away his free will completely and utterly. But thats "sexy" to Big Al. And the creepy just keeps on coming, doesn't it?

Honestly, getting the uneasy feeling that next season will be wall-to-wall Lexana (which is just this side of unwatchable for me), more Mionel, Chloe/new love interest, and Lois doing her usual popping in and out. As for Clark? I'm predicting him miserable about the Lexana, miserable about Mionel, bummed out about Chloe/love interest, and continuously mocked by Lois.

Uh-oh, bitterness begins a slow creep over the edges.

What do you guys think they're gonna do about Lois next season? ED's supposed to appear for 13 episodes, so apart from the usual mockery of Clark, and being 'comic relief' (pffft), they've gotta give Lois something to do. They handed so many things to her on a platter this season; what more are they going to give her that she doesn't earn? Or is she, like Lana, going to be defined by boyfriends now?

I seriously don't know what they're doing with Lois, or where they're going with her. Apparently, ED doesn't either. Can anyone tell me why she's still here?


And the really horrible thing is that this is perfectly possible. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this is exactly what happens. Six seasons in, and angst and misery still remain Smallville's prominent themes. And I'm still watching. Ugh, sometimes I hate that I love this show so much. I hate that I keep coming back, that I keep watching for those few good episodes that pop by every season.

I'm already wallowing in it. :/

I spoke imprecisely. SDK said they'd do Lexana for a while, but that "all good things must come to an end," or some such. I took that to mean Lexana wouldn't go on too long. But where did you see this info from SV magazine??? I thought they intended to beat the Clana horse for the rest of the show, honestly. Can someone confirm they said Clana was over for certain? I would be so totally thrilled if AlMiles actually said that. I mean, really, the sky looks much bluer already...:-)

EllyF, I read the excerpts on the DTS board in the section that is Lex/Lana. Which is funny, since I don't generally ever check that board, but I saw "spoiler", so I went and took a look. Now, a few things....given the nature of the board that had the excerpts, they may be choosing quotes favorable to their 'ship. However, AlMiles do say Clana is over about 3 times. And KK says it in an interview as well. It seems definitive, but the same thing could probably have been said at the beginning of S4 going by the comments they made. KK also seems displeased with the speed in which Lexana occured (she's a quirky one, she chooses words carefully, but deliberately).

Until I actually see the stuff for myself though, I'm strictly reporting it as heresay. When I get the magazine, I promise to confirm. Unless someone beats me to it.

Yes, Al Gough kind of confirmed the end of Clana. I got the magazine today, and here's what he said:



He continues...

The "end" of Clana does not necessarily mean the "end" of pining. That's what I fear and that's what I believe.

I know. That's the scariest to me about Al Gough's words.

I imagine it'll be like it has been for the past two seasons. She'll be a taller, pushier Pete who looks great in a bikini.

As for Clana, I don't trust AlMiles as far as I can throw them. They've said hopeful things in the past. Like they acknowledged that the Clana and their barn scenes had gotten repetetive, but what did they do? Introduce Jason for a while and then write more Clana and more Clana barn scenes. They said Clark and Lana would never get together--not just not end up together, but not even get together. But what did they do? Hook them up for the end of season 4 and 2/3 of season 5, the majority of which was angst and Thecreth and Lieth.

They seem to have a pattern of pushing a triangle whenever they want to shake up Clana. That's basically what I speculate will happen with the Clexana. Lex will be Jason 2.0. For me the only variable is how will Lana react? Does she play the "loyal" girlfriend who tries to save her man? Does she get led down the Eeevoll path (while somehow coming out of it blameless)? Or does she try to ditch Lex right away and cling right back onto Clark?

That's what I believe, too. Even if they never officially date again, there'll be woodland creature glittery eyes and whispers and long, awkward silences and painful metaphors about the sunset.

I don't know. As I've pointed out before, both Lex and Fine threw Clark's loss of Lana into his face in "Vessel," and he barely blinked. It seemed to me they could have had him react a lot more strongly if they were going to keep him pining. Maybe, just maybe, if they've really finally realized they've drawn the relationship out beyond all reason, they'll also perceive that our hero moping about the loss of a girl isn't really worth dragging out endlessly, either. Maybe I'm deluded, but one may hope:-).

Also, Al might just change his mind...now that Mercy Reef is going nowhere, he'll be free to turn his attention back to Smallville. Be afraid, be very afraid.

Cyb: Come on, isn't that why people watch Smallville? To be angsted out by Clana?

And we do know that the original version of Fade had him throwing a tantrum and breaking the telescope in his despair and rage over Lexana. In the final version, he handled the whole thing pretty calmly, and in a rather mature move, IMO, he packed away the telescope. So, there might be a sliver of hope there.

But the fact that they are giving us no indications of where Clark is headed next season is, IMO, troubling.

Yeah but remember, Chloe seemed to be over Clark in S3, no pining at all, and then at the beginning of S4, she confessed she still had feelings for him. "So much for my happy ending," sang Avril Lavigne while Chloe watched Lois and Clark bonding.

Then there's Lex at the beginning of S5, acting for all the world like he was just using Lana. He watched with detachment as she passed out, injured, in front of him. But in Lexmas he's mooing about how he's always loved her.

I agree wholeheartedly that it makes complete logical sense for Clark to be over her, or at least well on his way. But... logic and sense doesn't necessarily play into it.

Not me! I'm watching to be grossed out by the Lexana!

Not necessarily. They've already telegraphed where they're going with Lex and Lana. But Clark is (supposedly) the major character in the show, so the question of where he's going next is more of a mystery that will presumably entice viewers into watching next season. After all, they tried their best to keep the Chlark kiss under wraps, too. I think they have a plan for Clark's romantic life and they're trying to keep it a big dark secret in order to keep us guessing over the summer.

Cyb, you smartie! That was a trick question! hehehehe.



BadToad Now you mention it...but then, Clark's character development really hasn't been a tremendous priority in earlier seasons. It's been more about what shade of eye shadow would bring out Lana's doe eyes more.

Sorry, folks..I leave the bitterness thread, hoping to be suitable for normal company, and I find that I am incapable of being nonbitter....going back to the bitterness thread.....sorry, really. :(

All threads on Smallville are bitterness threads, it's just the focus of the bitterness that changes. Is it bitterness about spoilers? Bitterness about speculation? Bitterness about the all the seasons? Bitterness about how we imagine the show continuing? With Smallville it can't be helped. I mean what are we going to praise?

Sure they have. *looks at the press release* Clark will continue on his journey towards herodom while Lex continues on the road to darkness. See!! It's there in black and white.

I was a firm believer that Chloe was over Clark romantically all the way through S5. I'm kind of disappointed a Chlark romanticship might take place since, judging by past events, it will only succeed in ruining the Chlark we have and love.

I'm not sure this is the thread for this, but since this is where we are talking about recent AlMiles comments, here's a head scratcher for you...

Al Gough: "The one regret that Miles and I have - and again sometimes things get away from you - is that we wish that Clark and Lana had broken up in the 100th episode and called it a day. It sort of bizzarely got dragged out over four episodes. So I think we finally put the nail in that coffin."

Now, yes, I agree with him here, but how does this get away from you?

Is this for real? Or did Al have a Lex style conk on the head after this and remembers nothing?

Apparently its for real.

Ya know, not for nothing, but do they really need to be so crass and blunt about the end of Clana? I realize its a much hated 'ship around here, and I'm sick to death of it myself. But still, it is a 'ship that the show pushed for a very long time, and it does have its devoted fans. Is it necessary for Al to piss on it, and them, quite this much? A little diplomacy probably wouldn't hurt. And if its something they are so gleeful about ending, why the hell drag it out for so long? For that matter, why get them together in S5 at all?

AlMiles are a bizarre twosome.

I am in constant cringe-mode every time that man speaks. To quote a favorite film of mine, he never opens his mouth without first calculating how much damage he can do. If I owned the CW, I'd pounce upon him with a muzzle and some cuffs.

I can sort of see how this happened. After "Reckoning" we all assumed they were more or less permanently broken up. But for some reason the breakup didn't get written into "Vengeance"-- I remember a lot of puzzlement on the boards about that. Maybe they filmed the two episodes concurrently or something? Or maybe it was just one of those continuity errors that occurs when you have different writers doing different episodes. After it wasn't mentioned in "Vengeance," I guess they felt it had to be addressed directly again. Honestly, I think it would have been better to pretend that Lana was just being a good friend in "Vengeance," and not dragged the plot out to its rather weak and tortured ending in "Hypnotic." But I don't write for TV, so what do I know?



Gotta agree with you there. If they think it was dragged out so badly, why on earth did they resurrect it at the end of season 4?

The hell? If losing his dad, breaking up with his girlfriend, being manipulated by Fine, and dealing with the abusive Jor-El wasn't trying Clark's soul, then I'm scared of what's to come in S6.

EllyF, the puzzlement for me wasn't with "Vengeance". It was in "Tomb" when Clark asked, "If we're a couple, then why didn't we come together" or something like that. They should have absolutely broken up in the 100th episode. It really sounded like a break up. When "Hypnotic" came, most people thought of it as self parody that they broke up.

You forgot watching his mom almost die, having a very dangerous man learn his secret, having his former best friend get possessed by a Kryptonian overlord, and getting banished into another dimension to boot.

Honestly, I am sick of seeing Clark getting beaten down. Seriously, I hope they start building the guy up and letting him win some of the time. Let him triumph over adversity, smile, have fun, maybe even have an angst free relationship.

I understand dramatic conventions and that the hero needs to go through a few valleys, but he’s also supposed to have a few mountain tops along the way.

It's a wonder that he doesn't suffer from Depression.



Word. I am so sick Clark being so depressed. And even when he does win, something else bad happens. Clark saves Smallville from a missile, but finds out someone he loves will die.



I guess they thought "Fragile" would be enough. Think again, AlMiles.

I didn't see "Tomb," as it happens. But it looked like the writers kind of forgot about the breakup in "Vengeance" and wound up making a sloppy and awkward fix a few episodes later. I'm not sure how that kind of thing happens-- you'd think they'd have an executive editor or something that would make sure the show's continuity flows properly. But apparently they don't, because they have continuity problems on a fairly frequent basis:-).