Pat Agonia
Aug 1, 2004 @ 2:42 am
I concur with the lameness of the new theme. OTOH, the hand drawn stills of the JL headliners look awesome, and have more feeling to them than the 3d CG likenesses from the old intro. Too bad they had to be interspersed with clips from the show, which compromises the feeling a bit.
Me? I thought the show was fine, and I found myself warm up to the Green Arrow, who looks like he'll do quite a fine job as the new resident free agent, for lack of better term.
roosterboy
Aug 1, 2004 @ 2:49 am
Although in the comics, if Captain Atom's containment suit was damaged, he would explode, but he would get shifted into the future a few weeks.
In the comics, it wasn't a containment suit, though. It was his skin. Wasn't it? He would get thrown foward in time whenever he absorbed too much energy.
Vibe was there?? Vibe??! I must have missed him. You sure it was him? Dear lord, I hope not.
Unfortunately. You can see him go by in the background in the scene where GL leads the team to the Javelin hanger.
And not only Vibe, but Steel and Gypsy were there too.
[Obsidian] did star out out as a hero, but went insane and came close to world domination on several occasions.
Considering that several of the heroes they showed are dead in regular DC continuity, I doubt Obsidian's villainous status really matters much.
Gnosis
Aug 1, 2004 @ 3:20 am
I'm sorry, but I really can't picture Dr. Fate and the Question as members.
True. I can't picture the Demon or Huntress as members either, but they was there as well.
lurk3000
Aug 1, 2004 @ 3:34 am
Just watched it. I concur with what most everybody is saying. New theme music SUCKS. Yup. Those damn power chords reminded me of the 80s. Other than that. Not too bad. I wish we could see more of Black Canary this season...
Is CN still showing re-runs of "Justice League"? I ended up taping over "A Better World Parts 1 and 2" D'OH!
selfdog
Aug 1, 2004 @ 3:46 am
Did anyone else see "The Creeper" in that crowd shot?! That was hilarious. He looked just as insane as he did in the Batman series.
Good to know I'm not the only one who didn't like the power chords during the ep.
And something else: when Lantern was bed-striken and the others were about to leave, did he call out "Shayera" rather than "Kara"? I could have sworn he did...
Perfect Xero
Aug 1, 2004 @ 4:27 am
Meh.
First off this huge League causes all sorts of logical problems ... Why send only 3 members to deal with the situation? They could send 20 members and still have a couple of hundred left to deal with anything else that might happen in the universe ...
Second: Green Arrow... Don't like him. If I wanted to see a smart ass, skirt-chasing, archer, I'd be sending Marvel letters demanding Hawkeye: TAS.
Also, I'm not such a big fan of the non-super people in the League ... They end up being over written to make it look like they belong rubbing shoulders with Superman and Wonder Woman. Case in point -- Tonights episode featured 3 powerful characters taken down, while Ollie saves the day? What madness is this? It just makes everyone else look incompetent and weak. Yeah, there's Batman, and I have problems with him being in the League too (even though he never actually became a member), but at least with Bats they can play up his detective skills. Ollie has ... trick arrows?
Supergirl I didn't mind, she's a part of the established mythos, even if her personality seems to be exactly the same as every other spunky-teen-gal in comic history. Poor Cap Atom, he gets punked twice in his first episode ...
LolaRuns
Aug 1, 2004 @ 6:19 am
I enjoyed it. But then again, I'm a Green Arrow fangirl. Don't know if I'll be as open with the other episodes. I was kinda hoping for him to start retching after being trasported, the way they do in the comics.
Got a small jolt out of seeing all those JSA members. Bring on a Wildcat episode.
I think that having those extremely small teams might be necessary so the viewers can get a feel of the new characters.
HATE the new music. Thought the outside shots of the space station (including the outgoing and incoming ships) were extremely ugly. Didn't like all of the pacing. Like, too much time spend on the scene where Green Arrow busts the guy at the supermarket.
Personally, I always thought that it made sense for JLA to invite 'lesser' superheros. Kind as some sort of open house policy. To proove that they aren't some elitist group of power drunk fascists. Everybody can come in and see for themselves.
mutantmagnet
Aug 1, 2004 @ 7:31 am
Green Lantern did shout out "Shayera" while bed stricken.
It actually makes sense to send out small teams first. We've seen plenty of JL episodes where it only required two people to assess a situation and if it got out of hand they could call in for back up.
Also from what I gather I think the coreJL founders are taking a more proactive approach and sending league members on missions outside of earth to deal with alien problems that can affect earth in a threateningly reasonable manner. But only more episodes will prove my thought on this to be true. If it is true expect this to create immediate problems between everyone who may not agree with being sent on missions so far away from their homeworld.
What was retarded was Green Arrow saving the day but what was inexcusable was the incompetence depicted by Supergirl and Captain Atom. I even knew before they revealed their "plan" it was going to be a poorly executed one but I didn't think it was going to be so bad that two people nearly get killed as a result *rollseyes*
Question. I saw Star Saphire in there. Did she become a good gal in the comics?
LolaRuns
Aug 1, 2004 @ 8:13 am
Are you sure it was Star Saphire and not Huntress in her new ugly pink costume?
Zerowing
Aug 1, 2004 @ 10:11 am
Also, I'm not such a big fan of the non-super people in the League ... They end up being over written to make it look like they belong rubbing shoulders with Superman and Wonder Woman. Case in point -- Tonights episode featured 3 powerful characters taken down, while Ollie saves the day? What madness is this? It just makes everyone else look incompetent and weak. Yeah, there's Batman, and I have problems with him being in the League too (even though he never actually became a member), but at least with Bats they can play up his detective skills.
True, but when you consider that Batman is supposed to be this thirty-something guy who's an expert in criminology, forensics, computers, biology, electronics, as well as a master of several martial arts disciplines, that's well beyond anything a "normal" human could achieve at that age.
And Green Arrow's skill and precision with arrows borders on superhuman.
Really,
all these people are "godlike" in comparison to normal human beings.
Ollie has ... trick arrows?
Well presumably this Ollie is based on the Silver Age Green Arrow, and he did use trick arrows. And I think in the current Green Arrow series, Ollie has gone back to using trick arrows.
LolaRuns
Aug 1, 2004 @ 11:11 am
I still think that they need to low power heros more to keep themselves grounded.
Take Aquaman for example. His powers aren't particularly unique. Nothing the League couldn't receate. But whenever they come across him (which usually including HIM having some sort of problem) they humor him and let him act like he is in charge, at least in front of his own people.
Why? Not because they need his help, but rather (1) because they are nice and (2) he might not be necessary but he might be a mayer annoyance if he was actively working against them.
I think same goes for most of the minor heros.
Another thing to consider is the fact that the League in generally usually doesn't fly on full power anyway. Especially Superman and J'onn could be a lot deadlier/effective if they were using all of their powers. Also, most of them are mostly body to body (aka punch and throw) fighters. Heros who fight with ranged weapons like Ollie are actually pretty rare.
mutantmagnet
Aug 1, 2004 @ 11:19 am
You actually have a point there. The number of ranged fighters (ignroing telekenetics and magicians) is laughably small.
It looked very much like Star Saphire in a souped up costume but I could be wrong.
Arkham
Aug 1, 2004 @ 11:58 am
My first thought was Star Sapphire too. But Huntress makes more sense.
This episode had a reasonable excuse for not sending in more JL members: the government didn't want them there. I don't know if they'll be able to come up with a good reason for not sending in backup every week, though.
I think low-powered superheroes such as Green Arrow are useful for storytelling purposes, just as long as they don't save the day in every episode.
Based on the opening credits, I suspect that mrow is right about Green Arrow and Supergirl getting a lot of screentime while most of the new characters are relegated to the background. I think GA has the potential for interesting character development, but Supergirl seems like a generic bratty kid hero and Captain Atom seemed kinda boring. I suspect we'll see Captain Atom again, though, because they made a point of mentioning that he was getting a new costume at the end of the episode.
You can add me to the list of people who don't like the new theme or the guitar riffing during the show.
roosterboy
Aug 1, 2004 @ 12:48 pm
Based on the opening credits, I suspect that mrow is right about Green Arrow and Supergirl getting a lot of screentime while most of the new characters are relegated to the background.
I'm actually wondering if the credits each week will intersperse shots of the Big Guns with that week's guest heroes. That'd be kinda neat, I think.
I forgot about Ollie's trick arrows! I nearly laughed myself off the sofa when I saw him take out that robber with the old boxing glove arrow. I love that stuff!
Second: Green Arrow... Don't like him. If I wanted to see a smart ass, skirt-chasing, archer, I'd be sending Marvel letters demanding Hawkeye: TAS.
Eh, Hawkeye
wishes he was as cool as GA.
cambridgeguy
Aug 1, 2004 @ 1:14 pm
I'm actually wondering if the credits each week will intersperse shots of the Big Guns with that week's guest heroes. That'd be kinda neat, I think.
Actually, I heard that is supposed to be the case. Next week's shots should showcase a different set of heroes.
While I mostly enjoyed the episode, I did have a few reservations about it.
1. It took 1/2 of an inanimate carbon rod to stop the guy? That's not much a nuclear reactor.
2. Related to this, anyone get the feeling that Superman or WW would have gotten the rod in without nearly as much trouble? That's the problem with second tier heroes: they usually face problems that can be easily solved by the big guns. That's fine when you know they aren't supposed to be around, but on this series it begs the question of what Supes was doing.
3. GL: Haven't you been pounded enough to realize you have to keep your guard up?
4. Boy, I sure hope Bruce Wayne can explain this one away if he is the one who paid for the new satellite and equipment.
Zerowing
Aug 1, 2004 @ 1:25 pm
Related to this, anyone get the feeling that Superman or WW would have gotten the rod in without nearly as much trouble?
Actually I remember in episodes of Superman's Animated series where giant monsters gave him a heck of a hard time. This cartoon version of Supes is not nearly as quick and nimble as his comic book counterpart.
mutantmagnet
Aug 1, 2004 @ 2:38 pm
That's an understatement if I heard one. Supergirl has potential if they are interested in creating a storyline that shows how she matures over the years. There's alot of potential in her for cerebral entertainment.
Perfect Xero
Aug 1, 2004 @ 3:48 pm
What was retarded was Green Arrow saving the day but what was inexcusable was the incompetence depicted by Supergirl and Captain Atom. I even knew before they revealed their "plan" it was going to be a poorly executed one but I didn't think it was going to be so bad that two people nearly get killed as a result *rollseyes*
That's my point, in order for Green Arrow to save the day Supergirl and Cap Atom have to be taken out by writers fiat so Ollie can look cool and single handedly save the day.
Yeah, Batman brings other abilities to the table, which is why I don't have as much of a problem with him being on the League (just don't give me a Frank Miller Batman who can make Superman's arm useless with a "nerve punch"). As long as those other abilities are what they focus on, and Bruce isn't smacking Darkseid around ...
Heros who fight with ranged weapons like Ollie are actually pretty rare.
Supes has heat vision, GL has ranged attacks, and Batman has something in his belt for every occasion ... That's 3 of the original 7, and, as stated, several of the characters are strong enough to just throw something in a pinch.
Arkham
Aug 1, 2004 @ 5:31 pm
I don't mind that GA had a major role in defeating the monster of the week.
I do mind that it was obvious that GA would be the one to save the day once the show indicated that he was reluctant to join the Justice League because he didn't consider himself a monster fighter.
I also mind that the victory didn't seem more like a team effort. I don't want to see too many episodes in which the more powerful heroes are taken out of the fight by writers fiat, as Pefect Xero noted, just so someone can save the day.
Vermicious Knid
Aug 1, 2004 @ 11:06 pm
did he call out "Shayera" rather than "Kara"?
That's what I heard too.
Didn't like the original CGI opening, don't think the new one is an improvement either.
I saw the Huntress. Also Ralph's head and neck in a panning shot. After Crisis the JSA members became part of Earth history because the multiverse was gone, but it's already been established this show is outside regular DC continuity anyway.
Where were all these others heroes while Earth was under occupation by the Thanagarians?
VWBug82
Aug 1, 2004 @ 11:30 pm
The obvious answer is in the shower/on vacation/sleeping or numerous other reasons for being indisposed. They could have been helping just "off-screen" too.
And I really wouldn't want to be on any group GA gets put in since his reason for staying is he might "get lucky". He's definately not the type I'd want my life to depend on. I hope Black Canary doesn't even give him the time of day.
LolaRuns
Aug 2, 2004 @ 12:06 am
Supes has heat vision, GL has ranged attacks, and Batman has something in his belt for every occasion ... That's 3 of the original 7, and, as stated, several of the characters are strong enough to just throw something in a pinch.
Both Superman and J'onn have heat vision. (and I'm guessing 'psych attacks' could count as a ranged weapon in J'onn's case) The point is that they rarely ever use them. Due to the no killing villains policy. *
Actually Superman uses heat vision a lot more in the cartoon, he uses them even less in the comics.
* In fact that is my interpretation of why Green Arrow never will and never should have a permanent place in the JLA (and to be fair, that's not what they were trying to tell us). Because in the end his prime method of taking somebody down includes shooting and injuring them. Which in his case means blood. I think that longterm his methods just wouldn't fit with the JLA.
Kaboom
Aug 2, 2004 @ 6:34 am
You can add me to the list of people who don't like the new theme or the guitar riffing during the show.
Me too!
I'm new to all of these superheroes, so I enjoyed seeing all of these new people (who was that little guy on WW's shoulder? seeing that cracked me UP). I remember GA from my childhood and I loved seeing him, but I'm so missing HG right now.
Supergirl needs to go. I've always disliked her, and I probably always will. And Captain Atom is as hot as the guy who voices him. Rowwrrr.
cambridgeguy
Aug 2, 2004 @ 7:24 am
So have you guys looked on CN's JLU page?
It looks like we'll get to see the Batman Beyond universe one more time. This, of course, opens up a whole can of worms about the timeline. Maybe we'll even get the pleasure of having present and future Bruce Wayne meeting.
mutantmagnet
Aug 2, 2004 @ 7:39 am
I have to post this. Funniest parody of Superman's speech if I ever saw one.
Each of you brings something different to the table. Cranberry sauce; pumpkin pie; maraschino cherries for the fruit salad; those little olives without pimentoes that some people like but which I can't stand. Strength; speed; stealth; whatever. Way to channel Bob Dole there, Supes. But we're all equal in at least one way. We all of us have enormous [bleep]. Except the girls, so they don't count. Each of us is willing to make the sacrifices that a hero needs to make. Each of us is also willing to kick the asses of internet geeks who make fun of us. But that's more of a fringe benefit. Even the ultimate one. Now at Taco Bell.
Since there are so many of us, we have a chance to do more than just put out fires--both literal and figurative. But mostly literal. We'll start with you, Firestorm. J'onn, the garden hose, please. We can be proactive. We can think outside the box. We can turn obstacles into opportunities, give 110%, and turn lemons into lemonde. Remember, there is no "I" in "team." We can do some real good in the world. As opposed to the fake good that those Hollywood types get up to when they're not playing tonsil-hockey with each other. Not that I'm jealous.
But we're gonna have to be organized. No going on missions without your Trapper Keeper and a number two pencil. J'onn'll be up here keeping an eye on everything. We figured out last season that he's pretty damn useless, but we need to salve his pride. He'll be the one to decide who's going where and when. Keep on his good side if you don't want to find yourself on a snipe hunt. I know a lot of you are used to making those decisions for yourself. That's why you sat out all those invasions from alternate dimensions and other planets. But who's got the last laugh now, punks? But from now on we have to be more coordinated than that. As Flash will demonstrate by patting his head and rubbing his tummy simultaneously. We can't be cowboys anymore. Or cowgirls. Great. Save the only unfunny line for last, why don't you?
Gnosis
Aug 2, 2004 @ 8:19 am
who was that little guy on WW's shoulder? seeing that cracked me UP
That was the Atom. He can shrink down to microscopic levels and in the comics is usually the JLA's go-to guy for science related stuff (Unlike Batman, and despite what Homer Simpson says, the Atom is an actual scientist with a PhD and everything).
Zerowing
Aug 2, 2004 @ 8:26 am
(who was that little guy on WW's shoulder? seeing that cracked me UP)
That was the Atom. (Not Captain Atom, just "The Atom") The scene with him on Wonder Woman's shoulder was obviously a callback from the Atom's appearence on the Superfriends.
The Atom has the ability to alter his physical size and mass. He's also a super-genius when it comes to physics and quantum mechanics.
Penguin Zero
Aug 2, 2004 @ 8:58 am
The Atom also got a passing reference last season, in Hereafter. Superman returns, and the League immediately goes off to stop Vandal Savage from raiding the lab of one Ray Palmer. Ray Palmer, of course, is the scientist who would become the Atom as a result of his experiments with white dwarf matter...
Kaboom
Aug 2, 2004 @ 9:16 am
That was the Atom.
Thank you, Gnosis and Zerowing! Seeing that scene made me immediately flash back to the Superfriends (which I watched religiously) but I couldn't remember his name.
Given a choice, I would've preferred the speech that mutantmagnet just posted rather than the one Supes actually gave in the ep. :-)
Hugin
Aug 2, 2004 @ 10:21 am
You know, Hawkgirl was my favorite member of the JLA. Something about her crankiness, and her visceral "All problems can be solved by hitting them really, really hard." attitude were fun. And I liked the developing HG/GL relationship.
I miss her. I'm familiar with all the new characters, but none of them make me salivate really. Maybe Dr. Fate., but he's clearly not going to be especially prominent.
Bring back multiple-part episodes. Bring back HG. The others can stay, assuming longer episode times to examine them within.
Vermicious Knid
Aug 2, 2004 @ 10:39 am
Now I'm remembering the last pre-Crisis Atom story. Ray finds some tribe of 5 inch people hidden in the jungle, falls in love and decides to go native. They had him running around with a loincloth over his uniform and waving a sword. I think a picture of that should be in the dictionary next to 'writers running out of ideas'.
Flash was missing.
JTMacc99
Aug 2, 2004 @ 10:54 am
To proove that they aren't some elitist group of power drunk fascists.
Hee! On the one hand, they are, but on the other hand they're just so NICE about it.
It took 1/2 of an inanimate carbon rod to stop the guy?
Heh-heh-heh. My thoughts exactly. However, we've only got 20 minutes or so to save the world here so half a rod is all we've got time for. In Rod We Trust!
... but on this series it begs the question of what Supes was doing.
Well, he was either 1. Heating up the little quiches or blowing on some water to make ice for the big cocktail party on the space station; 2. Working with his speech writer to come up with some more corny jokes for the next time he addresses the league; 3. Dealing with some other problem somewhere else in the galaxy going on at the same time, which we will be forced to always think is the case if we are ever to enjoy this show (and by the way, GL, Supergirl and George Eads is plenty of firepower to deal with a big nuclear monstrosity setting hapless villagers and military personnel on fire); or 4. Maybe he was using his X-ray vision to look into the super-showers.
Oh, and by the way, I think this show will be a lot of fun for people like me, who really don't know a lot of comic book characters. I barely recognized any of the characters in the crowd, so for me, this show will be my introduction to most of them. I'm looking forward to it.
Arkham
Aug 2, 2004 @ 11:57 am
The problem with having so many members in the Justice League is that it undermines the sense of urgency to the group's missions.
For example, it will be harder to create a scenario in which five JL members are down and the fate of the world depends on the last man (or woman) standing, because there will still be two dozen heroes left.
Schroeder
Aug 2, 2004 @ 12:19 pm
What's the diff between Captain Atom and The Atom?
Besides George Eads doing the voice?
Colonial Philistine
Aug 2, 2004 @ 12:26 pm
Captain Atom - silver skin, powers concerning quantum radiation, ex-military officer.
Atom - guy in red/blue spandex, powers concerning growing/shrinking, brilliant research scientist (not in military).
JTMacc99
Aug 2, 2004 @ 12:34 pm
The problem with having so many members in the Justice League is that it undermines the sense of urgency to the group's missions.
For example, it will be harder to create a scenario in which five JL members are down and the fate of the world depends on the last man (or woman) standing, because there will still be two dozen heroes left.
Well, this is a good point. I'm under the assumption that the eye-in-the-sky will either not always be aware of what is going on, OR the writers of this show are saving the "send in the reinforcements" stories for later, after we've had a chance to be introduced to a number of them.
Smeg
Aug 2, 2004 @ 1:18 pm
I agree with the people saying that the new theme sucks. Because it does. For the animated shots in the credits, I thought, "Maybe they only had one episode completely done when they put together the credits, so they're all clips from the first episode." Glad I was wrong, because it was a little Supergirl heavy.
They tried hard to make the CG look integrated and seamless, but it was still a little too slick for my tastes.
The closed-captions had GL saying "Kara." But they're not always right.
On the whole, kind of meh, but I'll keep watching it. I miss Hawkgirl. And GL's hair. The blurb for next week's episode makes my brain goes to the gutter, and so I laugh.
WithoutFeathers
Aug 2, 2004 @ 3:04 pm
Next week's is the adaptation of Alan Moore's "For the Man Who Has Everything?", right?
It stands a decent chance of being, by default, the best adaptation of Moore's work ever.
ArthurCurry
Aug 2, 2004 @ 3:20 pm
I think the writers are trying -- and not yet succeeding -- to suggest that several teams are sent out at the same time to tackle different threats. That's the only reason I could fathom for the shots of so many ships buzzing in and out of the satellite. Otherwise, just what're the rest of them doing up there, anyway? Improv games? Boot Scootin'? No-Limit Texas Hold'em? What?
But yeah -- an inevitable side-effect of the new approach is that the stakes do seem much lower.
As for the "loss" of characterization -- well, I don't know. Didn't really notice it. This show has always been pitched, it seems to me, more to those who love to watch the collateral destruction of various public works projects than to overeducated and hopelessly geeky individuals like me who'd prefer a latter-day meditation on the super-hero genre.
Can't blame the show for that; if I had to choose between an audience of kids and an audience of geeks I'd probably aim for kids, too. And they've always tossed me a bone by squeezing in a few good, characterizings beat here or there. Still, there's only so many times I can watch X strike Y, causing Y to be hurled backward and leave an inevitable Y-shaped imprint in the landscape.
That said, I'm in. This is the only time I'll get to see some of the also-rans that make the DCU so lovably ... lovable. Even if they never get any serious screen time -- B'wana Beast? I mean, come ON!
But yes, the new theme is bad. Enterprise-level-bad. And arises out of a similar 80's-hair-band, guitar-solo-overbite, aesthetic.
mr.simpatico
Aug 2, 2004 @ 3:20 pm
Captain Atom - silver skin, powers concerning quantum radiation, ex-military officer.
Atom - guy in red/blue spandex, powers concerning growing/shrinking, brilliant research scientist (not in military).
Also The Atom usually comes out looking cool (in the comics at least) despite his size.
Captain Atom on the other hand (both in comics and in the the first JLU episode) usually ends up being punked despite being a powerhouse hero (a human nuclear reactor basically). Poor Cap, guy gets no respect.
JTMacc99
Aug 2, 2004 @ 3:58 pm
Captain Atom on the other hand (both in comics and in the the first JLU episode) usually ends up being punked despite being a powerhouse hero (a human nuclear reactor basically). Poor Cap, guy gets no respect.
Well, I actually think that's a good sign that they've kept true to the character so far. I'm also pretty impressed that at least one or two facial expressions look like they came right off of the actor doing the voice. I know that Disney does this for their movies, but I am thinking it's more of a coincidence here.
devopet
Aug 2, 2004 @ 4:18 pm
So why no Flash? I know the JL/Smallville schedule often conflicted so Micheal Rosenbaum ended up doing a lot of the voicework in a empty room, but couldn't they have at least shown him? Is he not a regular on JLU or will he make an appearance? Dammit I love my Flash.
Avery
Aug 2, 2004 @ 4:49 pm
But yes, the new theme is bad. Enterprise-level-bad. And arises out of a similar 80's-hair-band, guitar-solo-overbite, aesthetic.
I'd swear it was stolen from Queen's
Flash Gordon soundtrack.
Gnosis
Aug 2, 2004 @ 5:11 pm
Captain Atom on the other hand (both in comics and in the the first JLU episode) usually ends up being punked despite being a powerhouse hero (a human nuclear reactor basically).
So true. I can't think of any other superhero who has ever been put in critical condition after having their ass handed to them by Mary Marvel.
watchdevil
Aug 2, 2004 @ 5:38 pm
I love the new concept of more heroes. I mean, what lifelong DC fan hasn't been itching to see an animated Green Arrow? Or someone as random as Vixen? Or - be still my heart - Black Canary? Although I think the sheer number of heroes means most of them will never be featured in an episode. (Frankly, I could do without a Vibe - centric episode, so that doesn't bother me.) But it is nice to see the DCU hero community mingling. My inner geek was thrilled.
I liked this ep alright. I like headstrong Supergirl and I never liked Captain Atom in the comics, but liked him here. (Go figure...maybe it was because George Eads was his voice and I just crack up thinking about the poor guy groveling to get his CSI job back.) But I am sick to death of Green Lantern. It seems like every other episode has him front and center, humorless and bitch-bitch-bitching. Why not more Flash? Or hell, Batman? Or Superman? The past couple of seasons really have felt like "The Green Lantern and Friends" show.
I'm ready for more now...I want my Black Canary episode and I want it now!
Lantern7
Aug 2, 2004 @ 5:40 pm
Anybody's head hurting with Atom/Captain Atom? No? Then consider this: there's an Atom-Smasher in there. In comics continuity, he was the grandson of Golden Age villain Cyclotron, godson of the Atom of the Golden Age. He was orignally dubbed "Nuklon" and wore a mohawk. Alex Ross redesigned him for "Kingdom Come," and that look was adopted in JSA.
Next week's is the adaptation of Alan Moore's "For the Man Who Has Everything?", right?
It stands a decent chance of being, by default, the best adaptation of Moore's work ever.
That's not saying much, giving how bad "From Hell" and "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" were mangled.
Evian
Aug 2, 2004 @ 5:54 pm
I have to agree with everyone who HATED the new theme. Too. much. guitar. It remined me of the 90210 them song ,which also had too much guitar.
I've never read a comic book in my life and watch JL because I loved
Superfriends as a kid. I am strictly a JL television viewer, which means that my knowledge of this universe is seriously limited. Bearing that in mind, I'm finding all of these new super hero people very confusing. I've never wanted a cast to shrink so much! Part of what I enjoyed so much about Pre-Guitar Infused Justice League was that I could keep up without doing any homework. I need them to give me some back story! Who is this Green Arrow person and what is his deal? Captain Atom is made of what in the how? And they're going to introduce new people to save the world next week? Oh my gosh! Thank goodness for you guys and your super comic knowledge!
First off this huge League causes all sorts of logical problems ... Why send only 3 members to deal with the situation? They could send 20 members and still have a couple of hundred left to deal with anything else that might happen in the universe ...
Yep. That got me too. As did the one carbon rod. And the guy working the javelin runway. Heh. That's either a really crappy job for a super hero or they're not taking the whole secret identity thing too seriously any more.
mr.simpatico
Aug 2, 2004 @ 6:21 pm
But I am sick to death of Green Lantern. It seems like every other episode has him front and center, humorless and bitch-bitch-bitching. Why not more Flash? Or hell, Batman? Or Superman? The past couple of seasons really have felt like "The Green Lantern and Friends" show.
This is so true and I thought I was the only one who thought it (and the new Sisko look doesn't help either). It doesn't help that of all the Earth GLs I find John Stewart the least interesting. I would rather have Hal (who doesn't seem to exist in animated continuity) or Kyle, Alan Scott or even Guy Gardner. And whats worse is that I don't think the JLU Timm-verse any of these guys (although Kyle - looking Hal-ish - was seen briefly in Superman) will even show up. To me one of the strengths of bringing basically every DC character they can find into the fold is to come up perhaps with one winning combo or one character that will hit and could be spun-off into its own series (and we know the JLU"s life is seemingly limited by CT's
X number of episodes and gone rule).
For instance Timm said that Captain Marvel would be showing up - The Power of Shazam! would work wonderfully in animated form. Gail Simone (writer of the comic Birds of Prey) is writing a date issue that features Black Canary and Huntress (along with GA and the Question) - that could be an opportunity by WB to make up for the horrible Birds of Prey TV show with one more based on the comic. And as
Lantern7 noted, Atom Smasher (giant guy with blue mask) was seen along with most of the present-day JSA (Wildcat, Black Canary, Dr.Fate, Hourman, Star and S.T.R.I.P.E, Johnny Thunderbolt) and even Obsidian (son of the
original Green Lantern who strangely was absent). Even a Paul Dini written Zatanna (stage magician by night/super-heroine by day) could pull off her own show.They could do a JSA themed show. I really think that if the Big 7 idea is gone then should take more chances and play with these characters. The first episode seemed awfully "safe" (so to speak) and not as risky as "Starcrossed" was.
Arkham
Aug 2, 2004 @ 6:57 pm
But I am sick to death of Green Lantern. It seems like every other episode has him front and center, humorless and bitch-bitch-bitching.
GL needs to be teamed with someone who can bring out other facets of his personality (e.g., Hawkgirl) or provide a contrast to his uptight attitude (e.g., Flash). I think this will be difficult to do now because GL is part of the Justice League's upper echelon. I assume he's going to interact with the new members as a leader instead of interacting as an equal (which is part of the reason why Supergirl/GL isn't as much fun as Flash/GL). Maybe the writers should get him a new girlfriend. Are there any alien women on the JL who are older than Supergirl?
Or maybe they should get Flash a girlfriend. After all, he's already got the van.
Daisy Duke
Aug 2, 2004 @ 7:40 pm
Who is this Green Arrow person and what is his deal?
He's a grumpy ex-millionare communist WHO CARES ABOUT THE LITTLE GUY, mmkay? Oh, and gettin' as much action as possible. He's also the only guy in DC who was so busy chasing skirts that he didn't notice his sidekick was developing a heroin problem.
But I love him anyway.
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