Nope...he said "Kiss my axe." That's a groaner.

Gotta love Flash blowing up a bit of the Manor, and Alfred poking his head back up.

I hope Hawkgirl comes back. If they think she's a pariah on Thanagar, what about on Earth? "Hey, it's a winged chick. And some winged fucks tried to blow up the Earth! Let's kill her righ-oh, shit! She's yelling! RUN!"

Someone at Toonzone mentioned that the rerun will play July 31st at 7:30 EST.

At least you didn't completely forget about the special itself. Hopefully they'll split it up into 3 separate half-hour installments for future daily airings.

So, Hawkgirl's now splitsville from the League? Wow. I'm actually gonna miss her. I kinda dug her brash manner, especially when it came to odds with Diana/WW's more diplomatic manner, for instance. She went through some great character development in the two-parter where Grundy wanted to find his soul.

Hawkgirl's mask actually came off at the end of the Joker reality TV episode. GL also declared his love for her at that moment. During the Christmas episode they went to Thanagar together, so it was surprising how all this went down.

Oh yeah! I just remembered that scene with Wonder Woman and the guard. Did anyone else think that was a little risqué? I mean, the way the guy lowered that sword doooooown her body, giving us a very clear crotch shot? I was like, "Damn! No way this is a kid's show anymore!"

I loved Hawkgirl's resignation. How utterly mature of the writers to do that!

I thought the first act was very predictable. Hmmm...let's see, the Thanagarians say that they're coming in peace but maybe they're not...wow, how surprising. Hmmm...this Hro Talek guy seems like a good guy. No way he's going to betray Hawkgirl's trust.... However, except for that stuff the rest of the eps were very, very entertaining. A perfect lead off to the new JLU!

They never went to Thanagar. The complaint Hawkgirl always had before her cover story was removed was that Thanagar was too far away to reach.



Disagreed on half of that. Wonder women held a grudge and Superman would've viewed her as too unreliable despite how forgiving Earth was too him on several occasions.

The Flash simply can't hold a grudge long enough especially after all the crap Hawkgirl had to do to help them in the end. Martian Manhunter falling back on his own feelings of being without his people would sympathize with Hawkgirl and was the most level headed of the League members. Batman would never trust her but allowing her back into the JL was a nonissue for the time being after everything that has happened.

GL was the only unknown quantitiy because he was in love with her and love can make you do stupid or bizarre things. He could've rationalized that keeping her out of the league would be in Hawk Girl's interest. Afterall if she stayed with the League she wouldn't be welcomed and trusted as she was before and the League would constantly remind her of her twisted loyalties and being made an outcast to her people. Why allow her to stay near the things that will continue to give her pain and in the end this didn't mean they would be split apart. It just meant she wouldn't be working with her coworkers.


So that's Superman and Wonder Woman against her. Batman, J'onn and Wally for her. And GL being the unknown factor.


I enjoyed it all but I had some fun pigeonholing the bad leaps in logic displayed in this series finale.

"I may not know alien physiology all too well but I know a frozen liver when I see one"

Ignoring the obvious, it took only Batman to realize the bodies were dead before the attack after what must've been a day or two of deliberation on whether to trust the Thanagorians?

"I don't know how to pilot this thing but I know where I can get the information"

So with time being a considerable factor, they wait for the only Thanagorian with a bigger acting fee than the rest of them to thaw from his mishap with Superman?

"But to even destroy that thing we need to get past their force field."

[Altered] No sweat guys. All we have to do is send some of our team to the shield generator on Endor, make allies with furry fuzzy locals and take it out. Meanwhile I'll cook up a plan on the fly that involves me kamikazing my X-Wing into the uncompleted Death Star II because I don't have the Force ability to manually control my ship while I'm away from it.[/Alteration]

What architectural genious designed the shield generator to be controlled by an unshielded and seperate construct? If this is the design philosophy of the Thanagorians it's no small wonder they consider their enemy to have kick ass defenses.

Bruce Wayne is one hell of a genious to keep that space station from breaking up during its descent without any computer help. I think he started to overheat due to the pentium implanted in his brain being overloaded with work.

"We are the leaders of the world and we have never encountered the Thanagorians before. Since we've been invaded countless times we'll never consider asking Superman to ask the well travelled aliens who defended us from the forces of Apocolypse or ask Green Lantern to make an inquery with the GL corp about the Thanagorians or their alien adversaries.

We are the leaders of the world. There hasn't been an alien invasion we couldn't stop without the help of the Justice League so we'll allow them to help the Thanagorians start construction on the Death Star II and create a secret task force that will only act if the Justice League is successfully ambushed. "

"Commander! We have tracked down the rebel."

"Excellent send my squadran to recapture them."

"Which should that be sir?"

"Don't send the strike team designed to fight the Justice League. Send our B-group led by that asshat who seems to have more thoughts about me and my beloved than any Thanagorian should have?"

"At once sir. It's good to know High command entrusted you who will do everything in your power to not jeopordize our mission against our most hated foe."

"Ofcourse I won't because I'm leader of this operation and I don't have feelings that will jeopardize our mission."

"Our substandard strike team has been sent."

"If by any chance sir our strike team fails and the rebels mount a counter attack maybe we should post more guards around the generator."

"If the Lantern isn't among them post as many guards as you like. If he is there I'll personally guard it because I'm all that's needed."

What made this even funnier was that he was all that was needed to do the job.

There were a couple more but these alone were good enough to keep me amused.

OK I just now watched this on tape. DAMN! That was really worth the wait. Actually I'm glad we didn't have to wait until July...but still. I was totally un-spoiled by this, so when Hawkgirl knocked GL down I was stunned. What a betraying bitch! She did come through in the end...but by then the damage was done. Excellent.
Looking forward to Justice League Unlimited.
ETA I loved how Batman knew everybodys secret Identities.

Now I'm wishing I had taped this. I can't believe I missed that. Now I'll have to wait till July to see it again.

Not trying to start an argument, but I thought would make a few points..

[QUOTE] "I may not know alien physiology all too well but I know a frozen liver when I see one"[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE] Ignoring the obvious, it took only Batman to realize the bodies were dead before the attack after what must've been a day or two of deliberation on whether to trust the Thanagorians?[/QUOTE]

Knowing Batman, he may been the only one to get access to the alien bodies. The Governments probably had to go through a lot of legal and political procedures to get access to them, which would have taken some time. But Batman tends to (ahem) "ignore" those procedural things.

[QUOTE] "I don't know how to pilot this thing but I know where I can get the information"[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE] So with time being a considerable factor, they wait for the only Thanagorian with a bigger acting fee than the rest of them to thaw from his mishap with Superman?[QUOTE]

Well there was no guarantee that any of the lower Thangarian peons knew how to pilot the craft. But it was a pretty sure bet that their commander did. Plus the fact the League knocked hell out of most of the peons, so they probably had head trauma. But the commander only got frozen. Superman could have easily used his heat-vision to thaw him out quickly.

[QUOTE] "But to even destroy that thing we need to get past their force field."[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE] What architectural genious designed the shield generator to be controlled by an unshielded and seperate construct? If this is the design philosophy of the Thanagorians it's no small wonder they consider their enemy to have kick ass defenses.[QUOTE]

Okay, I'll give you that one only because it was so funny. :D

[QUOTE] Bruce Wayne is one hell of a genious to keep that space station from breaking up during its descent without any computer help. I think he started to overheat due to the pentium implanted in his brain being overloaded with work.[/QUOTE]

Batman's physical stamina is legendary. People sometimes wonder if he really isn't superhuman after all.

[QUOTE] "We are the leaders of the world and we have never encountered the Thanagorians before. Since we've been invaded countless times we'll never consider asking Superman to ask the well travelled aliens who defended us from the forces of Apocolypse or ask Green Lantern to make an inquery with the GL corp about the Thanagorians or their alien adversaries.[/QUOTE]

Dumb moves by the world leaders, but remember that the military leaders were very reluctant to trust the Thangarians. So it wasn’t a clean sweep across the board to trust them.

[QUOTE] "Commander! We have tracked down the rebel."

"Our substandard strike team has been sent."[/QUOTE]

I thought they did send their special strike team? I noticed that one of them had the the 'yellow light' gun, and was about to fire it at Green Lantern until Batman took him out. If that guy was there, then I'm fairly sure someone else probably had the Kryptonite gun, but got taken out too. The League already got their asses punk'd once, so I highly doubt they would let themselves get taken out so easily the second time.

[QUOTE] "If by any chance sir our strike team fails and the rebels mount a counter attack maybe we should post more guards around the generator."

"If the Lantern isn't among them post as many guards as you like. If he is there I'll personally guard it because I'm all that's needed."[/QUOTE]

Throughout the episode, we saw how arrogant and egotistical the Thangarians were. That combined with their contempt for the "primitive" Earthers, they really never saw the League as major threat to their plans until it was too late.

[QUOTE] What made this even funnier was that he was all that was needed to do the job.[/QUOTE]

True, if it wasn't for Hawkgirl's timely arrival, John would have been very dead. But then she foolishly dropped her guard and got taken out too. But even if Big-Buff-Hawkguy had succeeded in killing both Green Lantern and Hawkgirl, I doubt he would have beaten the very pissed-off Wonder Woman who arrived a short time later.

There were a couple more but these alone were good enough to keep me amused.

I agree there were a few plot holes, but I believe most could be dissmissed. I thought it was a pretty well written episode.

Hmm. Does anyone know why the 'quote' function isn't working??

To agree with everyone else, that was f'n great.

The Good: Most of it.

The traitor storyline played out very well.

The fact that everyone didn't instantly forgive Hawk Girl at the end was very believable.

I felt really bad for GL through the whole episode. Poor guy.

I've never really been a big fan of the Batman/WW 'ship, but I liked it in this episode.

The scene where Flash and GL need to get on the train worked pretty well (sort of a Great Escape shout out?) Though it would've worked better (in terms of believability) if the people behind them in line looked a little more like them. And it was nice to see confirmation that Supes isn't all muscle ... Heck, that was almost clever.

The Flash is still my favorite, even if he's much nicer and more forgiving than I would ever be in the same situation.

Hawk Girl having the mask off at the end was sort of unfair. She's too darn pretty to stay mad at her.

The Bad (aka nitpicks): Alfred, you were a soldier. Remember the Batman: TAS episode where Alfred was a former member of HMS and he got drugged by the villain (Red Claw?) to reveal the launch code for a bunch of England destroying missiles that Bats had to stop?

When Bats locked MM and Flash in the escape pod ... Was I the only one thinking, "Hey, J'onn -- Phase Through!"

And it would've been neat if some of the Super Villains had joined the fight against the Hawk Men. Or if some of the Green Lantern Corps had shown up to help out.

The Ugly: That damn Megas: XXXL210XKLLLL Logo that kept popping up in the bottom corner of the screen complete with amazingly loud and long robot sound effects that downed out the dialog. The logo itself would be fine, but why the damn noises CN? Why?

Yes! That was very irritating!!

A few more comments:

They apparently forgot they had a kryptonite gun and other anti-JL weapons when they went after them at Wayne manor.
Considering how recognizable Bruce Wayne is, he'll have to go chat with the restaurant owner about not blowing his secret ID.
GL really needs to learn to not turn his back on his enemies.
They actually showed the ladies being hit by guys. That's highly unusual.
Batman sure did come off as the leader of the league. Not bad for an "unofficial" member.

Actually, I saw one of them with the Yellow Light gun. He was about to shoot Green Lantern with it until Batman took him out. Presumably the guy with the Kryptonite gun was taken out off-camera.

I thought that at first too, until I realized that even if he had, there was nothing he could do. The escape pod had already been sealed and sent off, so there was no way to get Batman out of there. J'onn can't phase other people like Shadowcat can, so he couldn't transport Batman to the escape pod that way, assuming Batman would actually survive the trip through space without any kind of protective suit. Plus, I doubt Batman would even let J'onn try to remove him, and he probably realized that Batman was right, and it was necessary for him to stay.

I absolutely loved the finale plotholes and all. The Justice League did not now nor has it in the past pulled any punches. This cartoon has some of the most fascinating subtle commentary on culture and politics since the Daily Show. My personal favorites include:

1) The interracial relationship of GL and HG. Assumingly subtle because she's a different species and he...well he's a superhero.

2) Batman and WW's escape by posing as a couple in a Middle Eastern restaurant. That was perfection!!!

3) Thanagarians using fear of the unknowable to rally the humans and keep the masses in line.

4) My personal favorite, the Thanagarian on the TV saying paraphrased "The best way we can help you is for you to do what we say."

These writers are fantastic, poetic, brilliant. They have had alot of substanitive episodes this season and this finale IMO was great!!!

Wow...so much brilliance. I can't really think of anything snarky to say about it. The whole thing had me glued to my seat for the entire episode. A minimum of channel-flipping during the commercials.

And a big old YEAH to "Clark Kent...Wally West...Bruce Wayne". I was especially amused by how Green Lantern and The Flash were saved not by Superman, but by Clark Kent. Excellent use of the Secret ID's for everyone. Interesting development of the Wonder Woman/Batman attraction, though I think he was being a bit more Bruce than Bats with the "Don't be" line after she apologized for kissing him.

Add to the list of those who know the Bruce/Batman connection....the government of Thanagar, if they ever choose to follow up. Not that the last few minutes indicated that they had any further interest in pursuing the matter.

I think that the battle in the Batcave may be one of my favorite conflicts in the entire series. "Tails! I win!"

Hope the Guardians gave GL a warranty along with the ring....

That movie was a thing of beauty. Loved the Supes/WW/GL battle against the hawks near the end. Had the really epic scope worthy of a feature. Cartoons have learned a lot from the movies how to properly stage scenes like that. I'd like to have seen Hawkgirl stay, and watched the lingering suspicions and resentments about her develop. She never did have much of a storyline, except that she was a standard operational fierce warrior, but WW eclipsed her that role in the mix.

Looking forward to the new season. With Green Arrow showing up I can only hope for a newly refurbished Black Canary, too.

So long, Shayera. You were my favorite and I'll miss you.

I wasn't that impressed with the movie on a big scale, simply because it followed too closely the same kind of formula we've seen so often before: JL fight bad guys, get beat and captured. They escape and fight the same bad guys but win this time. The only difference in this ep was that HG was supposed to be a wild card, though we all knew she'd do the right thing by the end.

It was the details that made this a great 3 eps/movie. Everyone's already mentioned most of them, so I won't repeat.

Looking forward to JLU, but less so without Hawkgirl around. I just hope she makes a return appearance at some point.

Upon reflection, I do have one little persnickety thing bouncing around my head.

In the Superman animated series, he was brainwashed by Darkseid into attacking the Earth. After he recovered, it's implied that it took quite a while before people started trusting him again.

However, when they were trying to decide whether Hawkgirl would stay or go, he was the one who pulled out "How can we ever trust her again?"

I understand that these were completely different circumstances, but I would think that he would phrase it in a way that wouldn't be so reminiscent of his own troubled history.

Yes but Superman was infact brainwashed. Hawkgirl was not. She knew full well what she was doing the whole time she was spying on Earth for five years. And I think that's what's sticking in the craw of some of the members, despite the fact that Hawkgirl did the right thing in the end.

Well, yeah, like I said, there were differences. Still, one would expect maybe a touch more compassion. He was brainwashed intensively for a rather short while. She was brainwashed subtly by her society throughout the course of her life, and still did the right thing at the end.

I forgot to mention that. Hol bitchslapping HG took me way off guard.



That was absolutely brilliant.

THANAGARIAN ASSHAT: We're looking for a man and woman with dark hair.
RESTAURANT OWNER: Could you be a little more specific?

My very first post here at TWOP!

I have to say I loved Starcrossed and nothing bother me except the Megas promos, grrr.

I think the writers did a wonderful job showing HG betryal and I'm still soemwhat mad at her, too.

Aint that the truth. HG is just so pretty. Even when WW is glaring at her from outside the cell, Shayera beauty is absolute.

The scenes that stuck a cord with me:
1)GL/HG little upside down kiss and their talk(interuptted by the Megas promo, grrr) about chiness food near his apt. Oh, yeah.

2) I was taken by the sucker-punch of GL by HG

3) The leader Hawkman picking HG up by the hair and throwing her to the ground, rather harshly.

4)Wonder Woman telling HG she should let her burn. The entire League about to descend on HG in the batcave.

5)The 1st fight of the JL vs, The Thanagarians and how quickly it was over because their secrets were reveal.

6) The ending. Oh the ending was so sweet but very, very sad. I don't know how GL will recover. Not to mention the whole vote. I'll guess that even GL will foresake his heart and go with what's in the JL best interest.

So many more and I still can't stopped gushing about how great Starcrossed was!

The JLU preview I sorta liked. I still don't want all these guest-stars or heroes. I thought the John Stewart that was shown had a beard and was either bald or had his hair short? I didn't notice any long hair.

Anyways it was kinda cool.

The bit I enjoyed most was Wally's smartass remark to Alfred: "Hey, Jeeves! Did you come with the place, or does 'Master Bruce' rent you for parties?"

LOL "THANAGARIAN ASSHAT." I wonder if that Restaurant owner or any of the other crowd folk recognized Bruce Wayne?

But that doesn't make sense. If the Thanagorians allowed the ship to be disposed of by the US then they would've done an autopsy and learned immediately that the bodies were frozen. They wouldn't have needed Batman for that at all. Since the Thanagorians were still under a cover story they would've been hard pressed to not allow the Earthers (who already distrusted them on some level) to take apart the ship.

If the Thanagorians decided they would do the clean up job and managed to get around the social problems of doing so the first thing they would've done was destroy the bodies. They planned everything with back up plans. They weren't going to allow a body to go missing.


But here's the rub. Superman had already left. Sure they could've called him back but with time being a considerable factor they wouldn't have wanted to call him back when they had several bodies to investigate.


Actually I was wrong. I rewatched it and it turns out they did send their special JL strike team. But their energy weapon against GL wasn't their guns but a shield that absorbs his Lantern energy converts it into yellow energy and redirects it.


You misinterpretted that. I was just pointing out how Talok(?) allowed his emotions to get the better of him when it came to GL.


I did dismiss them but it added more to the entertainment factor. I haven't mst3ked a movie this well since that tour de force Jurassic Park 3.

Please use quote tags when quoting

They are in the Bat-cave, Batman should have some sort of 'thawing' device to deal with Mr. Freeze's Ice ray. I'm pretty sure that we've seen him use a 'bacta tank' like setup in the past.

Does anyone know when this is going to air again? I missed it. The boyfriend and I thought it came on much later than it did.

I know it sucks, but sometimes you just have to go "Well, he's Batman." and that's your explanation.

I believe July 31st. I think the DVD comes out either then or shortly before then. Anyone know the DVD release date?

Hell, I've got a better question

How did a whole body survive intact after the ship got that hole blown through it and smashing into the ground. I mean bodies don't look near as pretty as that thing did openned up in a plane crash (remember Value Jet?).

And yes I think it needs to be said. How does Batman know the characteristics of a nonterran postmortem frozen liver. Maybe the aliens live in a cold environment or flash freeze themselves near death for easier ressurection.

Or as Powers put it I've got 3 PhDs in every scientific disciplines and I can't give even give time of death. How do I know blood does that after how many hours, I can't. How do I cut this person open without damaging the goods inside and ectera.

Lord I hate when Batman knows EVERYTHING, especially when they have no reason for him to. They could've brought in Leslie Tompkins, someone from STAR Labs, or J'onn and maybe not even changed the audio. Gawds this is annoying.

Why why why WHY didn't the military or UN investigate the crash.

Its a blink and you'll miss it moments but the crux of alot. Especially as it makes Batman as at fault as HG because all he needed to do was notify his findings to the league OR the UN and they would've at least stopped speed constructing the dang thing

I'd imagine that a huge interstellar war ship would have much better armor than your average 747.


Comic book rule #1, governments, police, and militaries are either evil or inept. Hence the need for super people to save us.


Not that I disagree, but being the smart one who figures stuff out is pretty much all Batman has over the rest of the League. Take that away and he'll end up standing around in the background most of the time.


Isn't Batman radioing the League and giving them the 4-1-1 what caused the first Thanagarian/JL fight to break out?

Instead of wasting precious hours sneeaking onto the ship and letting the Thanagarians gain precious hostages Batman shoulda radioed the UN and JLA

"The livers are frozen and HG is psion proof"

Construction would if not halt then be slowed down to Thanagarian only work force without local assistance. But Batman just HAD to dissect that body in private sit on the info to personally go snooping.

I don't think the government was particularly inept (they did make sure to keep surveillance and have strike team on hand) just at this one point, though a natural outgrowth of of their proposed position, they became suspicously lazy and dumb.

Plus the whole Batman has sources that tip him off to an alien invasion.

Thankfully that was worst of the uberbat's uberness. Wonderwoman broke them out. And his place was found out and compromised by the badguys and Hawkgirl (pretty believably even if she didn't know about Wayne Manor I think she has been to the batcave before if only the alternate in A better world). Its not *that* big a deal he knew Wally's ID. since his was the only one he had to figure out.

I'm not going to nitpick Starcrossed just because for me, there were few nits to pick. All of you have already mentioned the best moments and lines already, and I actually re-watched it last night just because.

It's nice to know that I wasn't the only person who sniffled at the end. Big, major props to the voice actors of JL, especially Phil LaMarr and Maria Canals as GL and HG. Although I can't wait to see the superhero guest stars next season, I was kinda sad to see HG go. I'm assuming we'll see her again at some point but still, she was an OG member of the League. Farewell, Shayara.

I've never really watched a whole episode of this show before, but my little brother implored me to watch the finale with him, and I must say that I loved it. I had a lump in my throat at the end; I'm sure I would've been bawling if I had known the show or the characters. I fully expected Hawk Girl to be allowed back into the league, then when she resigned, I expected John to talk her into coming back... not so. And when HG smacked GL with the mace, I must confess I jumped. Most of my favorite parts have been mentioned (BM and WW posing in the restaurant included).



I know! At first I thought he was going to slice her costume in two down her body... my eyebrows were nearly in my hair.

Two more things to add...

On the issue of the secret identity reveal, shouldn't the rest of the league (sans HG) have already guessed Batman's? They ended up there in the Justice Lords episode, and presumably it was in the same place. Seeing Wayne Manor above it should have made things very clear to them.

Oh, and the league should have put on glasses when they were walking around incognito. It's been shown that a person becomes unrecognizable with glasses on, so it would have made their disguises even better.

I thought it was wonderful. The Thanagarians came across as brutal and frightening and I loved the can of whup ass that the League unleashed on them.

Someone had asked a few pages back when the Justice League Unlimited starts, so far the air date is August 7th but Cartoon Network shifts stuff around so that could change.

I think people tend to forget though that among Batman's various nicknames is "World's Greatest Detective". He's supposed to figure things out.

And also remember this:

"Homer, I brought someone who can help"

"Is it Batman?"

"It's a scientist"

"Batman's a scientist!"

-The Simpsons

If anything, they underplay his knowledge and abilities of deduction slightly.

Speaking of which, when did Batman figure out who The Flash was? Did I miss that episode?

I haven't yet seen Starcrossed, but as I was reading the thread yesterday, a strange thought occured to me. In the episode Only A Dream with Dr. Destiny trapping the League in their own worst nightmares, we (or at least I) assumed that HG's fear was claustrophobia. But with the revelations in Starcrossed, it's more possible that her greatest fear was being discovered. Which would also explain why the League had difficulty getting into her dream.

Aghghghhgg!

My boyfriend deleted the second part of 'Starcrossed' from the TiVo. Is there anyone out there who has a copy that I can get ahold of? I'm willing to shell out for tape costs and shipping if that's any help.

The last thing I saw was Hawkgirl smacking GL with a mace! That is NO place to end, let me tell you!

That said, what I -did- get to see was great. I really, really missed this show during it's latest long hiatus. The second season was just so much better in terms of character development and portrayal. SO much better. They need to release this all on DVD so I can watch it over and over again. :)

"It's NOT Batman!"

Sorry. I had to finish that.

SVNBob - That's a good point. One of the shows producers (I think Rich Fogle?) was saying that they had this planned out since the series debut.

Fully understood. I'm that way with the show myself.



And now I'm wishing I'd had a workable VCR when it first started airing. I'd love to comb for hints to see how and if they portrayed this (other than the telepathy thing).

From a few pages back:

I was thinking the same thing when I watched. I figure that the majority of info that HG sent had to do with keeping the SVs in captavity. Besides, how many of the SVs would have actually helped? Grundy would have but he's dead, Cheeta might have but there's not much she could do, Shade would just hide, and the others were probably in jail or hiding.

As for the people in that restaurant knowing who Batman is, I don't think that they knew he was Batman. I don't remember anyone mentioning it. All that happened was a man and a woman resisting the Hawkpeople.

I was actually wishing that we'd seen other superheroes fighting back against the Thanagarians. It could have been a little preview of sorts for the new series.



That's what I thought, too, but then I got to thinking about it some more. Diana is a pretty famous person, isn't she? She was recognized in Paris while out of costume, IIRC. I don't remember, but is she an ambassador to "Man's World" in the cartoon like she was in the comics? If so, I would imagine her face has been plastered across the media and she would be fairly recognizable.

And Bruce Wayne, of course, is one of the richest men in the DC USA. Most people, especially those living in a big city like New York, Gotham or Washington DC (I don't know what city this scene was set in) would probably recognize him like we would recognize Donald Trump or Bill Gates.

Knowing Wally, he probably registered that van under his own name. (You remember the van, right?)


Maybe, but I wouldn't have recognized the head of Ford if he didn't start making those stupid commercials. Or the head of Boeing, or Lockheed, or Intel, or... Some rich guys are famous, but most aren't, I think.

Lois Lane didn't seem to know what Bruce looked like before she met him in World's Finest. I thought that the asshole Thanagarian second in command voiced by Hector Elizondo was a character similar to Martin Landau's in North by Northwest

I agree with most of the comments about Starcrossed. I liked the characterization, the one-liners (except for "kiss my axe"), the subtle political commentary, and the various details that people have mentioned. I thought the ending was pitch perfect and this was a fine way to end the season.

I also agree that the first act was predictable and that the plot required heavy duty fanwanking. But I'm used to Batman pulling answers out of his ass, Hawkgirl mentioned that the Green Lantern Corps were unfamiliar with Thanagar earlier in the series (I find that hard to believe, but this problem predates the finale and would be an issue even if Hawkgirl wasn't a spy), and I don't think anything in Starcrossed was as absurd as GL creating a runway for Flash so he could dash to the Sun.

I wonder if Hawkgirl told the Thanagarians about Atlantis or the island of the Amazons. If she did then she'd better hide because Aquaman and WW will hunt her down.

I pretty much agree with the comments on Starcrossed being a kick ass episode. The best part I noticed at the was when the JL voted on whether to
kick HG out. That scence was similar to the JLA "Tower of Babel" storyline in the comics. In it, Batman had gather files on the teams' weaknessess and RA' Al Ghul used the files to torture the JL. In the end, Batman left the team knowing that they were going to kick him off the team.

Not to mention, he can't rely on pure strength to get him out of situations. He has to plan ahead, look for weaknesses, and get the job done quickly, where someone like Superman or the Flash can dash in and have a decent chance in most situations.