That seems highly unlikely. There were plans for a DTV that would fill in the gap between JL and JLU. It would have had the crime syndicate and also would have explained the invisible jet, but those plans have fallen into the circular file, as far as I know. Any DTV would have to involve Superman and/or Batman, and probably WW as well, especially with that movie in development. The only chance for GA/BC is if there is a massive spike in their popularity. The thing to keep in mind is that Warner is out to capitalize on characters with mass appeal, and most of the JLU heroes don't fit that description.

Well, he was in some kind of stasis during the trip, clearly. Frankly, under any explanation, you don't want to look too closely at the actions of Jor-El. Whether he's packing his newborn son, his pregnant wife, or a test tube to which he has already become attached into a rocket, shooting it randomly (or, sometimes, with a fairly arbitrary destination) into space seems like an odd thing to do.

Which allowed for one of my favorite Superman stories, in the Armegeddon 2001 multi comic arc, Superman became POTUS. It was a great read. It and the one where Superman left Earth after Lois died with Superman's baby.

More a Star Trek vet than a Whedon vet. He spent a LOT more time as Quark than Snyder.

I really wish they'd made Teen Titans part of this universe, AND not given it shitty animation. It AND The Batman are animated abortions.

So, what exactly happened with the whole baby in the rocket thing, in continuity? I vaguely remember in the animated series that the rocket was a sort of backup plan Jerrel(Smallville joke) had in place just in case he couldn't convince the kryptonian bigwigs about the whole "world is about to end" thing, but what happens in the comics? Did Jor-el just one day notice some instruments indicating the end of the world, then pack his kid up in a rocket experiment he had lying around and then shot him off to earth? Or is the story usually that Jor-el had foreknowledge of the end of the world and that he had time to plan everything out?

I prefer to think of him as a Charmed vet. (Just kidding).

Seriously, other than Shimerman, Dorn, and Combs have any other Star Trek alums done voice work on JLU?

Rene Auberjonois (aka Odo) has done the voices of DeSaad, General Steppenwolf, Kanjar-Ro, and Galius on Justice League, as well as Dr. March in B:TAS.

What's funny is that he also did DeSaad back on the original Superfriends almost 30 years ago, so he's been doing DC voices for a looooong time.

Even if it involved de-aging Dick Grayson? I would've been okay with a Tim Drake-helmed Titans. In fact, that's what I assumed Teen Titans was until about two days ago.

Really? That's neat! I've always enjoyed his work, it's nice to know that he has been active for so long. (SF was on 30 some years ago? *splutter*)

Is the song at the end of JLU the original theme song from JL? It sounds like it to me, but then I'm often wrong about these things.

Actually the DeSaad epsodes were part of the Super Powers show. Not the battle of the Superfriends from the 60's/70's.

Christ. They really fucked that show up. I thought it was Drake all this time. Of course I think the show's dogshit anyway because of the animation.

Teen Titans just isn't in the same continuity as JLU anyway, and there's not a whole lot of point trying to shoehorn it in any more than in trying to shoehorn "The Batman" into JLU continuity.

It really doesn't matter which Robin it is in TT, because it's very clear TT is not going to do anything except allude to secret id's or any of the associated adult heroes.

Consider that in B:TAS they gave Jason Todd's backstory to Tim anyway, so the "Tim" folks are hoping to see is already a different character from the one in the comics. And the costume and staff-and-slingshot weapon preference we say on Dick Greyson in B:TAS were really introduced in the comics with Tim. There's a lot of muddiness between the Robins as it is.

Well by that point the animation started to suffer, it was almost like someone new had taken over. Unfortunately instead of stepping Superman: TAS up to Batman levels, everyone sunk to the new low.

That being said, JL has a pretty good animation style. Though I'm very curious as to how they have (or will) handle Hal Jordan.

See for yourself

Which ep is he appearing in?

That was a quick Hal appearance in "Once and Future Thing - Part 2". Due to disruptions in the space-time continuity (or some such thing) John Stewart is briefly replaced by Hal Jordon.

Is there a rumor going around that there will be another Hal Jordon appearance next season? Speaking of which, does anyone have any clue as to when the next season will premiere?

Which is kind of funny. Since John replaced Hal. Or really John replaced Guy Gardner who was Hal's replacement. So John was Mr. Third String.

Still it's kind of sad that the Greatest GL (except I am more of a fan of Kyle Rayner) is a footnote on the show. Be nice if they went the Parallax route.

Didn't Hal also show up anouther time? I could swear he made a brief appearance while MM was talking to the people who create the Green Lanterns.

IIRC, John was always the replacement, because Guy had been incapacitated (coma, I believe) while rescuing a busload of schoolkids.

Guy later became a GL during Crisis when a splinter faction of Guardians gave him a ring.

Well John was the replacement because Guy got incapacitated, but he wasn't originally slotted to be the replacement. He was still the emergency quarterback.

No, that was Kyle, in "The Return". It was implied, essentially, that for a while John was doing the Lantern thing out in deep space, and Kyle was on Earth (thus he was the Green Lantern in the S:TAS episode "In Brightest Day".) Sometime between that and the first episode of Justice League, the Oans sent John back to Earth and brought Kyle into space. At the beginning of "The Return", J'onn is trying to convince the Oans to swap John & Kyle again.

Because John wants to go back to deep space, not because J'onn is looking to get rid of him.

I prefer Kyle over any of the other GLs anyway. I'd love to see him on here.

And some of the outsiders, too! But as Speedy showed up on Titans, I assume Arsenal isn't going to be ariving any time soon.

Well, he did show up in an episode of Duck Dodgers...

I'm dying to know how Brainiac did it. Where is the real Lex? I really like how Wheeler and Batman interact. What is with Brianiac calling Wheeler a cow? Is he anti-Bovian?

Daaaaaaayyymmn. One helluva episode all around, complete with the ultimate Luthor/Brianiac team-up (with apologies to Alan Moore). Sure, it felt like another round of "Sorry, do I know you?" And yeah, no sane group of superhumans would have the friggin' Creeper on their side (who's next? Ambush Bug?). But this was a great episode.

Batman...no, Bruce. Tell the founders what you really feel about turning themselves in. Bats gets to be self-righteous, and Flash jokes about the Batmobile losing a wheel.

Galtea/Power Girl...such a bitch. Getting flash fried is too good for her. And calling Dr. Hamiltion "Daddy"? Brrrrr. Still holding out hope that the cloning plot device yields us a Superboy.

Huh...some random guy got lines this week. In case you're wondering, that's Pat Dugan, and the armored suit is S.T.R.I.P.E. Dunno what it stands for, though. Assist of the night? It's either Capt. Atom regaining his conscienous and taking out some Ultimen, or a half-dead Question wielding the Bedpan of Justice.

Batman does set the tone for being the ultimate bad ass...or maybe that goes to Luthor. Sure, Bats can stare down Waller and Luthor, not to mention smack Elliing aside like the punk that he is...but Luthor's got a pair on him. Or he did, before Brianiac took him over. Did not see that coming.

ETA: Lights come on. "Yeeeeeeaaaa!" Lights go out. "AAAAwwwwww!" Nice touch, Dwayne.

This ep. confirms it.

I loved having Steel give the corny they're-the-greatest speech, because for Steel that works.

Was that Star-Spangled Girl with the trident-thingy?

Could Galatea have pulled Supergirl's tiny tee up any higher? That's not right. That's very not right.

Who is Batman counting as the other one of the three smartest people in the world who was in the JLU? I'm assuming he's counting himself as one, the sulking bastard.

I think the people would be Ray Palmer and Steel. Definitely Steel, but I'm going ahead and throwing in Ray as well.

ETA -- I think Batman said there were only three people in the entire world smart enough to trigger the beam remotely, not in the JLU. Two of those people are JLU, but the other one is Luthor, I suppose. Or Luthor/Brainiac. Jeepers. I sure didn't expect THAT twist at all!

I'm not positive he was referring to himself since he said 2 of them were on the Watchtower. Batman wasn't on the Watchtower when the fusion cannon activated. He was probably talking about Ray Palmer. (The Atom) and John Henry Irons. (Steel)

By the way, I miss Michael Dorn as Steel. I don't understand why he doesn't do Steel's voice again because he came back and did Kalibak's voice.



Yeah, Batman gets to be self-righteous and nobody says anything, but when Superman does it, he gets called a dick.

I loved the banter between Batman and Waller and then Batman and Luthor.

The scene with the Galatea and Professor Hamilton was oddly "sweet". The look of shock on Hamilton's face when she called him daddy was amusing. I bet that will shake Hamilton out of his blind stupidity and make him realize what Cadmus is doing is wrong.

The battle between Power Girl and Supergirl rocked! It was raw and visceral. Power Girl appeared to be more powerful, so Supergirl had to totally go medieval on her ass to beat her. Great fight.

The ending didn't totally surprise me. Now we know why Luthor was so super-strong. And here I was thinking Dwayne ripped out a page from a Smallville script. :P

When was the last time we saw Brainiac? When he was working with Darkseid?

Batman's kind of supposed to be iconoclastic/unpleasant, though. And ran true to form in this episode.

He wasn't leaving Superman in the dust for self-righteousness either. Superman gets to decide "what we're going to do" while other original members aren't even there?

I like that the Huntress had been by Q's bedside.

I would have liked to see Michael Dorn as Steel too.

At first, I thought it was The Big Guy (of "Rusty the Boy Robot and..."), but then I decided that probably wouldn't make a lot of sense. Plus, the Big Guy didn't have a person inside him.

Loved seeing the low-powered guys like Wildcat take out a whole pile of Apache Chiefs. Or, um, whatever he's called. The self-enlarging Native American.

I think it was because of her enormous girth.

Thanks Lantern. I only saw him for a split second but I knew he looked familiar.

I laughed at that part. I liked how Supergirl kept working the clone angle. Too bad she couldn't have done it sooner.

[Off-topic] Yes, he did. Rusty was sad when he found out that the Big Guy wasn't really a robot, just a big suit with a human guy inside [/Off-topic]

What are S.T.R.I.P.E.'s powers? Is he as cool as Steel and Rocket Red or more of a low-level mecha dude?

I supposed I'm the only one who found that underwhelming? It's sad to see a show that was so great for the first two seasons devolve into this. Government conspiracies and cheap twist endings. This seemed to almost solely exist as an excuse to throw out as many DC characters as possible. Meh.

They said New Mexico! More than once! (we're that big space between Texas and Arizona where all the weather people stand) Always appreciate the notice, thanks!

I loved seeing Waller take out the new Amazo-Luthor suit. I think she could take down Luthor if she wanted, but she had her back up all ready to go.

I prefer the old look of Brainiac, the cold green triangle shaped face one. Just my preference.

and Joker got away! I lost my shit at that line.

Gotta give credit to Bats... it was a dumb idea...(I thought they would dismantle the tower and go away...not to give themselves to Jail and the very government who considers them guilty)

whoa... Galatea's big hoohas sure were... ahem... distracting... and she kept pulling off Supergirl's t-shirt.

Question... where was the original Chief Apache? and were those two twins the updated version of Zan and Jayna? (The Galactic Twins from the classic SuperFriends?)

What made no sense... why is Brainiac so hot for Amazo's Body, if it can be destroyed easily with the nano destructo gun???

The nanotech that makes up Amazo is evolving, Lexo would only have to be nanotech for a little while in order to evolve beyond the nanotech destroying guns ability to kill him.

Between Batman and Superman, the former, in spite of being less of a team player, is the more collected of the two, owing to his more cerebral approach. Pride issue or not, I'd say he knew it would be much more fruitful for him to go by his own approach instead of sitting it out with the others, and he was right.

Yes, but she is called Stargirl now, and she is armed with the cosmic rod created by the original Starman and wielded by his son, another previous Starman (neither of whom are the yellow-and-red clad Starman in the cartoon).



Some of the Super Friends characters were created by Hanna-Barbara for the cartoon and were never DC Comics characters beforehand. Those included the Wonder Twins (Zan and Jayna and their space monkey Gleek), Marvin, Wendy, Wonderdog, Black Vulcan, Samurai, and Apache Chief. The JLU producers created analogues of some of those characters for the episode "Ultimatum," since they didn't have the rights to those Hanna-Barbara originals. Thus, Samurai became Wind Dragon, Apache Chief became Longshadow, Black Vulcan became Juice, and Zan and Jayna were called... something-or-other and Shifter.

I think the question, bigbadvoodoolou, referred to the original Longshadow from "Ultimatum", as in... why wasn't he defending the Watchtower with the rest of the JLU? I suppose he could be dead by then; wasn't he on some kind of genetic "timer"?

That's Superbolt!

I'm a late commer to this series (I've got Marvel connections), but damn it's good. They acually manage to do something with Superman besides make him the wooden stick up the ass characature he was. And he actualy gets his ass kicked on occasion.

YTV showed a couple eps of the old super friends show this morning (at one or two AM) and it's raised my appreciation of JL a lot. You never know how good something is until you've seen something a lot worse.

The good:

The stuff people have mentioned already, partiuclarly Galtea calling Dr. Hamilton "Daddy," the reactions to the lights going on and off, Waller's interaction with Batman and Luthor, the visceral nature of the Supergirl/Galatea fight, and the "Bedpan of Justice."

Batman excelled at his areas of expertise (detective work, staring people down, smacking around humans) but got his ass kicked when he tried to fight someone with super strength.

I like the way the show handled the Justice League's appearance at the end. First, Batman's rescue sets up their appearance. Then Amanda Waller, not the League, bursts into the room. Then the League shows up.

The meh:

Last week's appearance of Galtea and the Ultimen made sense, considering what previous episodes had revealed about Cadmus. This week's appearance of Brainiac seemed to come out of nowhere.

I have to agree with Vermicious Knid that it seemed like they were trying to cram as many DC characters as possible into this episode. Based on the ending, I hope that the next episode will concentrate on the core seven.

No, you're not alone but for me I acknowledge that I'm not the target demographic and chalk it up to that. I've never been a comic book fan and I don't care about all the new characters added to the original Justice League. It is almost as if being a superhero is a commodity which in a sense could be saying we are all superheroes in our own way but mostly it says let's toss in a whole bunch of characters in so that everyone gets a chance to see his or her favorite.

I did enjoy Batman's scenes. I've missed Batman and think we need a lot more of him. I was so glad to hear his lines about that stupid let's turn ourselves in plan. Wonder Woman swooping in to save him at the last minute was predictable but fun to see.

The core members turning themselves in was a public relations move. Luthor had done a hell of a job ruining the League's reputation. The public was fearful of them. (And rightfully so) By turning themselves in and submitting to an investigation was the League's way of showing the public that they don't consider themselves above the law.

Batman has always been more of a rogue than the other members. He can and has occasionally skirted the boundaries of the law as a means to an end. That's why he didn't want to go along with the others plan.

I agree: although I'm sure that in the show most consider the original 7 to be equals it's pretty clear that Batman and Superman have a greater authority than the rest, to the point where they seem to be the only ones to really give each other any crap. It's also not quite clear who caught Batman: the forearm was white and bare, leaving only Shayera, but it also looked like a male hand. Oh well.

One more thing: GL, you probably should have brought up the orbiting weapon dilemna before you built the thing in the first place. I think the others would have listened.



He only had a short time to live, so it's safe to assume that he died before this episode.

I'll give Superman credit for understanding the importance of public relations, which he didn't grasp a couple episodes ago. I don't think his plan was a terrible idea if he assumed that Batman wouldn't cooperate. The core League members would reassure the government and the public, Batman would investigate the incident, and the remaining League members would deal with any surprises.

Superman's plan doesn't look so good if he expected Batman to cooperate, particularly since he told Batman about the decision instead of allowing him to participate in the discussion.

Odd that you think that's how Supes is being portrayed, Hasbro. I think the general consensus thus far is that Supes is more a dick on JLU than in any other incarnation, and I don't think it'd be that far wrong.

As for the Superman dickery vs. Batman dickery debate... I think the reason Batman gets a pass (at least from me) is that he's always been brusque and curt, but he's also always had logic and deduction and justification behind some of his more notorious actions of dickitude, whereas Superman's dickery seems to stem more from shortsightedness and self-absorption (for example it was more important for him to get some info from the Huntress than to untie Jimmy).

"Panic in the Sky" is one of the few moments in recent episodes where I got the feeling that Superman had stopped to think things through, regarding the surrender. Of course, if he hadn't been such a dick all along, doing things like breaking into Cadmus and just in general acting like might makes right, he probably wouldn't have needed to do damage control like that because people would have been a little more willing to give the League the benefit of the doubt.

I'm also willing to give Batman a bit more of a pass on his attitude in "Panic in the Sky" because a) the League was being kind of presumptious in making a decision without his input, b) he is only a part-timer now and c) he really isn't to blame for the League's current PR problem, why should he put himself in a position where his identity could be compromised?

Vercingetorix

Robert Picardo does the voice of Amazo.

No I'm embracing the dickery, at least there's some personality there.

I'm in love with Huntress.

Exactly, when I think of Superman I think of someone who is fair, even, and level headed. He has the power of a god, but he doesn't think of himself as a god. It's the whole reason people trust and respect him. On JLU Superman is either a straight up asshole or ridiculously naive ...

It wouldn't bug me so much, but, for lots of kids (and older people too, I'd assume) this is probably the only version of Superman they know. Well, they might know asshat!Clark from Smallville too, but that doesn't help. So I find it rather ... upsetting ...that there are a bunch of people out there who'll probably never pick up a Superman comic because they think he's a naive, brain dead asshole who needs Batman to lead him around like he's on a leash.


Well, why should they ask for his input if he's only a part-timer (which is what he's always been on the show, some writers just seem to forget that from time to time). As for his identity, Cadmus already seems to know who he is anyway ... As far as I can remember the plan seemed to be that the 7 would turn themselves in and the rest of the League would do something useful for a change and find out what really happened with the giant death-ray.

As for the Leagues PR problem, one has to assume that the JLU got the money to build the weapon of mass destruction from somewhere ...

On another note: What is the status with the Watchtower? In the first episode it looked like they had a whole fleet (colony?) of them up there, now they seem to have only the one.

They should ask for his input if they want him to participate in a drastic measure to recover a mess they created.

Expecting him to go along, both because he's Batman and they know how he can be *and* he's just a part-timer, was silly of them.