samsnee
Jun 28, 2005 @ 7:35 am
I agree with episode scheduling. When they did show re-runs during the week, it always of the 1st season, which to me wasn't that strong. The narrative arcs were kind of boring, and it's always nice to see screen time for lesser heroes that would not get their own shows otherwise.
bigbadvoodoolou
Jun 28, 2005 @ 7:51 am
I found the first season of JL quite boring, except for the fanboy moments when they'd have an additional character appear for a team-up (or even better, the cameos, like seeing Deadshot in that first two-parter Aquaman episode). The three-part season finale with all the time-travelling was great, but that's because we saw Sgt. Rock and Easy Company, the Blackhawks, etc. Was that "A Savage Time"? Anyway, I ended up missing most of the second season, which I heard was a lot better. I got back on board for JLU, and except for a few episodes I haven't cared for (especially the one where Morgan LeFay turned them into little kids), I've been loving it since the inception. But I'll always choose DC's second- and third-string superheroes over the played-out "Big Seven."
illogic
Jun 28, 2005 @ 10:02 am
A Savage Time never really did it for me, since it never felt like anyone was in any real danger, physicall, emotionally or otherwise. Three-parter or not, everything was going to be just fine at the end of the show.
Things got better after Twilight, when the episodes started having emotional consequences for the big 7. By the time Starcrossed rolled around, I actually wondered for a second if they might kill off Batman to retire the character and free him up for other incarnations, or have him lost and presumed dead or something. Silly me.
TimeMonkey
Jun 28, 2005 @ 10:07 am
But, but, that means no Mark Hamill!
It's not like we're getting any of him now. This would just be letting the other neglected characters that aren't being showed now, like Star Saphire (I think that's what she's called).
bigbadvoodoolou
Jun 28, 2005 @ 11:22 am
I still haven't seen "Starcrossed," and I'm not sure if I've seen "Twilight" or not.
samsnee
Jun 28, 2005 @ 12:10 pm
Starcrossed was good. What was the one with Wonder Woman and her mother? That was lame. I think that was the only real storyline where she was the main focus.
cambridgeguy
Jun 28, 2005 @ 1:08 pm
Twilight is really good, though it helps to have seen Legacy, the finale to STAS. Actually, watching Legacy helps fill in the backstory to the current arc on JLU. It's a shame the CN refuses to air any of the old DCAU series: does it really cost them that much money to spend a couple of hours each week to show them instead of some anime series?
Damaris56
Jun 28, 2005 @ 1:23 pm
Would it kill Warner Bros. to release S1 & S2 of Justice League in DVD box sets? What's the holdup? They know the fans are waiting for them. I refuse to buy any more single episodes because it's just a giant ripoff. Sooner or later they'll release them and I refuse to buy duplicates of everything. And while we're waiting, Cartoon Network needs to get on the ball and show repeats of S1 & 2. If these new episodes are going to reference plot points from those seasons, people need to be able to watch them.
samsnee
Jun 28, 2005 @ 1:29 pm
I never really understood the whole anime block either. Is it really that popular?
bigbadvoodoolou
Jun 28, 2005 @ 1:32 pm
I don't think anything is more popular than ZATCH BELL, because that's all they seem to advertise when JLU is on.
MereyGB
Jun 28, 2005 @ 1:57 pm
I also highly recommend Starcrossed. Actually, those were the episodes/mini series that got me into the series. For whatever reason I thought JL was just an action driven cartoon, so I avoided it until this season. But as Starcrossed proves, it's an extremely intricately plotted and character driven show...with nifty fight scenes - you know, kind of like Alias but far less convoluted. Anyway, I rented Starcrossed from Netflix but I guessing it'd be pretty easy to get a video stores.
A character question about Epilogue:
Was Saphire one of the Batman Beyond JLUers? You know, that woman in the white costume. If not, who was she?
bigbadvoodoolou
Jun 28, 2005 @ 2:10 pm
Star Sapphire is an old Green Lantern villainess who has black hair and wears a pink and purple costume. She was in the Injustice League that Luthor put together in earlier seasons, but I have no idea if she was ever on Batman Beyond or not.
MereyGB
Jun 28, 2005 @ 2:38 pm
Oh, that's right, thanks. I think I'm getting her confused with one of the Teen Titan characters...Star Fire??? maybe. Mind you, all I know of the Teen Titans is from the animated show and even then I think I've only seen one ep. in total.
MrX
Jun 28, 2005 @ 7:36 pm
Starcrossed was good. What was the one with Wonder Woman and her mother? That was lame. I think that was the only real storyline where she was the main focus.
From the first two seasons? That was "Paradise Lost". She was also pretty much the center of "Maid of Honor" with Vandal Savage. I think that that's the one where she figures out that Batman is Bruce Wayne. And there was "Fury" with the evil Amazon.
elle
Jun 28, 2005 @ 10:13 pm
Star Sapphire is an old Green Lantern villainess who has black hair and wears a pink and purple costume. She was in the Injustice League that Luthor put together in earlier seasons ...
Wasn't there a line in the Injustice League episode that none of the villains would be working together, because of their 'look out for no. 1' attitude, if it wasn't for Luthor and his money?
It's not like we're getting any of him (Mark Hamill) now. This would just be letting the other neglected characters that aren't being showed now, like Star Saphire (I think that's what she's called).
Star Sapphire -- Olivia D'Abo, another great VA!
Yes, I'd like to see SS again (much more than Morgaine Le Fay the other D'Abo villainess). I'd just like to have MH do a voice of somebody, maybe a new villain.
I'm just happy that they finally have Flash back in action. I guess I can't be too demanding lest he "goes fishing" again. (where was he supposed to be anyway - just around?)
Harrison Fjord
Jun 28, 2005 @ 10:38 pm
(where was he supposed to be anyway - just around?)
I believe there was a throwaway line about him leading other special teams while the show has been focusing on the ones we've seen. Guess not *all* the adventures are TV worthy.
TimeMonkey
Jun 28, 2005 @ 10:56 pm
I'm still kind of annoyed that he didn't show up when they were all turned into kids. He would have ended up in the same place as the others yet there's not even a mention of him. Having kiddy Flash would have made the episode so much better and far less stupid.
cambridgeguy
Jun 29, 2005 @ 7:21 am
I'm still kind of annoyed that he didn't show up when they were all turned into kids.
To be fair, in my opinion the point of that episode was to see a contrast between the adult and child personalities: adult Flash is usually immature enough as it is. I mean that in a good way, of course.
I'm just happy that they finally have Flash back in action. I guess I can't be too demanding lest he "goes fishing" again. (where was he supposed to be anyway - just around?)
He's swapped places with GL. Poor John has been reduced to worrying about his girlfriends and being denied dialogue during roundtable scenes. I guess he's paying the price for being featured so heavily in the previous season. Come to think of it Batman has been used pretty lightly so far this season, although I'm positive that will change in the upcoming episodes. He's shown kicking ass in the previews, after all.
Schroeder
Jul 1, 2005 @ 10:15 pm
I just watched the most recent one in America, which had The Question going nuts about something Superman might have done to President Luthor... and I have a few questions.
It seemed like we started this episode right in the middle of a storyline:
What episode was it, what season was it, and what happened in which Kara (Supergirl) was taken to StarLabs, and what did Superman do that caused Dr. Hamilton to think twice about him?
What episode was it, what season was it, and what happened in which the Justice Lords appeared? What was their deal?
I know that in the comics, Luthor becomes president. But that has not happened in JLU, right?
Also in this episode, who was the villian at the beginning? I didn't recognize him.
When The Question goes to the Watch Tower to talk to Superman, just why is he so damn certain that what he saw in the computer is going to happen?
Also, I noticed Steele helping to fix a space ship? Who was the other person standing next to him? Or was it a her? I mean, is Steele John Henry Irons or his neice? Also, as The Question and Superman were walking into an elevator(?) there was a super hero who liked straight out of Sir Gallahad. Who is he?
A few weeks ago (as neither I nor the boyfriend can remember to record JL when it's on) I saw an episode in which four super villains, including my old friend the Clock King, steal something from the Watch Tower. What was it, and did they use it?
I hope this isn't too much to ask, but I haven't been keeping up with the past few weeks, and I'm worried that we've finally gotten into non-stand alone episodes and I have no idea what's going on.
Thanks!
Harrison Fjord
Jul 1, 2005 @ 10:27 pm
It seemed like we started this episode right in the middle of a storyline
We did. This has been building for a while now.
What episode was it, what season was it, and what happened in which the Justice Lords appeared? What was their deal?
It was the second season of JL. The Justice Lords are an alternate universe version of the League. Upon the death of the Flash they took it into their hands to bring peace to their dimension at almost any cost and became fascistic overlords.
I know that in the comics, Luthor becomes president. But that has not happened in JLU, right?
Not yet; he's running for president.
Also in this episode, who was the villian at the beginning? I didn't recognize him.
Just some random Apokolipsian as far as I know.
When The Question goes to the Watch Tower to talk to Superman, just why is he so damn certain that what he saw in the computer is going to happen?
Some things change from dimension to dimension, he says, but some things stay the same. Luthor is always Luthor.
I mean, is Steele John Henry Irons or his neice? Also, as The Question and Superman were walking into an elevator(?) there was a super hero who liked straight out of Sir Gallahad. Who is he?
At this point we have no reason to think it's the niece, so it's most likely JHI in the suit. I believe that was Shining Knight coming out of the elevator.
A few weeks ago (as neither I nor the boyfriend can remember to record JL when it's on) I saw an episode in which four super villains, including my old friend the Clock King, steal something from the Watch Tower. What was it, and did they use it?
It was a warsuit forged by Aries that got more powerful by feeding on the antagonistic energies of people fighting it or each other. So far, Cadmus has not used it.
Schroeder
Jul 1, 2005 @ 10:45 pm
Thanks!
It seemed like we started this episode right in the middle of a storyline
We did. This has been building for a while now.
So... care to give a recap on what's been going on? TVtome.com doesn't have good summaries, and we have seen nothing for a while now. I'm not sure what's going on. And between our airings and the Canadian airings that are spoiler tagged, I have no idea where in the show's continutity I am.
So... there was Steele and Shinning Knight, but who was the third person in that scene? Looked like a giant star was his mask, or something.
Who is Shinning Knight? What is his backstory?
So far, Cadmus has not used it.
Hmmm... I wonder what they need it for?
Hey, while I'm at it, when did Luthor start wearing his Kenner Super Powers Green Flight Suit thingy? I mean, what season did that show up?
Man, I'm behind. I used to watch this show religiously. Damn law school!
Harrison Fjord
Jul 1, 2005 @ 10:53 pm
I actually don't remember, but a giant star? Sounds like it might be Orion, adopted son of High Father, true son of Darkseid of Apokolips.
I know nothing about Shining Knight, and only know the name thanks to this board.
As for what's going on... I only started watching the series regularly myself (before two weeks ago I didn't have the joy of DVR that is now included with my Comcast service and kept forgetting to record it... TiFaux rules!!!!). But the gist of it is that the government is getting a little concerned at the League's "gestapo tactics" (wasn't that the term used in Kingdom Come?). Cadmus is a "black ops" program designed to implement measures to keep the League in check. Thus far, it's been doing so behind the scenes, having only recently come to the League's attention. The Question, naturally, is concerned about this "vast conspiracy" and wants to get to the bottom of it. Chances are he's right, and something more nefarious than a concerned government is orchestrating Cadmus.
That's what I've gleaned from discussion of previous episodes, but I don't have much in the way of specifics.
As for the fate of the warsuit, I don't know. I think maybe the "legitimate" part of Cadmus just didn't feel comfortable with the League possessing such a powerful weapon. The behind-the-scenes power may have other things in mind.
elle
Jul 1, 2005 @ 10:56 pm
It was a warsuit forged by Aries that got more powerful by feeding on the antagonistic energies of people fighting it or each other. So far, Cadmus has not used it.
Felix Faust stole it, took it to Hades where WW and Shayera defeated him and WW destroyed the Annihilator for good. (according to the recap)
TVtome.com doesn't have good summaries
(*grumble* will not get started on tvtome to tv.com rant! )
If you go to the JLU page at TV.com (formally TVTome.com), pick the episode you wish from the episode list. On the top of that page you will see a tab for "recap". That will give you a more detailed description of the episode than the small summary you see on the main page. Hope that helps!
Is the name Cadmus an acyronym? If not, it is an odd choice for a name. Here is the listing for Cadmus from Encyclopedia Mythica (www.pantheon.org). In case anyone was wondering about it, like I was.
Cadmus was the son of Agenor and the brother of Europa. He was the founder of the city of Thebes.
After Zeus kidnapped Europa, Agenor ordered her brothers -- Cadmus, Phoenix, and Cilix -- to search for her, instructing them not to return until they had found her. It was a hopeless quest, and all three brothers became exiles. Phoenix founded the country of Phoenicia, and Cilix established Cilicia.
Cadmus consulted the oracle at Delphi and was told to follow a cow that he would find near the oracle; where the cow lay down to rest, he should found a city. He followed the cow to the future site of Thebes. There he instructed his men to bring water so that he could offer a sacrifice to Athena; however, the men encountered a giant serpent which was sacred to Ares, and they were all killed. Cadmus came upon the carnage and gave battle, eventually slaying the serpent. A voice then spoke to him, prophesying that he himself would eventually become a serpent.
Cadmus was left with a site for a city, but no one to help build it. Athene intervened, telling him to sow the serpent's teeth in the earth. He did so, and armed men sprang up from the teeth. They fought one another until only five were left; these five became the ancestors of the noble Thebans. Cadmus then spent eight years in servitude to Ares, as a penalty for the killing of the serpent.
Afterwards, Cadmus married Harmonia, daughter of Ares and Aphrodite. The couple had four daughters (Ino, Semele, Autonoe, and Agave) and one son (Polydorus). Near the ends of their lives, Cadmus and Harmonia left Thebes and went to Illyria. There they were transformed into serpents, as the voice had foretold.
Schroeder
Jul 1, 2005 @ 10:57 pm
Well, you've helped a lot. Thank you.
Yeah, the guy with the giant star, who looks nothing like the Kenner Super Powers Orion toy that I had from my childhood, looked like he had a giant yellow/golden star for a facemask, and was standing next to Steele while Superman held the spaceship.
In the comics, Cadmus was mentioned in the most recent issue of the Teen Titans and Outsiders, and it sits beneath LexCorp Tower, so I gathered it was an evil thing, but didn't Cadmus also create Superboy back in '92 as a clone?
When in the comics did it become apparant that Cadmus was evil?
How many episodes are left before the finale of this season?
I hate feeling like I'm behind, which I am.
And I don't remember when Kara was injured. Was that in JL or was it in the initial run of Superman: TAS?
And for the record, hearing Dana Delany last night ROCKED! It only highlighted how much I miss Tim Daly as Superman and how this JL Superman is no match for the Original.
Hey, Elle, thanks! I wasn't trying to start a discussion about other boards; I was just saying TVtome.com doesn't have good recaps because it's the only site I know of that has them and that if anyone else has a better site for JL recaps, please let me know. I didn't even realize the names of the site had changed with its redesign. So, thanks.
ETA: Hey, you're right! There's more detailed summaries under the pathway you mentioned, Elle. Thanks!
Harrison Fjord
Jul 1, 2005 @ 11:02 pm
Cadmus has always been "gray", but I don't know when they became overtly evil. They did indeed create Kon-El/Connor Kent in the comics, and were also the group that took possession of Doomsday's corpse until the Cyborg hurled it off into space.
Cadmus is not an acronym. When they first appeared in the comics as the Cadmus Project, they were focused on genetic research, building a better Superman through genetics and what not. Hence, the name is a direct allusion to the story of Cadmus creating his army from the ground.
Zerowing
Jul 1, 2005 @ 11:45 pm
Another thing to keep in mind, Schroeder is the comics and cartoon continuity are not identical. In the cartoon, Steel is still John Henry Irons for example.
As for who Shining Knight is, go to that link below. Although I can't guarantee the cartoon version's origin is exactly the same as the comic version is.
The Shining Knight
elle
Jul 1, 2005 @ 11:47 pm
Thanks, Harrison Fjord, I figured the name wasn't randomly selected. I wonder if they thought at all of the ultimate fate of Cadmus or that his offspring all suffered tragic fates?
Oh, I didn't think you were, Schroeder! Sorry, shouldn't have expressed my gripe outloud. I'm glad that you found the recaps though!
Schroeder
Jul 1, 2005 @ 11:50 pm
Thanks, Zerowing. That was the big reason I was wondering who Steele was, because of the differences between the cartoons and the comics. I tell you, though, it would be a lot easier to understand what was going on sometimes if they were following each other.
Also, if the comics were being followed by the cartoon, I'd get my hunky hunky Kyle Rayner instead of What's His Name, Arsenal might show up and Nightwing would definitely be around. Oh, well. A man can dream, huh?
For example, I just learned today that after Infinite Crisis, the comics will jump forward a year and that DC will not be rebooting again, like it did in the 80s. And all of that was learned from unspoilered material here in this thread! Until today, I thought they were rebooting and picking up where they left off. I can't wait to see what happens. Does anyone know when exactly Infinite Crisis launches?
Harrison Fjord
Jul 1, 2005 @ 11:54 pm
I believe it's in full swing now, with series like The OMAC Project.
roosterboy
Jul 2, 2005 @ 12:59 am
Minis like The OMAC Project and Villains United are technically part of the "Prelude to Infinite Crisis". The actual IC series doesn't start for another, IIRC, four to five months.
Lantern7
Jul 2, 2005 @ 1:09 am
Don't forget The Rann/Thanagar War and Day of Vengeance. I recommend Villians United...Gail Simone doesn't do much wrong.
Thinking...would Batman break off from the JLA and assemble his own group of "outsider" heroes? Bats, Question, Huntress...throw in Metamorpho for fandom's sake, and I think we'd have something.
Harrison Fjord
Jul 2, 2005 @ 1:39 am
Given the solitary nature of Bats, I never understood the concept of "Batman and the Outsiders." Still, that line up would be a cool read.
mrow
Jul 2, 2005 @ 1:44 am
Heh, Shroeder, for a moment I thought you refered to Kyle Raynor as a funky monkey. My eyes must be going. Besides, everyone knows that the only funky monkey on this show is Gorilla Grodd.
Question, if it's been years since the Superman animated series, and when the superman animated series started it had been years since the Batman animated series, how old does that make Batgirl and Supergirl? Ok, I assume that Batgirl was, like, around 17 or so when she debuted, and if we assume 5 years between BtAS and StAS and 5 years between StAS and Justice league along with the time that's passed incontinuiety while Justice league has been on, shouldn't Batgirl at least be in her late 20's? Also, if we assume that Supergirl was in her late teens when she debuted and considering that it's got to be at least 5 years since then she's in her early 20's by now. So why are they still stuck with the girl moniker? Wonder Woman doesn't put up with that crap! Either they should upgrade themselves to Superwoman and Batwoman, or they should make up new names for themselves like Nightwing did.
roosterboy
Jul 2, 2005 @ 3:24 am
Don't forget The Rann/Thanagar War and Day of Vengeance. I recommend Villians United...Gail Simone doesn't do much wrong.
And
The Return of Donna Troy and 18 million crossovers. Ugh. I'm enjoying
OMAC and
Villains, but I'm getting quite sick of the buildup and the crossovers already. Geez, the most recent issue of
OMAC continues in three upcoming Superman titles and one issue of
Wonder Woman that comes out
after the next
OMAC issue that it's supposed to lead in to!
Given the solitary nature of Bats, I never understood the concept of "Batman and the Outsiders."
Yeah, but remember that that title first came out long before the "Batman is a psychotic asshole" portrayal became the standard version. He used to play with others much better than he does now.
jolly_roger
Jul 2, 2005 @ 9:32 am
who was the third person in that scene? Looked like a giant star was his mask, or something.
That would be
Aztek. After his own comic ended, he joined the JLA, discovered that one of the backers of the secret society that raised him was none other than Lex Luthor, was blinded, and died heroically fighting the rather bland intergalactic menace, Mageddon. (Yeah, yeah, Grant Morrison's a genius. Whatever. He's not my cup of tea, okay?)
Still kicking myself that I missed "Double Date" (TiFaux effed up the recording) especially now that I've seen Question and Huntress in this last ep. Combs and Acker were great choices for the roles. And what a fascinating, screwed-up relationship those two characters have!
MereyGB
Jul 2, 2005 @ 9:54 am
Question, if it's been years since the Superman animated series, and when the superman animated series started it had been years since the Batman animated series, how old does that make Batgirl and Supergirl?
I've heard the term "Peanuts time" thrown around a bit on the other boards. Apparently, in the DCAU, our heros don't really age unless specifically stated (i.e. Bruce in Batman Beyond is 50 years older). That being said, we've heard from Kara in "Fearful Symetry" that the events of "Legacy" - the S:TAS finale (which by the way, for whoever asked, was the ep. were Kara gets hurt and is taken to S.T.A.R Labs for treatment and where Superman has his little meltdown and frightens Prof. Hamilton, thus leading to Hamilton's distrust of Supes and his eventual joining/recruitment (against his will?) of Cadmus) were a few years ago. Also, in an upcoming ep.
Lois also says it's been a few years since "Legacy" - which still has me wondering why Lois doesn't know Supes identity since they're now romantically involved. Hmmm... So, as far as Kara's age goes. I'm assuming she's just an older teen now. I'm guessing she started as a 15/16 year old and is now 18/19. Which makes sense since she's now of legal age to join the JL (I'm assuming it's an adults only org.).
Schroeder
Jul 2, 2005 @ 11:56 am
Hey, thanks guys! That guy was Aztek, hmmm? What an interesting read!
As far as all the crossovers in the comics are concerned, yeah, I feel the same way. It's like "OK, DC, we get it: You've got a kick-ass behemouth storyline you're ready to launch that's been ready to launch for probably 10 years and you want EVERYONE involved that you can, but seriously, the comic-to-comic choices for stories is kinda ... weird. I mean, how are we supposed to follow individual storylines if we don't feel like picking up WW or Green Lantern?"
But enough frustration. I think Infinite Crisis is interesting.
DMike
Jul 2, 2005 @ 12:12 pm
Also in this episode, who was the villian at the beginning? I didn't recognize him.
That was Mantis, the 2nd most powerful Apokoliptian after Darkseid.
Harrison Fjord
Jul 2, 2005 @ 12:14 pm
Apokoliptian
I find this word immensely funny for some reason.
jolly_roger
Jul 2, 2005 @ 1:51 pm
Apokoliptian
I thought the correct term was "Apokolipudlian." (Kidding.)
the fresh maker
Jul 2, 2005 @ 4:02 pm
This is from way back, but:
That said, WHY THE HELL haven't they shown what happened to Dick Grayson? in BB: ROTJ Barbara tells Terry that he should look up Nightwing for some whacked out stories, indicating that Dick and Bruce had a huge falling out between JL and BB. Why has this not been shown?
Possibly because the rights for Dick Grayson are either tied up in Teen Titans or The Batman (I'm not sure if the Robin on TT is Dick or Tim).
Robin on TT is Dick Grayson. I can't remember where I read the interview, but TT and JLU share writers. When they were planning the first season of JLU, they were trying to come up with a JLU/TT crossover, but it was too much of a headache to make it work.
Looks like Cadmus, ::coughcough::, I mean the Air Force re-enlisted Capt. Atom because they were aware that the JLU was getting a little too close to their secrets. They needed someone to help defend them against the JLU.
And I can't believe nobody's mentioned Question's "Brobdingnagian proportions"! Kudos to the Lit Major on the staff for referencing Borges and now Swift. It's nice to see somebody is making the most out of an English degree. Maybe there's hope for the rest of us!
Schroeder
Jul 2, 2005 @ 6:59 pm
Oh, wow. Mantis? I can't believe it! I have that Kenner Super Powers toy of him. Only, his mask really made him look like an insect!
The TT Robin is Dick Grayson, both because of the episode where the miniture guy shows up and during a stupid Anime sequence, the name "Dick Grayson" is spelled out backwards on the screen", and in a future episode about Starfire being hurled into the future, where Nightwing shows up in that reality. But why they can't let us use him, I don't understand.
So... for those of us who aren't English majors... who was The Question refering to? Who's Swift? Johnathan Swift of Gulliver's Travels?
the fresh maker
Jul 2, 2005 @ 7:07 pm
the episode where the miniture guy shows up and during a stupid Anime sequence, the name "Dick Grayson" is spelled out backwards on the screen
Yup. The little guy was Robin from an alternate dimension. His real name "NosyarG KciD."
So... for those of us who aren't English majors... who was The Question refering to? Who's Swift? Johnathan Swift of Gulliver's Travels?
The Brobdingnagians in
Gulliver's Travels were these ridiculously large people, the exact opposite of the Liliputians.
elle
Jul 2, 2005 @ 7:41 pm
In the episode "The Balance", we finally find out why WW had not used any of her neat accessories like the lasso of truth. That made me wonder if the origin of her bracelets have been ever addressed? (iirc -- they were 'bracelets of submission', punishment for being on the wrong side of the Trojan War)
I recall from the 70s TV show that if her wrists were bound together that she became helpless. I don't remember if in that series the origins of the bracelets were mentioned either.
I sort of remember that sometime in the 80s there was a short series where Ares tried to discredit Diana by having Hermes steal her bracelets and send her into a beserker rage. Diana overcomes the rage and I'm not sure how she defeats Ares, but it seemed like Aphrodite was also somehow involved, on Diana's side.
(is there a question here?)
Are the bracelets now just for show, a symbol rather than a shackle, and for deflecting bullets or are they still her 'Achilles Heel' (or should I say Kryptonite?) ?
Curare
Jul 2, 2005 @ 8:34 pm
I really enjoyed tonight's ep. When does Batman come back? Why has the League submit to something like UN oversight? I could see they wanting to be under the jurisdication of just one gov but what about the UN. I like how ppl on this show act like ppl. For all the "super power" stuff there's a lot of normal and mundane behaviour.
shdwrlm
Jul 2, 2005 @ 8:39 pm
Now that "Flashpoint" has aired in the US, some questions that I posed previously:
1. Is that what Question's face really looks like, or was it just bruised from the torturing and whatnot?
2. Why do all masked characters end up being redheads?
3. Why are all redheads so damn hot?
Perfect Xero
Jul 2, 2005 @ 8:42 pm
Are the bracelets now just for show, a symbol rather than a shackle, and for deflecting bullets or are they still her 'Achilles Heel' (or should I say Kryptonite?) ?
Thankfully most of the cheap bondage porn element has been removed from Wonder Woman. The bracelets are simply a defensive weapon. Wonder Woman's are, IIRC, made from the shield of Zeus.
Also, you can pretty much disregard anything from the 70s TV show. The bondage porn, the secret identity, Wonder Woman's main power being the ability to jump kinda high, et cetera - were removed after Crisis (the first one, from the 80s, not the recent ones).
I like how ppl on this show act like ppl. For all the "super power" stuff there's a lot of normal and mundane behaviour.
Or, as I like to call it, "What if Justice League took place in the Marvel Universe?"
Zerowing
Jul 2, 2005 @ 9:03 pm
the fresh maker
The Brobdingnagians in Gulliver's Travels were these ridiculously large people, the exact opposite of the Liliputians.
Yes exactly. So when someone says something is of "Brobdingnagian proportions", they're saying it's something really big.
I wonder how many people were killed in that blast. I hope the producers are not going to cop-out and say no one was killed because even if the building was empty, there's no way in hell that a blast like that in the middle of a city isn't going to kill a substantial amount of people in the surrounding area. (I know Dwayne McDuffie wouldn't insult our intelligence like that)
My favorite scenes of the episode was the throwdown between Captain Atom and Superman, then the scene with Luthor talking to Waller while he was casually planing to blast Cadmus to hell, and the argument between all the Leaguers. (Of which Batman, Wonder Woman and Green Lantern were conspicuously absent)
And also, we have proof that the President is fully aware of what Cadmus is doing, and approved it. Not a good sign.
Superman made a logical point about needing to stop Cadmus, but Green Arrow and J'Onn made good points about not flying off the handle and stop Cadmus the legal way. The problem is, I don't know if the League has the luxury of time now. They are pretty much up against the wall now and Cadmus is about to launch their next strike.
This was a well-crafted episode. It really displays how a show about people running around in gaudy costumes can be quite intelligent and sophisticated.
Zerowing
Jul 2, 2005 @ 9:07 pm
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Is that what Question's face really looks like, or was it just bruised from the torturing and whatnot?
Yes his face looking like ground meat was from his torture.
Lantern7
Jul 2, 2005 @ 9:07 pm
Aieeeee...political intrigue. I mean, I like intelligence, but I'm more into guys in spandex beating the crap out of each other.
So...Luthor's on his own? Or was having a Cadmus facility blow'd up part of the plan? Poor townspeople...massive damage AND Gypsy saves people. Talk about insult to injury.
Ho. Lee. Crap. Gala...Gale...Power Girl and a shitload of Ultimen. When Superfriends Attack! Next week!